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smelisox
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7/20/2015 8:45:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
The French President Hollande has proposed to make Europe one country, the United States of Europe. Do you think this could work? It would be a country comprised of the 18 eurozone countries.
Mirza
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7/20/2015 8:59:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Yes, it could. In the future, perhaps every European country but Russia will be part of this. The name should not be US of Europe, though.
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7/20/2015 9:01:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 8:59:02 AM, Mirza wrote:
Yes, it could. In the future, perhaps every European country but Russia will be part of this. The name should not be US of Europe, though.

It's the name eurosceptics (especially the UK, who are literally raging over the EU) are calling it I think, it has no official name. It's only going to include the 18 euro countries for now, if it works, because of the common currency (maybe some countries like Kosovo who use the Euro could join).
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7/20/2015 9:03:48 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 9:01:45 AM, smelisox wrote:
It's the name eurosceptics (especially the UK, who are literally raging over the EU) are calling it I think, it has no official name. It's only going to include the 18 euro countries for now, if it works, because of the common currency
They can call it what they want. I prefer a different name.

(maybe some countries like Kosovo who use the Euro could join).
No way. Kosovo has a long way to go.
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7/20/2015 9:09:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Also, the bad thing about this is either extreme left or right-wing ideologies having the upper hand. It would be horrible. That's why Hollande, a typical left-wing nutjob, suggesting this isn't quite the good news one might want, but he's not the one who'll engineer the project on his own, thankfully.
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7/20/2015 9:14:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 9:09:53 AM, Mirza wrote:
Also, the bad thing about this is either extreme left or right-wing ideologies having the upper hand. It would be horrible. That's why Hollande, a typical left-wing nutjob, suggesting this isn't quite the good news one might want, but he's not the one who'll engineer the project on his own, thankfully.

He's not a left-wing nutjob. You seem to have very stilted views of other countries and uninformed opinions on them.
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7/20/2015 9:17:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 9:14:46 AM, smelisox wrote:
He's not a left-wing nutjob.
A socialist of the extreme kind isn't exactly that sane, sorry.

You seem to have very stilted views of other countries and uninformed opinions on them.
Huh, what does my view of their president have to do with their country? I like all European countries, FYI.
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7/20/2015 9:20:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 9:17:08 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 7/20/2015 9:14:46 AM, smelisox wrote:
He's not a left-wing nutjob.
A socialist of the extreme kind isn't exactly that sane, sorry.

You seem to have very stilted views of other countries and uninformed opinions on them.
Huh, what does my view of their president have to do with their country? I like all European countries, FYI.

He's not an extremist, he's a very average socialist.
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7/20/2015 9:23:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 9:20:39 AM, smelisox wrote:
He's not an extremist, he's a very average socialist.
Ok. Anyhow, where's the parallel between disliking a person and the country he is from?
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7/20/2015 9:24:33 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 9:23:15 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 7/20/2015 9:20:39 AM, smelisox wrote:
He's not an extremist, he's a very average socialist.
Ok. Anyhow, where's the parallel between disliking a person and the country he is from?

None in the case of france, but your views on Obama and the US (albeit slightly justifiable in places) are often just wrong and conceited.
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7/20/2015 9:26:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 9:24:33 AM, smelisox wrote:
None in the case of france, but your views on Obama and the US (albeit slightly justifiable in places) are often just wrong and conceited.
That's like... exceptionally irrelevant. By the way, let's not mention America in a thread dedicated to the holy project of a European state. We don't want to dirt the place up.
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7/20/2015 9:28:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 9:26:57 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 7/20/2015 9:24:33 AM, smelisox wrote:
None in the case of france, but your views on Obama and the US (albeit slightly justifiable in places) are often just wrong and conceited.
That's like... exceptionally irrelevant. By the way, let's not mention America in a thread dedicated to the holy project of a European state. We don't want to dirt the place up.

See, that kind of shite.
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7/20/2015 9:29:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 9:28:08 AM, smelisox wrote:
See, that kind of shite.
Don't defend America here. It's a disgusting place, full of wackos, whose very foundation is hatred of your own country.
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7/20/2015 9:30:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 9:29:11 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 7/20/2015 9:28:08 AM, smelisox wrote:
See, that kind of shite.
Don't defend America here. It's a disgusting place, full of wackos, whose very foundation is hatred of your own country.

Have you been? It's full of nice people. It just has some bad states and a corrupt government, like every country in the EU (including Bosnia).
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7/20/2015 9:33:10 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 9:30:31 AM, smelisox wrote:
Have you been? It's full of nice people.
It's also full of people who are the most degenerate you can imagine. No better than the vile supporters of ISIS or other groups who distort world peace and harmony.

America, as well as a huge amount of Americans, are disgusting. Exceptionally filthy scum you will hardly find elsewhere. They are the worst kind of "Europeans" (notice how they avoid using that noble word to describe their inferior selves); and the reason so many here dislike them is because seeing them is akin to looking into a mirror and only seeing the bad things about yourself, inside and out.
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7/20/2015 2:16:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 9:33:10 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 7/20/2015 9:30:31 AM, smelisox wrote:
Have you been? It's full of nice people.
It's also full of people who are the most degenerate you can imagine. No better than the vile supporters of ISIS or other groups who distort world peace and harmony.

America, as well as a huge amount of Americans, are disgusting. Exceptionally filthy scum you will hardly find elsewhere. They are the worst kind of "Europeans" (notice how they avoid using that noble word to describe their inferior selves); and the reason so many here dislike them is because seeing them is akin to looking into a mirror and only seeing the bad things about yourself, inside and out.

Yet all your products are either Chinese or American. Sorry :(
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7/20/2015 2:19:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 2:16:52 PM, smelisox wrote:
Yet all your products are either Chinese or American. Sorry :(
I'm pretty sure you're an American in sheep's clothing.
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7/20/2015 5:55:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 8:45:26 AM, smelisox wrote:
The French President Hollande has proposed to make Europe one country, the United States of Europe. Do you think this could work? It would be a country comprised of the 18 eurozone countries.

That is the way it is headed. Many were skeptical that the EU would have lasted this long, but with the latest Greek crisis, they have shown resiliency.

It however is a very different beast being in an economic union with a military co-op versus ceding military and foreign matters to a central federal government. I think in 50 years the EU will have largely made that transition. From a US standpoint, it would be nice to have strong European military that can handle itself from Russia and other regional threats. NATO should really be 70% Europe and 30% US not vice versa.
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7/20/2015 6:01:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 5:55:52 PM, slo1 wrote:
It however is a very different beast being in an economic union with a military co-op versus ceding military and foreign matters to a central federal government. I think in 50 years the EU will have largely made that transition. From a US standpoint, it would be nice to have strong European military that can handle itself from Russia and other regional threats. NATO should really be 70% Europe and 30% US not vice versa.
NATO shouldn't exist, and Europe should withdraw almost all support for America in the future. I can't imagine a unified European military being in NATO rather than a standalone force. It's disgusting to even think about.
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7/20/2015 6:13:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 6:01:49 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 7/20/2015 5:55:52 PM, slo1 wrote:
It however is a very different beast being in an economic union with a military co-op versus ceding military and foreign matters to a central federal government. I think in 50 years the EU will have largely made that transition. From a US standpoint, it would be nice to have strong European military that can handle itself from Russia and other regional threats. NATO should really be 70% Europe and 30% US not vice versa.
NATO shouldn't exist, and Europe should withdraw almost all support for America in the future. I can't imagine a unified European military being in NATO rather than a standalone force. It's disgusting to even think about.

I agree and why Europe pushes their safety and protection to the US is disgusting. Quite honestly, their economic models does not allow as high % spending on defense. That fact that the US pays for 70% of NATO and has to jump in regional wars such as Bosnia means that US citizens who don't have the same level of safety nets are subsidizing the safety nets that European citizens have in lieu of defense spending.

All those Europeans that take August off for summer vacation should skip it and go back to work rather than lounging around waiting for the US to cover their butts should the shat hit the fan.
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7/20/2015 6:15:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 6:13:56 PM, slo1 wrote:
I agree and why Europe pushes their safety and protection to the US is disgusting. Quite honestly, their economic models does not allow as high % spending on defense. That fact that the US pays for 70% of NATO and has to jump in regional wars such as Bosnia means that US citizens who don't have the same level of safety nets are subsidizing the safety nets that European citizens have in lieu of defense spending.

All those Europeans that take August off for summer vacation should skip it and go back to work rather than lounging around waiting for the US to cover their butts should the shat hit the fan.
Don't you worry about us. Just get your degenerate, dirty soldiers out of Europe, and end all cooperation with us, and we'll thrive without you.
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7/20/2015 6:16:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 6:15:17 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 7/20/2015 6:13:56 PM, slo1 wrote:
I agree and why Europe pushes their safety and protection to the US is disgusting. Quite honestly, their economic models does not allow as high % spending on defense. That fact that the US pays for 70% of NATO and has to jump in regional wars such as Bosnia means that US citizens who don't have the same level of safety nets are subsidizing the safety nets that European citizens have in lieu of defense spending.

All those Europeans that take August off for summer vacation should skip it and go back to work rather than lounging around waiting for the US to cover their butts should the shat hit the fan.
Don't you worry about us. Just get your degenerate, dirty soldiers out of Europe, and end all cooperation with us, and we'll thrive without you.

lol, if that were true the leaders of the European nations would be asking us to leave.
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7/20/2015 6:17:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 6:16:14 PM, slo1 wrote:
lol, if that were true the leaders of the European nations would be asking us to leave.
They're abusing you. There's a slow push for a unified Europe, which will obviously be safer to pursue with American protection in the meanwhile.
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7/21/2015 2:47:29 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 6:17:17 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 7/20/2015 6:16:14 PM, slo1 wrote:
lol, if that were true the leaders of the European nations would be asking us to leave.
They're abusing you. There's a slow push for a unified Europe, which will obviously be safer to pursue with American protection in the meanwhile.

Thank god you won't be in any unified europe.
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7/23/2015 7:05:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 8:45:26 AM, smelisox wrote:
The French President Hollande has proposed to make Europe one country, the United States of Europe. Do you think this could work? It would be a country comprised of the 18 eurozone countries.

It could work if the different members put aside their petty differences and the EU adopted 1 or 2 official languages (English or French).
"Here the ways of men part: if you wish to strive for peace of soul and pleasure, then believe; if you wish to be a devotee of truth, then inquire." F. Nietzsche.

"Freedom is always freedom for the one who thinks differently." R. Luxemburg.

"The principle of the masochistic left is that, in general, two blacks make a white, half a loaf is the same as no bread." G. Orwell, paraphrase.

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7/23/2015 7:16:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 9:26:57 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 7/20/2015 9:24:33 AM, smelisox wrote:
None in the case of france, but your views on Obama and the US (albeit slightly justifiable in places) are often just wrong and conceited.
That's like... exceptionally irrelevant. By the way, let's not mention America in a thread dedicated to the holy project of a European state. We don't want to dirt the place up.

Wait a second, Mirza. Aren't you against "artificial" nations? Wouldn't a United States of Europe be just as "artificial" as the glorious USA? Isn't it inconsistent of you to support the EU when, for instance, you hate Serbs for no reason?
"Here the ways of men part: if you wish to strive for peace of soul and pleasure, then believe; if you wish to be a devotee of truth, then inquire." F. Nietzsche.

"Freedom is always freedom for the one who thinks differently." R. Luxemburg.

"The principle of the masochistic left is that, in general, two blacks make a white, half a loaf is the same as no bread." G. Orwell, paraphrase.

"Islamophobia is a word created by fascists, used by cowards, to manipulate morons". Andrew Cummins.
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7/23/2015 7:39:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/23/2015 7:16:23 PM, HououinKyouma wrote:
Wait a second, Mirza. Aren't you against "artificial" nations? Wouldn't a United States of Europe be just as "artificial" as the glorious USA? Isn't it inconsistent of you to support the EU when, for instance, you hate Serbs for no reason?
A European Federation would have nation states as its constituent parts, so it would not be artificial as it would not be a Republic like America, where there is no sense of true nationality whatsoever. People would still primarily identify by their national states.

FYI I love Serbs who aren't ideologically screwed.

What a dumbass.
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7/23/2015 7:42:38 PM
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And Hououin, I'm pretty sure you've been seriously damaged by my comments on your dysfunctional countrymen, including yourself, so how about you take a nice walk and step away from me. :D