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8/10/2010 8:08:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
George W. Bush.

He was a warmonger, starting illegal wars and putting the US trillions of dollars into debt. Also, for fueling islamic extremism in the middle east due to the continuous occupation of middle eastern countries.
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8/10/2010 8:10:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:08:32 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
George W. Bush.

He was a warmonger, starting illegal wars and putting the US trillions of dollars into debt.

Many Presidents fit your description here.

Also, for fueling islamic extremism in the middle east due to the continuous occupation of middle eastern countries.

ok.
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8/10/2010 8:10:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Abraham Lincoln
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8/10/2010 8:11:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Abraham Lincoln. Then Franklin Roosevelt.

Abraham Lincoln: violation of electoral processes, free speech, free press... for instigating and waging a total war... for drafting relentlessly... etc.
FDR: economic failure, detention of Japanese families, for tripling the debt in relation to the GDP, for violating the constitution in many of his programs, etc.
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8/10/2010 8:12:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:10:14 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:08:32 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
George W. Bush.

He was a warmonger, starting illegal wars and putting the US trillions of dollars into debt.

Many Presidents fit your description here.

Once you adjust for inflation, yes.
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8/10/2010 8:13:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:11:37 PM, wjmelements wrote:
FDR: economic failure, detention of Japanese families, for tripling the debt in relation to the GDP, for violating the constitution in many of his programs, etc.

You forgot getting the US into World War II unnecessarily.
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8/10/2010 8:13:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:12:25 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:10:14 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:08:32 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
George W. Bush.

He was a warmonger, starting illegal wars and putting the US trillions of dollars into debt.

Many Presidents fit your description here.

Once you adjust for inflation, yes.

Yeah. Your right.
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8/10/2010 8:14:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:11:59 PM, comoncents wrote:
Who was better,
Reagan or Truman?
Truman had a surplus and didn't wage a war on drugs.
Woodrow Wilson or George H.W. Bush?
H.W. didn't warmonger, enact a draft, or pass an Espionage Act.
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8/10/2010 8:14:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:13:07 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:11:37 PM, wjmelements wrote:
FDR: economic failure, detention of Japanese families, for tripling the debt in relation to the GDP, for violating the constitution in many of his programs, etc.
You forgot getting the US into World War II unnecessarily.
With Germany perhaps. The case of the Japanese is more shady.
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8/10/2010 8:15:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
@wjmelements

You seem to be rooting deeper into libertarianism every month.

Funny how you have gotten more confident in libertarianism over the last year.
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8/10/2010 8:15:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:11:37 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Abraham Lincoln. Then Franklin Roosevelt.

Abraham Lincoln: violation of electoral processes, free speech, free press... for instigating and waging a total war... for drafting relentlessly... etc.
FDR: economic failure, detention of Japanese families, for tripling the debt in relation to the GDP, for violating the constitution in many of his programs, etc.

I agree with you one Lincoln, but for different reasons. But I'm not sure about FDR. What violation of the constitution are you referring to?

I would have to say Obama. Same reasons as Lincoln.

Did FDR do anything without the consent of Congress? Anything of real importance?
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8/10/2010 8:16:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:15:55 PM, comoncents wrote:
@wjmelements


You seem to be rooting deeper into libertarianism every month.

Funny how you have gotten more confident in libertarianism over the last year.

wjm has been anti-Lincoln and anti-FDR for as long as I can remember.
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8/10/2010 8:17:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:14:00 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:11:59 PM, comoncents wrote:
Who was better,
Reagan or Truman?
Truman had a surplus and didn't wage a war on drugs.

Trade was big then.
We had as much going out as we had coming in, very important.

I think it was Carter who started messing it up. I think?

Woodrow Wilson or George H.W. Bush?
H.W. didn't warmonger, enact a draft, or pass an Espionage Act.

Yeah.
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8/10/2010 8:18:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:15:59 PM, jharry wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:11:37 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Abraham Lincoln. Then Franklin Roosevelt.

Abraham Lincoln: violation of electoral processes, free speech, free press... for instigating and waging a total war... for drafting relentlessly... etc.
FDR: economic failure, detention of Japanese families, for tripling the debt in relation to the GDP, for violating the constitution in many of his programs, etc.

I agree with you one Lincoln, but for different reasons. But I'm not sure about FDR. What violation of the constitution are you referring to?

National Recovery Administration in 1933.
Agricultural Adjustment Act in 1933.
National Labour Relations Board in 1935.
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8/10/2010 8:19:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:18:13 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:15:59 PM, jharry wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:11:37 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Abraham Lincoln. Then Franklin Roosevelt.

Abraham Lincoln: violation of electoral processes, free speech, free press... for instigating and waging a total war... for drafting relentlessly... etc.
FDR: economic failure, detention of Japanese families, for tripling the debt in relation to the GDP, for violating the constitution in many of his programs, etc.

I agree with you one Lincoln, but for different reasons. But I'm not sure about FDR. What violation of the constitution are you referring to?

National Recovery Administration in 1933.
Agricultural Adjustment Act in 1933.
National Labour Relations Board in 1935.

The list definitely goes on, but that was the extent of the research I did about a year ago.
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8/10/2010 8:20:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:16:22 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:15:55 PM, comoncents wrote:
@wjmelements


You seem to be rooting deeper into libertarianism every month.

Funny how you have gotten more confident in libertarianism over the last year.

wjm has been anti-Lincoln and anti-FDR for as long as I can remember.

I know but I feel his strong disgust unlike a year ago.
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8/10/2010 8:21:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:18:13 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:15:59 PM, jharry wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:11:37 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Abraham Lincoln. Then Franklin Roosevelt.

Abraham Lincoln: violation of electoral processes, free speech, free press... for instigating and waging a total war... for drafting relentlessly... etc.
FDR: economic failure, detention of Japanese families, for tripling the debt in relation to the GDP, for violating the constitution in many of his programs, etc.

I agree with you one Lincoln, but for different reasons. But I'm not sure about FDR. What violation of the constitution are you referring to?

National Recovery Administration in 1933.
Agricultural Adjustment Act in 1933.
National Labour Relations Board in 1935.

Not sure about all that. I know the TVA in my part of the world helped and still drives many towns and communities around here. Seems like a good idea to me. I know it helped my family, years ago.
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8/10/2010 8:22:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:20:00 PM, comoncents wrote:
I know but I feel his strong disgust unlike a year ago.
I re-analyzed Fort Sumter and discovered that the Yankees were holding a military base in enemy territory.
We learned in history that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor several hours before it happened.
This probably made what there already was worse.
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8/10/2010 8:22:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:19:13 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:18:13 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:15:59 PM, jharry wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:11:37 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Abraham Lincoln. Then Franklin Roosevelt.

Abraham Lincoln: violation of electoral processes, free speech, free press... for instigating and waging a total war... for drafting relentlessly... etc.
FDR: economic failure, detention of Japanese families, for tripling the debt in relation to the GDP, for violating the constitution in many of his programs, etc.

I agree with you one Lincoln, but for different reasons. But I'm not sure about FDR. What violation of the constitution are you referring to?

National Recovery Administration in 1933.
Agricultural Adjustment Act in 1933.
National Labour Relations Board in 1935.

The list definitely goes on, but that was the extent of the research I did about a year ago.

Try the Politically Incorrect Guide to the Great Depression and the New Deal.
It is odd when one's capacity for compassion is measured not in what he is willing to do by his own time, effort, and property, but what he will force others to do with their own property instead.
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8/10/2010 8:24:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:22:20 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:20:00 PM, comoncents wrote:
I know but I feel his strong disgust unlike a year ago.
I re-analyzed Fort Sumter and discovered that the Yankees were holding a military base in enemy territory.
We learned in history that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor several hours before it happened.
This probably made what there already was worse.

He didn't just know, he wanted it. He was boycotting the Japanese and didn't accept any attempts at negotiations.
It is odd when one's capacity for compassion is measured not in what he is willing to do by his own time, effort, and property, but what he will force others to do with their own property instead.
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8/10/2010 8:25:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:13:07 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:11:37 PM, wjmelements wrote:
FDR: economic failure, detention of Japanese families, for tripling the debt in relation to the GDP, for violating the constitution in many of his programs, etc.

You forgot getting the US into World War II unnecessarily.

Wait, what mongeese? How exactly could have the US avoided WWII. Even if you go COMPLETELY isolationist, not even sending supplies to the Allies, Hitler and the Axis powers would have attaked the US after an easy take over of Britain any way
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8/10/2010 8:25:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:21:31 PM, jharry wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:18:13 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:15:59 PM, jharry wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:11:37 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Abraham Lincoln. Then Franklin Roosevelt.

Abraham Lincoln: violation of electoral processes, free speech, free press... for instigating and waging a total war... for drafting relentlessly... etc.
FDR: economic failure, detention of Japanese families, for tripling the debt in relation to the GDP, for violating the constitution in many of his programs, etc.

I agree with you one Lincoln, but for different reasons. But I'm not sure about FDR. What violation of the constitution are you referring to?

National Recovery Administration in 1933.
Agricultural Adjustment Act in 1933.
National Labour Relations Board in 1935.

Not sure about all that. I know the TVA in my part of the world helped and still drives many towns and communities around here. Seems like a good idea to me. I know it helped my family, years ago.

The Tennessee Valley Authority Act of 1933 was separate from the three things I listed above. Basically, the government took over several private companies and formed a monopoly in the area, and drove the remaining companies out of business.
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8/10/2010 8:26:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:25:21 PM, SportsGuru wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:13:07 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:11:37 PM, wjmelements wrote:
FDR: economic failure, detention of Japanese families, for tripling the debt in relation to the GDP, for violating the constitution in many of his programs, etc.

You forgot getting the US into World War II unnecessarily.

Wait, what mongeese? How exactly could have the US avoided WWII. Even if you go COMPLETELY isolationist, not even sending supplies to the Allies, Hitler and the Axis powers would have attaked the US after an easy take over of Britain any way

Bump. For most reason libertarians/non-interventionists are opposed to US involvement in WWII. They never give good reasons. I agree with SportsG.
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8/10/2010 8:28:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:26:46 PM, Nags wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:25:21 PM, SportsGuru wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:13:07 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 8/10/2010 8:11:37 PM, wjmelements wrote:
FDR: economic failure, detention of Japanese families, for tripling the debt in relation to the GDP, for violating the constitution in many of his programs, etc.

You forgot getting the US into World War II unnecessarily.

Wait, what mongeese? How exactly could have the US avoided WWII. Even if you go COMPLETELY isolationist, not even sending supplies to the Allies, Hitler and the Axis powers would have attaked the US after an easy take over of Britain any way

Bump. For most reason libertarians/non-interventionists are opposed to US involvement in WWII. They never give good reasons. I agree with SportsG.

*some reason, most
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8/10/2010 8:32:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I like the hodgepodge of myths, truths, and pure idiot lies coming out of this topic. Always cool to see on DDO.

Anyways, I personally think that, in terms of negative impact on the United States and its people: Bush 43, Nixon, Truman, and Kennedy (the more I read, the less I tend to like) are probably the worst in *modern* history.
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8/10/2010 8:33:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Volkov, what do you have on Kennedy? I don't think I can name a single thing he did.
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8/10/2010 8:33:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:32:04 PM, Volkov wrote:
I like the hodgepodge of myths, truths, and pure idiot lies coming out of this topic. Always cool to see on DDO.

Good to see you busting these myths.
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8/10/2010 8:38:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 8:33:36 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Volkov, what do you have on Kennedy? I don't think I can name a single thing he did.

Bay of Pigs is the first thing that comes to mind.