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7/14/2015 6:02:05 PM
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What is your opinion on it, now that it's been agreed?
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7/14/2015 8:00:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I definitely think that it's a positive development. It puts Iran's nuclear program under surveillance and it places multiple checks on their stockpile of enriched uranium and their centrifuges. It is especially important when we consider that the alternative is a nuclear Iran or war... at least the way I see it.
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7/14/2015 9:30:47 PM
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Do you remember how people used to say that Obama was a Muslim because his father was Muslim and he went to a Muslim school when he was a kid?
After making that deal, I think we know that he really was!
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7/14/2015 9:45:17 PM
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At 7/14/2015 9:30:47 PM, xus00HAY wrote:
Do you remember how people used to say that Obama was a Muslim because his father was Muslim and he went to a Muslim school when he was a kid?
After making that deal, I think we know that he really was!

Obama was baptized as a Christian in 1988. And by that logic, Marco Rubio is Mormon because he went to the Mormon church as a kid. But no serious person thinks that logic is true.
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7/14/2015 10:10:59 PM
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The only deterrent to the use of nuclear weapons is mutual assured destruction (MAD)
It has worked for the last 70 years. When it won't work is when we are not sure who has one because that country would have a huge advantage according to Nash's game theory!
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7/14/2015 10:54:07 PM
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At 7/14/2015 9:30:47 PM, xus00HAY wrote:
Do you remember how people used to say that Obama was a Muslim because his father was Muslim and he went to a Muslim school when he was a kid?
After making that deal, I think we know that he really was!

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7/15/2015 12:23:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I think it sucks. The terms only allow for IAEA inspectors to go to declared facilities, the terms allow the Iranians to continue to enrich uranium, and the deal only lasts for 10 or 15 years. The Obama administration isn't taking the threat of the bomb seriously. The Iranians can't be trusted with mastery over the nuclear fuel cycle. Any enrichment under Iranian control is a serious threat to America, and it's something that's worth a war to prevent.

The Iranians don't need to enrich uranium to operate a civilian nuclear program. Enriched uranium can be bought from the LEU reserve at Angarsk.
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7/15/2015 12:49:52 AM
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At 7/14/2015 9:30:47 PM, xus00HAY wrote:
Do you remember how people used to say that Obama was a Muslim because his father was Muslim and he went to a Muslim school when he was a kid?
After making that deal, I think we know that he really was!

Are you a Muslim?
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7/15/2015 4:16:49 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Honest opinion, I think its just a fluke..

Americans being friendly with Muslim

The World Bank giving money instead of taking it .. in Greece

There must be a Full Moon out, loll. Because everything seems upside down today.

This is too much good news. I might need a hard drink to stop feelin giddy.
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7/15/2015 4:26:48 AM
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At 7/15/2015 12:23:22 AM, Death23 wrote:

I think it sucks.

The Obama administration isn't taking the threat of the bomb seriously. Any enrichment under Iranian control is a serious threat to America, and it's something that's worth a war to prevent.

I agree but it wouldn't really matter if America went sky-high. There's Europe, and Asia and Brazil. All the happening cities like Mumbai HK & Rio are outside the West.

The Iranians don't need to enrich uranium to operate a civilian nuclear program. Enriched uranium can be bought from the LEU reserve at Angarsk.

Its actually, impossible to make a nuclear bomb with just enriched uranium. There are too many revolving components that need to fall in to place.
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7/15/2015 10:10:52 AM
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At 7/14/2015 6:02:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
What is your opinion on it, now that it's been agreed?

There's a 107 page document that holds all of its intricacies. I don't think any of us will ever know the full extent of the deal, lol. I know this was a useless comment and that we can still get the main idea(s) of the deal, but I thought like posting this. Lol.
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7/15/2015 10:13:50 AM
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At 7/15/2015 10:10:52 AM, ben2974 wrote:
At 7/14/2015 6:02:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
What is your opinion on it, now that it's been agreed?

There's a 107 page document that holds all of its intricacies. I don't think any of us will ever know the full extent of the deal, lol. I know this was a useless comment and that we can still get the main idea(s) of the deal, but I thought like posting this. Lol.

109 pages*

Excuse me.
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7/15/2015 3:43:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/14/2015 6:02:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
What is your opinion on it, now that it's been agreed?
Pundits are split and I haven't read the agreement so have yet to formulate opinion.
This deal has been worked on for many years I suspect that it hasn't been the oversight of the IAEA that's dominated the issue, but how will Iran will actually participate in the World economy when sanctions are lifted.
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7/15/2015 5:21:59 PM
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I think people who say a nuclear armed Iran is a direct threat to the USA are exaggerating. The worst thing it would cause is a possible arms race in the regions which can lead to a dangerous increase in the number of nuclear states.

But I don't think there is any reason to believe that a nuclear Iran would be any more irresponsible than Russia, China, Pakistan, India, or any other nuclear country.

It would in fact increase the balance of power in the region, which has been overwhelmingly tilted in favor of countries like Saudi Arabia - which is possibly the origin of practically every modern salafist and extremist Islamic movements - and Israel - towards which most people in the Middle East has a huge grievance.

The United States should learn that if they want to be committed to a stable Middle East they can't just do everything that their "unconditional allies" tell them to do but rather seek to establish a working balance of power system.

Besides, if you think that the US government should be doing something to oppose ISIS, then you must know that it's impossible to do it effectively without an alliance with Iran, which is the only country in the region with enough political will and ability to do so. You cant oppose both Iran and ISIS at the same time, that would be like opposing both Nazi Germany and the USSR in WW2.
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7/15/2015 8:56:00 PM
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At 7/15/2015 5:21:59 PM, joepbr wrote:
I think people who say a nuclear armed Iran is a direct threat to the USA are exaggerating. The worst thing it would cause is a possible arms race in the regions which can lead to a dangerous increase in the number of nuclear states.

But I don't think there is any reason to believe that a nuclear Iran would be any more irresponsible than Russia, China, Pakistan, India, or any other nuclear country.

It would in fact increase the balance of power in the region, which has been overwhelmingly tilted in favor of countries like Saudi Arabia - which is possibly the origin of practically every modern salafist and extremist Islamic movements - and Israel - towards which most people in the Middle East has a huge grievance.

The United States should learn that if they want to be committed to a stable Middle East they can't just do everything that their "unconditional allies" tell them to do but rather seek to establish a working balance of power system.

Besides, if you think that the US government should be doing something to oppose ISIS, then you must know that it's impossible to do it effectively without an alliance with Iran, which is the only country in the region with enough political will and ability to do so. You cant oppose both Iran and ISIS at the same time, that would be like opposing both Nazi Germany and the USSR in WW2.

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It is all about Israel. There is so much lobby money floating around the US to protect Israel's interests. Just follow the money.

The fundamentalist conservative stance is that it is a raw deal, however they have painted themselves in a corner by stipulating a no enrichment stance. They would never be able to negotiate anything with Iran with that condition, which would guarantee a war with Iran. That would be the only way that it could be stopped 100% guaranteed.

If GWB couldn't get them to stop enriching uranium then Ted Cruz sure the h would not be able to get them to stop with out war. As you point out, war with Iran decreases Shia influence in the region, which is already the minority and increases radical Sunni, those who would be happy to use a nuke against us.

Might as well negotiate deal, get inspections back and functional in the country and use intel to see if they are playing nice in the sandbox.
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7/15/2015 9:20:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I think Iran getting nukes would be a great excuse for USA to leave the middle east alone. We need to get out of the middle east oil business, raping 2nd and 3rd world resources has consequences.
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7/16/2015 7:39:37 AM
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At 7/14/2015 6:02:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
What is your opinion on it, now that it's been agreed?

Negative.

Iran won't keep it's deal.
Iran is getting arms deal and is likely to support ISIS and continue to attack US troops in the Region.
Doesn't curtail Nuclear Program, Iran will just be another NK and Pakistan.
It will cause arms race in Middle East.
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7/16/2015 7:40:44 AM
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At 7/14/2015 9:45:17 PM, Contra wrote:
At 7/14/2015 9:30:47 PM, xus00HAY wrote:
Do you remember how people used to say that Obama was a Muslim because his father was Muslim and he went to a Muslim school when he was a kid?
After making that deal, I think we know that he really was!

Obama was baptized as a Christian in 1988. And by that logic, Marco Rubio is Mormon because he went to the Mormon church as a kid. But no serious person thinks that logic is true.

I think it's a better argument to make that he's an anti-colonial Socialist that's set out on destroying America then that.
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7/16/2015 11:10:42 AM
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At 7/16/2015 7:39:37 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 7/14/2015 6:02:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
What is your opinion on it, now that it's been agreed?

Negative.

Iran won't keep it's deal.
Iran is getting arms deal and is likely to support ISIS and continue to attack US troops in the Region.
Doesn't curtail Nuclear Program, Iran will just be another NK and Pakistan.
It will cause arms race in Middle East.

Iran + ISIS? No. ISIS operates by itself and is despised by every terrorist organization...
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7/16/2015 12:05:59 PM
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At 7/14/2015 6:02:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
What is your opinion on it, now that it's been agreed?

For a relatively small delay in them achieving the bomb, you've given the regime money to stabilize itself, re-arm itself, and likely escalated other nations in the area (such as Saudi Arabia) desire to gain nuclear capability as well.

Additionally, now that the embargo will be removed, once all the US corporations move in there will be resistance to re-implement an embargo if it is deemed valid to do so.
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7/16/2015 12:11:36 PM
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At 7/16/2015 11:10:42 AM, ben2974 wrote:
At 7/16/2015 7:39:37 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 7/14/2015 6:02:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
What is your opinion on it, now that it's been agreed?

Negative.

Iran won't keep it's deal.
Iran is getting arms deal and is likely to support ISIS and continue to attack US troops in the Region.
Doesn't curtail Nuclear Program, Iran will just be another NK and Pakistan.
It will cause arms race in Middle East.

Iran + ISIS? No. ISIS operates by itself and is despised by every terrorist organization...

CIA docs tell otherswise.
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7/16/2015 12:12:43 PM
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At a glance, it's a good step forward. At least now that there's some sort of framework in place. Not to mention the economic sanctions that have now been lifted, allowing Iran to progress.
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7/16/2015 1:01:52 PM
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At 7/14/2015 6:02:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
What is your opinion on it, now that it's been agreed?

Perhaps you can tell me this: why is this deal called "Obama's Legacy"? Did he call it that or someone else?
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7/16/2015 1:06:22 PM
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At 7/15/2015 5:21:59 PM, joepbr wrote:

The United States should learn that if they want to be committed to a stable Middle East they can't just do everything that their "unconditional allies" tell them to do but rather seek to establish a working balance of power system.

I couldn't agree more...
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7/16/2015 1:12:53 PM
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At 7/16/2015 7:39:37 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 7/14/2015 6:02:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
What is your opinion on it, now that it's been agreed?

Negative.

Iran won't keep it's deal.
Iran is getting arms deal and is likely to support ISIS and continue to attack US troops in the Region.

Iran wouldn't help ISIS, it would continue to fight them. The Sunni/ Shia divide is one reason why Iran and ISIS hate each other.

However, with the arms deal, Iran may now provide more weaponry to Hezbollah and Hamas, both of which threaten Israel, or at least its potential expansion.

But I don't know if the arms deal is a terrible thing in itself. We provide massive quantities of funds and weaponry to governments in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Israel, and other governments, all of which may foster instability in the region. For instance, a lot of the weapons we gave to Iraq have fallen into the hands of ISIS, I read in The Fiscal Times that it included about 40 Abrams tanks and several hundred million dollars of weaponry. And we have been providing some support to the Syrian rebels that sometimes become porous with ISIS itself.

Doesn't curtail Nuclear Program, Iran will just be another NK and Pakistan.
It will cause arms race in Middle East.
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7/17/2015 2:48:19 AM
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At 7/16/2015 12:11:36 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 7/16/2015 11:10:42 AM, ben2974 wrote:
At 7/16/2015 7:39:37 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 7/14/2015 6:02:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
What is your opinion on it, now that it's been agreed?

Negative.

Iran won't keep it's deal.
Iran is getting arms deal and is likely to support ISIS and continue to attack US troops in the Region.
Doesn't curtail Nuclear Program, Iran will just be another NK and Pakistan.
It will cause arms race in Middle East.

Iran + ISIS? No. ISIS operates by itself and is despised by every terrorist organization...

CIA docs tell otherswise.

Do the CIA docs consider the Iranian Shi'ite militants fighting ISIS?
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7/17/2015 3:11:27 AM
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At 7/16/2015 12:11:36 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 7/16/2015 11:10:42 AM, ben2974 wrote:
At 7/16/2015 7:39:37 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 7/14/2015 6:02:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
What is your opinion on it, now that it's been agreed?

Negative.

Iran won't keep it's deal.
Iran is getting arms deal and is likely to support ISIS and continue to attack US troops in the Region.
Doesn't curtail Nuclear Program, Iran will just be another NK and Pakistan.
It will cause arms race in Middle East.

Iran + ISIS? No. ISIS operates by itself and is despised by every terrorist organization...

CIA docs tell otherswise.

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7/17/2015 4:02:47 AM
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At 7/16/2015 7:39:37 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 7/14/2015 6:02:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
What is your opinion on it, now that it's been agreed?

Negative.

Iran won't keep it's deal.
Iran is getting arms deal and is likely to support ISIS and continue to attack US troops in the Region.
Doesn't curtail Nuclear Program, Iran will just be another NK and Pakistan.
It will cause arms race in Middle East.

The entire deal is about verification, not truth.

Iran is getting arms deals? Which deals do you speak of exactly that pertain to this Nuclear Deal?

They wont support ISIS, Lannan, they literally despise ISIS. Iran is pretty much a theocratic nation, but anyone who has looked into them knows they do not support ISIS. Saudi, Iran, Pakistan, India, they all hate ISIS. They are all fighting ISIS.

US troops don';t need to be in that war anyways. They're dealing with themselves. We keep getting threads and attacked because we keep tipping our toes in their water and walk like we own the place. We freaking invaded their land and invaded a wrong nation, have killed innocents, etc. America has not made a good name for itself. It's not our war.

It wont cause an arm race. Do you even know what the deal was about? If they wanted nukes, they would have just built a nuke. The deal was to prevent them from making nukes for at least ten years.

At 7/14/2015 9:30:47 PM, xus00HAY wrote:
Do you remember how people used to say that Obama was a Muslim because his father was Muslim and he went to a Muslim school when he was a kid?
After making that deal, I think we know that he really was!

That makes no sense. The most nonsensical thing here.

At 7/16/2015 12:11:36 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 7/16/2015 11:10:42 AM, ben2974 wrote:

Iran + ISIS? No. ISIS operates by itself and is despised by every terrorist organization...

CIA docs tell otherswise.

Either you are lying, unbeknown or not, or they are lying, or you found false information or fell to confirmation bias and found a Right wing site saying it happened. They are not fighting together. They are literally, as we speak, fighting them. Everyone there hates ISIS and the perfect reason why all those nations can take on ISIS themselves without the US needing to intervene.