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6/1/2015 5:09:11 AM
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I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders becoming the democratic nomination for president, because he is honestly worried for the people of the US and the future of this country.
Though what he says is great, does anyone actually think that he has a shot at becoming the democratic nominee, or president in the end?
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6/1/2015 9:08:40 AM
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At 6/1/2015 5:09:11 AM, Lexus wrote:
I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders becoming the democratic nomination for president, because he is honestly worried for the people of the US and the future of this country.
Though what he says is great, does anyone actually think that he has a shot at becoming the democratic nominee, or president in the end?

I like Bernie, but no, I don't think he has a legitimate chance at the nomination.
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6/2/2015 3:49:08 AM
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At 6/1/2015 5:09:11 AM, Lexus wrote:
I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders becoming the democratic nomination for president, because he is honestly worried for the people of the US and the future of this country.
Though what he says is great, does anyone actually think that he has a shot at becoming the democratic nominee, or president in the end?

If the media covers him more instead of focusing on Hillary, then yeah. I don't support him though because he's a fan of big government, and spending loads of money on education has already failed miserably.

I'm also very skeptical of raising the minimum wage. Costs would rise and finding jobs would be more difficult since businesses would have to cut corners to give workers their wages.
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6/2/2015 8:33:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/1/2015 5:09:11 AM, Lexus wrote:
I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders becoming the democratic nomination for president, because he is honestly worried for the people of the US and the future of this country.
Though what he says is great, does anyone actually think that he has a shot at becoming the democratic nominee, or president in the end?

He is a democratic socialist who would love to have a government and regulation like Sweden. Not a chance in this country. He is doing what the Paul's and libertarian party is trying to do, squeeze into the Republican Party, only obviously the democratic socialists squeeze into the Democratic Party.

It really is a third party trying to get in by creating a following under the main party since the two parties have a stranglehold on politics. We will see over time. I recognize the strategy as it is the only viable means to get traction.
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6/2/2015 1:38:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/1/2015 5:09:11 AM, Lexus wrote:
I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders becoming the democratic nomination for president, because he is honestly worried for the people of the US and the future of this country.
Though what he says is great, does anyone actually think that he has a shot at becoming the democratic nominee, or president in the end?

He talks a good game and people like him (I don't), so he may have a chance, but he isn't as concerned as you might think, and I doubt he is concerned much more than the average politician.
I remember when he did not defend Republicans against a charge by a caller (on a talk show) that accused the GOP of being racist, which is why they required the USPS's pre-funding of retirement accounts. IIRC, he just said "I haven't heard that before" or some such dismissal. If he cared about the country's direction, he would have confronted the caller and dispelled the charge.
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6/2/2015 1:54:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 1:38:34 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 6/1/2015 5:09:11 AM, Lexus wrote:
I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders becoming the democratic nomination for president, because he is honestly worried for the people of the US and the future of this country.
Though what he says is great, does anyone actually think that he has a shot at becoming the democratic nominee, or president in the end?

He talks a good game and people like him (I don't), so he may have a chance, but he isn't as concerned as you might think, and I doubt he is concerned much more than the average politician.
I remember when he did not defend Republicans against a charge by a caller (on a talk show) that accused the GOP of being racist, which is why they required the USPS's pre-funding of retirement accounts. IIRC, he just said "I haven't heard that before" or some such dismissal. If he cared about the country's direction, he would have confronted the caller and dispelled the charge.

I think that he actually is concerned for the well being of the country. He always talks about how the billionaire class are able to buy elections and how he wants a president elected by the people to serve the people.
I think that he is the only current politician to not change their views depending on where their campaigns' finance is coming from.
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6/2/2015 2:46:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 1:54:41 PM, Lexus wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:38:34 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 6/1/2015 5:09:11 AM, Lexus wrote:
I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders becoming the democratic nomination for president, because he is honestly worried for the people of the US and the future of this country.
Though what he says is great, does anyone actually think that he has a shot at becoming the democratic nominee, or president in the end?

He talks a good game and people like him (I don't), so he may have a chance, but he isn't as concerned as you might think, and I doubt he is concerned much more than the average politician.
I remember when he did not defend Republicans against a charge by a caller (on a talk show) that accused the GOP of being racist, which is why they required the USPS's pre-funding of retirement accounts. IIRC, he just said "I haven't heard that before" or some such dismissal. If he cared about the country's direction, he would have confronted the caller and dispelled the charge.

I think that he actually is concerned for the well being of the country.
Again, aren't most politicians' motives pure?
Do you think politicians wake up and say "let's destroy America"? I don't.
For example, some believe that if more people had more guns in more places, the general public would be more safe. Others belief that less guns are needed to ensure safety. While these are mutually exclusive views, can they both not be genuinely believed as the best course of action by the viewholder?

He always talks about how the billionaire class are able to buy elections and how he wants a president elected by the people to serve the people.
Interesting, since the President doesn't pass legislation.
And, I don't believe they buy elections - they fund those that have similar interests, and money does not buy votes.

I think that he is the only current politician to not change their views depending on where their campaigns' finance is coming from.
This assumes that he has different people financing him, which would show people no longer support him (while other newcomers do). Or, he just happens to have the same donors every year.

Or, perhaps it is that he is a stubborn fool and doesn't change his opinion on anything. Didn't we have someone like that not too long ago?

It's easy to spin things that have no basis in being praiseworthy.
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6/2/2015 2:54:56 PM
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Nope. The President's either gonna be Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush, or Rand Paul.
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6/2/2015 3:35:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 2:54:56 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Nope. The President's either gonna be Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush, or Rand Paul.

People will only vote for Hillary because she's a woman :(
The average person doesn't care for politics much, but radfems are more in society than ever. Some go so far as to say that if you don't vote for her you're making the patriarchy bigger
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6/2/2015 3:37:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 2:46:45 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:54:41 PM, Lexus wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:38:34 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 6/1/2015 5:09:11 AM, Lexus wrote:
I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders becoming the democratic nomination for president, because he is honestly worried for the people of the US and the future of this country.
Though what he says is great, does anyone actually think that he has a shot at becoming the democratic nominee, or president in the end?

He talks a good game and people like him (I don't), so he may have a chance, but he isn't as concerned as you might think, and I doubt he is concerned much more than the average politician.
I remember when he did not defend Republicans against a charge by a caller (on a talk show) that accused the GOP of being racist, which is why they required the USPS's pre-funding of retirement accounts. IIRC, he just said "I haven't heard that before" or some such dismissal. If he cared about the country's direction, he would have confronted the caller and dispelled the charge.

I think that he actually is concerned for the well being of the country.
Again, aren't most politicians' motives pure?
Do you think politicians wake up and say "let's destroy America"? I don't.
For example, some believe that if more people had more guns in more places, the general public would be more safe. Others belief that less guns are needed to ensure safety. While these are mutually exclusive views, can they both not be genuinely believed as the best course of action by the viewholder?

He always talks about how the billionaire class are able to buy elections and how he wants a president elected by the people to serve the people.
Interesting, since the President doesn't pass legislation.
And, I don't believe they buy elections - they fund those that have similar interests, and money does not buy votes.

I think that he is the only current politician to not change their views depending on where their campaigns' finance is coming from.
This assumes that he has different people financing him, which would show people no longer support him (while other newcomers do). Or, he just happens to have the same donors every year.

Or, perhaps it is that he is a stubborn fool and doesn't change his opinion on anything. Didn't we have someone like that not too long ago?

It's easy to spin things that have no basis in being praiseworthy.

Very valid points, you changed some of my views about if Bernie is all that he is chalked up to be.
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6/2/2015 3:46:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 3:37:45 PM, Lexus wrote:

Very valid points, you changed some of my views about if Bernie is all that he is chalked up to be.

LOL, I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.
However, I do believe Bernie is all he is chalked up to be: a politician, and one that I do believe is more genuine and transparent in his motives/views. It is refreshing to see, even if I don't like him. (again, I don't know much about the guy except, as he is states away and talk radio is, well, talk radio)
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6/2/2015 3:52:29 PM
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At 6/2/2015 3:46:07 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:37:45 PM, Lexus wrote:

Very valid points, you changed some of my views about if Bernie is all that he is chalked up to be.

LOL, I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.
However, I do believe Bernie is all he is chalked up to be: a politician, and one that I do believe is more genuine and transparent in his motives/views. It is refreshing to see, even if I don't like him. (again, I don't know much about the guy except, as he is states away and talk radio is, well, talk radio)

Not sarcasm.
What I meant that he isn't all he was chalked up to be; when I am browsing the internet people picture him as some sort of god or something, that his ideas and his intentions and his positions are absolute and everything.
I still think he should be president but some of the glorification that he is receiving is not necessarily warranted.

http://www.ontheissues.org... for some information about him if you're looking into it.
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6/2/2015 3:57:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 3:52:29 PM, Lexus wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:46:07 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:37:45 PM, Lexus wrote:

Very valid points, you changed some of my views about if Bernie is all that he is chalked up to be.

LOL, I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.
However, I do believe Bernie is all he is chalked up to be: a politician, and one that I do believe is more genuine and transparent in his motives/views. It is refreshing to see, even if I don't like him. (again, I don't know much about the guy except, as he is states away and talk radio is, well, talk radio)

Not sarcasm.
What I meant that he isn't all he was chalked up to be; when I am browsing the internet people picture him as some sort of god or something, that his ideas and his intentions and his positions are absolute and everything.
I still think he should be president but some of the glorification that he is receiving is not necessarily warranted.
Truth be told, rarely is the praise deserved of politicians, and neither is the hatred. Party politics make it so easy to label and vilify/idolize, all without much thought on the matter.
It's quite sad, actually. And, what makes it even harder, is that so-called news organizations obfuscate the truth as well. Learn to speak doublespeak, it is the voter's best weapon, and a lost art on the voting populace.

http://www.ontheissues.org... for some information about him if you're looking into it.

I'll probably check it out at some point. Thanks.
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6/2/2015 6:38:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 2:54:56 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Nope. The President's either gonna be Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush, or Rand Paul.

Marco Rubio has a good chance as well. I mean he is a charismatic speaker and he is a fresh face for the American people.
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6/2/2015 6:41:28 PM
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At 6/2/2015 3:49:08 AM, birdlandmemories wrote:
At 6/1/2015 5:09:11 AM, Lexus wrote:
I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders becoming the democratic nomination for president, because he is honestly worried for the people of the US and the future of this country.
Though what he says is great, does anyone actually think that he has a shot at becoming the democratic nominee, or president in the end?

If the media covers him more instead of focusing on Hillary, then yeah. I don't support him though because he's a fan of big government, and spending loads of money on education has already failed miserably.

Don't you think we need to make higher education affordable for all families? Shouldn't we increase federal student aid such as Pell Grants and the size of loans, as well as support student debt reform?

And how could you oppose investing in basic K12 education? We need to make America poised to lead the 21st century economy for decades to come, and pouring billions in our education is both widely supported and will help our kids learn.

I'm also very skeptical of raising the minimum wage. Costs would rise and finding jobs would be more difficult since businesses would have to cut corners to give workers their wages.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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6/2/2015 6:54:15 PM
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At 6/2/2015 6:41:28 PM, Contra wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:49:08 AM, birdlandmemories wrote:
At 6/1/2015 5:09:11 AM, Lexus wrote:
I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders becoming the democratic nomination for president, because he is honestly worried for the people of the US and the future of this country.
Though what he says is great, does anyone actually think that he has a shot at becoming the democratic nominee, or president in the end?

If the media covers him more instead of focusing on Hillary, then yeah. I don't support him though because he's a fan of big government, and spending loads of money on education has already failed miserably.

Don't you think we need to make higher education affordable for all families? Shouldn't we increase federal student aid such as Pell Grants and the size of loans, as well as support student debt reform?

And how could you oppose investing in basic K12 education? We need to make America poised to lead the 21st century economy for decades to come, and pouring billions in our education is both widely supported and will help our kids learn.

Spending more money on kids who aren't even interested in school won't work. As a freshman in high school I see it every day. Students are no longer paying attention in the classroom and are instead on their phones or gossiping to other students. How is it possible to help our kids learn if they aren't interested in the first place? We're already behind numerous other countries and increased spending on education will do absolutely nothing.

I'm also very skeptical of raising the minimum wage. Costs would rise and finding jobs would be more difficult since businesses would have to cut corners to give workers their wages.
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6/2/2015 9:48:27 PM
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At 6/2/2015 2:54:56 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Nope. The President's either gonna be Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush, or Rand Paul.

Marco Rubio and Scott Walker have a better chance than Rand, lol. Walker is probably getting the Koch brothers and Rubio has a billionare in Florida who pledged $10 million and possibly Adelson, who spent$100 million last time. Rand is not getting the funding. can he win? sure. But his chances are less than Walker, Rubio, or Bush.
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6/2/2015 9:49:20 PM
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At 6/2/2015 6:41:28 PM, Contra wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:49:08 AM, birdlandmemories wrote:
At 6/1/2015 5:09:11 AM, Lexus wrote:
I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders becoming the democratic nomination for president, because he is honestly worried for the people of the US and the future of this country.
Though what he says is great, does anyone actually think that he has a shot at becoming the democratic nominee, or president in the end?

If the media covers him more instead of focusing on Hillary, then yeah. I don't support him though because he's a fan of big government, and spending loads of money on education has already failed miserably.

Don't you think we need to make higher education affordable for all families? Shouldn't we increase federal student aid such as Pell Grants and the size of loans, as well as support student debt reform?

And how could you oppose investing in basic K12 education? We need to make America poised to lead the 21st century economy for decades to come, and pouring billions in our education is both widely supported and will help our kids learn.

Did you become liberal again?


I'm also very skeptical of raising the minimum wage. Costs would rise and finding jobs would be more difficult since businesses would have to cut corners to give workers their wages.
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6/3/2015 1:19:55 PM
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At 6/2/2015 9:49:20 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 6/2/2015 6:41:28 PM, Contra wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:49:08 AM, birdlandmemories wrote:
At 6/1/2015 5:09:11 AM, Lexus wrote:
I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders becoming the democratic nomination for president, because he is honestly worried for the people of the US and the future of this country.
Though what he says is great, does anyone actually think that he has a shot at becoming the democratic nominee, or president in the end?

If the media covers him more instead of focusing on Hillary, then yeah. I don't support him though because he's a fan of big government, and spending loads of money on education has already failed miserably.

Don't you think we need to make higher education affordable for all families? Shouldn't we increase federal student aid such as Pell Grants and the size of loans, as well as support student debt reform?

And how could you oppose investing in basic K12 education? We need to make America poised to lead the 21st century economy for decades to come, and pouring billions in our education is both widely supported and will help our kids learn.

Did you become liberal again?

Haha no. It was sarcasm. We both agree that spending billions more on K12 education probably won't have any effect besides growing the deficit.


I'm also very skeptical of raising the minimum wage. Costs would rise and finding jobs would be more difficult since businesses would have to cut corners to give workers their wages.
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"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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6/3/2015 1:23:39 PM
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At 6/2/2015 6:54:15 PM, birdlandmemories wrote:
At 6/2/2015 6:41:28 PM, Contra wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:49:08 AM, birdlandmemories wrote:
At 6/1/2015 5:09:11 AM, Lexus wrote:
I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders becoming the democratic nomination for president, because he is honestly worried for the people of the US and the future of this country.
Though what he says is great, does anyone actually think that he has a shot at becoming the democratic nominee, or president in the end?

If the media covers him more instead of focusing on Hillary, then yeah. I don't support him though because he's a fan of big government, and spending loads of money on education has already failed miserably.

Don't you think we need to make higher education affordable for all families? Shouldn't we increase federal student aid such as Pell Grants and the size of loans, as well as support student debt reform?

And how could you oppose investing in basic K12 education? We need to make America poised to lead the 21st century economy for decades to come, and pouring billions in our education is both widely supported and will help our kids learn.

Spending more money on kids who aren't even interested in school won't work. As a freshman in high school I see it every day. Students are no longer paying attention in the classroom and are instead on their phones or gossiping to other students. How is it possible to help our kids learn if they aren't interested in the first place? We're already behind numerous other countries and increased spending on education will do absolutely nothing.

I agree, it was sarcasm on my part. We need to restructure our education system.

And if we take Hillary Clinton's likely approach, which is to expand financial aid and student loan availability, I just see postsecondary education becoming even more expensive... yet college kids by and large will be enamored even though this approach is just hastening our demise.

I'm also very skeptical of raising the minimum wage. Costs would rise and finding jobs would be more difficult since businesses would have to cut corners to give workers their wages.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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6/3/2015 7:25:42 PM
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At 6/1/2015 9:08:40 AM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/1/2015 5:09:11 AM, Lexus wrote:
I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders becoming the democratic nomination for president, because he is honestly worried for the people of the US and the future of this country.
Though what he says is great, does anyone actually think that he has a shot at becoming the democratic nominee, or president in the end?

I like Bernie, but no, I don't think he has a legitimate chance at the nomination.

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6/3/2015 9:16:45 PM
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6/3/2015 11:24:11 PM
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6/3/2015 11:26:17 PM
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At 6/1/2015 5:09:11 AM, Lexus wrote:
I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders becoming the democratic nomination for president, because he is honestly worried for the people of the US and the future of this country.
Though what he says is great, does anyone actually think that he has a shot at becoming the democratic nominee, or president in the end?

No, Meet what I think is worse than Kim-jong un, Hillary clinton, People won`t care that she got personnally involvedd in *tw* scandals, apperently being a female is enough to win.
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6/3/2015 11:26:50 PM
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At 6/1/2015 5:09:11 AM, Lexus wrote:
I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders becoming the democratic nomination for president, because he is honestly worried for the people of the US and the future of this country.
Though what he says is great, does anyone actually think that he has a shot at becoming the democratic nominee, or president in the end?

Bernie also faces a ineffecient funding system, despite it being good will.
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6/3/2015 11:30:00 PM
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At 6/3/2015 11:26:17 PM, greatkitteh wrote:
At 6/1/2015 5:09:11 AM, Lexus wrote:
I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders becoming the democratic nomination for president, because he is honestly worried for the people of the US and the future of this country.
Though what he says is great, does anyone actually think that he has a shot at becoming the democratic nominee, or president in the end?

No, Meet what I think is worse than Kim-jong un, Hillary clinton, People won`t care that she got personnally involvedd in *tw* scandals, apperently being a female is enough to win.

So a scandal is enough to warrant likening her to a dictator that allows millions of people to suffer? lol.
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6/3/2015 11:33:38 PM
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At 6/3/2015 11:30:00 PM, Lexus wrote:
At 6/3/2015 11:26:17 PM, greatkitteh wrote:
At 6/1/2015 5:09:11 AM, Lexus wrote:
I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders becoming the democratic nomination for president, because he is honestly worried for the people of the US and the future of this country.
Though what he says is great, does anyone actually think that he has a shot at becoming the democratic nominee, or president in the end?

No, Meet what I think is worse than Kim-jong un, Hillary clinton, People won`t care that she got personnally involvedd in *tw* scandals, apperently being a female is enough to win.

So a scandal is enough to warrant likening her to a dictator that allows millions of people to suffer? lol.

At least Kim Jong Un Doesn`t tell people "I`m female, so votw for me or your a anti-feminist". The mere fact that a person who almost got Bill Clinton impeached, then wiped clean an email server, than running for one of the most important jobs in the USA, is unacceptable.