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mystery_man43
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7/19/2015 6:48:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
This webpage lists all candidates from most liberal to most conservative. Read here: http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com... Do you agree with this? I find it hard to believe that Jeb Bush is more conservative than Scott Walker. Maybe Jeb rigged the list. X-D Also, how is Gary Johnson more conservative than Chris Christie? He's a Libertarian! Another thing is that Ted Cruz and Rick Santorum should be the most conservative according to ontheissues.org. I don't know, what are your thoughts?
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7/20/2015 2:05:19 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I consider Libertarians far right, but I divide right in left by statist to anti statist. The more statist you are, the further left I put you on the scale. Unfortunately both Democrats and Republicans are both extremely statist at the moment. If the list was created by somebody like me, all the libertarian candidates would be on the far right.
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7/20/2015 11:09:32 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
My list, from most liberal to least:
1t. Sanders (D)
1t. Stein (G)
3. O'Malley (D)
4. Clinton (D)
5. Chafee (D)
6. Webb (D)
7. Trump (R)
8. Pataki (R)
9. Graham (R)
10t. Huckabee (R)
10t. Santorum (R)
12. Christie (R)
13. Bush (R)
14. Carson (R)
15. Fiorina (R)
16. Perry (R)
17. Paul (R)
18t. Walker (R)
18t. Rubio (R)
20. Jindal (R)
21. Cruz (R)
16kadams
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7/20/2015 12:40:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 11:09:32 AM, TN05 wrote:
My list, from most liberal to least:
1t. Sanders (D)
1t. Stein (G)
3. O'Malley (D)
4. Clinton (D)
5. Chafee (D)
6. Webb (D)
7. Trump (R)
8. Pataki (R)
9. Graham (R)
10t. Huckabee (R)
10t. Santorum (R)
12. Christie (R)
13. Bush (R)
14. Carson (R)
15. Fiorina (R)
16. Perry (R)
17. Paul (R)
18t. Walker (R)
18t. Rubio (R)
20. Jindal (R)
21. Cruz (R)

Santorum is more conservative than Christie, and Paul has an extremely right wing voting record... And Rubio is kinda moderate because of immigration. I would flip him and Paul on the list.
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7/20/2015 12:57:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 12:40:30 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 7/20/2015 11:09:32 AM, TN05 wrote:
My list, from most liberal to least:
1t. Sanders (D)
1t. Stein (G)
3. O'Malley (D)
4. Clinton (D)
5. Chafee (D)
6. Webb (D)
7. Trump (R)
8. Pataki (R)
9. Graham (R)
10t. Huckabee (R)
10t. Santorum (R)
12. Christie (R)
13. Bush (R)
14. Carson (R)
15. Fiorina (R)
16. Perry (R)
17. Paul (R)
18t. Walker (R)
18t. Rubio (R)
20. Jindal (R)
21. Cruz (R)

Santorum is more conservative than Christie

In terms of social policy, yes. In terms of economic policy (which I weigh higher), he's always been moderate. That's why he and Huckabee are tied - they are social conservatives who are tolerant or even supportive of big government.

and Paul has an extremely right wing voting record... And Rubio is kinda moderate because of immigration. I would flip him and Paul on the list.

Rubio and Paul are a lot closer on immigration than you might think. I rank Rubio a bit higher because he's not nearly as squishy on foreign policy and Cuba.
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7/20/2015 4:29:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 12:57:14 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 7/20/2015 12:40:30 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 7/20/2015 11:09:32 AM, TN05 wrote:
My list, from most liberal to least:
1t. Sanders (D)
1t. Stein (G)
3. O'Malley (D)
4. Clinton (D)
5. Chafee (D)
6. Webb (D)
7. Trump (R)
8. Pataki (R)
9. Graham (R)
10t. Huckabee (R)
10t. Santorum (R)
12. Christie (R)
13. Bush (R)
14. Carson (R)
15. Fiorina (R)
16. Perry (R)
17. Paul (R)
18t. Walker (R)
18t. Rubio (R)
20. Jindal (R)
21. Cruz (R)

Santorum is more conservative than Christie

In terms of social policy, yes. In terms of economic policy (which I weigh higher), he's always been moderate. That's why he and Huckabee are tied - they are social conservatives who are tolerant or even supportive of big government.

Kinda. The only thing he is liberal on that I can think of is the minimum wage. Huckabee is protectionist, which = cancer


and Paul has an extremely right wing voting record... And Rubio is kinda moderate because of immigration. I would flip him and Paul on the list.

Rubio and Paul are a lot closer on immigration than you might think. I rank Rubio a bit higher because he's not nearly as squishy on foreign policy and Cuba.

I am going based off of the Nate Silver rankings, XD
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https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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7/20/2015 5:36:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 4:29:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 7/20/2015 12:57:14 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 7/20/2015 12:40:30 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 7/20/2015 11:09:32 AM, TN05 wrote:
My list, from most liberal to least:
1t. Sanders (D)
1t. Stein (G)
3. O'Malley (D)
4. Clinton (D)
5. Chafee (D)
6. Webb (D)
7. Trump (R)
8. Pataki (R)
9. Graham (R)
10t. Huckabee (R)
10t. Santorum (R)
12. Christie (R)
13. Bush (R)
14. Carson (R)
15. Fiorina (R)
16. Perry (R)
17. Paul (R)
18t. Walker (R)
18t. Rubio (R)
20. Jindal (R)
21. Cruz (R)

Santorum is more conservative than Christie

In terms of social policy, yes. In terms of economic policy (which I weigh higher), he's always been moderate. That's why he and Huckabee are tied - they are social conservatives who are tolerant or even supportive of big government.

Kinda. The only thing he is liberal on that I can think of is the minimum wage. Huckabee is protectionist, which = cancer

Santorum is very, very vocally opposed to more libertarian elements in the GOP. Huckabee is definitely the more liberal of the two... aside from protectionism (which is absurd, I agree) he's staunchly opposed to entitlement reform and once endorsed cap and trade. He seems like a nice enough guy but he's not conservative economically.

and Paul has an extremely right wing voting record... And Rubio is kinda moderate because of immigration. I would flip him and Paul on the list.

Rubio and Paul are a lot closer on immigration than you might think. I rank Rubio a bit higher because he's not nearly as squishy on foreign policy and Cuba.

I am going based off of the Nate Silver rankings, XD

Ah, Nate Silver is one of the few media liberals I don't actually mind. His polls are usually very accurate and fairly unbiased.
mystery_man43
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7/20/2015 9:15:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 11:09:32 AM, TN05 wrote:
My list, from most liberal to least:
1t. Sanders (D)
1t. Stein (G)
3. O'Malley (D)
4. Clinton (D)
5. Chafee (D)
6. Webb (D)
7. Trump (R)
8. Pataki (R)
9. Graham (R)
10t. Huckabee (R)
10t. Santorum (R)
12. Christie (R)
13. Bush (R)
14. Carson (R)
15. Fiorina (R)
16. Perry (R)
17. Paul (R)
18t. Walker (R)
18t. Rubio (R)
20. Jindal (R)
21. Cruz (R)
Santorum, according to OnTheIssues, would be the most conservative candidate alongside Cruz; however, I have ranked Perry, Jindal, Huckabee, Santorum, and Cruz as tied as the most conservative candidate. Here's my list:

Most Liberal to Most Conservative

1) (tie) Sanders (D)
1) (tie) Stein (G)
2) Clinton (D)
3) Chafee (D)
4) Webb (D)
5) O'Malley (D)
6) Johnson (L)
7) Christie (R)
8) Pataki (R)
9) Fiorina (R)
10) Graham (R)
11) Bush (R)
12) Rubio (R)
13) Carson (R)
14) Walker (R)
15) Trump (R)
16) Paul (R)
17) (tie) Perry (R)
17) (tie) Jindal (R)
17) (tie) Huckabee (R)
17) (tie) Santorum (R)
17) (tie) Cruz (R)

Subcategories:
1) The Five: Jindal, Huckabee, Santorum, Cruz, and Perry (All have Southern backgrounds and are strict social Conservatives as well as Bible-believing Christians)
2) The Socialists: Sanders, Stein
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TN05
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7/20/2015 10:35:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 9:15:34 PM, mystery_man43 wrote:
At 7/20/2015 11:09:32 AM, TN05 wrote:
My list, from most liberal to least:
1t. Sanders (D)
1t. Stein (G)
3. O'Malley (D)
4. Clinton (D)
5. Chafee (D)
6. Webb (D)
7. Trump (R)
8. Pataki (R)
9. Graham (R)
10t. Huckabee (R)
10t. Santorum (R)
12. Christie (R)
13. Bush (R)
14. Carson (R)
15. Fiorina (R)
16. Perry (R)
17. Paul (R)
18t. Walker (R)
18t. Rubio (R)
20. Jindal (R)
21. Cruz (R)
Santorum, according to OnTheIssues, would be the most conservative candidate alongside Cruz; however, I have ranked Perry, Jindal, Huckabee, Santorum, and Cruz as tied as the most conservative candidate. Here's my list:

That's a bit generous of OnTheIssues.

Most Liberal to Most Conservative

1) (tie) Sanders (D)
1) (tie) Stein (G)
2) Clinton (D)
3) Chafee (D)
4) Webb (D)
5) O'Malley (D)

Webb is far more conservative than O'Malley, especially on gun rights.

6) Johnson (L)
7) Christie (R)

How is Christie, a staunch pro-life fiscal conservative, less conservative than Pataki, who raised taxes, supports abortion and raised taxes?

8) Pataki (R)
9) Fiorina (R)
10) Graham (R)
11) Bush (R)
12) Rubio (R)
13) Carson (R)
14) Walker (R)
15) Trump (R)

lolno. Trump is literally the most liberal Republican in the race - you could make a very compelling argument he's more liberal than Jim Webb. Who else is endorsing universal healthcare, has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars and given support to Democratic politicians, and has endorsed gun control and abortion?

16) Paul (R)
17) (tie) Perry (R)
17) (tie) Jindal (R)
17) (tie) Huckabee (R)

WAY too high. What other Republican has endorsed cap and trade, unapologetically increased the size and spending of government while increasing taxes, opposes free trade? He's only marginally more conservative than Pataki.

17) (tie) Santorum (R)
17) (tie) Cruz (R)

Subcategories:
1) The Five: Jindal, Huckabee, Santorum, Cruz, and Perry (All have Southern backgrounds and are strict social Conservatives as well as Bible-believing Christians)
2) The Socialists: Sanders, Stein
Contra
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7/21/2015 12:21:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 4:29:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:

Kinda. The only thing he is liberal on that I can think of is the minimum wage. Huckabee is protectionist, which = cancer

That made me laugh, that's great xD


and Paul has an extremely right wing voting record... And Rubio is kinda moderate because of immigration. I would flip him and Paul on the list.

Rubio and Paul are a lot closer on immigration than you might think. I rank Rubio a bit higher because he's not nearly as squishy on foreign policy and Cuba.

I am going based off of the Nate Silver rankings, XD

Where'd you find this...
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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7/21/2015 12:51:28 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 12:21:02 AM, Contra wrote:
At 7/20/2015 4:29:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:

Kinda. The only thing he is liberal on that I can think of is the minimum wage. Huckabee is protectionist, which = cancer

That made me laugh, that's great xD


;D


and Paul has an extremely right wing voting record... And Rubio is kinda moderate because of immigration. I would flip him and Paul on the list.

Rubio and Paul are a lot closer on immigration than you might think. I rank Rubio a bit higher because he's not nearly as squishy on foreign policy and Cuba.

I am going based off of the Nate Silver rankings, XD

Where'd you find this...

skip to the graph
http://fivethirtyeight.com...
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross
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7/21/2015 9:44:35 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
1) (tie) Sanders (D)
1) (tie) Stein (G)
2) Clinton (D)
3) Chafee (D)
4) Webb (D)
5) O'Malley (D)
6) Johnson (L)
Up to here, I'm 100% sure. The rest of my list, there's room for discussion except for "The Five" subcategory. Those candidates are definitely the most conservative.
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7/21/2015 8:09:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 12:51:28 AM, 16kadams wrote:

skip to the graph
http://fivethirtyeight.com...

Thank you.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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7/21/2015 10:49:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 8:09:47 PM, Contra wrote:
At 7/21/2015 12:51:28 AM, 16kadams wrote:

skip to the graph
http://fivethirtyeight.com...

Thank you.

I like Rubio, Kaisich, and Jeb in that order.
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7/21/2015 11:11:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
lol @ people suggesting that Huckabee and Santorum on the same level as Pataki. Pataki is practically a blue dog democrat; those two are extreme enough on social issues alone that they qualify on the far conservative side of the spectrum.
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7/21/2015 11:13:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 11:11:59 PM, Daltonian wrote:
lol @ people suggesting that Huckabee and Santorum on the same level as Pataki. Pataki is practically a blue dog democrat; those two are extreme enough on social issues alone that they qualify on the far conservative side of the spectrum.
Not to be rude, but why do you care this much about America's candidates?
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7/21/2015 11:21:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 11:13:27 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 7/21/2015 11:11:59 PM, Daltonian wrote:
lol @ people suggesting that Huckabee and Santorum on the same level as Pataki. Pataki is practically a blue dog democrat; those two are extreme enough on social issues alone that they qualify on the far conservative side of the spectrum.
Not to be rude, but why do you care this much about America's candidates?
Canada has strong and irreversible ties with the US. Whether I like it or not, the way their elections go usually have a larger influence on my life than some of the federal elections that take place in my country. I also lived in the US for six years of my childhood and have sort of a connection to it - my grandfather was actually a US citizen.

Granted, this is not something that is exclusive to the US. I also like to follow elections in the UK and Australia, when they do occur. And, yeah, of course I follow Canadian politics, too - I'm a very adamant provincial liberal supporter and federal NDP supporter; it's just that I find American politics more amusing.
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7/21/2015 11:25:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 11:21:32 PM, Daltonian wrote:
Canada has strong and irreversible ties with the US. Whether I like it or not, the way their elections go usually have a larger influence on my life than some of the federal elections that take place in my country. I also lived in the US for six years of my childhood and have sort of a connection to it - my grandfather was actually a US citizen.

Granted, this is not something that is exclusive to the US. I also like to follow elections in the UK and Australia, when they do occur. And, yeah, of course I follow Canadian politics, too - I'm a very adamant provincial liberal supporter and federal NDP supporter; it's just that I find American politics more amusing.
I see. I just think that folks outside of that country should generally refrain from following their politics, apart from key events which can affect the world.

As for the politics being amusing, I agree. I also can't think of any country with as ridiculously stupid politicians and supporters as there are in America. It's perfect entertainment for us, though. :)