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9/21/2015 9:07:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Scott Walker, the man who was once top of Republican Primary polls is falling out after his "We did it in Wis we can do it here" argument sent him to the top with his campaign against Unions. (https://www.yahoo.com...) Now he's dropping out like Rick Perry did. Thoughts on how this impacts the race?
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9/21/2015 9:10:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I thought you meant he was stepping down from his position as governor of Wisconsin.

His poll numbers are so low it will hardly affect the race at this point.
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9/21/2015 9:13:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/21/2015 9:10:25 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I thought you meant he was stepping down from his position as governor of Wisconsin.

His poll numbers are so low it will hardly affect the race at this point.

Agreed. It will still be interesting to see who benefits from the slight bump his supporters could be, though. My bet's on Trump and Fiorina benefiting, with Christie and Kasich seeing smaller gains.
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9/21/2015 9:15:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/21/2015 9:13:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:10:25 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I thought you meant he was stepping down from his position as governor of Wisconsin.

His poll numbers are so low it will hardly affect the race at this point.

Agreed. It will still be interesting to see who benefits from the slight bump his supporters could be, though. My bet's on Trump and Fiorina benefiting, with Christie and Kasich seeing smaller gains.

I mean, among the entirety of people who take part in polling for either party, he has less supporters than Lincoln Chafee. He has no impact anymore.
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9/21/2015 9:15:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/21/2015 9:15:01 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:13:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:10:25 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I thought you meant he was stepping down from his position as governor of Wisconsin.

His poll numbers are so low it will hardly affect the race at this point.

Agreed. It will still be interesting to see who benefits from the slight bump his supporters could be, though. My bet's on Trump and Fiorina benefiting, with Christie and Kasich seeing smaller gains.

I mean, among the entirety of people who take part in polling for either party, he has less supporters than Lincoln Chafee. He has no impact anymore.

Lol...Trust me, in a crowded field, even .05% matters.
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9/21/2015 9:17:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/21/2015 9:15:46 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:15:01 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:13:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:10:25 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I thought you meant he was stepping down from his position as governor of Wisconsin.

His poll numbers are so low it will hardly affect the race at this point.

Agreed. It will still be interesting to see who benefits from the slight bump his supporters could be, though. My bet's on Trump and Fiorina benefiting, with Christie and Kasich seeing smaller gains.

I mean, among the entirety of people who take part in polling for either party, he has less supporters than Lincoln Chafee. He has no impact anymore.

Lol...Trust me, in a crowded field, even .05% matters.

Not if it goes out to multiple candidates.
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9/21/2015 9:18:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/21/2015 9:15:46 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:15:01 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:13:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:10:25 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I thought you meant he was stepping down from his position as governor of Wisconsin.

His poll numbers are so low it will hardly affect the race at this point.

Agreed. It will still be interesting to see who benefits from the slight bump his supporters could be, though. My bet's on Trump and Fiorina benefiting, with Christie and Kasich seeing smaller gains.

I mean, among the entirety of people who take part in polling for either party, he has less supporters than Lincoln Chafee. He has no impact anymore.

Lol...Trust me, in a crowded field, even .05% matters.

He was actually polling for 0% not too long ago.
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9/21/2015 9:22:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/21/2015 9:18:07 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:15:46 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:15:01 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:13:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:10:25 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I thought you meant he was stepping down from his position as governor of Wisconsin.

His poll numbers are so low it will hardly affect the race at this point.

Agreed. It will still be interesting to see who benefits from the slight bump his supporters could be, though. My bet's on Trump and Fiorina benefiting, with Christie and Kasich seeing smaller gains.

I mean, among the entirety of people who take part in polling for either party, he has less supporters than Lincoln Chafee. He has no impact anymore.

Lol...Trust me, in a crowded field, even .05% matters.

He was actually polling for 0% not too long ago.

I was quoting what the article said...
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9/21/2015 9:23:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/21/2015 9:17:59 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:15:46 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:15:01 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:13:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:10:25 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I thought you meant he was stepping down from his position as governor of Wisconsin.

His poll numbers are so low it will hardly affect the race at this point.

Agreed. It will still be interesting to see who benefits from the slight bump his supporters could be, though. My bet's on Trump and Fiorina benefiting, with Christie and Kasich seeing smaller gains.

I mean, among the entirety of people who take part in polling for either party, he has less supporters than Lincoln Chafee. He has no impact anymore.

Lol...Trust me, in a crowded field, even .05% matters.

Not if it goes out to multiple candidates.

That doesn't mean it doesn't matter. Every vote will count in Iowa, esp.
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9/21/2015 9:24:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
More to follow! Can't stump the Trump!

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9/21/2015 9:29:55 PM
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At 9/21/2015 9:24:57 PM, thett3 wrote:
More to follow! Can't stump the Trump!

#WalkerWalks #TrumpTriumphs

Rofl
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9/21/2015 9:39:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/21/2015 9:29:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:24:57 PM, thett3 wrote:
More to follow! Can't stump the Trump!

#WalkerWalks #TrumpTriumphs

Rofl

I am laughing so hard at how Trump is just DESTROYING the Republican field. Early on, Fivethirtyeight gave Walker about a 1/3rd chance at the nomination. I know that political analysts and commentators tend to overemphasize the importance of every political movement (that is their job after all) but the rise of Trump imo actually represents a significant event. Rightists--including me--are SICK of the Republican party losing on every issue that matters to them. Good thing we kept the corporate taxes low, though. We need a bigger tax base so we can save up for another pointless, suicidal war in the Middle East. Supporting Trump is a way, finally a way, to spit in the eye of the establishment. It kind of sucks that Walker is the first to go because he's actually far from the worst but the point remains. So yes. I hope Teflon Don keeps destroying the careers of these people
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9/21/2015 9:40:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/21/2015 9:39:03 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:29:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:24:57 PM, thett3 wrote:
More to follow! Can't stump the Trump!

#WalkerWalks #TrumpTriumphs

Rofl

I am laughing so hard at how Trump is just DESTROYING the Republican field. Early on, Fivethirtyeight gave Walker about a 1/3rd chance at the nomination. I know that political analysts and commentators tend to overemphasize the importance of every political movement (that is their job after all) but the rise of Trump imo actually represents a significant event. Rightists--including me--are SICK of the Republican party losing on every issue that matters to them. Good thing we kept the corporate taxes low, though. We need a bigger tax base so we can save up for another pointless, suicidal war in the Middle East. Supporting Trump is a way, finally a way, to spit in the eye of the establishment. It kind of sucks that Walker is the first to go because he's actually far from the worst but the point remains. So yes. I hope Teflon Don keeps destroying the careers of these people

Do you intend to vote Trump?
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9/21/2015 9:42:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/21/2015 9:40:39 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:39:03 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:29:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:24:57 PM, thett3 wrote:
More to follow! Can't stump the Trump!

#WalkerWalks #TrumpTriumphs

Rofl

I am laughing so hard at how Trump is just DESTROYING the Republican field. Early on, Fivethirtyeight gave Walker about a 1/3rd chance at the nomination. I know that political analysts and commentators tend to overemphasize the importance of every political movement (that is their job after all) but the rise of Trump imo actually represents a significant event. Rightists--including me--are SICK of the Republican party losing on every issue that matters to them. Good thing we kept the corporate taxes low, though. We need a bigger tax base so we can save up for another pointless, suicidal war in the Middle East. Supporting Trump is a way, finally a way, to spit in the eye of the establishment. It kind of sucks that Walker is the first to go because he's actually far from the worst but the point remains. So yes. I hope Teflon Don keeps destroying the careers of these people

Do you intend to vote Trump?

If I vote, probably. If I could individually choose the Republican nominee, no. But since my vote does not actually matter except to me I'm not sure I can resist such an opportunity to spit in the eye of the politicians and the establishment

I know, I'm so edgy
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9/21/2015 9:43:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/21/2015 9:42:43 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:40:39 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Do you intend to vote Trump?

If I vote, probably. If I could individually choose the Republican nominee, no. But since my vote does not actually matter except to me I'm not sure I can resist such an opportunity to spit in the eye of the politicians and the establishment

Okay...As long as you don't actually want Trump in the Whitehouse. If you could choose the nominee on your own, who'd be your pick? I am curious...

I know, I'm so edgy

Rofl...
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9/21/2015 9:51:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/21/2015 9:43:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:42:43 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:40:39 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Do you intend to vote Trump?

If I vote, probably. If I could individually choose the Republican nominee, no. But since my vote does not actually matter except to me I'm not sure I can resist such an opportunity to spit in the eye of the politicians and the establishment

Okay...As long as you don't actually want Trump in the Whitehouse. If you could choose the nominee on your own, who'd be your pick? I am curious...

Definitely Rand Paul. I am not anywhere close to the libertarian I once was but it's like...other than Trump, Paul is the only one of the lot who seems to be living in reality. Look at their answers on foreign policy. The other candidates are living in an alternate reality where the American military is weak. I understand that as the hegemon we will obviously spend way more on our military than the average country and I'm okay with that. I'm even okay with interventionism in lots of circumstances (even though obviously the past few like Iraq and Libya were handled very poorly) but the fear mongering about how Obama has made us weak is just factually wrong.

There are a ton of other similar issues that I'm not going to get into right now that are similar. I wish Ted Cruz wasn't so radical because he's a smart guy and I respect his fighter attitude, but he just picks the wrong issues. Shutting down the government over Obamacare is stupid, and Kim Davis is an idiot. I sometimes think that Cruz, like Trump, is just a political troll


I know, I'm so edgy

Rofl...
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9/21/2015 9:52:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/21/2015 9:51:00 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:43:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:42:43 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:40:39 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Do you intend to vote Trump?

If I vote, probably. If I could individually choose the Republican nominee, no. But since my vote does not actually matter except to me I'm not sure I can resist such an opportunity to spit in the eye of the politicians and the establishment

Okay...As long as you don't actually want Trump in the Whitehouse. If you could choose the nominee on your own, who'd be your pick? I am curious...

Definitely Rand Paul. I am not anywhere close to the libertarian I once was but it's like...other than Trump, Paul is the only one of the lot who seems to be living in reality. Look at their answers on foreign policy. The other candidates are living in an alternate reality where the American military is weak. I understand that as the hegemon we will obviously spend way more on our military than the average country and I'm okay with that. I'm even okay with interventionism in lots of circumstances (even though obviously the past few like Iraq and Libya were handled very poorly) but the fear mongering about how Obama has made us weak is just factually wrong.

I will say though that I agree that Obama's decision to just up and leave Iraq was incredibly bad. When you destabilize a region, you have to remain there as a stabilizing force. The Iraq war was a horrible policy decision, obviously, but just up and leaving was the worst way to handle it.

There are a ton of other similar issues that I'm not going to get into right now that are similar. I wish Ted Cruz wasn't so radical because he's a smart guy and I respect his fighter attitude, but he just picks the wrong issues. Shutting down the government over Obamacare is stupid, and Kim Davis is an idiot. I sometimes think that Cruz, like Trump, is just a political troll


I know, I'm so edgy

Rofl...
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9/21/2015 9:54:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/21/2015 9:51:00 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:43:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:42:43 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:40:39 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Do you intend to vote Trump?

If I vote, probably. If I could individually choose the Republican nominee, no. But since my vote does not actually matter except to me I'm not sure I can resist such an opportunity to spit in the eye of the politicians and the establishment

Okay...As long as you don't actually want Trump in the Whitehouse. If you could choose the nominee on your own, who'd be your pick? I am curious...

Definitely Rand Paul. I am not anywhere close to the libertarian I once was but it's like...other than Trump, Paul is the only one of the lot who seems to be living in reality. Look at their answers on foreign policy. The other candidates are living in an alternate reality where the American military is weak. I understand that as the hegemon we will obviously spend way more on our military than the average country and I'm okay with that. I'm even okay with interventionism in lots of circumstances (even though obviously the past few like Iraq and Libya were handled very poorly) but the fear mongering about how Obama has made us weak is just factually wrong.

So much this. So, so much this.

I don't really dislike Rand Paul...I dislike some of his positions, but I don't see him as a buffoon. The best GOP candidate ever was, IMO, John Huntsman, but he's woefully un-electable in the red world the GOP exists in now.

There are a ton of other similar issues that I'm not going to get into right now that are similar. I wish Ted Cruz wasn't so radical because he's a smart guy and I respect his fighter attitude, but he just picks the wrong issues. Shutting down the government over Obamacare is stupid, and Kim Davis is an idiot. I sometimes think that Cruz, like Trump, is just a political troll

Agreed, here. Frankly, I just think Cruz would say anything to win...
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9/21/2015 10:02:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/21/2015 9:54:11 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:51:00 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:43:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:42:43 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:40:39 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Do you intend to vote Trump?

If I vote, probably. If I could individually choose the Republican nominee, no. But since my vote does not actually matter except to me I'm not sure I can resist such an opportunity to spit in the eye of the politicians and the establishment

Okay...As long as you don't actually want Trump in the Whitehouse. If you could choose the nominee on your own, who'd be your pick? I am curious...

Definitely Rand Paul. I am not anywhere close to the libertarian I once was but it's like...other than Trump, Paul is the only one of the lot who seems to be living in reality. Look at their answers on foreign policy. The other candidates are living in an alternate reality where the American military is weak. I understand that as the hegemon we will obviously spend way more on our military than the average country and I'm okay with that. I'm even okay with interventionism in lots of circumstances (even though obviously the past few like Iraq and Libya were handled very poorly) but the fear mongering about how Obama has made us weak is just factually wrong.

So much this. So, so much this.

I don't really dislike Rand Paul...I dislike some of his positions, but I don't see him as a buffoon. The best GOP candidate ever was, IMO, John Huntsman, but he's woefully un-electable in the red world the GOP exists in now.

I don't know much about him, but I've heard a lot of center-left people saying the same thing. American politics has become very polarized for a variety of reasons, but I think part of the reason GOP voters are unwilling to support a moderate candidate is because we've already seen that happen and if the unexciting, establishment, moderate candidate actually manages to win all they will do is whatever their donors tell them to do. Bush could have done almost ANYTHING in the wake of 9/11, and what did he choose to do? What is the legacy of the Bush administration? Starting pointless wars and appointing justices like John Roberts? No, screw the establishment. Clinton was more right wing on a lot of issues in 1996 than Jeb Bush is now (seriously, check out the 1996 Democratic platform it's insane). Nice job CONSERVING things, establishment. They're far more interested in winning than anything else, but hey, at least we only raised the marginal tax rate on incomes over $450,000 instead of $250,000.


There are a ton of other similar issues that I'm not going to get into right now that are similar. I wish Ted Cruz wasn't so radical because he's a smart guy and I respect his fighter attitude, but he just picks the wrong issues. Shutting down the government over Obamacare is stupid, and Kim Davis is an idiot. I sometimes think that Cruz, like Trump, is just a political troll

Agreed, here. Frankly, I just think Cruz would say anything to win...
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9/21/2015 10:05:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/21/2015 10:02:34 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:54:11 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:51:00 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:43:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:42:43 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:40:39 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Do you intend to vote Trump?

If I vote, probably. If I could individually choose the Republican nominee, no. But since my vote does not actually matter except to me I'm not sure I can resist such an opportunity to spit in the eye of the politicians and the establishment

Okay...As long as you don't actually want Trump in the Whitehouse. If you could choose the nominee on your own, who'd be your pick? I am curious...

Definitely Rand Paul. I am not anywhere close to the libertarian I once was but it's like...other than Trump, Paul is the only one of the lot who seems to be living in reality. Look at their answers on foreign policy. The other candidates are living in an alternate reality where the American military is weak. I understand that as the hegemon we will obviously spend way more on our military than the average country and I'm okay with that. I'm even okay with interventionism in lots of circumstances (even though obviously the past few like Iraq and Libya were handled very poorly) but the fear mongering about how Obama has made us weak is just factually wrong.

So much this. So, so much this.

I don't really dislike Rand Paul...I dislike some of his positions, but I don't see him as a buffoon. The best GOP candidate ever was, IMO, John Huntsman, but he's woefully un-electable in the red world the GOP exists in now.

I don't know much about him, but I've heard a lot of center-left people saying the same thing. American politics has become very polarized for a variety of reasons, but I think part of the reason GOP voters are unwilling to support a moderate candidate is because we've already seen that happen and if the unexciting, establishment, moderate candidate actually manages to win all they will do is whatever their donors tell them to do. Bush could have done almost ANYTHING in the wake of 9/11, and what did he choose to do? What is the legacy of the Bush administration? Starting pointless wars and appointing justices like John Roberts? No, screw the establishment. Clinton was more right wing on a lot of issues in 1996 than Jeb Bush is now (seriously, check out the 1996 Democratic platform it's insane). Nice job CONSERVING things, establishment. They're far more interested in winning than anything else, but hey, at least we only raised the marginal tax rate on incomes over $450,000 instead of $250,000.

IDK...there is something to be said for winning. It typically means some big-issue subjects (like abortion, for instance) are kept on the right. But, generally, I can see where you're coming from.
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9/21/2015 10:09:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/21/2015 10:05:46 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 10:02:34 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:54:11 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:51:00 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:43:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:42:43 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:40:39 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Do you intend to vote Trump?

If I vote, probably. If I could individually choose the Republican nominee, no. But since my vote does not actually matter except to me I'm not sure I can resist such an opportunity to spit in the eye of the politicians and the establishment

Okay...As long as you don't actually want Trump in the Whitehouse. If you could choose the nominee on your own, who'd be your pick? I am curious...

Definitely Rand Paul. I am not anywhere close to the libertarian I once was but it's like...other than Trump, Paul is the only one of the lot who seems to be living in reality. Look at their answers on foreign policy. The other candidates are living in an alternate reality where the American military is weak. I understand that as the hegemon we will obviously spend way more on our military than the average country and I'm okay with that. I'm even okay with interventionism in lots of circumstances (even though obviously the past few like Iraq and Libya were handled very poorly) but the fear mongering about how Obama has made us weak is just factually wrong.

So much this. So, so much this.

I don't really dislike Rand Paul...I dislike some of his positions, but I don't see him as a buffoon. The best GOP candidate ever was, IMO, John Huntsman, but he's woefully un-electable in the red world the GOP exists in now.

I don't know much about him, but I've heard a lot of center-left people saying the same thing. American politics has become very polarized for a variety of reasons, but I think part of the reason GOP voters are unwilling to support a moderate candidate is because we've already seen that happen and if the unexciting, establishment, moderate candidate actually manages to win all they will do is whatever their donors tell them to do. Bush could have done almost ANYTHING in the wake of 9/11, and what did he choose to do? What is the legacy of the Bush administration? Starting pointless wars and appointing justices like John Roberts? No, screw the establishment. Clinton was more right wing on a lot of issues in 1996 than Jeb Bush is now (seriously, check out the 1996 Democratic platform it's insane). Nice job CONSERVING things, establishment. They're far more interested in winning than anything else, but hey, at least we only raised the marginal tax rate on incomes over $450,000 instead of $250,000.

IDK...there is something to be said for winning. It typically means some big-issue subjects (like abortion, for instance) are kept on the right. But, generally, I can see where you're coming from.

Yes, the GOP has done well on abortion and gun rights (although that's more due to the NRA and the fact that massive amounts of Americans are actually gun owners), but that's about it. I can't go so far as to say they're completely useless, but anyone who does not realize that they're controlled by big money simply isn't paying attention. The democrats definitely have this issue too (look at Clintons list of top donors...) but for various reasons the problem isn't as bad. Yet.
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9/21/2015 10:17:38 PM
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At 9/21/2015 9:10:25 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I thought you meant he was stepping down from his position as governor of Wisconsin.

His poll numbers are so low it will hardly affect the race at this point.

I know, but I'm shocked how his popularity fell so quickly.
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9/21/2015 11:14:19 PM
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Holy sh*t... I mean it is still relatively early. I mean I don't think Donald Trump's popularity will last forever (I hope this is the case).
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9/21/2015 11:20:30 PM
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Originally, I thought Walker would be one of the ideal choices for the GOP (Marco Rubio is the other). Too boring is the only way to put it.
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9/21/2015 11:30:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/21/2015 10:17:38 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:10:25 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I thought you meant he was stepping down from his position as governor of Wisconsin.

His poll numbers are so low it will hardly affect the race at this point.

I know, but I'm shocked how his popularity fell so quickly.

Same here. He was one of the *better* candidates imho...
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9/21/2015 11:31:21 PM
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At 9/21/2015 11:20:30 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
Originally, I thought Walker would be one of the ideal choices for the GOP

I agree. :/
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9/21/2015 11:33:07 PM
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At 9/21/2015 9:07:26 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Scott Walker, the man who was once top of Republican Primary polls is falling out after his "We did it in Wis we can do it here" argument sent him to the top with his campaign against Unions. (https://www.yahoo.com...) Now he's dropping out like Rick Perry did. Thoughts on how this impacts the race?

Do you still Stand with Rand? I surely hope he doesn't drop out, he's a Top 3 for sure.
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9/21/2015 11:40:12 PM
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At 9/21/2015 9:52:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:51:00 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:43:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:42:43 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/21/2015 9:40:39 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Do you intend to vote Trump?

If I vote, probably. If I could individually choose the Republican nominee, no. But since my vote does not actually matter except to me I'm not sure I can resist such an opportunity to spit in the eye of the politicians and the establishment

Okay...As long as you don't actually want Trump in the Whitehouse. If you could choose the nominee on your own, who'd be your pick? I am curious...

Definitely Rand Paul. I am not anywhere close to the libertarian I once was but it's like...other than Trump, Paul is the only one of the lot who seems to be living in reality. Look at their answers on foreign policy. The other candidates are living in an alternate reality where the American military is weak. I understand that as the hegemon we will obviously spend way more on our military than the average country and I'm okay with that. I'm even okay with interventionism in lots of circumstances (even though obviously the past few like Iraq and Libya were handled very poorly) but the fear mongering about how Obama has made us weak is just factually wrong.

I will say though that I agree that Obama's decision to just up and leave Iraq was incredibly bad. When you destabilize a region, you have to remain there as a stabilizing force. The Iraq war was a horrible policy decision, obviously, but just up and leaving was the worst way to handle it.

That was not simply "Obama's decision". It was a plan put in motion by Bush and in case you forgot the Iraqi parliament voted to kick us out. The more grave incredibly poor decisions was overthrowing the Iraqi regime that stabilized the country and kept Iran's influence over the Shia majority in check.

There are a ton of other similar issues that I'm not going to get into right now that are similar. I wish Ted Cruz wasn't so radical because he's a smart guy and I respect his fighter attitude, but he just picks the wrong issues. Shutting down the government over Obamacare is stupid, and Kim Davis is an idiot. I sometimes think that Cruz, like Trump, is just a political troll


I know, I'm so edgy

Rofl...