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Best President in History?

MTGandP
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8/11/2010 9:13:03 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
We have a Worst President thread, so I think we need a Best President one.

Based on my (admittedly not very extensive) knowledge, my personal choice is Teddy Roosevelt. He was the first president of the American Industrial Revolution who was serious about helping the common man -- he was called the "trustbuster" after all.

I'm also a fan of Thomas Jefferson, more for his theories than his actual presidency. He was a big supporter of republicanism and separation of church and state. And, oh yeah, he wrote the Declaration of Independence.

Who are your favorites, and why? Shouting matches welcome, but please cite your sources where appropriate.
Volkov
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8/11/2010 9:24:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
It's been done to death, but....

LBJ for civil rights, Clinton for the economy and foreign policy, and that's it.

The rest - Reagan, Nixon, FDR, Wilson, and etc. - all have as many drawbacks as they do positives, so I can't really call them "best Presidents."
comoncents
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8/11/2010 9:25:28 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 9:24:30 AM, Volkov wrote:
It's been done to death, but....

The rest - Reagan, Nixon, FDR, Wilson, and etc. - all have as many drawbacks as they do positives, so I can't really call them "best Presidents."

I agree with that. You are spot on.
RoyLatham
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8/11/2010 9:32:00 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Washington. He had the toughest challenges and performed them magnificently. Washington has been under appreciated because he didn't leave a long written record, but historians have discovered that his intellectual contributions to the founding of the country were a substantial compliment to his leadership.
MTGandP
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8/11/2010 10:35:18 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 9:16:49 AM, comoncents wrote:
I've done this thread 3 times, but it is nice to see it right next to the "worst" list.

Yeah I thought you might have. I hadn't seen any, though, and I was curious. (Wait, why three times?)

Volkov wrote:
LBJ for civil rights, Clinton for the economy and foreign policy, and that's it.

The rest - Reagan, Nixon, FDR, Wilson, and etc. - all have as many drawbacks as they do positives, so I can't really call them "best Presidents."

So, LBJ didn't have any serious drawbacks?
Strikeeagle84015
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8/11/2010 10:38:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
1)Washington
2)Jefferson
That's about it everyone else screwed up in some way or another
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8/11/2010 10:47:26 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 9:13:03 AM, MTGandP wrote:
We have a Worst President thread, so I think we need a Best President one.

Based on my (admittedly not very extensive) knowledge, my personal choice is Teddy Roosevelt. He was the first president of the American Industrial Revolution who was serious about helping the common man -- he was called the "trustbuster" after all.

I'm also a fan of Thomas Jefferson, more for his theories than his actual presidency. He was a big supporter of republicanism and separation of church and state. And, oh yeah, he wrote the Declaration of Independence.

Who are your favorites, and why? Shouting matches welcome, but please cite your sources where appropriate.

Teddy was the first president to bring us out of our hemisphere and into the international arena. He had big ideas for us on the world stage. - that's a draw back for me.
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8/11/2010 10:50:02 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 9:24:30 AM, Volkov wrote:

LBJ for civil rights

He was one of the worst. He brought us into Vietnam full force. The legacy of that still haunts us. JFK may have initially started it, but LBJ was the guy. Also his war on poverty was another disaster.
Volkov
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8/11/2010 10:50:31 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 10:35:18 AM, MTGandP wrote:
So, LBJ didn't have any serious drawbacks?

Of course - Vietnam being the biggest. But I think his positive contributions outweigh the negatives.
innomen
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8/11/2010 10:51:50 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 10:50:31 AM, Volkov wrote:
At 8/11/2010 10:35:18 AM, MTGandP wrote:
So, LBJ didn't have any serious drawbacks?

Of course - Vietnam being the biggest. But I think his positive contributions outweigh the negatives.

If you are going to be completely honest about it, you would need to give Eisenhower some credit on the civil rights act.
Volkov
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8/11/2010 10:56:16 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 10:51:50 AM, innomen wrote:
If you are going to be completely honest about it, you would need to give Eisenhower some credit on the civil rights act.

Unfortunately I know little of Eisenhower's presidency, aside from his willingness to allow nukes in Korea and the interstate.
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8/11/2010 11:09:53 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 10:56:16 AM, Volkov wrote:
At 8/11/2010 10:51:50 AM, innomen wrote:
If you are going to be completely honest about it, you would need to give Eisenhower some credit on the civil rights act.

Unfortunately I know little of Eisenhower's presidency, aside from his willingness to allow nukes in Korea and the interstate.

Eisenhower: 'beware the military industrial complex' - remarkable for a General, and a republican.
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8/11/2010 11:48:40 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 10:38:25 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
1)Washington
2)Jefferson
That's about it everyone else screwed up in some way or another

*high-five*
Strikeeagle84015
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8/11/2010 11:58:11 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 11:48:40 AM, mongeese wrote:
At 8/11/2010 10:38:25 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
1)Washington
2)Jefferson
That's about it everyone else screwed up in some way or another

*high-five*

*high-five back*
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8/11/2010 12:31:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 10:38:25 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
1)Washington
2)Jefferson
That's about it everyone else screwed up in some way or another

Nothing against all else Washington did, but how does embezzeling funds not fall into the category of "screwed up in some way or another"?
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8/11/2010 12:35:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 12:31:59 PM, SportsGuru wrote:
At 8/11/2010 10:38:25 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
1)Washington
2)Jefferson
That's about it everyone else screwed up in some way or another

Nothing against all else Washington did, but how does embezzeling funds not fall into the category of "screwed up in some way or another"?

Embezzling funds? Source?
Xer
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8/11/2010 12:40:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 12:35:45 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 8/11/2010 12:31:59 PM, SportsGuru wrote:
At 8/11/2010 10:38:25 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
1)Washington
2)Jefferson
That's about it everyone else screwed up in some way or another

Nothing against all else Washington did, but how does embezzeling funds not fall into the category of "screwed up in some way or another"?

Embezzling funds? Source?

I remember Vi made this claim before. I searched the internet for a while and could only find one source -- just one weird book. I think it's bs.
http://books.google.com...
Strikeeagle84015
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8/11/2010 12:42:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 12:40:55 PM, Nags wrote:
At 8/11/2010 12:35:45 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 8/11/2010 12:31:59 PM, SportsGuru wrote:
At 8/11/2010 10:38:25 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
1)Washington
2)Jefferson
That's about it everyone else screwed up in some way or another

Nothing against all else Washington did, but how does embezzeling funds not fall into the category of "screwed up in some way or another"?

Embezzling funds? Source?

I remember Vi made this claim before. I searched the internet for a while and could only find one source -- just one weird book. I think it's bs.
http://books.google.com...

Wow if that source was any more ridiculous I would think it would be a joke book. But George Washington never even accepted a penny as payment for being President
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: Hey dawg, i herd you like evangelical trolls so we put a bible thumper in yo bible thumper so you can troll while you troll!

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Volkov
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8/11/2010 12:49:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 12:42:24 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
Wow if that source was any more ridiculous I would think it would be a joke book. But George Washington never even accepted a penny as payment for being President

What? http://gwpapers.virginia.edu...

Q: Did Washington receive pay as President of the United States?
A: Washington was at first reluctant to accept payment for his services. Later, however, he evidently agreed that it would not be a good precedent, and would cause complications in accounts. Congress appropriated $25,000 a year for the President and Washington accepted this salary. It was the largest salary in America for personal services at that time. It must be pointed out, however, that the government did not provide a Presidential mansion and that Washington had to maintain the expenses of his household from this amount, and complained that it was scarcely adequate.

You might be referring to his time as Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army, which he never received payment for.
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8/11/2010 1:00:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 12:49:52 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 8/11/2010 12:42:24 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
Wow if that source was any more ridiculous I would think it would be a joke book. But George Washington never even accepted a penny as payment for being President

What? http://gwpapers.virginia.edu...

Q: Did Washington receive pay as President of the United States?
A: Washington was at first reluctant to accept payment for his services. Later, however, he evidently agreed that it would not be a good precedent, and would cause complications in accounts. Congress appropriated $25,000 a year for the President and Washington accepted this salary. It was the largest salary in America for personal services at that time. It must be pointed out, however, that the government did not provide a Presidential mansion and that Washington had to maintain the expenses of his household from this amount, and complained that it was scarcely adequate.

You might be referring to his time as Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army, which he never received payment for.

Right, that proves Strikee wrong, but it doesn't prove that he embezzled funds.
Volkov
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8/11/2010 1:04:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 1:00:39 PM, Nags wrote:
Right, that proves Strikee wrong, but it doesn't prove that he embezzled funds.

I actually googled it, and came up with the same source you did. Some others mentioned it too but never provided sources. I don't know where the heck it came from.
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8/11/2010 2:15:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 2:13:57 PM, Nags wrote:
At 8/11/2010 1:13:24 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
It seems Washington did embezzle funds: http://books.google.com...

Are you, like, dumb?

What could possibly be wrong with that source?