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jimtimmy8
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8/15/2015 9:08:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
"Life, liberty, and free contraception"

- The Modern Left's Conception of the Declaration of Independence and Rights
LiberalProlifer
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8/16/2015 12:43:57 AM
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At 8/15/2015 9:08:44 PM, jimtimmy8 wrote:
"Life, liberty, and free contraception"


- The Modern Left's Conception of the Declaration of Independence and Rights

Contraception is a right.
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8/16/2015 2:24:43 AM
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At 8/16/2015 12:43:57 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 8/15/2015 9:08:44 PM, jimtimmy8 wrote:
"Life, liberty, and free contraception"


- The Modern Left's Conception of the Declaration of Independence and Rights

Contraception is a right.

Where does this "right" come from?
LiberalProlifer
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8/16/2015 2:29:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/16/2015 2:24:43 AM, jimtimmy8 wrote:
At 8/16/2015 12:43:57 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 8/15/2015 9:08:44 PM, jimtimmy8 wrote:
"Life, liberty, and free contraception"


- The Modern Left's Conception of the Declaration of Independence and Rights

Contraception is a right.



Where does this "right" come from?

That is a seperate issue. The FACT remains that I have the right to MY body.
Salemdidit
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8/16/2015 2:35:28 AM
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At 8/16/2015 2:29:20 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:24:43 AM, jimtimmy8 wrote:
At 8/16/2015 12:43:57 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 8/15/2015 9:08:44 PM, jimtimmy8 wrote:
"Life, liberty, and free contraception"


- The Modern Left's Conception of the Declaration of Independence and Rights

Contraception is a right.



Where does this "right" come from?

That is a seperate issue. The FACT remains that I have the right to MY body.

You do. Why does that entail that the populace has to pay for you to have safe sex?
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8/16/2015 2:41:22 AM
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At 8/16/2015 12:43:57 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 8/15/2015 9:08:44 PM, jimtimmy8 wrote:
"Life, liberty, and free contraception"


- The Modern Left's Conception of the Declaration of Independence and Rights

Contraception is a right.

Is abortion a right?
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LiberalProlifer
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8/16/2015 2:41:53 AM
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At 8/16/2015 2:35:28 AM, Salemdidit wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:29:20 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:24:43 AM, jimtimmy8 wrote:
At 8/16/2015 12:43:57 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 8/15/2015 9:08:44 PM, jimtimmy8 wrote:
"Life, liberty, and free contraception"


- The Modern Left's Conception of the Declaration of Independence and Rights

Contraception is a right.



Where does this "right" come from?

That is a seperate issue. The FACT remains that I have the right to MY body.

You do. Why does that entail that the populace has to pay for you to have safe sex?

Liker most conservatives, you only care about money, not people. I have the right to my body.
Salemdidit
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8/16/2015 2:44:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/16/2015 2:41:53 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:35:28 AM, Salemdidit wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:29:20 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
That is a seperate issue. The FACT remains that I have the right to MY body.

You do. Why does that entail that the populace has to pay for you to have safe sex?

Liker most conservatives, you only care about money, not people. I have the right to my body.

I never even said I was a conservative. I'm merely asking, why does you having a right to your body = you having a right to contraceptive?
LiberalProlifer
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8/16/2015 2:48:28 AM
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At 8/16/2015 2:44:06 AM, Salemdidit wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:41:53 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:35:28 AM, Salemdidit wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:29:20 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
That is a seperate issue. The FACT remains that I have the right to MY body.

You do. Why does that entail that the populace has to pay for you to have safe sex?

Liker most conservatives, you only care about money, not people. I have the right to my body.

I never even said I was a conservative. I'm merely asking, why does you having a right to your body = you having a right to contraceptive?

Your views on contraception are very conservative. So youi are saying that low income women should be forced to give birth?
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8/16/2015 2:51:16 AM
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At 8/16/2015 2:48:28 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:44:06 AM, Salemdidit wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:41:53 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:35:28 AM, Salemdidit wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:29:20 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
That is a seperate issue. The FACT remains that I have the right to MY body.

You do. Why does that entail that the populace has to pay for you to have safe sex?

Liker most conservatives, you only care about money, not people. I have the right to my body.

I never even said I was a conservative. I'm merely asking, why does you having a right to your body = you having a right to contraceptive?

Your views on contraception are very conservative. So you are saying that low income women should be forced to give birth?

No, I'm asking you why a right to your body entails you to contraceptives.
LiberalProlifer
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8/16/2015 2:55:16 AM
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At 8/16/2015 2:51:16 AM, Salemdidit wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:48:28 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:44:06 AM, Salemdidit wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:41:53 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:35:28 AM, Salemdidit wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:29:20 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
That is a seperate issue. The FACT remains that I have the right to MY body.

You do. Why does that entail that the populace has to pay for you to have safe sex?

Liker most conservatives, you only care about money, not people. I have the right to my body.

I never even said I was a conservative. I'm merely asking, why does you having a right to your body = you having a right to contraceptive?

Your views on contraception are very conservative. So you are saying that low income women should be forced to give birth?

No, I'm asking you why a right to your body entails you to contraceptives.

That's the way it is. You cannot force women to conceive.
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8/16/2015 3:13:29 AM
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At 8/16/2015 2:55:16 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
That's the way it is. You cannot force women to conceive.

Aren't you pro-life?
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8/16/2015 3:18:12 AM
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At 8/16/2015 3:13:29 AM, Salemdidit wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:55:16 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
That's the way it is. You cannot force women to conceive.

Aren't you pro-life?

Yes. Prolifers can support contraceptive rights.
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8/16/2015 3:19:23 AM
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At 8/16/2015 3:18:12 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 8/16/2015 3:13:29 AM, Salemdidit wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:55:16 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
That's the way it is. You cannot force women to conceive.

Aren't you pro-life?

Yes. Prolifers can support contraceptive rights.

Never said they couldn't. I too am pro-life, and I support contraceptives being available to the poor. I just don't think its a right.
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8/16/2015 3:20:57 AM
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That's the way it is. You cannot force women to conceive.

No, you shouldn't be able to. But I don't see how that's relevant in any way at all. First of all, they probably weren't forced into sex. When they engaged in consensual sex, an action that they performed, the sole purpose of which is to conceive, they had no right to blame others for their pregnancy. Even in the case of rape, this argument is void. Not paying for their abortion is not the same as stopping them from having an abortion. Furthermore, as for your low income nonsense, they should have insurance that covers it, or stop having sex, or be more careful while having sex.
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8/16/2015 3:21:51 AM
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I accidentally said abortion. I meant contraception. Sorry.
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LiberalProlifer
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8/16/2015 3:23:44 AM
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At 8/16/2015 3:20:57 AM, PericIes wrote:
That's the way it is. You cannot force women to conceive.

No, you shouldn't be able to. But I don't see how that's relevant in any way at all. First of all, they probably weren't forced into sex. When they engaged in consensual sex, an action that they performed, the sole purpose of which is to conceive, they had no right to blame others for their pregnancy. Even in the case of rape, this argument is void. Not paying for their abortion is not the same as stopping them from having an abortion. Furthermore, as for your low income nonsense, they should have insurance that covers it, or stop having sex, or be more careful while having sex.

The right to prevent a pregnancy is between a patient and their doctor.
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8/16/2015 3:25:04 AM
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The right to prevent a pregnancy is between a patient and their doctor.

You're going to have to elaborate if you want to show me how that's relevant in any way to anything I said.
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8/16/2015 3:30:11 AM
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At 8/16/2015 3:25:04 AM, PericIes wrote:
The right to prevent a pregnancy is between a patient and their doctor.

You're going to have to elaborate if you want to show me how that's relevant in any way to anything I said.

Yes or no: Do you support contraceptive rights? This debate is about contraceptive rights.
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8/16/2015 3:31:22 AM
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Yes or no: Do you support contraceptive rights? This debate is about contraceptive rights.

That was a real nice dodge there. How was what you said relevant in any way to what I said?
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8/16/2015 3:34:50 AM
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At 8/16/2015 3:31:22 AM, PericIes wrote:
Yes or no: Do you support contraceptive rights? This debate is about contraceptive rights.

That was a real nice dodge there. How was what you said relevant in any way to what I said?
The subject of this debate is about contraceptive rights.
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8/16/2015 3:35:41 AM
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The right to prevent a pregnancy is between a patient and their doctor.

How is that relevant to what I said before?
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8/16/2015 3:37:48 AM
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At 8/16/2015 3:35:41 AM, PericIes wrote:
The right to prevent a pregnancy is between a patient and their doctor.

How is that relevant to what I said before?

Yes or no: Do you support contraceptive rights?
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8/16/2015 3:39:18 AM
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Yes or no: Do you support contraceptive rights?

Will my answer help you explain how it's relevant, or are you trying to dodge the question again?
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8/16/2015 3:44:54 AM
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At 8/16/2015 3:18:12 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 8/16/2015 3:13:29 AM, Salemdidit wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:55:16 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
That's the way it is. You cannot force women to conceive.

Aren't you pro-life?

Yes. Prolifers can support contraceptive rights.

Liberals can't be pro-life.
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8/16/2015 3:46:33 AM
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At 8/16/2015 3:44:54 AM, Varrack wrote:
At 8/16/2015 3:18:12 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 8/16/2015 3:13:29 AM, Salemdidit wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:55:16 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
That's the way it is. You cannot force women to conceive.

Aren't you pro-life?

Yes. Prolifers can support contraceptive rights.

Liberals can't be pro-life.

That's not true.
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8/16/2015 3:49:13 AM
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At 8/16/2015 3:39:18 AM, PericIes wrote:
Yes or no: Do you support contraceptive rights?

Will my answer help you explain how it's relevant, or are you trying to dodge the question again?

Yes or no: Do you support contraceptive rights?
LiberalProlifer
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8/16/2015 3:51:21 AM
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At 8/16/2015 3:44:54 AM, Varrack wrote:
At 8/16/2015 3:18:12 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 8/16/2015 3:13:29 AM, Salemdidit wrote:
At 8/16/2015 2:55:16 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
That's the way it is. You cannot force women to conceive.

Aren't you pro-life?

Yes. Prolifers can support contraceptive rights.

Liberals can't be pro-life.

Yes they can. Go to democratsfoirlife.org for proof. Saying that no true liberal can be prolife is the no true Scotsman fallacy.
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8/16/2015 3:51:21 AM
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At 8/16/2015 3:49:13 AM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 8/16/2015 3:39:18 AM, PericIes wrote:
Yes or no: Do you support contraceptive rights?

Will my answer help you explain how it's relevant, or are you trying to dodge the question again?

Yes or no: Do you support contraceptive rights?

Will my answer help you explain how it's relevant, or are you trying to dodge the question again?
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