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7/20/2015 9:30:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
He continues to surge in the polls, despite controversial remarks, and seems to be doing well so far. I think, though, that it's fair to note that Herman Cain was also doing well right about now last cycle, and then totally flopped. But, this article makes an interesting case for Trump's feasibility: https://www.yahoo.com...

What are your thoughts?
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7/20/2015 9:41:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 9:30:49 PM, bsh1 wrote:
He continues to surge in the polls, despite controversial remarks, and seems to be doing well so far. I think, though, that it's fair to note that Herman Cain was also doing well right about now last cycle, and then totally flopped. But, this article makes an interesting case for Trump's feasibility: https://www.yahoo.com...

What are your thoughts?

He can't walk back the stuff that he's said at this point; his recognizability cripples him in this regard, because it makes everything that he does more memorable to the average person.
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7/21/2015 1:30:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Most recent poll puts Trump with almost twice as much support as his nearest rival: http://www.washingtonpost.com...
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7/21/2015 1:33:58 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 1:30:25 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Most recent poll puts Trump with almost twice as much support as his nearest rival: http://www.washingtonpost.com...

Think about it when he wins. When he wins that final debate and the crowd cheers, he turns to his opponent and goes, "You're fired".
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7/21/2015 1:35:12 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 1:33:58 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 7/21/2015 1:30:25 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Most recent poll puts Trump with almost twice as much support as his nearest rival: http://www.washingtonpost.com...

Think about it when he wins. When he wins that final debate and the crowd cheers, he turns to his opponent and goes, "You're fired".

Rofl...
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7/21/2015 1:35:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/20/2015 9:30:49 PM, bsh1 wrote:
He continues to surge in the polls, despite controversial remarks, and seems to be doing well so far. I think, though, that it's fair to note that Herman Cain was also doing well right about now last cycle, and then totally flopped. But, this article makes an interesting case for Trump's feasibility: https://www.yahoo.com...

What are your thoughts?

are there any large groups of Democrats who like him.

I like the guy, but I just don't think he stands much of a chance. He has little control of his image, and the fact he isn't for sale actually significantly hurts campaign contributions.
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7/21/2015 1:36:10 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 1:35:12 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/21/2015 1:33:58 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 7/21/2015 1:30:25 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Most recent poll puts Trump with almost twice as much support as his nearest rival: http://www.washingtonpost.com...

Think about it when he wins. When he wins that final debate and the crowd cheers, he turns to his opponent and goes, "You're fired".

Rofl...

Glorious :')
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7/21/2015 9:16:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
According to Gallup polls, about 50% of Republicans view Trump favourably while nearly 40% of Republicans view him unfavourably. [http://www.gallup.com...] A recent poll by The Economist / YouGov shows similar results: 49% of Republicans view him favourably while 43% view him unfavourably. [https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net...] Trump's candidacy is controversial enough amongst Republicans; he wouldn't be a viable candidate in a national election.

Trump's name recognition, media coverage, and a crowded GOP field probably account for most of his current support over other GOP frontrunners.
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7/21/2015 9:24:41 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
He's one of those candidates who seems ideal for office until they are asked "How do you plan on doing that?" Then he's stumped.
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7/21/2015 10:24:07 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 9:24:41 AM, AdamEsk wrote:
He's one of those candidates who seems ideal for office until they are asked "How do you plan on doing that?" Then he's stumped.

Plans are for the wonks. Leaders are visionary.
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7/21/2015 10:41:33 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Plans are for the wonks. Leaders are visionary.

Has anybody seen an interview with Trump where he actually explains how he is going to have Mexico pay for a wall along the southern border? Or how he is going to convince China to give us back our jobs? That's why I'm still skeptical to put him in my top three candidates.
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7/21/2015 11:38:30 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
As a Democrat and an atheist I can only hope and pray that Trump wins the Republican nomination.
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7/21/2015 12:15:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 10:41:33 AM, AdamEsk wrote:
Plans are for the wonks. Leaders are visionary.

Has anybody seen an interview with Trump where he actually explains how he is going to have Mexico pay for a wall along the southern border? Or how he is going to convince China to give us back our jobs? That's why I'm still skeptical to put him in my top three candidates.

He probably has no plan. It's likely just empty promises on issues he isn't capable of handling.
IMO the best way to reduce Chinese imports (and thus keep jobs in the U.S.) would be to impose a massive tariff on Chinese goods so that even a Hershey's bar from China costs $7.50, effectively ending all demand for Chinese goods. Of course, they'd also cut off all trade with us.
Another option (a much more reasonable one) would be to get China to impose a substantial minimum wage (raising the price of Chinese goods) or to lower the minimum wage in the United States (lowering the price of American goods) so that they don't have the advantage of cheapness over us anymore.
As for Mexico, the United States would likely have to build, man, and maintain the wall by itself.
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7/21/2015 12:33:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 1:33:58 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 7/21/2015 1:30:25 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Most recent poll puts Trump with almost twice as much support as his nearest rival: http://www.washingtonpost.com...

Think about it when he wins. When he wins that final debate and the crowd cheers, he turns to his opponent and goes, "You're fired".

Lol he can't do that anymore. NBC fired him from The Celebrity Apprentice.
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7/21/2015 3:13:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
He probably has no plan. It's likely just empty promises on issues he isn't capable of handling.
IMO the best way to reduce Chinese imports (and thus keep jobs in the U.S.) would be to impose a massive tariff on Chinese goods so that even a Hershey's bar from China costs $7.50, effectively ending all demand for Chinese goods. Of course, they'd also cut off all trade with us.
Another option (a much more reasonable one) would be to get China to impose a substantial minimum wage (raising the price of Chinese goods) or to lower the minimum wage in the United States (lowering the price of American goods) so that they don't have the advantage of cheapness over us anymore.
As for Mexico, the United States would likely have to build, man, and maintain the wall by itself.

That's the main thing I do not like about Trump, he thinks his money and influence can get him farther than it really will. Odds are, he'd probably pay Mexico himself and then they build the wall!
On getting jobs back, he may push for a stricter welfare system that promotes finding a job fast and increases domestic productivity. That being said, he hasn't said anything which makes me believe he'll get schooled in any debate.
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7/21/2015 6:02:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 1:30:25 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Most recent poll puts Trump with almost twice as much support as his nearest rival: http://www.washingtonpost.com...

I'm willing to bet $100 dollars to $10 that Trump doesn't win the presidency, and I'd lay $50 to $10 that that he doesn't even win the Republican nomination.
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7/21/2015 9:24:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 12:15:21 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 7/21/2015 10:41:33 AM, AdamEsk wrote:
Plans are for the wonks. Leaders are visionary.

Has anybody seen an interview with Trump where he actually explains how he is going to have Mexico pay for a wall along the southern border? Or how he is going to convince China to give us back our jobs? That's why I'm still skeptical to put him in my top three candidates.

He probably has no plan. It's likely just empty promises on issues he isn't capable of handling.

He's proposed three policies: in order, they are:
A) Get Mexico to build a border fence for us. The stupidity of this idea speaks for itself.
B) Impose tariffs. This is a stupid policy for two reasons: tariffs are stupid, and the GOP base (especially the free-market, neoliberal majority) are staunch free traders. Neither the business or libertarian wing will get behind it.
C) Universal health care. Yes, he supports that.

Three policies. Three dumb policies. The guy is a joke.
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7/21/2015 9:37:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
No, Trump is not a viable candidate. Anyone who is well versed in political affairs knows that he is not the right one to lead the country. He insults minorities and tries to desecrate what John McCain went through in Vietnam.

http://www.salon.com...
Based upon what Donald Trump has "heard," Obama was a horrible student and got accepted into both Columbia University and Harvard Law School, ONLY, because he happens to be African American. Barrack Obama went on to graduate magna cum laude from Harvard Law School. This, combined with his racist remarks towards Mexican immigrants, just serves to show that Trump is a racist. Plain and simple. I don't know how I could ever let the country that I love fall into the hands of the type of person we have been striving to defeat since April 9, 1865. Yet, he still continues to lead in the polls of the GOP. Why is this?

Reply if you can answer my pressing question.
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7/21/2015 9:39:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Trump is the absolutely best candidate possible at the conceptual level. This person makes me love America more and more day by day.
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7/21/2015 9:53:14 PM
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At 7/21/2015 9:39:56 PM, Mirza wrote:
Trump is the absolutely best candidate possible at the conceptual level.
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7/21/2015 9:56:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 9:37:29 PM, TheProphett wrote:
No, Trump is not a viable candidate. Anyone who is well versed in political affairs knows that he is not the right one to lead the country. He insults minorities and tries to desecrate what John McCain went through in Vietnam.

http://www.salon.com...
Based upon what Donald Trump has "heard," Obama was a horrible student and got accepted into both Columbia University and Harvard Law School, ONLY, because he happens to be African American. Barrack Obama went on to graduate magna cum laude from Harvard Law School. This, combined with his racist remarks towards Mexican immigrants, just serves to show that Trump is a racist. Plain and simple. I don't know how I could ever let the country that I love fall into the hands of the type of person we have been striving to defeat since April 9, 1865. Yet, he still continues to lead in the polls of the GOP. Why is this?

Reply if you can answer my pressing question.

Like him or not, Donald Trump is refreshing. He won't put up with the media/press' bulls*t, and Americans wanna see a tough businessman in office. By the way, you're a fool if you think he actually doesn't think McCain is a war hero. Also, in the context of his speech, Trump has some validity to his immigration argument. However, his solution to the problem is incorrect.
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7/21/2015 10:00:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 8:58:52 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
If it's questionable whether someone is a serious candidate, they are not a serious candidate.

Hello mate :)
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7/21/2015 10:05:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 10:00:01 PM, fazz wrote:
At 7/21/2015 8:58:52 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
If it's questionable whether someone is a serious candidate, they are not a serious candidate.

Hello mate :)

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7/21/2015 10:06:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 12:15:21 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 7/21/2015 10:41:33 AM, AdamEsk wrote:
Plans are for the wonks. Leaders are visionary.

Has anybody seen an interview with Trump where he actually explains how he is going to have Mexico pay for a wall along the southern border? Or how he is going to convince China to give us back our jobs? That's why I'm still skeptical to put him in my top three candidates.

He probably has no plan. It's likely just empty promises on issues he isn't capable of handling.
IMO the best way to reduce Chinese imports (and thus keep jobs in the U.S.) would be to impose a massive tariff on Chinese goods so that even a Hershey's bar from China costs $7.50, effectively ending all demand for Chinese goods. Of course, they'd also cut off all trade with us.

I can't tell if you were being serious -- if you would really support substantive tariffs on imports.

Another option (a much more reasonable one) would be to get China to impose a substantial minimum wage (raising the price of Chinese goods) or to lower the minimum wage in the United States (lowering the price of American goods) so that they don't have the advantage of cheapness over us anymore.
As for Mexico, the United States would likely have to build, man, and maintain the wall by itself.
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7/21/2015 10:08:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 9:56:46 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 7/21/2015 9:37:29 PM, TheProphett wrote:
No, Trump is not a viable candidate. Anyone who is well versed in political affairs knows that he is not the right one to lead the country. He insults minorities and tries to desecrate what John McCain went through in Vietnam.

http://www.salon.com...
Based upon what Donald Trump has "heard," Obama was a horrible student and got accepted into both Columbia University and Harvard Law School, ONLY, because he happens to be African American. Barrack Obama went on to graduate magna cum laude from Harvard Law School. This, combined with his racist remarks towards Mexican immigrants, just serves to show that Trump is a racist. Plain and simple. I don't know how I could ever let the country that I love fall into the hands of the type of person we have been striving to defeat since April 9, 1865. Yet, he still continues to lead in the polls of the GOP. Why is this?

Reply if you can answer my pressing question.

Like him or not, Donald Trump is refreshing. He won't put up with the media/press' bulls*t, and Americans wanna see a tough businessman in office. By the way, you're a fool if you think he actually doesn't think McCain is a war hero. Also, in the context of his speech, Trump has some validity to his immigration argument. However, his solution to the problem is incorrect.

Right. He just "dislikes" people who were captured. Do you know what I dislike? Tough business men, but not just ANY tough businessman. The "tough business man" who was born into wealth, yet calls himself the example of the American Dream, and a true American Entrepreneur. All of these labels signify the struggles the average american went through to become a great business man. Donald Trump never struggled. In fact, he hasn't experienced struggle before. People like him because they need a true classic American Man to look up to. But there are also people who see that what he has surrounding him, is a facade.
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7/21/2015 10:16:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/21/2015 10:06:00 PM, Contra wrote:
At 7/21/2015 12:15:21 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 7/21/2015 10:41:33 AM, AdamEsk wrote:
Plans are for the wonks. Leaders are visionary.

Has anybody seen an interview with Trump where he actually explains how he is going to have Mexico pay for a wall along the southern border? Or how he is going to convince China to give us back our jobs? That's why I'm still skeptical to put him in my top three candidates.

He probably has no plan. It's likely just empty promises on issues he isn't capable of handling.
IMO the best way to reduce Chinese imports (and thus keep jobs in the U.S.) would be to impose a massive tariff on Chinese goods so that even a Hershey's bar from China costs $7.50, effectively ending all demand for Chinese goods. Of course, they'd also cut off all trade with us.

I can't tell if you were being serious -- if you would really support substantive tariffs on imports.

It'd probably ruin us more than it would China, which is why a more moderate option is proposed below.

Another option (a much more reasonable one) would be to get China to impose a substantial minimum wage (raising the price of Chinese goods) or to lower the minimum wage in the United States (lowering the price of American goods) so that they don't have the advantage of cheapness over us anymore.
As for Mexico, the United States would likely have to build, man, and maintain the wall by itself.
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7/21/2015 10:56:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I have full confidence that if Trump is the Republican nominee, the Dems can nominate Caitlyn Jenner and win in an electoral landslide.

Even if the dems decide to nominate an avocado, though the race would be tough, I'm still predicting a close democratic edge.
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