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8/26/2015 2:38:52 AM
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His confidants say he's leaning close to a run, and his meeting with Warren has raise eyebrows. Do you think Biden will run for President, and why? If he runs, could he win and why? If he runs, how will he impact the race and why?
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8/26/2015 2:40:45 AM
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biden wont run because your autism and relationship with yyw and bsh1 and wylted is turning the earth inside out through a mass singularity
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8/26/2015 2:48:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/26/2015 2:38:52 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His confidants say he's leaning close to a run, and his meeting with Warren has raise eyebrows. Do you think Biden will run for President, and why? If he runs, could he win and why? If he runs, how will he impact the race and why?

I don't think he will run. Many candidates have already declared their candidacy, so if he were to enter he'd be a little late in the race. If he does run, I don't think he will get much traction because people will think he is too similar to Obama and Hillary. Unless he managed a way to paint himself as unique and offered something the other candidates haven't offered, he probably won't be able to win supporters from Clinton and Sanders.
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8/26/2015 2:49:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/26/2015 2:40:45 AM, anonymouse wrote:
biden wont run because your autism and relationship with yyw and bsh1 and wylted is turning the earth inside out through a mass singularity

Where did Wylted come in, lol?
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8/26/2015 2:53:07 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/26/2015 2:48:24 AM, Varrack wrote:
At 8/26/2015 2:38:52 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His confidants say he's leaning close to a run, and his meeting with Warren has raise eyebrows. Do you think Biden will run for President, and why? If he runs, could he win and why? If he runs, how will he impact the race and why?

I don't think he will run. Many candidates have already declared their candidacy, so if he were to enter he'd be a little late in the race. If he does run, I don't think he will get much traction because people will think he is too similar to Obama and Hillary. Unless he managed a way to paint himself as unique and offered something the other candidates haven't offered, he probably won't be able to win supporters from Clinton and Sanders.

I think if he announced early that Warren would be his VP, he could get a lot of traction. He already has something like 5-10% of support among Democrats. Warren's leftist appeal would allow him to steal votes from Sanders and his experience would give him a card to play against Clinton. I think he will run--if only for emotional reasons on his part--but I think he could be viable, too. Now, would I vote for Biden? No, I wouldn't. Do I think Clinton will still win? Yes. But Biden could really mix things up, and there's enough of an opening for him, I think, that it's possible for him to win.
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8/26/2015 2:57:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/26/2015 2:38:52 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His confidants say he's leaning close to a run, and his meeting with Warren has raise eyebrows. Do you think Biden will run for President, and why? If he runs, could he win and why? If he runs, how will he impact the race and why?

100% he will run

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8/26/2015 3:00:41 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/26/2015 2:57:54 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/26/2015 2:38:52 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His confidants say he's leaning close to a run, and his meeting with Warren has raise eyebrows. Do you think Biden will run for President, and why? If he runs, could he win and why? If he runs, how will he impact the race and why?

100% he will run

"Vice President Joe Biden received President Barack Obama's "blessing" to make a 2016 bid for the White House, according to a senior Democrat."

http://www.cnn.com...

Eh, I don't think that's super siginficant. I don't think Obama's "blessing" was something Biden really cared about in the first place. Plus, Obama had to say he wouldn't be unhappy if Biden ran--it would be impolitic of him to say otherwise. So, the statement itself seems devoid of meaning.
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8/26/2015 3:14:44 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/26/2015 3:00:41 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/26/2015 2:57:54 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/26/2015 2:38:52 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His confidants say he's leaning close to a run, and his meeting with Warren has raise eyebrows. Do you think Biden will run for President, and why? If he runs, could he win and why? If he runs, how will he impact the race and why?

100% he will run

"Vice President Joe Biden received President Barack Obama's "blessing" to make a 2016 bid for the White House, according to a senior Democrat."

http://www.cnn.com...

Eh, I don't think that's super siginficant. I don't think Obama's "blessing" was something Biden really cared about in the first place.

I dunno, Biden and Obama have been mega-close in terms of friendship, they arent like Bush-Cheney where the two were always trying to influence each other. Obama wouldnt give Biden a blessing if someone hadnt brought up the thought of him running in the first place, and theres a 50-50 chance biden was the one who brought it up

Second, Obama does have skin in the game if Biden chooses to run, because then Obama would have to endorse Biden or Hillary for the deomcratic nominee, which puts Obama in a really, really tough spot since Hillary is the clear frontrunner but Biden has been his partner in crime for the past 8 years. Biden naturally wouldnt want to put Obama in a tough spot, especially near the end of his term, so I can see why he would care about Obama's blessing which I believe he would want to have if he wants to ponder running.

Plus, Obama had to say he wouldn't be unhappy if Biden ran--it would be impolitic of him to say otherwise. So, the statement itself seems devoid of meaning.

It could be that way but I just think otherwise.

If he runs, could he win and why?

Biden could not win thats for sure. Although he has been VP for 8 years, his campaign would be the Millenium Falcon whereas Hillary's campaign is the Death Star. He'll probably routinely finish in second or third place in states while he is still in the race.

If he runs, how will he impact the race and why?

If Biden does decide to run, my belief is that he would be doing it purely to raise awareness about a single issue or a handful of issues that have largely been ignored in the race up to this point. The absolute minute he declares, all eyes will be on him, and whatever is the centerpiece of his platform is, all the other candidates, including Hillary, will have to address it.

This is what I think Biden hopes to achieve by running. Not to by some miracle actually win, but to influence the other candidates in the race to try to take a position on an issue he would like to raise awareness about. Whether it be drug decriminalization, student loan debt, or foreign policy, a Biden run would certainly shed light on an issue or an aspect of society that Biden would like to bring awareness to. He could focus almost entirely on a single issue, or maybe a handful of issues and hope that one of them gets assimilated into Hillary's platform.

Thats the endgame I think Biden would aim for should he run, being able to put pressure on Hillary to adjust her position on an issue that Biden cares deeply about. Once he can sway Hillary's mind on an issue when his campaign still has momentum, thats when I see Biden bowing out of the race.

Biden wont win the nomination in a million years, but he certainly has the power to influence other democratic candidates, namely Hillary, into adjusting their position on an issue that he cares deeply about.
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8/26/2015 3:15:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/26/2015 2:38:52 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His confidants say he's leaning close to a run, and his meeting with Warren has raise eyebrows. Do you think Biden will run for President, and why? If he runs, could he win and why? If he runs, how will he impact the race and why?

I don't know, and I don't think Biden does either. I think that the DNC right now is very likely doing preferential ballot polling which pits Biden against Hillary, Jeb, Trump, etc. to see if Biden's run makes Hillary more or less likely to win, among other things.

Biden will run if his candidacy will increase the probability that Hillary will win, and he will not run if it will decrease the same. I have no idea what the impact there would be, and I can't just "predict" it. I can just say what the conditions will be that will get him to run.

There is discussion among the DNC related to the extent to which Hillary needs "viable opposition" to legitimize her run (as, presently, she has none... no matter how much I like Bernie), but even if that is the case, there is an issue of whether Biden is "in fact" in the category of "viable opposition." At this point, I just don't know. I don't think the DNC knows either. But, once they do, then Biden will say whether he's running or not.
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8/26/2015 3:21:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/26/2015 3:14:44 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/26/2015 3:00:41 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/26/2015 2:57:54 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/26/2015 2:38:52 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His confidants say he's leaning close to a run, and his meeting with Warren has raise eyebrows. Do you think Biden will run for President, and why? If he runs, could he win and why? If he runs, how will he impact the race and why?

100% he will run

"Vice President Joe Biden received President Barack Obama's "blessing" to make a 2016 bid for the White House, according to a senior Democrat."

http://www.cnn.com...

Eh, I don't think that's super siginficant. I don't think Obama's "blessing" was something Biden really cared about in the first place.

I dunno, Biden and Obama have been mega-close in terms of friendship, they arent like Bush-Cheney where the two were always trying to influence each other.

Nah. I disagree. They've been cordial, certainly, but for awhile (after Biden leaked the gay marriage stuff), Obama ordered his staff to not communicate with Biden's staff. That doesn't reek of a mega-close friendship. They can work together and they may even like each other, but it's not close.

Second, Obama does have skin in the game if Biden chooses to run, because then Obama would have to endorse Biden or Hillary for the deomcratic nominee, which puts Obama in a really, really tough spot since Hillary is the clear frontrunner but Biden has been his partner in crime for the past 8 years. ]

Obama wouldn't endorse anyone until their was a clear winner.

Plus, Obama had to say he wouldn't be unhappy if Biden ran--it would be impolitic of him to say otherwise. So, the statement itself seems devoid of meaning.

It could be that way but I just think otherwise.

Fair enough.
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8/26/2015 3:23:10 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/26/2015 2:38:52 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His confidants say he's leaning close to a run, and his meeting with Warren has raise eyebrows. Do you think Biden will run for President, and why? If he runs, could he win and why? If he runs, how will he impact the race and why?

It would be kinda great for Bernie Fans. Biden is a bit more right on the political scale, so he might take away some votes from Hillary. Also I rather have Biden over Clinton any day of the week.
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8/26/2015 3:25:28 AM
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At 8/26/2015 3:15:55 AM, YYW wrote:
At 8/26/2015 2:38:52 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His confidants say he's leaning close to a run, and his meeting with Warren has raise eyebrows. Do you think Biden will run for President, and why? If he runs, could he win and why? If he runs, how will he impact the race and why?

I don't know, and I don't think Biden does either. I think that the DNC right now is very likely doing preferential ballot polling which pits Biden against Hillary, Jeb, Trump, etc. to see if Biden's run makes Hillary more or less likely to win, among other things.

Biden will run if his candidacy will increase the probability that Hillary will win, and he will not run if it will decrease the same. I have no idea what the impact there would be, and I can't just "predict" it. I can just say what the conditions will be that will get him to run.

I think I agree with that.

There is discussion among the DNC related to the extent to which Hillary needs "viable opposition" to legitimize her run (as, presently, she has none... no matter how much I like Bernie), but even if that is the case, there is an issue of whether Biden is "in fact" in the category of "viable opposition." At this point, I just don't know. I don't think the DNC knows either. But, once they do, then Biden will say whether he's running or not.

Okay.
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8/26/2015 3:26:28 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/26/2015 3:23:10 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 8/26/2015 2:38:52 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His confidants say he's leaning close to a run, and his meeting with Warren has raise eyebrows. Do you think Biden will run for President, and why? If he runs, could he win and why? If he runs, how will he impact the race and why?

It would be kinda great for Bernie Fans. Biden is a bit more right on the political scale, so he might take away some votes from Hillary. Also I rather have Biden over Clinton any day of the week.

It might, unless Biden declares that if he gets nominated, he'll run with Warren. That would pull from Bernie, since Warren and Bernie appeal to the same constituents.
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8/26/2015 4:01:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/26/2015 2:53:07 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/26/2015 2:48:24 AM, Varrack wrote:
At 8/26/2015 2:38:52 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His confidants say he's leaning close to a run, and his meeting with Warren has raise eyebrows. Do you think Biden will run for President, and why? If he runs, could he win and why? If he runs, how will he impact the race and why?

I don't think he will run. Many candidates have already declared their candidacy, so if he were to enter he'd be a little late in the race. If he does run, I don't think he will get much traction because people will think he is too similar to Obama and Hillary. Unless he managed a way to paint himself as unique and offered something the other candidates haven't offered, he probably won't be able to win supporters from Clinton and Sanders.

I think if he announced early that Warren would be his VP, he could get a lot of traction. He already has something like 5-10% of support among Democrats. Warren's leftist appeal would allow him to steal votes from Sanders and his experience would give him a card to play against Clinton. I think he will run--if only for emotional reasons on his part--but I think he could be viable, too. Now, would I vote for Biden? No, I wouldn't. Do I think Clinton will still win? Yes. But Biden could really mix things up, and there's enough of an opening for him, I think, that it's possible for him to win.

To be honest I think Sanders has gotten so much support already that any other Dem might not make be able to beat him, including Biden. That may be a bit early for me to say, but he's closing in on Clinton despite declaring candidacy later than her (http://www.politico.com...). Unless Sanders does something wrong or another candidate does something very right, this trend may continue into '16. So I don't think Biden will get very far, unless something happens between now and next year.
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8/26/2015 2:37:19 PM
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Of course he will. Hillary Clinton is going into a massive criminal case, which she undoubtedly come out unscathed because she's a privileged Clinton even if she is found guilty; who else do the Democrats have to lean on? Bernie Sanders? Media hasn't even begun going after him, let alone dropping the anvil of truth on his and his supporter's heads. Everyone is focused on Hillary. Once this Benghazi scandal, e-mail scandal, conflict of interest with foreign nations and donations scandal among others comes down full force on her and she's forced to drop out of the election, you need a replacement.

Truth: You know why Obama chose and kept Biden as his VP through all the m0ronic stuff he does and says? Because impeachment is a non-issue. If Obama gets impeached for his actions, Biden would take over. Who would be a worse president than Obama? Biden. He wasn't qualified for the position, he was just a buffer; impeach Obama, you get Biden....which do you really want?
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8/26/2015 2:45:31 PM
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At 8/26/2015 2:38:52 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His confidants say he's leaning close to a run, and his meeting with Warren has raise eyebrows. Do you think Biden will run for President, and why? If he runs, could he win and why? If he runs, how will he impact the race and why?

If he runs, it will be because Hillary is no longer a viable candidate. He's the Democrats' best shot at winning the White House after Hillary.

He'll be considered the establishment alternative to Hillary. More than likely he'll be the frontrunner against some sort of conflagration of Trump and Sanders supporters...he'll be the vanguard against some sort of populist de facto rebellion against the system.

He'll probably end up making allies out of the remnants of the intellectual base of the GOP, rebrand the Democratic party as some sort of establishment party, and hope to win against a populist surge.

It will be disingenuous, because Biden himself has strong, populist roots. It will backfire for the establishment and help to usher in a Trump presidency.
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8/26/2015 3:02:24 PM
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At 8/26/2015 2:38:52 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His confidants say he's leaning close to a run, and his meeting with Warren has raise eyebrows. Do you think Biden will run for President, and why? If he runs, could he win and why? If he runs, how will he impact the race and why?

Jumping in late, but yes he will run. Hillary is showing cracks, and the DNC needs someone like Biden. I love Biden, I really do. Great guy, but I will not support him in a primary. Its Sanders or bust time for me - even if he announces Warren as his VP. Sanders is running a better campaign then I ever imagined he could or would.
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8/26/2015 4:38:21 PM
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At 8/26/2015 3:02:24 PM, TBR wrote:
At 8/26/2015 2:38:52 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His confidants say he's leaning close to a run, and his meeting with Warren has raise eyebrows. Do you think Biden will run for President, and why? If he runs, could he win and why? If he runs, how will he impact the race and why?

Jumping in late, but yes he will run. Hillary is showing cracks, and the DNC needs someone like Biden. I love Biden, I really do. Great guy, but I will not support him in a primary. Its Sanders or bust time for me - even if he announces Warren as his VP. Sanders is running a better campaign then I ever imagined he could or would.

I think Sanders has--and is reaching--a ceiling of potential support though. And Warren would certainly pull some people from his camp were she and Biden to team up.
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8/26/2015 4:53:02 PM
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Jumping in late, but yes he will run. Hillary is showing cracks, and the DNC needs someone like Biden. I love Biden, I really do. Great guy, but I will not support him in a primary. Its Sanders or bust time for me - even if he announces Warren as his VP. Sanders is running a better campaign then I ever imagined he could or would.

I think Sanders has--and is reaching--a ceiling of potential support though. And Warren would certainly pull some people from his camp were she and Biden to team up.

Even just a couple weeks ago, I would have agreed completely. However, 1) The Warren crowd that went to Sanders is even more fired-up with Sanders than they were with Warren. 2) Sanders is doing something I just didn't think was possible for him, he is pulling independents. The crowds are not aberrations. Biden is warm and lovable to me, but the "working-class independents" that Biden is known for resonating with are very happy with Sanders. 3) Exactly who is Bidens constituency? People who fear the implosion of the Hillary campaign? OK, that's a good size group, but bifurcating them is not going to get a nomination.

I really thought Sanders was going to get in to talk. I was happy just for that, but now I am on-board. I am happy to go all in.
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8/26/2015 4:57:54 PM
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At 8/26/2015 4:53:02 PM, TBR wrote:
Jumping in late, but yes he will run. Hillary is showing cracks, and the DNC needs someone like Biden. I love Biden, I really do. Great guy, but I will not support him in a primary. Its Sanders or bust time for me - even if he announces Warren as his VP. Sanders is running a better campaign then I ever imagined he could or would.

I think Sanders has--and is reaching--a ceiling of potential support though. And Warren would certainly pull some people from his camp were she and Biden to team up.

Even just a couple weeks ago, I would have agreed completely. However, 1) The Warren crowd that went to Sanders is even more fired-up with Sanders than they were with Warren.

Eh, I am not so sure I agree. Certainly, that may apply to some people, but I definitely think there are voters who agree with Sanders and Warren ideologically but who would be more excited about putting the first woman into office (if only as the VP). I think that there is also a lot of genuine love for Warren, and that as she and Biden build a network, enthusiasm for them will grow.

2) Sanders is doing something I just didn't think was possible for him, he is pulling independents. The crowds are not aberrations. Biden is warm and lovable to me, but the "working-class independents" that Biden is known for resonating with are very happy with Sanders.

Again, I disagree. Sanders is seen as better than many GOP candidates by moderates, but he isn't wooing them so much as they would vote for him as a last resort. Biden and Hillary are naturally more appealing to centrists.

3) Exactly who is Bidens constituency? People who fear the implosion of the Hillary campaign? OK, that's a good size group, but bifurcating them is not going to get a nomination.

I think Biden/Warren would draw more votes proportionally from Sanders then Hillary, in the end. But, only time will tell.

I really thought Sanders was going to get in to talk. I was happy just for that, but now I am on-board. I am happy to go all in.

Interesting. I am still going to vote for Hillary--I am too worried about Sanders' ability to win a general.
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8/26/2015 5:04:56 PM
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Eh, I am not so sure I agree. Certainly, that may apply to some people, but I definitely think there are voters who agree with Sanders and Warren ideologically but who would be more excited about putting the first woman into office (if only as the VP). I think that there is also a lot of genuine love for Warren, and that as she and Biden build a network, enthusiasm for them will grow.

2) Sanders is doing something I just didn't think was possible for him, he is pulling independents. The crowds are not aberrations. Biden is warm and lovable to me, but the "working-class independents" that Biden is known for resonating with are very happy with Sanders.

Again, I disagree. Sanders is seen as better than many GOP candidates by moderates, but he isn't wooing them so much as they would vote for him as a last resort. Biden and Hillary are naturally more appealing to centrists.

3) Exactly who is Bidens constituency? People who fear the implosion of the Hillary campaign? OK, that's a good size group, but bifurcating them is not going to get a nomination.

I think Biden/Warren would draw more votes proportionally from Sanders then Hillary, in the end. But, only time will tell.

I really thought Sanders was going to get in to talk. I was happy just for that, but now I am on-board. I am happy to go all in.

Interesting. I am still going to vote for Hillary--I am too worried about Sanders' ability to win a general.

The vote for the first woman president crowd are Hillary supporters. I really want a woman president, and we could talk just this point, but what I am saying is, that number is already in one bin, the Hillary bin. So, generally you would be pulling support from her, not Sanders.

In a general I would be VERY comfortable with Biden/Warren. I would NOT be conformable with Clinton/???. Sanders/??? would be risk, but it is risk I am willing to take.