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6/9/2015 4:59:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
First we have the hilarious article attacking his wife's traffic record (Hilary is exempt here as she hasn't driven a car in 30 years). Now they are attacking him for buying an $80,000 fishing boat rather thsn immediately paying off student debt. No reporting on Hillary buying a $10.5 million apartment for Chelsea Clinton, of course.

I personally agree with the NYT - we can't have those second-generation Americans get too high up the ladder. We need entitled rich old white people in charge. Oh wait...
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6/9/2015 5:06:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/9/2015 4:59:44 PM, TN05 wrote:
First we have the hilarious article attacking his wife's traffic record (Hilary is exempt here as she hasn't driven a car in 30 years). Now they are attacking him for buying an $80,000 fishing boat rather thsn immediately paying off student debt. No reporting on Hillary buying a $10.5 million apartment for Chelsea Clinton, of course.

I personally agree with the NYT - we can't have those second-generation Americans get too high up the ladder. We need entitled rich old white people in charge. Oh wait...

If anything, they should be happy that he had any student debt at all because that means he knows what it is like to be poor. Only Ben Carson in this field is really "in touch" with the American people. Now, I don't really care if they are in touch or not. Their policies can still work or fail whether or not they used to be poor. But since that is part of the liberal rhetoric, the media should support him for it.

Rubio, tbh, is my first choice. His tax plan reduces middle class taxes (through credits) and that causes growth. He also reduces corporate taxes to get the supply side in there. Jeb, Kaisich, and Walker could grab me for second choice though.
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6/9/2015 5:34:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/9/2015 5:06:01 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 6/9/2015 4:59:44 PM, TN05 wrote:
First we have the hilarious article attacking his wife's traffic record (Hilary is exempt here as she hasn't driven a car in 30 years). Now they are attacking him for buying an $80,000 fishing boat rather thsn immediately paying off student debt. No reporting on Hillary buying a $10.5 million apartment for Chelsea Clinton, of course.

I personally agree with the NYT - we can't have those second-generation Americans get too high up the ladder. We need entitled rich old white people in charge. Oh wait...

If anything, they should be happy that he had any student debt at all because that means he knows what it is like to be poor. Only Ben Carson in this field is really "in touch" with the American people. Now, I don't really care if they are in touch or not. Their policies can still work or fail whether or not they used to be poor. But since that is part of the liberal rhetoric, the media should support him for it.

Precisely. That is a big deal for millennial.

Rubio, tbh, is my first choice. His tax plan reduces middle class taxes (through credits) and that causes growth. He also reduces corporate taxes to get the supply side in there. Jeb, Kaisich, and Walker could grab me for second choice though.

I'm big on Rubio myself. I'd previously been in favor of Scott Walker (hard to beat a conservative agenda winning three times in four years in a light blue state) but I moved to the Rubio camp after hearing him speak. He's a great communicator and that's what we need - someone who is conservative and can explain how conservative policies will help people. That can break down a lot of barriers the media has set between conservatism and people. Plus, he has - in my opinion - the best chance to win. Look at any presidential poll and he's usually one of the top two or three guys against Hillary. That's what Dems are scared of. Rubio's my vote right now, Walker is a close second.
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6/9/2015 7:06:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/9/2015 4:59:44 PM, TN05 wrote:
First we have the hilarious article attacking his wife's traffic record (Hilary is exempt here as she hasn't driven a car in 30 years). Now they are attacking him for buying an $80,000 fishing boat rather thsn immediately paying off student debt. No reporting on Hillary buying a $10.5 million apartment for Chelsea Clinton, of course.

I personally agree with the NYT - we can't have those second-generation Americans get too high up the ladder. We need entitled rich old white people in charge. Oh wait...

How does the above indicate that the NYT's is scared of Rubio?
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6/9/2015 10:09:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/9/2015 7:06:10 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 4:59:44 PM, TN05 wrote:
First we have the hilarious article attacking his wife's traffic record (Hilary is exempt here as she hasn't driven a car in 30 years). Now they are attacking him for buying an $80,000 fishing boat rather thsn immediately paying off student debt. No reporting on Hillary buying a $10.5 million apartment for Chelsea Clinton, of course.

I personally agree with the NYT - we can't have those second-generation Americans get too high up the ladder. We need entitled rich old white people in charge. Oh wait...

How does the above indicate that the NYT's is scared of Rubio?

Yeah, they're just pandering to their target audience. Color me surprised.
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6/9/2015 11:38:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/9/2015 7:06:10 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 4:59:44 PM, TN05 wrote:
First we have the hilarious article attacking his wife's traffic record (Hilary is exempt here as she hasn't driven a car in 30 years). Now they are attacking him for buying an $80,000 fishing boat rather thsn immediately paying off student debt. No reporting on Hillary buying a $10.5 million apartment for Chelsea Clinton, of course.

I personally agree with the NYT - we can't have those second-generation Americans get too high up the ladder. We need entitled rich old white people in charge. Oh wait...

How does the above indicate that the NYT's is scared of Rubio?

Well, typically ridiculous smear campaigns are directed at candidates who seem like they have a real shot at winning. If you're scared that someone is going to win, you'll try anything to bring them down (assuming that you're unscrupulous).
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6/9/2015 11:45:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/9/2015 11:38:16 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/9/2015 7:06:10 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 4:59:44 PM, TN05 wrote:
First we have the hilarious article attacking his wife's traffic record (Hilary is exempt here as she hasn't driven a car in 30 years). Now they are attacking him for buying an $80,000 fishing boat rather thsn immediately paying off student debt. No reporting on Hillary buying a $10.5 million apartment for Chelsea Clinton, of course.

I personally agree with the NYT - we can't have those second-generation Americans get too high up the ladder. We need entitled rich old white people in charge. Oh wait...

How does the above indicate that the NYT's is scared of Rubio?

Well, typically ridiculous smear campaigns are directed at candidates who seem like they have a real shot at winning. If you're scared that someone is going to win, you'll try anything to bring them down (assuming that you're unscrupulous).

It seems to me if the New York Times wanted to smear this guy they would use something more potent then a boat that he bought years ago.
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6/9/2015 11:49:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/9/2015 11:45:44 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:38:16 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/9/2015 7:06:10 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 4:59:44 PM, TN05 wrote:
First we have the hilarious article attacking his wife's traffic record (Hilary is exempt here as she hasn't driven a car in 30 years). Now they are attacking him for buying an $80,000 fishing boat rather thsn immediately paying off student debt. No reporting on Hillary buying a $10.5 million apartment for Chelsea Clinton, of course.

I personally agree with the NYT - we can't have those second-generation Americans get too high up the ladder. We need entitled rich old white people in charge. Oh wait...

How does the above indicate that the NYT's is scared of Rubio?

Well, typically ridiculous smear campaigns are directed at candidates who seem like they have a real shot at winning. If you're scared that someone is going to win, you'll try anything to bring them down (assuming that you're unscrupulous).

It seems to me if the New York Times wanted to smear this guy they would use something more potent then a boat that he bought years ago.

You're assuming they have more to go on.
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6/10/2015 12:05:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/9/2015 11:49:40 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:45:44 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:38:16 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/9/2015 7:06:10 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 4:59:44 PM, TN05 wrote:
First we have the hilarious article attacking his wife's traffic record (Hilary is exempt here as she hasn't driven a car in 30 years). Now they are attacking him for buying an $80,000 fishing boat rather thsn immediately paying off student debt. No reporting on Hillary buying a $10.5 million apartment for Chelsea Clinton, of course.

I personally agree with the NYT - we can't have those second-generation Americans get too high up the ladder. We need entitled rich old white people in charge. Oh wait...

How does the above indicate that the NYT's is scared of Rubio?

Well, typically ridiculous smear campaigns are directed at candidates who seem like they have a real shot at winning. If you're scared that someone is going to win, you'll try anything to bring them down (assuming that you're unscrupulous).

It seems to me if the New York Times wanted to smear this guy they would use something more potent then a boat that he bought years ago.

You're assuming they have more to go on.

.... i am assuming they aren't smearing him.
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6/10/2015 12:06:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/10/2015 12:05:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:49:40 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:45:44 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:38:16 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/9/2015 7:06:10 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 4:59:44 PM, TN05 wrote:
First we have the hilarious article attacking his wife's traffic record (Hilary is exempt here as she hasn't driven a car in 30 years). Now they are attacking him for buying an $80,000 fishing boat rather thsn immediately paying off student debt. No reporting on Hillary buying a $10.5 million apartment for Chelsea Clinton, of course.

I personally agree with the NYT - we can't have those second-generation Americans get too high up the ladder. We need entitled rich old white people in charge. Oh wait...

How does the above indicate that the NYT's is scared of Rubio?

Well, typically ridiculous smear campaigns are directed at candidates who seem like they have a real shot at winning. If you're scared that someone is going to win, you'll try anything to bring them down (assuming that you're unscrupulous).

It seems to me if the New York Times wanted to smear this guy they would use something more potent then a boat that he bought years ago.

You're assuming they have more to go on.

.... i am assuming they aren't smearing him.

Lol, I know that. I mean you are assuming that if they wanted to smear him, they could find better material than this.
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6/10/2015 12:14:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/10/2015 12:06:46 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/10/2015 12:05:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:49:40 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:45:44 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:38:16 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/9/2015 7:06:10 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 4:59:44 PM, TN05 wrote:
First we have the hilarious article attacking his wife's traffic record (Hilary is exempt here as she hasn't driven a car in 30 years). Now they are attacking him for buying an $80,000 fishing boat rather thsn immediately paying off student debt. No reporting on Hillary buying a $10.5 million apartment for Chelsea Clinton, of course.

I personally agree with the NYT - we can't have those second-generation Americans get too high up the ladder. We need entitled rich old white people in charge. Oh wait...

How does the above indicate that the NYT's is scared of Rubio?

Well, typically ridiculous smear campaigns are directed at candidates who seem like they have a real shot at winning. If you're scared that someone is going to win, you'll try anything to bring them down (assuming that you're unscrupulous).

It seems to me if the New York Times wanted to smear this guy they would use something more potent then a boat that he bought years ago.

You're assuming they have more to go on.

.... i am assuming they aren't smearing him.

Lol, I know that. I mean you are assuming that if they wanted to smear him, they could find better material than this.

You mean other than rejecting that humans have impacted Earths climate....
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6/10/2015 12:16:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/10/2015 12:06:46 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/10/2015 12:05:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:49:40 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:45:44 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:38:16 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/9/2015 7:06:10 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 4:59:44 PM, TN05 wrote:
First we have the hilarious article attacking his wife's traffic record (Hilary is exempt here as she hasn't driven a car in 30 years). Now they are attacking him for buying an $80,000 fishing boat rather thsn immediately paying off student debt. No reporting on Hillary buying a $10.5 million apartment for Chelsea Clinton, of course.

I personally agree with the NYT - we can't have those second-generation Americans get too high up the ladder. We need entitled rich old white people in charge. Oh wait...

How does the above indicate that the NYT's is scared of Rubio?

Well, typically ridiculous smear campaigns are directed at candidates who seem like they have a real shot at winning. If you're scared that someone is going to win, you'll try anything to bring them down (assuming that you're unscrupulous).

It seems to me if the New York Times wanted to smear this guy they would use something more potent then a boat that he bought years ago.

You're assuming they have more to go on.

.... i am assuming they aren't smearing him.

Lol, I know that. I mean you are assuming that if they wanted to smear him, they could find better material than this.
Or this http://youtu.be...
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6/10/2015 12:20:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/10/2015 12:14:54 AM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/10/2015 12:06:46 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/10/2015 12:05:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:49:40 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:45:44 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:38:16 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/9/2015 7:06:10 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 4:59:44 PM, TN05 wrote:
First we have the hilarious article attacking his wife's traffic record (Hilary is exempt here as she hasn't driven a car in 30 years). Now they are attacking him for buying an $80,000 fishing boat rather thsn immediately paying off student debt. No reporting on Hillary buying a $10.5 million apartment for Chelsea Clinton, of course.

I personally agree with the NYT - we can't have those second-generation Americans get too high up the ladder. We need entitled rich old white people in charge. Oh wait...

How does the above indicate that the NYT's is scared of Rubio?

Well, typically ridiculous smear campaigns are directed at candidates who seem like they have a real shot at winning. If you're scared that someone is going to win, you'll try anything to bring them down (assuming that you're unscrupulous).

It seems to me if the New York Times wanted to smear this guy they would use something more potent then a boat that he bought years ago.

You're assuming they have more to go on.

.... i am assuming they aren't smearing him.

Lol, I know that. I mean you are assuming that if they wanted to smear him, they could find better material than this.

You mean other than rejecting that humans have impacted Earths climate....

I wouldn't say that's smear material. To begin with, that's actually serious criticism, not a dishonest attack against his character or morals. Secondly, it's pretty much neutral in terms of political benefit/damage. I.e., some people would be more likely to vote for him after hearing that he doesn't believe in man made global warming, and some would be less likely. It would probably balance out.
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6/10/2015 12:29:21 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/10/2015 12:20:15 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/10/2015 12:14:54 AM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/10/2015 12:06:46 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/10/2015 12:05:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:49:40 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:45:44 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:38:16 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/9/2015 7:06:10 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 4:59:44 PM, TN05 wrote:
First we have the hilarious article attacking his wife's traffic record (Hilary is exempt here as she hasn't driven a car in 30 years). Now they are attacking him for buying an $80,000 fishing boat rather thsn immediately paying off student debt. No reporting on Hillary buying a $10.5 million apartment for Chelsea Clinton, of course.

I personally agree with the NYT - we can't have those second-generation Americans get too high up the ladder. We need entitled rich old white people in charge. Oh wait...

How does the above indicate that the NYT's is scared of Rubio?

Well, typically ridiculous smear campaigns are directed at candidates who seem like they have a real shot at winning. If you're scared that someone is going to win, you'll try anything to bring them down (assuming that you're unscrupulous).

It seems to me if the New York Times wanted to smear this guy they would use something more potent then a boat that he bought years ago.

You're assuming they have more to go on.

.... i am assuming they aren't smearing him.

Lol, I know that. I mean you are assuming that if they wanted to smear him, they could find better material than this.

You mean other than rejecting that humans have impacted Earths climate....

I wouldn't say that's smear material. To begin with, that's actually serious criticism, not a dishonest attack against his character or morals. Secondly, it's pretty much neutral in terms of political benefit/damage. I.e., some people would be more likely to vote for him after hearing that he doesn't believe in man made global warming, and some would be less likely. It would probably balance out.

My point is if the NYT is a lefty paper that is trying to smear the guy, I think it silly to think this piece was that. The article hardly paints Rubio in a bad light.
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6/10/2015 12:34:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/10/2015 12:16:51 AM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/10/2015 12:06:46 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/10/2015 12:05:08 AM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:49:40 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:45:44 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:38:16 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/9/2015 7:06:10 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2015 4:59:44 PM, TN05 wrote:
First we have the hilarious article attacking his wife's traffic record (Hilary is exempt here as she hasn't driven a car in 30 years). Now they are attacking him for buying an $80,000 fishing boat rather thsn immediately paying off student debt. No reporting on Hillary buying a $10.5 million apartment for Chelsea Clinton, of course.

I personally agree with the NYT - we can't have those second-generation Americans get too high up the ladder. We need entitled rich old white people in charge. Oh wait...

How does the above indicate that the NYT's is scared of Rubio?

Well, typically ridiculous smear campaigns are directed at candidates who seem like they have a real shot at winning. If you're scared that someone is going to win, you'll try anything to bring them down (assuming that you're unscrupulous).

It seems to me if the New York Times wanted to smear this guy they would use something more potent then a boat that he bought years ago.

You're assuming they have more to go on.

.... i am assuming they aren't smearing him.

Lol, I know that. I mean you are assuming that if they wanted to smear him, they could find better material than this.
Or this http://youtu.be...

This isn't smear material either. This is just standard Republic rhetoric that all Americans already know about, and that many agree with. Also, the host was engaging in a fallacy. Of course laws against murder are effective in the sense that they cut down on the number of murders. That's irrelevant. Laws against gun ownership would cut down on the number of guns too - but they wouldn't cut down on the number of guns possessed by criminals nearly as much, because criminals are far less likely to follow the law.
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6/10/2015 1:35:27 AM
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The NYT will do it's best to smear any Republican. In the 2008 election, they published a completely false story implying that John McCain was having an illicit love affair, citing no identified sources. The woman sued and the Times recanted. If the best the Times can come up with is four traffic tickets in 18 years of driving in Miami and a speed boat, that not only means Rubio is clean, it makes the Times look desperate.

it makes no sense to pay off student loans early if they are at a low interest rate. You play the cards you are dealt, and don't substitute low rate debt with high rate debt.

I don't think that Rubio would make as good a president as one of the governors, but he would be infinitely better than Hillary, and he is the candidate with the most charismatic appeal.
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6/10/2015 11:44:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/9/2015 4:59:44 PM, TN05 wrote:
First we have the hilarious article attacking his wife's traffic record (Hilary is exempt here as she hasn't driven a car in 30 years). Now they are attacking him for buying an $80,000 fishing boat rather thsn immediately paying off student debt. No reporting on Hillary buying a $10.5 million apartment for Chelsea Clinton, of course.

I personally agree with the NYT - we can't have those second-generation Americans get too high up the ladder. We need entitled rich old white people in charge. Oh wait...

Well, there does seems to be a juxtaposition being part of a platform that advocates personal responsibility and not living to that standard. He would probably like to push it all off as struggling middle class, but middle class don't get $300,000 salaries in the private market or $800,000 advancements for books, or even hire relatives for campaign which the republican party and donors fund.

The only difference between him and the elite is that he is not yet elite in terms of money he controls.