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TBR
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8/28/2015 6:36:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 6:34:49 PM, TBR wrote:
Why are conservatives contrasting the outrage on "Mexcan" baby's, and not Chinese?

http://www.usatoday.com...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

Sorry, concentration.
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8/28/2015 6:44:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 6:39:27 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I don't understand your question.

The concentration for the outrage regarding citizenship of baby's born on US soil has predominantly been reserved for Mexican children. I am simply asking why Conservatives ignore the baby's born from other nations?
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8/28/2015 6:49:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 6:44:51 PM, TBR wrote:
At 8/28/2015 6:39:27 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I don't understand your question.

The concentration for the outrage regarding citizenship of baby's born on US soil has predominantly been reserved for Mexican children. I am simply asking why Conservatives ignore the baby's born from other nations?

For ease, I suppose.
I mean, when they say Mexican, they really mean any Latino for Mexico, Central America, or even South America.
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8/28/2015 6:54:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago

For ease, I suppose.
I mean, when they say Mexican, they really mean any Latino for Mexico, Central America, or even South America.

So, I ask again. Why not express the concern about the Chinese baby's?
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8/28/2015 6:59:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 6:54:56 PM, TBR wrote:

For ease, I suppose.
I mean, when they say Mexican, they really mean any Latino for Mexico, Central America, or even South America.

So, I ask again. Why not express the concern about the Chinese baby's?

I think it is partly a political tactic. It is far scarier to talk about a Mexican "invasion" from our southern border than discuss Chinese babies being born in the US.
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8/28/2015 6:59:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 6:54:56 PM, TBR wrote:

For ease, I suppose.
I mean, when they say Mexican, they really mean any Latino for Mexico, Central America, or even South America.

So, I ask again. Why not express the concern about the Chinese baby's?

Because they're smart ;)
Do you really expect an actual answer? What is the point of the question?
Unless you are implying that conservatives ONLY care about Mexican anchor babies, does it really matter what country they reference? I'm assuming the Mexican anchor baby issue is more relateable, or even prominent than Chinese ones.
Isn't this a blacklivesmatter vs alllivesmatter kind of distraction?
My work here is, finally, done.
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8/28/2015 7:12:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Because they're smart ;)
Do you really expect an actual answer? What is the point of the question?
Unless you are implying that conservatives ONLY care about Mexican anchor babies, does it really matter what country they reference? I'm assuming the Mexican anchor baby issue is more relateable, or even prominent than Chinese ones.
Isn't this a blacklivesmatter vs alllivesmatter kind of distraction?

The point is exactly that! They have no issue with "anchor baby's" what they have an issue with is Mexicans.
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8/28/2015 7:17:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The point is exactly that! They have no issue with "anchor baby's" what they have an issue with is Mexicans.

They do have a problem with anchor babies, of any race, the GOP Presidential hopefuls are just using Mexicans as the example, even though it is slightly illogical.
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8/28/2015 7:21:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 7:17:44 PM, Praesentya wrote:
The point is exactly that! They have no issue with "anchor baby's" what they have an issue with is Mexicans.

They do have a problem with anchor babies, of any race, the GOP Presidential hopefuls are just using Mexicans as the example, even though it is slightly illogical.

So simply pandering to the racial nature of the base?
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8/28/2015 7:25:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 6:34:49 PM, TBR wrote:
Why are conservatives contrasting the outrage on "Mexcan" baby's, and not Chinese?

http://www.usatoday.com...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

lol

I think they probably don't know that it's going on...
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8/28/2015 7:33:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago

I think they probably don't know that it's going on...

I was having a casual conversation (in person) with someone. Said the net Mexican immigration was roughly zero. You would have thought I was trying to convince him the moon was made out of cheese.
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8/28/2015 7:40:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 7:33:02 PM, TBR wrote:

I think they probably don't know that it's going on...

I was having a casual conversation (in person) with someone. Said the net Mexican immigration was roughly zero. You would have thought I was trying to convince him the moon was made out of cheese.

No net legal immigration?
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8/28/2015 7:41:43 PM
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I was having a casual conversation (in person) with someone. Said the net Mexican immigration was roughly zero. You would have thought I was trying to convince him the moon was made out of cheese.

No net legal immigration?

Is that what I said? Do you insist on selective reading?
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8/28/2015 7:49:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 7:21:51 PM, TBR wrote:
At 8/28/2015 7:17:44 PM, Praesentya wrote:
The point is exactly that! They have no issue with "anchor baby's" what they have an issue with is Mexicans.

They do have a problem with anchor babies, of any race, the GOP Presidential hopefuls are just using Mexicans as the example, even though it is slightly illogical.

So simply pandering to the racial nature of the base?

Pretty much. I think it riles people up more to say "Mexican anchor babies" versus "(insert some other race) anchor babies."
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8/28/2015 7:54:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 7:41:43 PM, TBR wrote:
I was having a casual conversation (in person) with someone. Said the net Mexican immigration was roughly zero. You would have thought I was trying to convince him the moon was made out of cheese.

No net legal immigration?

Is that what I said? Do you insist on selective reading?

I'll take that as a yes then.
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8/28/2015 8:02:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 7:12:12 PM, TBR wrote:
Because they're smart ;)
Do you really expect an actual answer? What is the point of the question?
Unless you are implying that conservatives ONLY care about Mexican anchor babies, does it really matter what country they reference? I'm assuming the Mexican anchor baby issue is more relateable, or even prominent than Chinese ones.
Isn't this a blacklivesmatter vs alllivesmatter kind of distraction?

The point is exactly that! They have no issue with "anchor baby's" what they have an issue with is Mexicans.

Maybe, or they are not aware of it, or they are unaffected by it.
I'm pretty sure Latino immigration is a big issue in New Mexico, than it is in Washington State, and aren't most GOP from the southern states?
My work here is, finally, done.
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8/28/2015 8:04:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 6:34:49 PM, TBR wrote:
Why are conservatives contrasting the outrage on "Mexcan" baby's, and not Chinese?

http://www.usatoday.com...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

Probably because most people aren't really aware that this happens on a large scale.
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8/28/2015 8:04:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Is that what I said? Do you insist on selective reading?

I'll take that as a yes then.

I don't think you have every really said anything. Just give it a try.

The net immigration FROM MEXICO is ~zero.
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8/28/2015 8:06:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 8:04:43 PM, TBR wrote:
Is that what I said? Do you insist on selective reading?

I'll take that as a yes then.

I don't think you have every really said anything. Just give it a try.

The net immigration FROM MEXICO is ~zero.

I could probably guess the net legal immigration from Mexico is zero, so I am inclined to believe you without fact checking.
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8/28/2015 8:15:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
It really isn't as racist a thing as one might think. For instance, many Mexicans may appear white, but a native-born or naturalized Black American would be favored over a whitish illegal immigrant from Mexico. Also, if Conservative Americans are magically all secret white supremacists, then they would be equally outraged by immigration from anywhere other than white-majority countries. This isn't the case. The outrage is restricted towards a single group, consisting often of white people, who violate American laws by entering the United States illegally and in very large numbers.
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8/28/2015 8:32:38 PM
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At 8/28/2015 8:15:07 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It really isn't as racist a thing as one might think. For instance, many Mexicans may appear white, but a native-born or naturalized Black American would be favored over a whitish illegal immigrant from Mexico. Also, if Conservative Americans are magically all secret white supremacists, then they would be equally outraged by immigration from anywhere other than white-majority countries. This isn't the case. The outrage is restricted towards a single group, consisting often of white people, who violate American laws by entering the United States illegally and in very large numbers.

We don't have to talk in skin tones for it to be raciest.
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8/28/2015 8:36:13 PM
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At 8/28/2015 8:32:38 PM, TBR wrote:
At 8/28/2015 8:15:07 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It really isn't as racist a thing as one might think. For instance, many Mexicans may appear white, but a native-born or naturalized Black American would be favored over a whitish illegal immigrant from Mexico. Also, if Conservative Americans are magically all secret white supremacists, then they would be equally outraged by immigration from anywhere other than white-majority countries. This isn't the case. The outrage is restricted towards a single group, consisting often of white people, who violate American laws by entering the United States illegally and in very large numbers.

We don't have to talk in skin tones for it to be raciest.

It's more nationalist than anything then, since there's no reason for a European-American to dislike a Mexican more than, say, an immigrant from Africa, Vietnam, China, etc.
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8/28/2015 8:46:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 8:36:13 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 8/28/2015 8:32:38 PM, TBR wrote:
At 8/28/2015 8:15:07 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It really isn't as racist a thing as one might think. For instance, many Mexicans may appear white, but a native-born or naturalized Black American would be favored over a whitish illegal immigrant from Mexico. Also, if Conservative Americans are magically all secret white supremacists, then they would be equally outraged by immigration from anywhere other than white-majority countries. This isn't the case. The outrage is restricted towards a single group, consisting often of white people, who violate American laws by entering the United States illegally and in very large numbers.

We don't have to talk in skin tones for it to be raciest.

It's more nationalist than anything then, since there's no reason for a European-American to dislike a Mexican more than, say, an immigrant from Africa, Vietnam, China, etc.

I have using the term racism, but it fits in this context. Asians are OK, but not Hispanic. That seems to be the tacit agreement.
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8/28/2015 8:47:32 PM
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I have using the term racism, but it fits in this context. Asians are OK, but not Hispanic. That seems to be the tacit agreement.

hate using the term racism. Sorry, lazy typist today
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8/28/2015 8:52:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 8:36:13 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 8/28/2015 8:32:38 PM, TBR wrote:
At 8/28/2015 8:15:07 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It really isn't as racist a thing as one might think. For instance, many Mexicans may appear white, but a native-born or naturalized Black American would be favored over a whitish illegal immigrant from Mexico. Also, if Conservative Americans are magically all secret white supremacists, then they would be equally outraged by immigration from anywhere other than white-majority countries. This isn't the case. The outrage is restricted towards a single group, consisting often of white people, who violate American laws by entering the United States illegally and in very large numbers.

We don't have to talk in skin tones for it to be raciest.

It's more nationalist than anything then, since there's no reason for a European-American to dislike a Mexican more than, say, an immigrant from Africa, Vietnam, China, etc.

Perhaps the lion's share of illegal activity over skin tone is to blame?
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8/28/2015 9:05:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 6:34:49 PM, TBR wrote:
Why are conservatives contrasting the outrage on "Mexcan" baby's, and not Chinese?

http://www.usatoday.com...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

ANCHOR BABY is not discriminatory, don't care what flavor they are, its WRONG !