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9/11/2015 4:36:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Islam is a bigger threat today than the Nazis were in the 1940's. Where are our defenses?
Ignoring problems doesn't make them go away.
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9/11/2015 5:33:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/11/2015 4:36:52 PM, Sooner wrote:
Islam is a bigger threat today than the Nazis were in the 1940's. Where are our defenses?

hyperbole
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9/11/2015 5:43:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/11/2015 5:33:26 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/11/2015 4:36:52 PM, Sooner wrote:
Islam is a bigger threat today than the Nazis were in the 1940's. Where are our defenses?

hyperbole

Denial
Ignoring problems doesn't make them go away.
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9/11/2015 5:43:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Demographics-

https://youtu.be...

-Muslims to March on the Capital of Florida-

https://youtu.be...

-Warning to America(Part 1)-

https://youtu.be...

-Warning to America(Part 2)-

https://youtu.be...

-London the New Islamic Capital...-

https://youtu.be...

-Wake Up Sweden!-

https://youtu.be...

-55 Islamic groups have Taken Control inside of Sweden-

https://youtu.be...

-Norway Islamic Raping of Blonde Women Epidemic-

https://youtu.be...

-Islamic Effects in Germany-

https://youtu.be...

-Spain has been Islamsized-

https://youtu.be...

-Italy fed up With Islam-

https://youtu.be...

-Moscow's Giant Islamic Problem-

https://youtu.be...

-England is Falling to Islam-

https://youtu.be...

-European countries About to Become Islamic States-

https://youtu.be...

There is a big Difference.(Christianity and Judaism vs. ?)

https://youtu.be...

-The Haj-

http://youtu.be...

https://youtu.be...

https://youtu.be...

https://youtu.be...

-This Land is Islam's Land Not Yours America-

https://youtu.be...
Ignoring problems doesn't make them go away.
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9/11/2015 6:18:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/11/2015 5:57:57 PM, TBR wrote:
Yea, I have no love for Islam, but this fear talking.

Over the top reaction, but... yawn...

Based on the quickness of your response I assume you did not watch the videos. They are long. You do about demographics? No Western has an average of 2 kids which means the parents are not replacing themselves and the western population declines. But in France for example Muslims have 8+ kids per couple. The math is simple. It won't take long based on basic math. The U.S was warned about the Nazis and yawned. Then they were in the middle of the largest war ever fought on Earth against a group willing to burn humans alive and torture prisoners. They were like an ostrich. They yawned and got hit in the mouth repeatedly.
Ignoring problems doesn't make them go away.
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9/11/2015 6:19:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
In 2011 it was reported that the United Kingdom had around 100,000 converts to Islam,[8] of which 66% were women. There were an estimated 5,200 conversions to Islam in 2011.[9] Islam is the second fastest growing religious confession in the UK after irreligion and its adherents have the lowest average age out of all the major religious groups.[10] Between 2001 and 2009 the Muslim population increased almost 10 times faster than the non-Muslim population.

(Wikipedia)

See how that works? Christianity disappears. And then irreligion comes in and empties the room of religion and a new belief walks in. The problem with irreligion is it tolerates anything and everything. It sounds nice in theory, but you don't fortify, you get taken over. That's just reality.

Matthew 12:43
When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it.

Matthew 12:44
Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order.

Matthew 12:45
Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation."
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9/11/2015 6:21:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
You don't have to be religious to get the idea. It applies in logic either way.
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9/11/2015 6:23:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/11/2015 5:43:29 PM, Sooner wrote:
At 9/11/2015 5:33:26 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/11/2015 4:36:52 PM, Sooner wrote:
Islam is a bigger threat today than the Nazis were in the 1940's. Where are our defenses?

hyperbole

Denial

No it is hyperbole.

Extreme Islamic groups are causing terror and havoc across the world. This is true. These groups are evil and in need of extermination. They are a major problem that is only going to get worse unless we deal with it.

However, lets not pretend that they are the threat that the Nazis were. None of these groups has anywhere near the capability to achieve world domination that the Nazis did. Had a few key battles gone their way, or had the Japanese never provoked the US into joining the Allies in WWII, there is a good chance that the Nazis would have conquered the majority of Europe, Russia, Africa and eventually even the America's and Australia. Had they invented the atomic bomb before the US, they almost certainly would have achieved all of that as nobody would have been able to stand against that kind of power.

So while the extreme Islamic groups of today are cause for major concern, and aggressive action, they are not the threat that Nazis were. If these extremists were to attempt to go toe to toe even with peaceful old Canada, they would fail rapidly and spectacularly. They know this, and that is why they employ the guerrilla tactics they do, and not the full scale warfare tactics that the Nazis used.

For them to be a comparable threat to the Nazis, then Europe would need to be in danger not just of terrorism, and religious intimidation, but of outright invasion. And that is just not the case.
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9/11/2015 6:53:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/11/2015 6:23:03 PM, JMcKinley wrote:
At 9/11/2015 5:43:29 PM, Sooner wrote:
At 9/11/2015 5:33:26 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/11/2015 4:36:52 PM, Sooner wrote:
Islam is a bigger threat today than the Nazis were in the 1940'sThe Nazis weren't . Where are our defenses?

hyperbole

Denial

No it is hyperbole.

Extreme Islamic groups are causing terror and havoc across the world. This is true. These groups are evil and in need of extermination. They are a major problem that is only going to get worse unless we deal with it.

However, lets not pretend that they are the threat that the Nazis were. None of these groups has anywhere near the capability to achieve world domination that the Nazis did. Had a few key battles gone their way, or had the Japanese never provoked the US into joining the Allies in WWII, there is a good chance that the Nazis would have conquered the majority of Europe, Russia, Africa and eventually even the America's and Australia. Had they invented the atomic bomb before the US, they almost certainly would have achieved all of that as nobody would have been able to stand against that kind of power.

So while the extreme Islamic groups of today are cause for major concern, and aggressive action, they are not the threat that Nazis were. If these extremists were to attempt to go toe to toe even with peaceful old Canada, they would fail rapidly and spectacularly. They know this, and that is why they employ the guerrilla tactics they do, and not the full scale warfare tactics that the Nazis used.

For them to be a comparable threat to the Nazis, then Europe would need to be in danger not just of terrorism, and religious intimidation, but of outright invasion. And that is just not the case.

The Nazis were not 1 billion 750,000 million strong, and they were isolated to one region. Islam is in every region and emassing.
Ignoring problems doesn't make them go away.
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9/11/2015 7:51:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/11/2015 6:53:31 PM, Sooner wrote:
At 9/11/2015 6:23:03 PM, JMcKinley wrote:
At 9/11/2015 5:43:29 PM, Sooner wrote:
At 9/11/2015 5:33:26 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/11/2015 4:36:52 PM, Sooner wrote:
Islam is a bigger threat today than the Nazis were in the 1940'sThe Nazis weren't . Where are our defenses?

hyperbole

Denial

No it is hyperbole.

Extreme Islamic groups are causing terror and havoc across the world. This is true. These groups are evil and in need of extermination. They are a major problem that is only going to get worse unless we deal with it.

However, lets not pretend that they are the threat that the Nazis were. None of these groups has anywhere near the capability to achieve world domination that the Nazis did. Had a few key battles gone their way, or had the Japanese never provoked the US into joining the Allies in WWII, there is a good chance that the Nazis would have conquered the majority of Europe, Russia, Africa and eventually even the America's and Australia. Had they invented the atomic bomb before the US, they almost certainly would have achieved all of that as nobody would have been able to stand against that kind of power.

So while the extreme Islamic groups of today are cause for major concern, and aggressive action, they are not the threat that Nazis were. If these extremists were to attempt to go toe to toe even with peaceful old Canada, they would fail rapidly and spectacularly. They know this, and that is why they employ the guerrilla tactics they do, and not the full scale warfare tactics that the Nazis used.

For them to be a comparable threat to the Nazis, then Europe would need to be in danger not just of terrorism, and religious intimidation, but of outright invasion. And that is just not the case.

The Nazis were not 1 billion 750,000 million strong, and they were isolated to one region. Islam is in every region and emassing.

Extremists Muslims do not number near that either. And major terrorist groups are also isolated to one region. Sure they've managed a few attacks on foreign soil. But from an objective viewpoint those attacks weren't that bad. Even 911 can't be compared to the Blitzkreig on the UK. Yes it was terrible, but in terms of lives lost and damage done, its not even in the same league.

Are extreme Islamic groups a threat? Absolutely. Are they an equal or greater threat than the Nazis? Not even close.
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9/11/2015 8:35:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Based on the quickness of your response I assume you did not watch the videos.
Nope

You do about demographics? No Western has an average of 2 kids which means the parents are not replacing themselves and the western population declines. But in France for example Muslims have 8+ kids per couple. The math is simple. It won't take long based on basic math.
Right. And your concern is? We could talk about why and how birthrates rise and flatten, but that is not what you are concerned about. You are concerned that Muslims will be a majority. I don't worry about that in any real way.

The U.S was warned about the Nazis and yawned. Then they were in the middle of the largest war ever fought on Earth against a group willing to burn humans alive and torture prisoners. They were like an ostrich. They yawned and got hit in the mouth repeatedly.
We were going to join the fight regardless, but your initial comparison is laughable. Germany by 19040 had a good chunk of Europe. The M.E. is a infighting bickering mess. Its not the same at all.
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9/11/2015 8:38:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Extreme Islamic groups are causing terror and havoc across the world. This is true. These groups are evil and in need of extermination. They are a major problem that is only going to get worse unless we deal with it.

Really... OK. How many people outside of the M.E. have been killed in direct conflict with this existential threat? The last year, the last ten years? How many?

However, lets not pretend that they are the threat that the Nazis were. None of these groups has anywhere near the capability to achieve world domination that the Nazis did.
Yup
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9/11/2015 11:05:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/11/2015 6:19:07 PM, Sooner wrote:
In 2011 it was reported that the United Kingdom had around 100,000 converts to Islam,[8] of which 66% were women. There were an estimated 5,200 conversions to Islam in 2011.[9] Islam is the second fastest growing religious confession in the UK after irreligion and its adherents have the lowest average age out of all the major religious groups.[10] Between 2001 and 2009 the Muslim population increased almost 10 times faster than the non-Muslim population.

(Wikipedia)


See how that works? Christianity disappears. And then irreligion comes in and empties the room of religion and a new belief walks in. The problem with irreligion is it tolerates anything and everything. It sounds nice in theory, but you don't fortify, you get taken over. That's just reality.


Matthew 12:43
When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it.

Matthew 12:44
Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order.

Matthew 12:45
Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation."

You're missing the forest for the trees. Islam has never functioned by infiltrating a hostile society as you describe, they either spread slowly through trade without any sort of official Islamic takeover (Indonesia) or they conquer, establish supremacy, then follow the Roman principle of 'crowning victory with peace' and rule in a way which prioritizes social order above all else.

What extremist Muslims are using Europe for now is a fertile recruiting ground. They see moderate Muslims in the UK as possible recruits to their cause, and so actively pursue events like the Charlie Hebdo attacks which will incite hatred against Muslims in the West. Westerners stupidly comply, alienate the moderate Muslims with waves of hostility in response to the attacks, and then what was once a moderate population is ripe for the picking when the extremists come along. The biggest mistake that Westerners make is to think that terrorists are stupid, unsophisticated brutes. Terrorism isn't a brute strategy; it's an elegant one which requires the executor to think several steps in advance, and to make a move with not the immediate effects in mind, but the ripple which spreads from the single act. This is how they fight a far larger, better supplied foe: by relying on their enemy's strength and volatility, and then manipulating the enemy into harming itself.

This is why when people ground flights across America because one man failed at bombing a plane, they are playing into the terrorists hands: from their view, they just crippled US air traffic for an entire day for the cost of a fire cracker. When they shoot up a French magazine, the point isn't to kill a few people, it's to create an environment which allows them to operate more easily: a breakdown in communication and empathy between Muslims and the surrounding culture.

Their goal isn't to dominate the West, but to cripple it while strengthening themselves, and they're doing it because the West put in place structural impediments to the reunification of the Middle East after breaking up the Ottoman Empire and then stabbing the Arab Revolt in the back. In order to maintain unipolar hegemony, we've been maintaining and reinforcing those barriers for decades, and now that our influence in the world is waning they, too, are weakening. It's the twilight of Pax Americana, and there's blood in the water. They see their chance to reunite, they're taking it, and we're standing in the way.
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9/11/2015 11:45:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/11/2015 6:18:29 PM, Sooner wrote:
At 9/11/2015 5:57:57 PM, TBR wrote:
Yea, I have no love for Islam, but this fear talking.

Over the top reaction, but... yawn...

Based on the quickness of your response I assume you did not watch the videos. They are long. You do about demographics? No Western has an average of 2 kids which means the parents are not replacing themselves and the western population declines. But in France for example Muslims have 8+ kids per couple. The math is simple. It won't take long based on basic math. The U.S was warned about the Nazis and yawned. Then they were in the middle of the largest war ever fought on Earth against a group willing to burn humans alive and torture prisoners. They were like an ostrich. They yawned and got hit in the mouth repeatedly.

No they didn't yawn, they just didn't care. It was happening in Europe and to a point the view was we ain't going to get involved into ANOTHER European war.

Later on the view changed to hmmmm I think Hitler might have us in his sights down the that's when they become concerned.

It wasn't about concern for the jews, or democracy or whatever, they just made a call when or when it was not in their interest to get involved.

So you can shove your analogy up your laughable threat assessment.

The problem I find with christians is that there are ways to destroy the threat within islam, such as reason over faith/dogma, the rejection of books being infallible, teaching critical reasoning, the rejection of religious indoctrination of children........BUT doing those things would also mean Christianity takes a hit too..........

I find some christians who like to go into the threat of islam are not really concerned about the fundamental problems.............there primary concern is about a different religion becoming more numerous than their own.

This is what I suspect of you.
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9/12/2015 1:04:43 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/11/2015 4:36:52 PM, Sooner wrote:
Islam is a bigger threat today than the Nazis were in the 1940's. Where are our defenses?

I am sorry to inform you but you've been misled by propaganda. Every era needs bogeymen.
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9/12/2015 1:35:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/11/2015 4:36:52 PM, Sooner wrote:
Islam is a bigger threat today than the Nazis were in the 1940's. Where are our defenses?

How would you stop the threat of Islam spreading?
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9/12/2015 1:59:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
For him, it is obviously about Christianity losing, and Islam winning. Out "birthing" the Christians.
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9/12/2015 2:10:49 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/11/2015 5:43:53 PM, Sooner wrote:
Demographics-

https://youtu.be...

-Muslims to March on the Capital of Florida-

https://youtu.be...

-Warning to America(Part 1)-

https://youtu.be...

-Warning to America(Part 2)-

https://youtu.be...

-London the New Islamic Capital...-

https://youtu.be...

-Wake Up Sweden!-

https://youtu.be...

-55 Islamic groups have Taken Control inside of Sweden-

https://youtu.be...

-Norway Islamic Raping of Blonde Women Epidemic-

https://youtu.be...

-Islamic Effects in Germany-

https://youtu.be...

-Spain has been Islamsized-

https://youtu.be...

-Italy fed up With Islam-

https://youtu.be...

-Moscow's Giant Islamic Problem-

https://youtu.be...

-England is Falling to Islam-

https://youtu.be...

-European countries About to Become Islamic States-

https://youtu.be...

There is a big Difference.(Christianity and Judaism vs. ?)

https://youtu.be...

-The Haj-

http://youtu.be...

https://youtu.be...

https://youtu.be...

https://youtu.be...

-This Land is Islam's Land Not Yours America-

https://youtu.be...

Nice list Mr. Duane Gish.
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9/12/2015 2:29:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/12/2015 2:10:49 AM, n7 wrote:
At 9/11/2015 5:43:53 PM, Sooner wrote:
Demographics-

https://youtu.be...

-Muslims to March on the Capital of Florida-

https://youtu.be...

-Warning to America(Part 1)-

https://youtu.be...

-Warning to America(Part 2)-

https://youtu.be...

-London the New Islamic Capital...-

https://youtu.be...

-Wake Up Sweden!-

https://youtu.be...

-55 Islamic groups have Taken Control inside of Sweden-

https://youtu.be...

-Norway Islamic Raping of Blonde Women Epidemic-

https://youtu.be...

-Islamic Effects in Germany-

https://youtu.be...

-Spain has been Islamsized-

https://youtu.be...

-Italy fed up With Islam-

https://youtu.be...

-Moscow's Giant Islamic Problem-

https://youtu.be...

-England is Falling to Islam-

https://youtu.be...

-European countries About to Become Islamic States-

https://youtu.be...

There is a big Difference.(Christianity and Judaism vs. ?)

https://youtu.be...

-The Haj-

http://youtu.be...

https://youtu.be...

https://youtu.be...

https://youtu.be...

-This Land is Islam's Land Not Yours America-

https://youtu.be...

Nice list Mr. Duane Gish.

I'm assuming you watched none of the videos. None of the videos have anything to do with Creationism. Duane Gish's focus was Creationism.
Ignoring problems doesn't make them go away.
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9/12/2015 2:37:44 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/12/2015 2:29:23 AM, Sooner wrote:
At 9/12/2015 2:10:49 AM, n7 wrote:
At 9/11/2015 5:43:53 PM, Sooner wrote:
Demographics-

https://youtu.be...

-Muslims to March on the Capital of Florida-

https://youtu.be...

-Warning to America(Part 1)-

https://youtu.be...

-Warning to America(Part 2)-

https://youtu.be...

-London the New Islamic Capital...-

https://youtu.be...

-Wake Up Sweden!-

https://youtu.be...

-55 Islamic groups have Taken Control inside of Sweden-

https://youtu.be...

-Norway Islamic Raping of Blonde Women Epidemic-

https://youtu.be...

-Islamic Effects in Germany-

https://youtu.be...

-Spain has been Islamsized-

https://youtu.be...

-Italy fed up With Islam-

https://youtu.be...

-Moscow's Giant Islamic Problem-

https://youtu.be...

-England is Falling to Islam-

https://youtu.be...

-European countries About to Become Islamic States-

https://youtu.be...

There is a big Difference.(Christianity and Judaism vs. ?)

https://youtu.be...

-The Haj-

http://youtu.be...

https://youtu.be...

https://youtu.be...

https://youtu.be...

-This Land is Islam's Land Not Yours America-

https://youtu.be...

Nice list Mr. Duane Gish.

I'm assuming you watched none of the videos. None of the videos have anything to do with Creationism. Duane Gish's focus was Creationism.

Which one of these wonderful videos do you really want people to watch. Pick one.
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9/12/2015 2:41:10 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I am watching the first one. Everyone watch it. Great scary music.. Threatening statistics.

YUP the Muslim are taking Europe!!! Run in terror!

Here is the thing. While I dislike Islam slightly more than Christianity, I am not willing to start popping out extra kids to help you in your religious war.
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9/12/2015 2:59:07 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/11/2015 4:36:52 PM, Sooner wrote:
Islam is a bigger threat today than the Nazis were in the 1940's. Where are our defenses?

Stop getting your information about Islam from Curt Schilling.
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9/12/2015 3:04:07 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/12/2015 2:37:44 AM, TBR wrote:
At 9/12/2015 2:29:23 AM, Sooner wrote:
At 9/12/2015 2:10:49 AM, n7 wrote:
At 9/11/2015 5:43:53 PM, Sooner wrote:
Demographics-

https://youtu.be...

-Muslims to March on the Capital of Florida-

https://youtu.be...

-Warning to America(Part 1)-

https://youtu.be...

-Warning to America(Part 2)-

https://youtu.be...

-London the New Islamic Capital...-

https://youtu.be...

-Wake Up Sweden!-

https://youtu.be...

-55 Islamic groups have Taken Control inside of Sweden-

https://youtu.be...

-Norway Islamic Raping of Blonde Women Epidemic-

https://youtu.be...

-Islamic Effects in Germany-

https://youtu.be...

-Spain has been Islamsized-

https://youtu.be...

-Italy fed up With Islam-

https://youtu.be...

-Moscow's Giant Islamic Problem-

https://youtu.be...

-England is Falling to Islam-

https://youtu.be...

-European countries About to Become Islamic States-

https://youtu.be...

There is a big Difference.(Christianity and Judaism vs. ?)

https://youtu.be...

-The Haj-

http://youtu.be...

https://youtu.be...

https://youtu.be...

https://youtu.be...

-This Land is Islam's Land Not Yours America-

https://youtu.be...

Nice list Mr. Duane Gish.

I'm assuming you watched none of the videos. None of the videos have anything to do with Creationism. Duane Gish's focus was Creationism.

Which one of these wonderful videos do you really want people to watch. Pick one.

None. You can simoly read the titles and context and see this has nothing to do with Creationism. If you have no interest in the thread, you know what to do.
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9/12/2015 3:09:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/11/2015 6:23:03 PM, JMcKinley wrote:
At 9/11/2015 5:43:29 PM, Sooner wrote:
At 9/11/2015 5:33:26 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/11/2015 4:36:52 PM, Sooner wrote:
Islam is a bigger threat today than the Nazis were in the 1940's. Where are our defenses?

hyperbole

Denial

No it is hyperbole.

Extreme Islamic groups are causing terror and havoc across the world. This is true. These groups are evil and in need of extermination. They are a major problem that is only going to get worse unless we deal with it.

However, lets not pretend that they are the threat that the Nazis were. None of these groups has anywhere near the capability to achieve world domination that the Nazis did. Had a few key battles gone their way, or had the Japanese never provoked the US into joining the Allies in WWII, there is a good chance that the Nazis would have conquered the majority of Europe, Russia, Africa and eventually even the America's and Australia. Had they invented the atomic bomb before the US, they almost certainly would have achieved all of that as nobody would have been able to stand against that kind of power.

So while the extreme Islamic groups of today are cause for major concern, and aggressive action, they are not the threat that Nazis were. If these extremists were to attempt to go toe to toe even with peaceful old Canada, they would fail rapidly and spectacularly. They know this, and that is why they employ the guerrilla tactics they do, and not the full scale warfare tactics that the Nazis used.

For them to be a comparable threat to the Nazis, then Europe would need to be in danger not just of terrorism, and religious intimidation, but of outright invasion. And that is just not the case.

They are being invaded. Ever heard of the silent jihad? It means we take you over slowly from the inside through politics, immigration, outbreeding, and simply slowing getting control by numbers.
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9/12/2015 3:13:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/11/2015 11:45:17 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 9/11/2015 6:18:29 PM, Sooner wrote:
At 9/11/2015 5:57:57 PM, TBR wrote:
Yea, I have no love for Islam, but this fear talking.

Over the top reaction, but... yawn...

Based on the quickness of your response I assume you did not watch the videos. They are long. You do about demographics? No Western has an average of 2 kids which means the parents are not replacing themselves and the western population declines. But in France for example Muslims have 8+ kids per couple. The math is simple. It won't take long based on basic math. The U.S was warned about the Nazis and yawned. Then they were in the middle of the largest war ever fought on Earth against a group willing to burn humans alive and torture prisoners. They were like an ostrich. They yawned and got hit in the mouth repeatedly.

No they didn't yawn, they just didn't care. It was happening in Europe and to a point the view was we ain't going to get involved into ANOTHER European war.

Later on the view changed to hmmmm I think Hitler might have us in his sights down the that's when they become concerned.

It wasn't about concern for the jews, or democracy or whatever, they just made a call when or when it was not in their interest to get involved.

So you can shove your analogy up your laughable threat assessment.

The problem I find with christians is that there are ways to destroy the threat within islam, such as reason over faith/dogma, the rejection of books being infallible, teaching critical reasoning, the rejection of religious indoctrination of children........BUT doing those things would also mean Christianity takes a hit too..........

I find some christians who like to go into the threat of islam are not really concerned about the fundamental problems.............there primary concern is about a different religion becoming more numerous than their own.

This is what I suspect of you.

Why would I care about numbers? For what gain? This thread is a warning that anyone educated on Islam already knows, and therein lies the problem.
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9/12/2015 3:14:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
They are being invaded. Ever heard of the silent jihad? It means we take you over slowly from the inside through politics, immigration, outbreeding, and simply slowing getting control by numbers.

Well, I was not the one discussing creationism, but these videos are even less interesting.

Look. The Muslim birthrates will stabilize at some point too. All you seem to be talking about is some cultural "take over". Tell you what. You may learn what it is like to be an atheist, or other minority.
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9/12/2015 3:41:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/12/2015 3:14:06 AM, TBR wrote:
They are being invaded. Ever heard of the silent jihad? It means we take y:ou over slowly from the inside through politics, immigration, outbreeding, and simply slowing getting control by numbers.

Well, I was not the one discussing creationism, but these videos are even less interesting.

Look. The Muslim birthrates will stabilize at some point too. All you seem to be talking about is some cultural "take over". Tell you what. You may learn what it is like to be an atheist, or other minority.

Okay. I'll give you someone of interest to Atheists.
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