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8/3/2015 6:58:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/3/2015 4:51:37 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
On what issue is your stance most firm on?

For me, it's abortion(Con) and Socialism(Pro).

Limited democracy and free speech.
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8/3/2015 7:30:55 AM
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D1cks.

On a serious note, there was only ever one issue that I was passionate about. The rest I am fairly indifferent towards.
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8/3/2015 7:31:34 AM
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OH and paper clips!

I'm firm about those.
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8/4/2015 11:14:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/3/2015 4:51:37 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
On what issue is your stance most firm on?

For me, it's abortion(Con) and Socialism(Pro).

Free Market Capitalism and Yellow Journalism (Mainstream Media)
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8/4/2015 11:35:09 PM
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Abortion (pro), gay marriage (pro), gender equality (pro), global warming and other conservation efforts (pro), and the fight for higher minimum wage (pro).
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8/4/2015 11:46:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 11:35:09 PM, annaliese wrote:
Abortion (pro), gay marriage (pro), gender equality (pro), global warming and other conservation efforts (pro), and the fight for higher minimum wage (pro).

You are most firm on higher minimum wage? Really?
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8/5/2015 12:26:43 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/3/2015 4:51:37 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
On what issue is your stance most firm on?

For me, it's abortion(Con) and Socialism(Pro).

Such an excellent question.

For me, cruelty against life. In its many manifestations, from bugs to humans, cruelty has never been more beneficial than it has been deleterious.
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8/5/2015 12:57:19 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/4/2015 11:46:25 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 8/4/2015 11:35:09 PM, annaliese wrote:
Abortion (pro), gay marriage (pro), gender equality (pro), global warming and other conservation efforts (pro), and the fight for higher minimum wage (pro).

You are most firm on higher minimum wage? Really?

Yeah, I just think that people ought to have a higher minimum wage. I understand that it is going to be different in certain parts of the United States (because New York is a more expensive place than Louisiana), but I still think that the overall minimum wage should be raised.
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8/5/2015 1:16:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Yeah, I just think that people ought to have a higher minimum wage. I understand that it is going to be different in certain parts of the United States (because New York is a more expensive place than Louisiana), but I still think that the overall minimum wage should be raised.

Okay I follow. Do you view a "minimum wage job" as a starting point for teens or something most people live off of?
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8/5/2015 1:21:32 AM
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Okay I follow. Do you view a "minimum wage job" as a starting point for teens or something most people live off of?

Honestly, it should be a starting point for teens.
But since there have been more and more adults in these positions, they need a higher wage.
Think of the single mom raising three kids on a McDonald's salary. She needs a higher minimum wage to support her family.
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8/5/2015 1:25:21 AM
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Think of the single mom raising three kids on a McDonald's salary. She needs a higher minimum wage to support her family.

What happens when minimum wage is raised and that McDonalds can't afford to keep everyone they originally had? Does she just hope they take her kids into account and don't send her packing?
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8/5/2015 12:45:02 PM
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What happens when minimum wage is raised and that McDonalds can't afford to keep everyone they originally had? Does she just hope they take her kids into account and don't send her packing?

The idea that McDonald's doesn't have enough money to pay their workers a bit more per hour is complete crap. They make $28 billion a year. 1.7 million people work for McDonalds.
If each person made $12 an hour, that would cost McDonalds $20,400,000 out of their $28 billion budget.
This leaves plenty of money for the excessive and expensive advertising they do.
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8/5/2015 1:56:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/5/2015 12:45:02 PM, annaliese wrote:
What happens when minimum wage is raised and that McDonalds can't afford to keep everyone they originally had? Does she just hope they take her kids into account and don't send her packing?

The idea that McDonald's doesn't have enough money to pay their workers a bit more per hour is complete crap. They make $28 billion a year. 1.7 million people work for McDonalds.
If each person made $12 an hour, that would cost McDonalds $20,400,000 out of their $28 billion budget.
This leaves plenty of money for the excessive and expensive advertising they do.

I think it's pretty funny that you chose this as something you're firm about. You just compared one hours wage expense for ALL McD's employees, including franchises, to the overall total yearly revenue just for CORPORATE locations (90% of locations are franchised).

So that $20.4 million dollars is PER HOUR, but that is still a completely invalid calculation.

You need to separate corporate and franchise, determine profile margin, calculate impact on taxes and benefits, impact on wages above minimum (ripple affects), and a host of other things to even get close to an informed opinion.
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8/5/2015 7:01:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The idea that McDonald's doesn't have enough money to pay their workers a bit more per hour is complete crap. They make $28 billion a year. 1.7 million people work for McDonalds.
If each person made $12 an hour, that would cost McDonalds $20,400,000 out of their $28 billion budget.
This leaves plenty of money for the excessive and expensive advertising they do.

Your miscalculation shows that you have a more emotional approach to this issue than practical (which is respectable but unfortunately wrong). The labor expense alone for McDonalds is substantially more than you claimed, and it will only skyrocket if Minimum Wage is increased. That "plenty" of money they have will be severely reduced and they will still need to cover the rest of their $20 billion in operating expenses! I guarantee you the CEOs first act to save money is through lay offs that could have been prevented if you left minimum wage alone (or if I had my way, abolish it completely).
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8/5/2015 7:31:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/3/2015 1:50:13 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 8/3/2015 4:51:37 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
On what issue is your stance most firm on?

Erectile Dysfunction

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8/5/2015 8:20:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/5/2015 12:45:02 PM, annaliese wrote:
What happens when minimum wage is raised and that McDonalds can't afford to keep everyone they originally had? Does she just hope they take her kids into account and don't send her packing?

The idea that McDonald's doesn't have enough money to pay their workers a bit more per hour is complete crap. They make $28 billion a year. 1.7 million people work for McDonalds.
If each person made $12 an hour, that would cost McDonalds $20,400,000 out of their $28 billion budget.
This leaves plenty of money for the excessive and expensive advertising they do.

Where did you get this calculation?
1.7 million times $12/hr x 52 weeks= $1,060,800,000.
That is $1 billion dollars for each hour worked per week. If each person worked 30 hours, that is $30 billion, and that is a loss.
In fact, since you have to factor in payroll and FUTA/SUTA taxes, it is more like 25 hours a week is the break even point, and that is company wide, including managers, supervisors, and CEOs.

Further, I have no idea where you got this number from, so I don't know if you are referring to revenue or profit, but I do know that you did not factor in other expenses, such as building leases, rent, property taxes, utilities, food, and so forth in your equation.
Looking at a quick google search, it appears you are using revenue, but that is global revenue, and not all employees, say in china, would be paid the same actual American dollar amount for work. It also appears that profit of MCD's is about $4-6 billion. So, at $6 billion, that means the wages of each employee could be increased $67.87 per WEEK, which is only about $1.60 if working 40 hours. Hardly the $12 you purport that leaves "plenty" of money.

Regardless, using your math, it looks like you believe the minimum wage should be increased, even if that means everyone works less. Guess what? If I work 25 hours at $12/hr or 40 hrs at $9/hr, I make more money in the latter, which means you clearly don't care about the income of the worker, just the wage.

And, as axman has said, this figure is likely off.
Since most McDonalds are franchises, those numbers are not reported, except for the royalties earned. However, I would wager that the 1.7 million workers are corporate/franchise wide, while the earnings of MCD corporate are only for corporate.

If you want to know the amount McDonalds make across the board, find the operational revenue from the corporate stores and find the royalties and, likely, divide that number by 11% to find the revenues of all franchise stores.
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8/5/2015 9:22:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/3/2015 4:51:37 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
On what issue is your stance most firm on?

For me, it's abortion(Con) and Socialism(Pro).

Pro: Gods don't exist. Gender equality. Animal rights.
Con: animal cruelty.
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8/5/2015 11:06:57 PM
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Where did you get this calculation?
1.7 million times $12/hr x 52 weeks= $1,060,800,000.
That is $1 billion dollars for each hour worked per week. If each person worked 30 hours, that is $30 billion, and that is a loss.
In fact, since you have to factor in payroll and FUTA/SUTA taxes, it is more like 25 hours a week is the break even point, and that is company wide, including managers, supervisors, and CEOs.

Further, I have no idea where you got this number from, so I don't know if you are referring to revenue or profit, but I do know that you did not factor in other expenses, such as building leases, rent, property taxes, utilities, food, and so forth in your equation.
Looking at a quick google search, it appears you are using revenue, but that is global revenue, and not all employees, say in china, would be paid the same actual American dollar amount for work. It also appears that profit of MCD's is about $4-6 billion. So, at $6 billion, that means the wages of each employee could be increased $67.87 per WEEK, which is only about $1.60 if working 40 hours. Hardly the $12 you purport that leaves "plenty" of money.

Regardless, using your math, it looks like you believe the minimum wage should be increased, even if that means everyone works less. Guess what? If I work 25 hours at $12/hr or 40 hrs at $9/hr, I make more money in the latter, which means you clearly don't care about the income of the worker, just the wage.

And, as axman has said, this figure is likely off.
Since most McDonalds are franchises, those numbers are not reported, except for the royalties earned. However, I would wager that the 1.7 million workers are corporate/franchise wide, while the earnings of MCD corporate are only for corporate.

If you want to know the amount McDonalds make across the board, find the operational revenue from the corporate stores and find the royalties and, likely, divide that number by 11% to find the revenues of all franchise stores.

Yup, yup, yup. Okay, I completely screwed up the calculation, and didn't bother going in depth. Congratulations, you called me out on it. I'm not even going to be a bad sport about it, because I could've done a lot more work but chose not to (which was a bad mistake).
Yeah, I take emotional approaches to issues. This being one of them.
The McDonalds thing was just an example which some of you guys shut down (clap clap for you), but I overall think an increase in minimum wage would be a good idea.
I'm not saying that all places should immediately increase their minimum wage to $15 an hour. Obviously, that would cause extreme chaos, and yeah, a loss of profit. But it needs to steadily increase.

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8/6/2015 12:05:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/5/2015 11:06:57 PM, annaliese wrote:
I'm not saying that all places should immediately increase their minimum wage to $15 an hour. Obviously, that would cause extreme chaos, and yeah, a loss of profit. But it needs to steadily increase.

Well, I don't believe it does and I would opt for abolishing it altogether. But there are some pretty good debates here that you can learn a lot from. You can do a search:

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Here's a couple:

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This guy is economically literate and takes the Pro position.
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I'm in a debate now taking the Pro position as an intellectual exercise:

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