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6/27/2015 12:50:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I'm of the opinion that the two most major rulings of the supreme court benefited Republicans politically (not policy wise).

Think about it. Gay marriage is now a losing issue for Republicans. Smart Republicans will now just say "It's the law of the land" as they already are, sparing them from getting hit on this issue.

The Obamacare decision even more so. Had the supreme court ruled that the federal subsidies need to be thrown out because of one line...well, that can also be fixed in one line. But Republicans probably wouldn't have agreed to such a simple fix, and if any did it would've been an internal civil war that made republicans look extremely bad.
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6/27/2015 3:13:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/27/2015 12:50:58 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm of the opinion that the two most major rulings of the supreme court benefited Republicans politically (not policy wise).

I fully agree, and I think Roberts is totally cognizant of that.
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6/27/2015 3:24:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/27/2015 3:13:55 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/27/2015 12:50:58 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm of the opinion that the two most major rulings of the supreme court benefited Republicans politically (not policy wise).

I fully agree, and I think Roberts is totally cognizant of that.

That speaks very poorly on the supreme court as an institution, lol
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6/27/2015 3:33:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/27/2015 3:24:13 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 6/27/2015 3:13:55 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/27/2015 12:50:58 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm of the opinion that the two most major rulings of the supreme court benefited Republicans politically (not policy wise).

I fully agree, and I think Roberts is totally cognizant of that.

That speaks very poorly on the supreme court as an institution, lol

No, it doesn't. It means that the GOP benefitted from judicial decisions; while the court may have acted with foresight that the GOP would have benefited, no reasonable person would argue that benefiting the GOP was the majority's intent. If that was the case, then Roberts would have written the majority opinion, not Kennedy, and Roberts wouldn't have dissented, in the gay marriage case.

With the Obamacare case, Roberts wrote the majority opinion, but he did it to control exactly how far the court would be willing to go, which was very tactful -though if he was trying to benefit the GOP (at least to the extent that was within his power), the opinion would have looked much differently. There were, nevertheless, political motives which likely influenced at least some of the justices; namely the desire not to initiate a war with the White House.
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6/27/2015 4:53:25 PM
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Politics doesn't help anyone. So what if a republican gets elected. What will change? The gov't wont change anything it does to impose it's tyranny upon the people. It won't stop spending and printing worthless money. It won't stop creating unsustainable unfunded welfare and subsidies. It won't stop spending future generations into oblivion. At this point of no return I would rather have the most extreme socialist/communists possible elected to just speed up the inevitable economic collapse and let the revolution begin. There is no recovery or paying back the debt. It will be defaulted on. The world is going to stop buying our debt because we are devaluing the dollar in an exponential rate. The US dollar is nearly worthless. We have ten or fifteen years tops left before the world switches to another countries currency for trading when that happens, the great house of cards will come tumbling down and we will be just like Greece but with no European union to bail us out. Even the European Union is getting sick of Greece their way of life is over. And so to shall be ours. It makes no difference who is President. The undeniable and inevitable are unstoppable regardless of anything anyone tries to do. It's 20 years to late. and 200 trillion in unfunded mandates short.
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6/27/2015 6:56:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/27/2015 12:50:58 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm of the opinion that the two most major rulings of the supreme court benefited Republicans politically (not policy wise).

Think about it. Gay marriage is now a losing issue for Republicans. Smart Republicans will now just say "It's the law of the land" as they already are, sparing them from getting hit on this issue.

We'll see if the Republicans can let that lie. This was one of the Republicans Major talking points throughout the fist decade of the century.

The Obamacare decision even more so. Had the supreme court ruled that the federal subsidies need to be thrown out because of one line...well, that can also be fixed in one line. But Republicans probably wouldn't have agreed to such a simple fix, and if any did it would've been an internal civil war that made republicans look extremely bad.

There was plenty of down right hatred toward Obama specifically on the ACA, dissipated in the first 1yrs of implementation. There's still speculation about the long term effect.

Both topics in one day is crushing to the GOP if you couple this with that Buffoon Boehner, the highest ranking GOP, you'll probably find many of the undecided voters leaning toward the Democrats. If The Republicans can steer clear of the SCOTUS decisions (I don't think they can) the big issue will be immigration and that's 50/50 with the voters. Not that they would campaign on issues such as, campaign finance reform, tax reform, drug reform, foreign policy reform, trade reform or just the poor management of government agencies.
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6/27/2015 7:05:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/27/2015 12:50:58 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm of the opinion that the two most major rulings of the supreme court benefited Republicans politically (not policy wise).

Think about it. Gay marriage is now a losing issue for Republicans. Smart Republicans will now just say "It's the law of the land" as they already are, sparing them from getting hit on this issue.

The Obamacare decision even more so. Had the supreme court ruled that the federal subsidies need to be thrown out because of one line...well, that can also be fixed in one line. But Republicans probably wouldn't have agreed to such a simple fix, and if any did it would've been an internal civil war that made republicans look extremely bad.

Obamacare was a policy issue that I am disappointed the GOP lost on. However marriage is a cultural one, which honestly, politics has no real place in so in that respect I agree. The GOP kill in debates regarding economics and foreign policy which is what the presidency is really supposed to preside over primarily so. It should help us in 2016. Theoretically.
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6/27/2015 9:48:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/27/2015 6:56:57 PM, ironslippers wrote:
At 6/27/2015 12:50:58 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm of the opinion that the two most major rulings of the supreme court benefited Republicans politically (not policy wise).

Think about it. Gay marriage is now a losing issue for Republicans. Smart Republicans will now just say "It's the law of the land" as they already are, sparing them from getting hit on this issue.

We'll see if the Republicans can let that lie. This was one of the Republicans Major talking points throughout the fist decade of the century.

Yeah cuz it was a winning issue. Even before this decision they were nominally opposed to it (like Obama in '08) but it wasn't something they emphasized. Most young republicans support gay marriage and it's now officially no longer an issue...the Supreme Court helped the GOP immensely with this decision.


The Obamacare decision even more so. Had the supreme court ruled that the federal subsidies need to be thrown out because of one line...well, that can also be fixed in one line. But Republicans probably wouldn't have agreed to such a simple fix, and if any did it would've been an internal civil war that made republicans look extremely bad.

There was plenty of down right hatred toward Obama specifically on the ACA, dissipated in the first 1yrs of implementation. There's still speculation about the long term effect.

It's still a mostly unpopular law, although there are parts of it that are wildly popular (like letting people stay on their parents plan until 26 and not allowing people to be denied health insurance for preexisting conditions) and others that are despised (like the individual mandate). I really can't claim to know enough about the law or the healthcare system in general to say what is good policy, but I know what's good politically and bashing Obamacare has been a goldmine for the GOP. The supreme court could've taken that away and made Republicans look like obstructionist idiots.


Both topics in one day is crushing to the GOP if you couple this with that Buffoon Boehner, the highest ranking GOP, you'll probably find many of the undecided voters leaning toward the Democrats. If The Republicans can steer clear of the SCOTUS decisions (I don't think they can) the big issue will be immigration and that's 50/50 with the voters. Not that they would campaign on issues such as, campaign finance reform, tax reform, drug reform, foreign policy reform, trade reform or just the poor management of government agencies.

Republicans need to embrace the tea party and reform their policies to survive 2016.
(I Like "Reform School Girls" 1986 Wendy O Williams).

They need to be the voice of change, yeah. Hillary is pretty much officially running for a third Obama term which makes that job a little easier.
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6/27/2015 10:11:45 PM
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At 6/27/2015 10:09:45 PM, Varrack wrote:
Is this thread related to this article by chance?
http://www.cnn.com...

Nope but I read a very similar article this morning. A lot of commentators are saying it because frankly it's true
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6/27/2015 11:36:53 PM
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At 6/27/2015 12:50:58 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm of the opinion that the two most major rulings of the supreme court benefited Republicans politically (not policy wise).

Think about it. Gay marriage is now a losing issue for Republicans. Smart Republicans will now just say "It's the law of the land" as they already are, sparing them from getting hit on this issue.

The Obamacare decision even more so. Had the supreme court ruled that the federal subsidies need to be thrown out because of one line...well, that can also be fixed in one line. But Republicans probably wouldn't have agreed to such a simple fix, and if any did it would've been an internal civil war that made republicans look extremely bad.

Yes I absolutely agree thett
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6/28/2015 12:09:00 AM
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At 6/27/2015 9:48:54 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 6/27/2015 6:56:57 PM, ironslippers wrote:
At 6/27/2015 12:50:58 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm of the opinion that the two most major rulings of the supreme court benefited Republicans politically (not policy wise).

Think about it. Gay marriage is now a losing issue for Republicans. Smart Republicans will now just say "It's the law of the land" as they already are, sparing them from getting hit on this issue.

We'll see if the Republicans can let that lie. This was one of the Republicans Major talking points throughout the fist decade of the century.

Yeah cuz it was a winning issue. Even before this decision they were nominally opposed to it (like Obama in '08) but it wasn't something they emphasized. Most young republicans support gay marriage and it's now officially no longer an issue...the Supreme Court helped the GOP immensely with this decision.


The Obamacare decision even more so. Had the supreme court ruled that the federal subsidies need to be thrown out because of one line...well, that can also be fixed in one line. But Republicans probably wouldn't have agreed to such a simple fix, and if any did it would've been an internal civil war that made republicans look extremely bad.

There was plenty of down right hatred toward Obama specifically on the ACA, dissipated in the first 1yrs of implementation. There's still speculation about the long term effect.

It's still a mostly unpopular law, although there are parts of it that are wildly popular (like letting people stay on their parents plan until 26 and not allowing people to be denied health insurance for preexisting conditions) and others that are despised (like the individual mandate). I really can't claim to know enough about the law or the healthcare system in general to say what is good policy, but I know what's good politically and bashing Obamacare has been a goldmine for the GOP. The supreme court could've taken that away and made Republicans look like obstructionist idiots.


Both topics in one day is crushing to the GOP if you couple this with that Buffoon Boehner, the highest ranking GOP, you'll probably find many of the undecided voters leaning toward the Democrats. If The Republicans can steer clear of the SCOTUS decisions (I don't think they can) the big issue will be immigration and that's 50/50 with the voters. Not that they would campaign on issues such as, campaign finance reform, tax reform, drug reform, foreign policy reform, trade reform or just the poor management of government agencies.

Republicans need to embrace the tea party and reform their policies to survive 2016.
(I Like "Reform School Girls" 1986 Wendy O Williams).

They need to be the voice of change, yeah. Hillary is pretty much officially running for a third Obama term which makes that job a little easier.

That's not entirely true. Instead of a weak leader unwilling to compromise, you'd get a strong leader unwilling to compromise.
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6/28/2015 12:11:06 AM
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At 6/27/2015 12:50:58 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm of the opinion that the two most major rulings of the supreme court benefited Republicans politically (not policy wise).

Think about it. Gay marriage is now a losing issue for Republicans. Smart Republicans

That begs the question: "ARE there any smart republicans?" Let's see: Huckabee is still beating the anti-gay drum, and (frothy mixture) Santorum, Jindal, Cruz, ....

(See thread, this forum: "Future of the GOP")

will now just say "It's the law of the land" as they already are, sparing them from getting hit on this issue.

The Obamacare decision even more so. Had the supreme court ruled that the federal subsidies need to be thrown out because of one line...well, that can also be fixed in one line. But Republicans probably wouldn't have agreed to such a simple fix, and if any did it would've been an internal civil war that made republicans look extremely bad.
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6/28/2015 12:42:02 AM
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At 6/28/2015 12:11:06 AM, wsmunit7 wrote:
At 6/27/2015 12:50:58 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm of the opinion that the two most major rulings of the supreme court benefited Republicans politically (not policy wise).

Think about it. Gay marriage is now a losing issue for Republicans. Smart Republicans

That begs the question: "ARE there any smart republicans?" Let's see: Huckabee is still beating the anti-gay drum, and (frothy mixture) Santorum, Jindal, Cruz, ....

There are. I bet republicans like Bush and to a lesser extent Rubio are relieved that this decision has taken the issue off the table. Huckabee, Santorum, and Jindal all sincerely care about preventing same sex marriage. Cruz is, believe it or not, one of the smartest politicians in America. He was a top debater at Princeton, and went on to Harvard Law, and was one of the most successful litigators in the country. I'm almost certain that his teapartiness is all an act. I don't doubt that he's a conservative, just not a radical one.

(See thread, this forum: "Future of the GOP")


will now just say "It's the law of the land" as they already are, sparing them from getting hit on this issue.

The Obamacare decision even more so. Had the supreme court ruled that the federal subsidies need to be thrown out because of one line...well, that can also be fixed in one line. But Republicans probably wouldn't have agreed to such a simple fix, and if any did it would've been an internal civil war that made republicans look extremely bad.
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6/28/2015 1:24:06 AM
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At 6/28/2015 12:11:06 AM, wsmunit7 wrote:
At 6/27/2015 12:50:58 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm of the opinion that the two most major rulings of the supreme court benefited Republicans politically (not policy wise).

Think about it. Gay marriage is now a losing issue for Republicans. Smart Republicans

That begs the question: "ARE there any smart republicans?" Let's see: Huckabee is still beating the anti-gay drum, and (frothy mixture) Santorum, Jindal, Cruz, ....

do you mean smart, as in what fights to pick and how to win? In public perception you really can't trump the arguments: Every one is entitled to health care and Loving couples should be able to marry. GOP should have lead these issues to mitigate damage. Republican party is choking on its own Hubris. Republicans need to get ahead of issues if they want any measurable amount of power.

(See thread, this forum: "Future of the GOP")


will now just say "It's the law of the land" as they already are, sparing them from getting hit on this issue.

The Obamacare decision even more so. Had the supreme court ruled that the federal subsidies need to be thrown out because of one line...well, that can also be fixed in one line. But Republicans probably wouldn't have agreed to such a simple fix, and if any did it would've been an internal civil war that made republicans look extremely bad.
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