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8/16/2015 7:58:47 AM
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Let's assume for a moment that Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic Nomination for President. Who should her VP be? Here are some ideas. Feel free to add to or criticize this list, and to say who you think her VP ought to be.

Governors

John Hickenlooper, CO
Martin O'Malley, MD
Steven Beshear, KY
Tom Wolf, PA
Jay Inslee, WA
Brian Schweitzer, MT
Deval Patrick, NJ
Andrew Cuomo, NY
Lincoln Chaffee, RI

Senators

Rob Wyden, OR
Corey Booker, NJ
Mark Warner, VA
Martin Heinrich, NM
Jon Tester, MT
Amy Klobuchar, MN
Chris Murphy, CT
Joe Manchin, WV
Jim Webb, VA

Other

Julian Castro (Secretary of HUD, TX)
Caroline Kennedy (U.S. Ambassador to Japan, NY)
Mark Lippert (U.S. Ambassador to South Korea, OH)
Ed Perlmutter (Representative, CO)
John Sarbanes (Representative, MD)
Antonio Villaraigosa (Mayor of Los Angeles, CA)

My Top 5

In no particular order, here are my faves...

Beshear - The Clintons have a lot of support among the KY Democratic party. It voted overwhelmingly for her over Obama in 2008 (something like 97%). A popular governor of the state could force the GOP to spend some funds there, though I doubt it would flip. Mainly, I think he would appeal to a lot of moderates, and his southern style would contrast with her Northeastern demeanor, making the ticket feel more nationally representative.

O'Malley - Maryland pride compels me to pick him, as does his tranquil disposition, his technocratic know-how, and his ability to appeal to people in the Delmarva area. He would not be the VP who would put his foot in his mouth, like Biden, but he would have some national recognition once his campaign for President kicks in. Additionally, I think he'd fair well in the debates. And...he's not bad looking...and his youth may play well against Hillary's age.

John Hickenlooper - I think he would help keep CO blue, and that's important. He is also from a different geographic region than Hillary, which, again, makes the ticket feel more nationally inclusive. He's not particularly controversial, and he's not a buffoon in public, so he seems like a solid choice.

Mark Warner - He'd help appeal to voters in VA, which is the swingiest of swing states, it feels like (except for maybe OH or NC). So, picking him would be a smart move. He's not too controversial, from a Southern state (so, different geographic region), and is fairly moderate. Those are all positive qualities in a Veep, esp. the ability to appeal to voters in a key state like VA. He also brings a wealth of executive and legislative experience to the table.

Brian Schweitzer - Not only does he share my first name, but he's a Democrat! As the governor of MT, he definitely adds to the geographic scope of Hillary's ticket, but he would also bring 8 years of executive experience which would only add to her ticket's already impressive resume. His folksy charm could give Hillary's campaign a much needed injection of likeability, while appealing to voters in the Midwest area. Even more to the point, MT's votes are usually close, and there is a chance a popular Democratic candidate from the state could flip it, even if it only provides a few extra delegates (3, to be precise). But still, take all that you can get.

So, again, what do you think of this list? And, who would you pick?
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8/16/2015 8:00:38 AM
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I really like Martin Heinrich's voting record.
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8/16/2015 8:10:33 AM
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At 8/16/2015 8:00:38 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I really like Martin Heinrich's voting record.

Me too, and he's attractive. But, he's had no executive experience. And, while he's been in Congress since 2009, he's only a first-term Senator. Though, like O'Malley, his relative youth would be a nice contrast to Hillary, as would his placement in NM, which would make him appeal to NM and CO voters, and which would give the ticket geographic diversity.
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8/16/2015 8:15:47 AM
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At 8/16/2015 7:58:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Governors

Deval Patrick, NJ

Hm?
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8/16/2015 8:16:29 AM
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At 8/16/2015 8:15:47 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 8/16/2015 7:58:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Governors

Deval Patrick, NJ

Hm?

Sorry, MA. I get him and Cory Booker mixed up.
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8/16/2015 1:51:33 PM
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I think a lot of people would hope that Elizabeth Warren gets the VP nod
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8/16/2015 3:07:01 PM
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At 8/16/2015 1:53:03 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Why not Sanders?

Was gonna say this. I'm not sure he would agree to it, but that's likely he best bet
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8/16/2015 4:22:57 PM
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At 8/16/2015 8:00:38 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I really like Martin Heinrich's voting record.

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I met him... He was chill... But no... NO NO NO> NOT HEINRICH 2LIBERAL5ME :P
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8/16/2015 4:23:53 PM
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Castro is probably who she'll choose. He's Hispanic and I think they're friends
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8/16/2015 4:25:07 PM
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At 8/16/2015 3:07:01 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 8/16/2015 1:53:03 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Why not Sanders?

Was gonna say this. I'm not sure he would agree to it, but that's likely he best bet

This would be a terrible choice for her, lol. It doesn't win her a state. It just gets here an old guy who will probably lose the VP debate, force her to go super left, and she could do so much more damage to the GOP if she chooses someone like Heinrich, Castro, etc.
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8/16/2015 4:30:23 PM
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At 8/16/2015 1:53:03 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Why not Sanders?

He appeals to the more radical elements of the Democrat Party, and is an advocate of the sort of ideology that the Democrat Party is and has been trending toward. As a result, he may help to excite Hillary's base.

However, I don't think that an admitted socialist is going to appeal to independent voters, given the history and general nature of American politics. I think he would hurt the ticket.
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8/16/2015 4:33:29 PM
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At 8/16/2015 4:25:07 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/16/2015 3:07:01 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 8/16/2015 1:53:03 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Why not Sanders?

Was gonna say this. I'm not sure he would agree to it, but that's likely he best bet

This would be a terrible choice for her, lol. It doesn't win her a state. It just gets here an old guy who will probably lose the VP debate, force her to go super left, and she could do so much more damage to the GOP if she chooses someone like Heinrich, Castro, etc.

He garnering a decent amount of support now. Not that he's even close to being an actual contender, we all know Hilary is going to win the nomination.

What I'm saying is he likely will end up running as an independent. That could take away votes from her, possibly a significant amount.

Whether or not its the best pick? I have no idea. Not very well versed on the issue. And frankly I don't know if anyone can know yet, since the GOP hasn't even picked anyone yet.
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8/16/2015 4:34:23 PM
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At 8/16/2015 7:58:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Beshear - The Clintons have a lot of support among the KY Democratic party. It voted overwhelmingly for her over Obama in 2008 (something like 97%). A popular governor of the state could force the GOP to spend some funds there, though I doubt it would flip. Mainly, I think he would appeal to a lot of moderates, and his southern style would contrast with her Northeastern demeanor, making the ticket feel more nationally representative.


I think his moderation would hurt her. Since Bernie is forcing her to run left, either the media will (1) force her to answer for flip flipping back to the center (poor Romney), or (2) ask why her VP disagrees with her so much... All of which aren't good questions for a candidate XD

O'Malley - Maryland pride compels me to pick him, as does his tranquil disposition, his technocratic know-how, and his ability to appeal to people in the Delmarva area. He would not be the VP who would put his foot in his mouth, like Biden, but he would have some national recognition once his campaign for President kicks in. Additionally, I think he'd fair well in the debates. And...he's not bad looking...and his youth may play well against Hillary's age.

I actually like him. He's one of the better Dems running - I like his pragmatism. And he source spammed once on NPR so I liked him :P


John Hickenlooper - I think he would help keep CO blue, and that's important. He is also from a different geographic region than Hillary, which, again, makes the ticket feel more nationally inclusive. He's not particularly controversial, and he's not a buffoon in public, so he seems like a solid choice.

True on the CO part. CO seems to be leaning red right now because of Hillary's email thing (which may sink her, I dunno what will happen with it - if it does, make a thread "who will be Biden's VP" XD). He would be solid.


Mark Warner - He'd help appeal to voters in VA, which is the swingiest of swing states, it feels like (except for maybe OH or NC). So, picking him would be a smart move. He's not too controversial, from a Southern state (so, different geographic region), and is fairly moderate. Those are all positive qualities in a Veep, esp. the ability to appeal to voters in a key state like VA. He also brings a wealth of executive and legislative experience to the table.

Swinging VA would make me rage. So, for the democrats, he is a good choice. In fact, Moody's analytics has the GOP losing 270-268 because VA is blue -- their model has been correct since 1980, and correctly guessed the 2012 electoral count. They update it over time, of course.


Brian Schweitzer - Not only does he share my first name, but he's a Democrat!

LOL

As the governor of MT, he definitely adds to the geographic scope of Hillary's ticket, but he would also bring 8 years of executive experience which would only add to her ticket's already impressive resume. His folksy charm could give Hillary's campaign a much needed injection of likeability, while appealing to voters in the Midwest area. Even more to the point, MT's votes are usually close, and there is a chance a popular Democratic candidate from the state could flip it, even if it only provides a few extra delegates (3, to be precise). But still, take all that you can get.

So, again, what do you think of this list? And, who would you pick?

If I were her, Castro would probably be my pick. The Bushes usually do well with Hispanics -- and Jeb doing ads in Spanish on Univision or Spanish radio would be terrifying for them. Especially because conservative ads are really, really, really effective on Hispanic populations (http://www.usnews.com...).

Rubio would also threaten the Dem Hispanic vote. I don't know if the GOP would win Hispanics, but getting 40-45% with either candidate is possible--and would be devastating in states like NV and FL, possibly NM (if Martinez is chosen, though I don't think it would flip. We are pretty blue now). Like a Kasich/Rubio ticket would pretty much seal the election for the GOP imo. But I think a Bush/(insert name - Kasich, Martinez, etc.) is still the most likely.
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8/16/2015 4:35:09 PM
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At 8/16/2015 4:33:29 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 8/16/2015 4:25:07 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/16/2015 3:07:01 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 8/16/2015 1:53:03 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Why not Sanders?

Was gonna say this. I'm not sure he would agree to it, but that's likely he best bet

This would be a terrible choice for her, lol. It doesn't win her a state. It just gets here an old guy who will probably lose the VP debate, force her to go super left, and she could do so much more damage to the GOP if she chooses someone like Heinrich, Castro, etc.

He garnering a decent amount of support now. Not that he's even close to being an actual contender, we all know Hilary is going to win the nomination.

What I'm saying is he likely will end up running as an independent. That could take away votes from her, possibly a significant amount.

He said he wouldn't.


Whether or not its the best pick? I have no idea. Not very well versed on the issue. And frankly I don't know if anyone can know yet, since the GOP hasn't even picked anyone yet.

HE wouldn't be a good pic. She will probably choose someone young
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8/16/2015 5:58:36 PM
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At 8/16/2015 4:22:57 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/16/2015 8:00:38 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I really like Martin Heinrich's voting record.

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

I met him... He was chill... But no... NO NO NO> NOT HEINRICH 2LIBERAL5ME :P

Calm down. He'd only be the VP. :P
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8/16/2015 6:44:24 PM
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At 8/16/2015 4:30:23 PM, Aran55633 wrote:
At 8/16/2015 1:53:03 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Why not Sanders?

He appeals to the more radical elements of the Democrat Party, and is an advocate of the sort of ideology that the Democrat Party is and has been trending toward. As a result, he may help to excite Hillary's base.

However, I don't think that an admitted socialist is going to appeal to independent voters, given the history and general nature of American politics. I think he would hurt the ticket.

Agreed. And he wouldn't appeal to the more center-left Democrats as he is a true-blue liberal. In a general election it's all about making yourself palatable to the middle which he wouldn't do.
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8/16/2015 6:59:38 PM
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At 8/16/2015 5:58:36 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 8/16/2015 4:22:57 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/16/2015 8:00:38 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I really like Martin Heinrich's voting record.

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

I met him... He was chill... But no... NO NO NO> NOT HEINRICH 2LIBERAL5ME :P

Calm down. He'd only be the VP. :P

No
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8/16/2015 8:44:01 PM
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It's much too soon to anoint HRC as the Dem candidate - though I realize you said that we should just assume so for the sake of this thread. But I want to explore how likely that is. As I've always predicted (though I've waned at points at how likely I thought it would be given the circumstances of the Dem candidate pool), Democrats will eventually go with the best alternative and that now seems to be coming to fruition.

Dem polling in New Hampshire:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

Hillary is going right down, Sander is moving right up. If this trend continues, it wont be long until Sanders has a well established lead.

Dem polling in Iowa:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

It's clear that Sanders has much more ground to make up here, but the trend is the same. Hillary is polling downwards, while Sanders is polling up. Yes, there is a 25 point gap for Sanders to make up, but there's plenty of time and the trend is quite clear.

National Dem polling:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

This is all made more clear by the national polls. Sanders has a lot of ground to make up, but again the trend is clear. I'm not saying Hillary wont be the nominee, but she's definitely not assured of the nomination.

If Sanders is the nominee though, he should pick Hillary for VP.
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8/16/2015 8:58:02 PM
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At 8/16/2015 7:58:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Let's assume for a moment that Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic Nomination for President. Who should her VP be? Here are some ideas. Feel free to add to or criticize this list, and to say who you think her VP ought to be.

Governors

John Hickenlooper, CO
Martin O'Malley, MD
Steven Beshear, KY
Tom Wolf, PA
Jay Inslee, WA
Brian Schweitzer, MT
Deval Patrick, NJ
Andrew Cuomo, NY
Lincoln Chaffee, RI

Senators

Rob Wyden, OR
Corey Booker, NJ
Mark Warner, VA
Martin Heinrich, NM
Jon Tester, MT
Amy Klobuchar, MN
Chris Murphy, CT
Joe Manchin, WV
Jim Webb, VA

Other

Julian Castro (Secretary of HUD, TX)
Caroline Kennedy (U.S. Ambassador to Japan, NY)
Mark Lippert (U.S. Ambassador to South Korea, OH)
Ed Perlmutter (Representative, CO)
John Sarbanes (Representative, MD)
Antonio Villaraigosa (Mayor of Los Angeles, CA)

My Top 5

In no particular order, here are my faves...

Beshear - The Clintons have a lot of support among the KY Democratic party. It voted overwhelmingly for her over Obama in 2008 (something like 97%). A popular governor of the state could force the GOP to spend some funds there, though I doubt it would flip. Mainly, I think he would appeal to a lot of moderates, and his southern style would contrast with her Northeastern demeanor, making the ticket feel more nationally representative.

O'Malley - Maryland pride compels me to pick him, as does his tranquil disposition, his technocratic know-how, and his ability to appeal to people in the Delmarva area. He would not be the VP who would put his foot in his mouth, like Biden, but he would have some national recognition once his campaign for President kicks in. Additionally, I think he'd fair well in the debates. And...he's not bad looking...and his youth may play well against Hillary's age.

John Hickenlooper - I think he would help keep CO blue, and that's important. He is also from a different geographic region than Hillary, which, again, makes the ticket feel more nationally inclusive. He's not particularly controversial, and he's not a buffoon in public, so he seems like a solid choice.

Mark Warner - He'd help appeal to voters in VA, which is the swingiest of swing states, it feels like (except for maybe OH or NC). So, picking him would be a smart move. He's not too controversial, from a Southern state (so, different geographic region), and is fairly moderate. Those are all positive qualities in a Veep, esp. the ability to appeal to voters in a key state like VA. He also brings a wealth of executive and legislative experience to the table.

Brian Schweitzer - Not only does he share my first name, but he's a Democrat! As the governor of MT, he definitely adds to the geographic scope of Hillary's ticket, but he would also bring 8 years of executive experience which would only add to her ticket's already impressive resume. His folksy charm could give Hillary's campaign a much needed injection of likeability, while appealing to voters in the Midwest area. Even more to the point, MT's votes are usually close, and there is a chance a popular Democratic candidate from the state could flip it, even if it only provides a few extra delegates (3, to be precise). But still, take all that you can get.

So, again, what do you think of this list? And, who would you pick?

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8/16/2015 9:23:57 PM
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At 8/16/2015 8:44:01 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
It's much too soon to anoint HRC as the Dem candidate - though I realize you said that we should just assume so for the sake of this thread.

I agree with you. It's far too early to declare her the victor. This was just more of a thought experiment, I guess.

If Sanders is the nominee though, he should pick Hillary for VP.

Agreed, there.
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8/16/2015 9:26:04 PM
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At 8/16/2015 1:51:33 PM, imabench wrote:
I think a lot of people would hope that Elizabeth Warren gets the VP nod

Frankly, as huge a fan as I am of Warren (OMG!) I am reluctant to see two women on the ticket. While I would not have a problem voting for an all-female slate, there are people in this country who would be apprehensive about doing so. Having a man on the ticket might reassure those voters, particularly in Southern swing states.
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8/16/2015 9:27:00 PM
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At 8/16/2015 1:53:03 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Why not Sanders?

He's too liberal. He's also very Northeastern and old. Two old, liberal, Northeasterners are not going to appeal to the U.S. at large.
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8/16/2015 9:29:23 PM
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At 8/16/2015 4:25:07 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/16/2015 3:07:01 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 8/16/2015 1:53:03 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Why not Sanders?

Was gonna say this. I'm not sure he would agree to it, but that's likely he best bet

This would be a terrible choice for her, lol. It doesn't win her a state. It just gets here an old guy who will probably lose the VP debate, force her to go super left, and she could do so much more damage to the GOP if she chooses someone like Heinrich, Castro, etc.

The GOP being the GOP does enough damage to itself without her having to worry about who to pick in order to damage it lol
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At 8/16/2015 4:34:23 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/16/2015 7:58:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Beshear - The Clintons have a lot of support among the KY Democratic party. It voted overwhelmingly for her over Obama in 2008 (something like 97%). A popular governor of the state could force the GOP to spend some funds there, though I doubt it would flip. Mainly, I think he would appeal to a lot of moderates, and his southern style would contrast with her Northeastern demeanor, making the ticket feel more nationally representative.

I think his moderation would hurt her. Since Bernie is forcing her to run left, either the media will (1) force her to answer for flip flipping back to the center (poor Romney), or (2) ask why her VP disagrees with her so much... All of which aren't good questions for a candidate XD

The magnificent thing about VPs is that they don't have to agree precisely with the President. No two people agree on all issues. Choosing him would be a way for Hillary to look more centrist without having to change too much of what she, herself, says. Plus, he brings a lot of appeal for other moderates. He's honestly a darkhorse pick, but I think he'd be a smart pick.

O'Malley - Maryland pride compels me to pick him, as does his tranquil disposition, his technocratic know-how, and his ability to appeal to people in the Delmarva area. He would not be the VP who would put his foot in his mouth, like Biden, but he would have some national recognition once his campaign for President kicks in. Additionally, I think he'd fair well in the debates. And...he's not bad looking...and his youth may play well against Hillary's age.

I actually like him. He's one of the better Dems running - I like his pragmatism. And he source spammed once on NPR so I liked him :P

Lol...O'Malley is cool, and I think he'd do an excellent job. The one issue I see with him is that he doesn't really bring any geographic diversity to the ticket, but he is still a great selection.

John Hickenlooper - I think he would help keep CO blue, and that's important. He is also from a different geographic region than Hillary, which, again, makes the ticket feel more nationally inclusive. He's not particularly controversial, and he's not a buffoon in public, so he seems like a solid choice.

True on the CO part. CO seems to be leaning red right now because of Hillary's email thing (which may sink her, I dunno what will happen with it - if it does, make a thread "who will be Biden's VP" XD). He would be solid.

100% agreed.

Mark Warner - He'd help appeal to voters in VA, which is the swingiest of swing states, it feels like (except for maybe OH or NC). So, picking him would be a smart move. He's not too controversial, from a Southern state (so, different geographic region), and is fairly moderate. Those are all positive qualities in a Veep, esp. the ability to appeal to voters in a key state like VA. He also brings a wealth of executive and legislative experience to the table.

Swinging VA would make me rage. So, for the democrats, he is a good choice. In fact, Moody's analytics has the GOP losing 270-268 because VA is blue -- their model has been correct since 1980, and correctly guessed the 2012 electoral count. They update it over time, of course.

That's an interesting tidbit. I think Warner would be a nice choice, but his only real "standout" feature is his appeal in VA. But, that counts for a lot in the modern political landscape.

So, again, what do you think of this list? And, who would you pick?

If I were her, Castro would probably be my pick. The Bushes usually do well with Hispanics -- and Jeb doing ads in Spanish on Univision or Spanish radio would be terrifying for them. Especially because conservative ads are really, really, really effective on Hispanic populations (http://www.usnews.com...).

As I mentioned to Bench, there are a lot of bigots still out there in the U.S. voting pool. I would be hesitant to put a woman and a Latino on the same ticket. I would also note that Hillary already has significant support among Hispanics [http://www.thefiscaltimes.com...], and that they're likely to continue voting blue, IMO. So, Castro's biggest potential advantage is not that enticing for Hillary. Plus, you don't get much publicity as HUD Secretary. His name is pretty much unknown, unless people vaguely remember him from the 2008 (I think it was 2008) DNC nominating convention. Having so little name recognition will make it hard for him to be a real "pull" to voters.
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8/17/2015 5:39:13 AM
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At 8/17/2015 3:03:47 AM, AdamEsk wrote:
If she doesn't end up in prison, she will win the nomination, and I predict O'Malley.

I seriously doubt she'll end up in prison.
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8/17/2015 5:45:09 AM
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At 8/17/2015 5:39:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/17/2015 3:03:47 AM, AdamEsk wrote:
If she doesn't end up in prison, she will win the nomination, and I predict O'Malley.

I seriously doubt she'll end up in prison.

Good theory. At this moment, I'd have to agree with you.
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8/17/2015 5:45:50 AM
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At 8/17/2015 5:45:09 AM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 8/17/2015 5:39:13 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/17/2015 3:03:47 AM, AdamEsk wrote:
If she doesn't end up in prison, she will win the nomination, and I predict O'Malley.

I seriously doubt she'll end up in prison.

Good theory. At this moment, I'd have to agree with you.

So, why O'Malley? Would he be her best choice, or just the one you think she's likeliest to pick.
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8/17/2015 3:26:09 PM
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So, why O'Malley? Would he be her best choice, or just the one you think she's likeliest to pick.

Likeliest to pick, he seems popular among the democrats, but has no chance of winning the nomination.