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6/30/2015 12:20:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I'm genuinely curious about this: how Westerners would classify my political ideology.

I don't self-identify with any Western ideology, of course. I don't restrict myself to any of those. In fact, on DDO, I'm been called a feminazi and asked if I was from Saudi Arabia in the same week - true story. My ideology is Confucian and will always stay that way. Yet I'm curious as to where I'd fall in the Western view of the political spectrum.

Generally, I agree with Liberals on around 70-80% of Big Issues, a number that usually drops to less than 40% for conservatives and libertarians. For example, this is how I compare, big issue-wise, with some users in each ideology:

Liberals:
TBR - 80.65%
bsh1 - 82.76%
bluesteel - 70.27%
whiteflame - 68.57%

Conservatives:
Lannan - 35.14%
DK - 36.36%
Varrack - 54.29%
TN05 - 12.90%

Libertarians:
Wylted - 38.89%
bossy - 24.32%
Khaos - 37.04%
mighty - 11.76%

It is also worthy of note that I often agree with certain stances (e.g. pro-life, pro gay marriage, anti-capitalism), but for reasons that have nothing to do with what conservatives, liberals and socialists hold respectively.

So I decided to tally up the 'liberal' and 'conservative' positions I hold:

'Liberal' positions I hold:
"Animal RightsPro
"CapitalismCon
"Death PenaltyCon
"Environmental ProtectionPro
"EuthanasiaPro
"Flat TaxCon
"Gay MarriagePro
"Global Warming ExistsPro
"Gun RightsCon
"HomeschoolingCon
"Iran-Iraq WarCon
"Labor UnionPro
"Medical MarijuanaPro
"Military InterventionCon
"National Health CarePro
"RedistributionPro
"Smoking BanPro
"Social ProgramsPro
"Social SecurityPro
"SocialismPro
"Progressive TaxPro
"Racial ProfilingCon
"TortureCon
"War in AfghanistanCon
"War on TerrorCon
"WelfarePro

'Conservative' ones:
"Abortion Con
"Barack ObamaCon
"Civil UnionsCon
"Drug LegalizationCon
"GlobalizationCon
"Legalized ProstitutionCon

There are a few ambiguous ones I didn't include. One thing I did notice is that there is a huge emphasis on wars (I'm a pacifist...) and on fiscal policy, which is likely the reason why I agree with liberals so much more than conservatives.

Apart from Big Issues, it may be worth noting that I often find myself arguing with liberals, perhaps more than with conservatives. The arguments I get into with liberals most often are a) whether having children is a moral obligation and b) whether public displays of affection should be criminalised. (It's because related topics keep popping up in Opinions and Polls; go figure.)

Now, I hold positions from both sides, as you can see, but I don't consider myself centrist or moderate. My views from both sides are pretty strong.

So what would you call my ideology? That's what I'm really curious about. If you need to ask me questions to help me determine it, I'd appreciate that. Thanks.
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6/30/2015 12:49:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 12:47:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
Take this quiz... http://www.isidewith.com...

I've taken it when bsh posted. Bernie Sanders 80%. :P

I don't consider it representative, though, because it's so US-heavy. Most of the questions are on stuff I don't care about.
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

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6/30/2015 12:53:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 12:49:45 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 12:47:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
Take this quiz... http://www.isidewith.com...

I've taken it when bsh posted. Bernie Sanders 80%. :P

I don't consider it representative, though, because it's so US-heavy. Most of the questions are on stuff I don't care about.

Once you get the response you can select political chart instead of candidate and it plots you on a graph.
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6/30/2015 12:56:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 12:49:45 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 12:47:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
Take this quiz... http://www.isidewith.com...

I've taken it when bsh posted. Bernie Sanders 80%. :P

I don't consider it representative, though, because it's so US-heavy. Most of the questions are on stuff I don't care about.

For example I also was aligned with Bernie Sanders... but it also plots me as Left Wing. "Your political beliefs would be considered moderately Left-Wing on an ideological scale, meaning you tend to support policies that promote social and economic equality."
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6/30/2015 1:00:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 12:53:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/30/2015 12:49:45 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 12:47:01 PM, kasmic wrote:
Take this quiz... http://www.isidewith.com...

I've taken it when bsh posted. Bernie Sanders 80%. :P

I don't consider it representative, though, because it's so US-heavy. Most of the questions are on stuff I don't care about.

Once you get the response you can select political chart instead of candidate and it plots you on a graph.

I understand that, but the question themselves don't represent my ideology because most of them are about US policy. I'm not well-versed in US issues, nor do I care about them enough.

I did take a few other political compass tests, and although they sometimes displayed some signs Americanocentrism, there was much less Americanocentrism in those tests (http://www.debate.org...) than the 2016 candidates one, since the latter was designed specifically for the elections.

Moreover, I was really looking for a lexical category, or at most a two-word phrase like 'social democrat' (not that I identify with them of course), that would describe me.

Sorry if it looks like I don't value your efforts. They're greatly appreciated; I just thought the results of the test don't reflect my views very accurately.)
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

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6/30/2015 1:04:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
So I was just looking for an easy answer for you that did not require me to analyze all of your answers haha.
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6/30/2015 1:08:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
'Liberal' positions I hold:
"Animal RightsPro
"CapitalismCon
"Death PenaltyCon
"Environmental ProtectionPro
"EuthanasiaPro
"Flat TaxCon
"Gay MarriagePro
"Global Warming ExistsPro
"Gun RightsCon
"HomeschoolingCon
"Iran-Iraq WarCon
"Labor UnionPro
"Medical MarijuanaPro
"Military InterventionCon
"National Health CarePro
"RedistributionPro
"Smoking BanPro
"Social ProgramsPro
"Social SecurityPro
"SocialismPro
"Progressive TaxPro
"Racial ProfilingCon
"TortureCon
"War in AfghanistanCon
"War on TerrorCon
"WelfarePro

'Conservative' ones:
"Abortion Con
"Barack ObamaCon
"Civil UnionsCon
"Drug LegalizationCon
"GlobalizationCon
"Legalized ProstitutionCon

The issue with this is it boils these questions into a yes no dichotomy. Which makes it impossible to really say. For example, both a socialist and a classical liberal would be con to ObamaCare... but for totally different reasons. Thus with these positions it matters more why you are pro or con....
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6/30/2015 1:14:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Just a few questions....

1: Goals

How should society be organized? Why? as opposed to?

2: Methods


What is the most appropriate way to achieve this goal? why? as opposed to?
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6/30/2015 1:15:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 1:08:04 PM, kasmic wrote:
'Liberal' positions I hold:
"Animal RightsPro
"CapitalismCon
"Death PenaltyCon
"Environmental ProtectionPro
"EuthanasiaPro
"Flat TaxCon
"Gay MarriagePro
"Global Warming ExistsPro
"Gun RightsCon
"HomeschoolingCon
"Iran-Iraq WarCon
"Labor UnionPro
"Medical MarijuanaPro
"Military InterventionCon
"National Health CarePro
"RedistributionPro
"Smoking BanPro
"Social ProgramsPro
"Social SecurityPro
"SocialismPro
"Progressive TaxPro
"Racial ProfilingCon
"TortureCon
"War in AfghanistanCon
"War on TerrorCon
"WelfarePro

'Conservative' ones:
"Abortion Con
"Barack ObamaCon
"Civil UnionsCon
"Drug LegalizationCon
"GlobalizationCon
"Legalized ProstitutionCon

The issue with this is it boils these questions into a yes no dichotomy. Which makes it impossible to really say. For example, both a socialist and a classical liberal would be con to ObamaCare... but for totally different reasons. Thus with these positions it matters more why you are pro or con....

Agreed, it does matter a lot. My pro on gay marriage has nothing to do with equality, and my con on abortion has nothing to do with the right to life...
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

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6/30/2015 1:27:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 1:14:03 PM, kasmic wrote:
Just a few questions....

1: Goals

How should society be organized? Why? as opposed to?

2: Methods


What is the most appropriate way to achieve this goal? why? as opposed to?

Thanks for the questions. I'll answer them tomorrow (it's 2am and my energy levels aren't enough to do them justice.) :)
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

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6/30/2015 8:15:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 2:27:10 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
From a western point of view, most people might define you as a socialist if you'you're far-left and oppose capitalism.

But I'm not far left, and I oppose capitalism for reasons completely different from what socialists hold.
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

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6/30/2015 8:28:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 8:15:40 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 2:27:10 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
From a western point of view, most people might define you as a socialist if you'you're far-left and oppose capitalism.

But I'm not far left, and I oppose capitalism for reasons completely different from what socialists hold.

Oh sorry, I just thought that because of your political compass.
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6/30/2015 8:29:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 8:28:26 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:15:40 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 2:27:10 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
From a western point of view, most people might define you as a socialist if you'you're far-left and oppose capitalism.

But I'm not far left, and I oppose capitalism for reasons completely different from what socialists hold.

Oh sorry, I just thought that because of your political compass.

Also, do you support a near pure form of socialism? Or do you believe in some capitalist economic elements?
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6/30/2015 8:36:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 8:28:26 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:15:40 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 2:27:10 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
From a western point of view, most people might define you as a socialist if you'you're far-left and oppose capitalism.

But I'm not far left, and I oppose capitalism for reasons completely different from what socialists hold.

Oh sorry, I just thought that because of your political compass.

The political compass test is very weird for that... Apparently I'm just slightly right of debate_power...

I think the reason why it appears so is that the axes of the graph are logarithmic, so leftness on the scale is less elastic to the amount of government control you want as you go further to the left.

But anyway, even if someone put in 'strongly agree' for all the econ-related questions in the test, I wouldn't call him/her socialist... I think none of the questions really allow you to venture to that category. If you take the test, you'll see why :P
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

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6/30/2015 8:39:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 8:29:07 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:28:26 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:15:40 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 2:27:10 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
From a western point of view, most people might define you as a socialist if you'you're far-left and oppose capitalism.

But I'm not far left, and I oppose capitalism for reasons completely different from what socialists hold.

Oh sorry, I just thought that because of your political compass.

Also, do you support a near pure form of socialism? Or do you believe in some capitalist economic elements?

I believe in some capitalist economic elements.

See, I agree that market capitalism offers much economic benefits to mankind. I'm just concerned about the inequality caused and, more importantly, the moral implications. There are correctional mechanisms to deal with the former under the capitalist framework, but not the latter. I think capitalism has amplified the calls for more personal liberties, which from a moral POV is deleterious to society as individualism is embraced.
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
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6/30/2015 8:49:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 8:39:21 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:29:07 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:28:26 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:15:40 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 2:27:10 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
From a western point of view, most people might define you as a socialist if you'you're far-left and oppose capitalism.

But I'm not far left, and I oppose capitalism for reasons completely different from what socialists hold.

Oh sorry, I just thought that because of your political compass.

Also, do you support a near pure form of socialism? Or do you believe in some capitalist economic elements?

I believe in some capitalist economic elements.

See, I agree that market capitalism offers much economic benefits to mankind. I'm just concerned about the inequality caused and, more importantly, the moral implications. There are correctional mechanisms to deal with the former under the capitalist framework, but not the latter. I think capitalism has amplified the calls for more personal liberties, which from a moral POV is deleterious to society as individualism is embraced.

So would you say that you're a "democratic socialist" and that you support more government control over the economy? Democratic socialism I believe is a mix of Capitalist and Socialist economic elements.

Also, I would probably say you could classify as liberal or progressive, i'm not quite sure what the difference is though.
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6/30/2015 8:52:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 8:49:54 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:39:21 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:29:07 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:28:26 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:15:40 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 2:27:10 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
From a western point of view, most people might define you as a socialist if you'you're far-left and oppose capitalism.

But I'm not far left, and I oppose capitalism for reasons completely different from what socialists hold.

Oh sorry, I just thought that because of your political compass.

Also, do you support a near pure form of socialism? Or do you believe in some capitalist economic elements?

I believe in some capitalist economic elements.

See, I agree that market capitalism offers much economic benefits to mankind. I'm just concerned about the inequality caused and, more importantly, the moral implications. There are correctional mechanisms to deal with the former under the capitalist framework, but not the latter. I think capitalism has amplified the calls for more personal liberties, which from a moral POV is deleterious to society as individualism is embraced.

So would you say that you're a "democratic socialist" and that you support more government control over the economy? Democratic socialism I believe is a mix of Capitalist and Socialist economic elements.
I don't care that much about democracy. I'm fine with autocracy, plutocracy or any kind of government really, as long as they uphold moral principles and bring prosperity.
Also, I would probably say you could classify as liberal or progressive, i'm not quite sure what the difference is though.
Liberals prefer to spend the government's money, e.g. by creating extensive social programmes. Progressives place heavier emphasis on the regulating ability of the government, e.g. minimum wage.
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

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6/30/2015 8:59:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 8:52:02 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:49:54 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:39:21 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:29:07 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:28:26 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:15:40 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 2:27:10 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
From a western point of view, most people might define you as a socialist if you'you're far-left and oppose capitalism.

But I'm not far left, and I oppose capitalism for reasons completely different from what socialists hold.

Oh sorry, I just thought that because of your political compass.

Also, do you support a near pure form of socialism? Or do you believe in some capitalist economic elements?

I believe in some capitalist economic elements.

See, I agree that market capitalism offers much economic benefits to mankind. I'm just concerned about the inequality caused and, more importantly, the moral implications. There are correctional mechanisms to deal with the former under the capitalist framework, but not the latter. I think capitalism has amplified the calls for more personal liberties, which from a moral POV is deleterious to society as individualism is embraced.

So would you say that you're a "democratic socialist" and that you support more government control over the economy? Democratic socialism I believe is a mix of Capitalist and Socialist economic elements.
I don't care that much about democracy. I'm fine with autocracy, plutocracy or any kind of government really, as long as they uphold moral principles and bring prosperity.
Also, I would probably say you could classify as liberal or progressive, i'm not quite sure what the difference is though.
Liberals prefer to spend the government's money, e.g. by creating extensive social programmes. Progressives place heavier emphasis on the regulating ability of the government, e.g. minimum wage.

Or sorry, I should have said mixed economy rather than democratic socialism.
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6/30/2015 9:01:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 8:59:34 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:52:02 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:49:54 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:39:21 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:29:07 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:28:26 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:15:40 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 2:27:10 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
From a western point of view, most people might define you as a socialist if you'you're far-left and oppose capitalism.

But I'm not far left, and I oppose capitalism for reasons completely different from what socialists hold.

Oh sorry, I just thought that because of your political compass.

Also, do you support a near pure form of socialism? Or do you believe in some capitalist economic elements?

I believe in some capitalist economic elements.

See, I agree that market capitalism offers much economic benefits to mankind. I'm just concerned about the inequality caused and, more importantly, the moral implications. There are correctional mechanisms to deal with the former under the capitalist framework, but not the latter. I think capitalism has amplified the calls for more personal liberties, which from a moral POV is deleterious to society as individualism is embraced.

So would you say that you're a "democratic socialist" and that you support more government control over the economy? Democratic socialism I believe is a mix of Capitalist and Socialist economic elements.
I don't care that much about democracy. I'm fine with autocracy, plutocracy or any kind of government really, as long as they uphold moral principles and bring prosperity.
Also, I would probably say you could classify as liberal or progressive, i'm not quite sure what the difference is though.
Liberals prefer to spend the government's money, e.g. by creating extensive social programmes. Progressives place heavier emphasis on the regulating ability of the government, e.g. minimum wage.

Or sorry, I should have said mixed economy rather than democratic socialism.

Sure I support a mixed economy, but that's not really an ideology... By that I mean, all economies in the world are mixed. I come from the most capitalist economy, but even so, we enjoy quite a few publicly provided services.

And honestly, I don't think it covers the entirety of my views :P
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
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Response to conservative views on deforestation:
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6/30/2015 9:03:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 1:27:20 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 1:14:03 PM, kasmic wrote:
Just a few questions....

1: Goals

How should society be organized? Why? as opposed to?

2: Methods


What is the most appropriate way to achieve this goal? why? as opposed to?

Thanks for the questions. I'll answer them tomorrow (it's 2am and my energy levels aren't enough to do them justice.) :)
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6/30/2015 9:05:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 9:01:25 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:59:34 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:52:02 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:49:54 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:39:21 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:29:07 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:28:26 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/30/2015 8:15:40 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 2:27:10 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
From a western point of view, most people might define you as a socialist if you'you're far-left and oppose capitalism.

But I'm not far left, and I oppose capitalism for reasons completely different from what socialists hold.

Oh sorry, I just thought that because of your political compass.

Also, do you support a near pure form of socialism? Or do you believe in some capitalist economic elements?

I believe in some capitalist economic elements.

See, I agree that market capitalism offers much economic benefits to mankind. I'm just concerned about the inequality caused and, more importantly, the moral implications. There are correctional mechanisms to deal with the former under the capitalist framework, but not the latter. I think capitalism has amplified the calls for more personal liberties, which from a moral POV is deleterious to society as individualism is embraced.

So would you say that you're a "democratic socialist" and that you support more government control over the economy? Democratic socialism I believe is a mix of Capitalist and Socialist economic elements.
I don't care that much about democracy. I'm fine with autocracy, plutocracy or any kind of government really, as long as they uphold moral principles and bring prosperity.
Also, I would probably say you could classify as liberal or progressive, i'm not quite sure what the difference is though.
Liberals prefer to spend the government's money, e.g. by creating extensive social programmes. Progressives place heavier emphasis on the regulating ability of the government, e.g. minimum wage.

Or sorry, I should have said mixed economy rather than democratic socialism.

Sure I support a mixed economy, but that's not really an ideology... By that I mean, all economies in the world are mixed. I come from the most capitalist economy, but even so, we enjoy quite a few publicly provided services.

And honestly, I don't think it covers the entirety of my views :P

Yeah I know, i'm just trying to grasp a better sense of your economic views to see what ideology you might belong to. Like I said before, you seem either liberal or progressive.
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6/30/2015 9:08:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 9:03:15 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/30/2015 1:27:20 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 1:14:03 PM, kasmic wrote:
Just a few questions....

1: Goals

How should society be organized? Why? as opposed to?

2: Methods


What is the most appropriate way to achieve this goal? why? as opposed to?

Thanks for the questions. I'll answer them tomorrow (it's 2am and my energy levels aren't enough to do them justice.) :)

Don't worry, I remember your questions and I'm in the process of drafting a response... Replying to triangle's post just takes less time and effort, hence why I did that first :P But glad to see you're online.
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6/30/2015 9:22:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 9:20:08 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
Would Confucianism be considered a Political Ideology (give it's social philosophies)

Like I said in the OP, I do consider it my ideology and always will. It's just that I'd like to see if there's a Western category I come close to fitting in.
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

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6/30/2015 9:25:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 9:22:35 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 9:20:08 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
Would Confucianism be considered a Political Ideology (give it's social philosophies)

Like I said in the OP, I do consider it my ideology and always will. It's just that I'd like to see if there's a Western category I come close to fitting in.

I guess you would be categorized as a liberal or a Social Democrat by Western standards.
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6/30/2015 10:11:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 9:25:11 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 9:22:35 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 9:20:08 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
Would Confucianism be considered a Political Ideology (give it's social philosophies)

Like I said in the OP, I do consider it my ideology and always will. It's just that I'd like to see if there's a Western category I come close to fitting in.

I guess you would be categorized as a liberal or a Social Democrat by Western standards.

I disagree with a lot of principles of liberalism, actually, and of social democracy as well...
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

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6/30/2015 10:13:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 10:11:36 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 9:25:11 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 9:22:35 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 9:20:08 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
Would Confucianism be considered a Political Ideology (give it's social philosophies)

Like I said in the OP, I do consider it my ideology and always will. It's just that I'd like to see if there's a Western category I come close to fitting in.

I guess you would be categorized as a liberal or a Social Democrat by Western standards.

I disagree with a lot of principles of liberalism, actually, and of social democracy as well...

I have a similar issue, I can't pinpoint my views to a specific western ideology.
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6/30/2015 10:18:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/30/2015 10:13:36 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 10:11:36 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 9:25:11 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 9:22:35 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/30/2015 9:20:08 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
Would Confucianism be considered a Political Ideology (give it's social philosophies)

Like I said in the OP, I do consider it my ideology and always will. It's just that I'd like to see if there's a Western category I come close to fitting in.

I guess you would be categorized as a liberal or a Social Democrat by Western standards.

I disagree with a lot of principles of liberalism, actually, and of social democracy as well...

I have a similar issue, I can't pinpoint my views to a specific western ideology.

Yay, we're in the same boat.
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

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