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9/26/2015 1:48:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
The rabid base? The parts are divided close to even. Democrats hold a slight percentage advantage %47 to 42% republican. As it sits now, the republican base is digging deeper into the far right. How on earth to you plan to get moderates from the Democratic party, or independents?
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9/26/2015 2:38:02 AM
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You think moderates will break for the tea party? Asking kindly - are you insane? I presume it is joke, but the current track of the GOP is a complete mystery to me. Not the policy, the delusion that they can with with it.
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9/26/2015 2:43:26 AM
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I think when people say moderate Republican they mean a Republican that is actually a democrat. Look at Trump, people are calling him a radical conservative, but his only conservative position is immigration. He's pro socialized medicine, pro increasing taxes on the rich and pro a whole bunch of other liberal positions.
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9/26/2015 2:57:53 AM
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At 9/26/2015 2:43:26 AM, Wylted wrote:
I think when people say moderate Republican they mean a Republican that is actually a democrat. Look at Trump, people are calling him a radical conservative, but his only conservative position is immigration. He's pro socialized medicine, pro increasing taxes on the rich and pro a whole bunch of other liberal positions.

I don't disagree that some of his policies are moderate. Honestly, that is a saving grace, however his extremes are extreme. There is little reason to vote Trump is if you are moderate and like his position on medical care when you can take the Democratic.

I just don't see where the GOP thinks they are going to get the votes.
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9/26/2015 3:03:33 AM
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At 9/26/2015 1:48:25 AM, TBR wrote:
The rabid base? The parts are divided close to even. Democrats hold a slight percentage advantage %47 to 42% republican. As it sits now, the republican base is digging deeper into the far right. How on earth to you plan to get moderates from the Democratic party, or independents?

Join the hangout; we'll talk about why.
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9/26/2015 3:16:18 AM
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At 9/26/2015 2:57:53 AM, TBR wrote:
At 9/26/2015 2:43:26 AM, Wylted wrote:
I think when people say moderate Republican they mean a Republican that is actually a democrat. Look at Trump, people are calling him a radical conservative, but his only conservative position is immigration. He's pro socialized medicine, pro increasing taxes on the rich and pro a whole bunch of other liberal positions.

I don't disagree that some of his policies are moderate. Honestly, that is a saving grace, however his extremes are extreme. There is little reason to vote Trump is if you are moderate and like his position on medical care when you can take the Democratic.

I just don't see where the GOP thinks they are going to get the votes.

The Republican nominee will likely be a moderate, whatever the hell that means. Jeb Bush will be the Republican nominee.
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9/26/2015 3:25:11 AM
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What do you mean. Neither party is significantly "moving" left or right. They just both have moderate and extreme candidates.
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9/26/2015 3:39:30 AM
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At 9/26/2015 2:43:26 AM, Wylted wrote:
I think when people say moderate Republican they mean a Republican that is actually a democrat. Look at Trump, people are calling him a radical conservative, but his only conservative position is immigration. He's pro socialized medicine, pro increasing taxes on the rich and pro a whole bunch of other liberal positions.

I think you are in denial.
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9/26/2015 3:44:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/26/2015 3:39:30 AM, wsmunit7 wrote:
At 9/26/2015 2:43:26 AM, Wylted wrote:
I think when people say moderate Republican they mean a Republican that is actually a democrat. Look at Trump, people are calling him a radical conservative, but his only conservative position is immigration. He's pro socialized medicine, pro increasing taxes on the rich and pro a whole bunch of other liberal positions.

I think you are in denial.

In denial about what?
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9/26/2015 4:11:30 AM
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Even if the Republican party represents 50% of ALL voters, less the independants (which is now questionable), their pandering to their supposed (rabid) base has them divided. According to a Sept. 15, 2015 ABC/Washington Post poll (google it), 74% of the people support issuing same sex marriage license versus 19% against. Throw in their stance on immigration and other social issues that they pander to their "supposed" base, and they are doomed as far as the presidential election is concerned.

What the Democratic Party REALLY needs to do is work hard on turning out the vote to win in the House and Senate; and regain control of congress.

I am not a big fan of Hillary; she has too much "baggage" to overcome. Joe Biden is a nice guy, but.....well???? I wasn't all the impressed with Bernie Sanders until I got tired of watching the others on YouTube and just for the hell of it, look at a Sanders video.

The American people want change. Trump can't and / or won't give it to them. He is nothing but an egotistical bag of hot air pandering to the same Republican rabid, minority base.. Bernie Sanders could and WOULD with a Congress to back him up.

In 2014, the US Defense budget was 3 time more than the NEXT 5 nations COMBINED!!!!!!!. $570 BILLION !!!!!!! Let's take 10% of that and use it on infrastructure maintenance / improvement, creating jobs for the middle class that would return more in tax $ than the military / industrial complex corporations EVER would!!!

Imagine the possibilities: Bernie Sanders and a Democrat controlled Congress.
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9/26/2015 4:17:19 AM
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At 9/26/2015 4:11:30 AM, wsmunit7 wrote:
Even if the Republican party represents 50% of ALL voters, less the independants (which is now questionable), their pandering to their supposed (rabid) base has them divided. According to a Sept. 15, 2015 ABC/Washington Post poll (google it), 74% of the people support issuing same sex marriage license versus 19% against.

Being against gay marriage is something a moderate republican is more likely to be than an extreme republican. I'm an extremely right wing republican and am for gay marriage.

Throw in their stance on immigration and other social issues that they pander to their "supposed" base, and they are doomed as far as the presidential election is concerned.

What the Democratic Party REALLY needs to do is work hard on turning out the vote to win in the House and Senate; and regain control of congress.

I am not a big fan of Hillary; she has too much "baggage" to overcome. Joe Biden is a nice guy, but.....well???? I wasn't all the impressed with Bernie Sanders until I got tired of watching the others on YouTube and just for the hell of it, look at a Sanders video.

The American people want change. Trump can't and / or won't give it to them. He is nothing but an egotistical bag of hot air pandering to the same Republican rabid, minority base.. Bernie Sanders could and WOULD with a Congress to back him up.

In 2014, the US Defense budget was 3 time more than the NEXT 5 nations COMBINED!!!!!!!. $570 BILLION !!!!!!! Let's take 10% of that and use it on infrastructure maintenance / improvement, creating jobs for the middle class that would return more in tax $ than the military / industrial complex corporations EVER would!!!

Imagine the possibilities: Bernie Sanders and a Democrat controlled Congress.
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9/26/2015 4:26:07 AM
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Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney are moderates. Great strategy! Even Bush ran a far right campaign in 2000 but then governed like a moderate in office.

Ronald Reagan was right wing anti-establishment. Just like Ted Cruz, who in 2012 got 40% Hispanics and many working class Democrats while Romney only got 27% of Hispanics.

Do the Democrats realize they have to appeal to more people than their rabid socialist base!? Bernie Sanders is pulling leftist Hillary even further to the left!

The only good Democrats are Jim Webb and Joe Biden!
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9/26/2015 4:34:37 AM
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At 9/26/2015 4:26:07 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney are moderates. Great strategy! Even Bush ran a far right campaign in 2000 but then governed like a moderate in office.

Ronald Reagan was right wing anti-establishment. Just like Ted Cruz, who in 2012 got 40% Hispanics and many working class Democrats while Romney only got 27% of Hispanics.

Do the Democrats realize they have to appeal to more people than their rabid socialist base!? Bernie Sanders is pulling leftist Hillary even further to the left!

The only good Democrats are Jim Webb and Joe Biden!

That's your opinion, and you are welcome to it.
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9/26/2015 8:31:25 AM
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At 9/26/2015 4:34:37 AM, wsmunit7 wrote:
At 9/26/2015 4:26:07 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney are moderates. Great strategy! Even Bush ran a far right campaign in 2000 but then governed like a moderate in office.

Ronald Reagan was right wing anti-establishment. Just like Ted Cruz, who in 2012 got 40% Hispanics and many working class Democrats while Romney only got 27% of Hispanics.

Do the Democrats realize they have to appeal to more people than their rabid socialist base!? Bernie Sanders is pulling leftist Hillary even further to the left!

The only good Democrats are Jim Webb and Joe Biden!

That's your opinion, and you are welcome to it.

No, that is not my opinion. Moderates McCain, Dole, and Romney LOST. Is Romney in the White House right now? NO.

Right wing Reagan got elected, the moderates didn't. And when moderate Bush got elected, he used a right wing campaign that even Ron Paul praised.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
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"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
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9/26/2015 8:37:49 AM
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At 9/26/2015 2:43:26 AM, Wylted wrote:
I think when people say moderate Republican they mean a Republican that is actually a democrat. Look at Trump, people are calling him a radical conservative, but his only conservative position is immigration. He's pro socialized medicine, pro increasing taxes on the rich and pro a whole bunch of other liberal positions.

False. Donald Trump is one of the most conservative candidates. 15 years ago he once supported single payer. Now he wants to repeal Obamacare and implement a private healthcare system with a competitive market across state lines.

On taxes, he is going to lower taxes for the rich and even more for the middle class. He will eliminate corporate taxes entirely.

The reason people think he's going to raise taxes on the rich is because he wants to eliminate the carried interest loophole for hedge fund managers so the result will be them paying more taxes. But only because they dodge taxes. He's lower taxes on the rich down to a historic low of 15%.

Please, name me a liberal position Trump has that he holds today? I'd love to see this. (I could actually name one or two, but I doubt anyone else can.)
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9/26/2015 2:49:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/26/2015 8:31:25 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/26/2015 4:34:37 AM, wsmunit7 wrote:
At 9/26/2015 4:26:07 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney are moderates. Great strategy! Even Bush ran a far right campaign in 2000 but then governed like a moderate in office.

Ronald Reagan was right wing anti-establishment. Just like Ted Cruz, who in 2012 got 40% Hispanics and many working class Democrats while Romney only got 27% of Hispanics.

Do the Democrats realize they have to appeal to more people than their rabid socialist base!? Bernie Sanders is pulling leftist Hillary even further to the left!

The only good Democrats are Jim Webb and Joe Biden!

That's your opinion, and you are welcome to it.

No, that is not my opinion. Moderates McCain, Dole, and Romney LOST. Is Romney in the White House right now? NO.

Right wing Reagan got elected, the moderates didn't. And when moderate Bush got elected, he used a right wing campaign that even Ron Paul praised.

Your moderate lost because the Republican message is not acceptable to the majority of Americans. Going further right is not the fix.
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9/26/2015 3:46:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/26/2015 2:49:52 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/26/2015 8:31:25 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/26/2015 4:34:37 AM, wsmunit7 wrote:
At 9/26/2015 4:26:07 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney are moderates. Great strategy! Even Bush ran a far right campaign in 2000 but then governed like a moderate in office.

Ronald Reagan was right wing anti-establishment. Just like Ted Cruz, who in 2012 got 40% Hispanics and many working class Democrats while Romney only got 27% of Hispanics.

Do the Democrats realize they have to appeal to more people than their rabid socialist base!? Bernie Sanders is pulling leftist Hillary even further to the left!

The only good Democrats are Jim Webb and Joe Biden!

That's your opinion, and you are welcome to it.

No, that is not my opinion. Moderates McCain, Dole, and Romney LOST. Is Romney in the White House right now? NO.

Right wing Reagan got elected, the moderates didn't. And when moderate Bush got elected, he used a right wing campaign that even Ron Paul praised.

Your moderate lost because the Republican message is not acceptable to the majority of Americans. Going further right is not the fix.

Maybe we should not disillusion them. Let them think that by being more radically anti-social, anti-working class, pro 1%-ers they can win. The further to the right they go, the more they alienate the general public. Give them the rope to hang themselves with.
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9/26/2015 4:11:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/26/2015 3:46:21 PM, wsmunit7 wrote:
At 9/26/2015 2:49:52 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/26/2015 8:31:25 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/26/2015 4:34:37 AM, wsmunit7 wrote:
At 9/26/2015 4:26:07 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney are moderates. Great strategy! Even Bush ran a far right campaign in 2000 but then governed like a moderate in office.

Ronald Reagan was right wing anti-establishment. Just like Ted Cruz, who in 2012 got 40% Hispanics and many working class Democrats while Romney only got 27% of Hispanics.

Do the Democrats realize they have to appeal to more people than their rabid socialist base!? Bernie Sanders is pulling leftist Hillary even further to the left!

The only good Democrats are Jim Webb and Joe Biden!

That's your opinion, and you are welcome to it.

No, that is not my opinion. Moderates McCain, Dole, and Romney LOST. Is Romney in the White House right now? NO.

Right wing Reagan got elected, the moderates didn't. And when moderate Bush got elected, he used a right wing campaign that even Ron Paul praised.

Your moderate lost because the Republican message is not acceptable to the majority of Americans. Going further right is not the fix.

Maybe we should not disillusion them. Let them think that by being more radically anti-social, anti-working class, pro 1%-ers they can win. The further to the right they go, the more they alienate the general public. Give them the rope to hang themselves with.

The thing is, they have not carried a majority or plurality of votes in a very long time. There are MORE people who vote for democrats in Senate and Congressional elections, and the only real election they "won" was Bush Jr. second. There are good reasons why he won that one, but the first, he didn't win a popular vote.

My point being. Looking at McCain and saying, ~"the solution is to NOT run a moderate" is lunacy. The majority of Americans dislike the conservative platform, its that simple. The echo-chamber the right lives in make them think everyone is just like them, and if they aren't - they aren't real Americans. They SAY that outloud.
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9/26/2015 4:42:30 PM
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At 9/26/2015 4:11:36 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/26/2015 3:46:21 PM, wsmunit7 wrote:
At 9/26/2015 2:49:52 PM, TBR wrote:
At 9/26/2015 8:31:25 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/26/2015 4:34:37 AM, wsmunit7 wrote:
At 9/26/2015 4:26:07 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney are moderates. Great strategy! Even Bush ran a far right campaign in 2000 but then governed like a moderate in office.

Ronald Reagan was right wing anti-establishment. Just like Ted Cruz, who in 2012 got 40% Hispanics and many working class Democrats while Romney only got 27% of Hispanics.

Do the Democrats realize they have to appeal to more people than their rabid socialist base!? Bernie Sanders is pulling leftist Hillary even further to the left!

The only good Democrats are Jim Webb and Joe Biden!

That's your opinion, and you are welcome to it.

No, that is not my opinion. Moderates McCain, Dole, and Romney LOST. Is Romney in the White House right now? NO.

Right wing Reagan got elected, the moderates didn't. And when moderate Bush got elected, he used a right wing campaign that even Ron Paul praised.

Your moderate lost because the Republican message is not acceptable to the majority of Americans. Going further right is not the fix.

Maybe we should not disillusion them. Let them think that by being more radically anti-social, anti-working class, pro 1%-ers they can win. The further to the right they go, the more they alienate the general public. Give them the rope to hang themselves with.

The thing is, they have not carried a majority or plurality of votes in a very long time. There are MORE people who vote for democrats in Senate and Congressional elections, and the only real election they "won" was Bush Jr. second. There are good reasons why he won that one, but the first, he didn't win a popular vote.

My point being. Looking at McCain and saying, ~"the solution is to NOT run a moderate" is lunacy. The majority of Americans dislike the conservative platform, its that simple. The echo-chamber the right lives in make them think everyone is just like them, and if they aren't - they aren't real Americans. They SAY that outloud.

I agree. But let them live their delusion. It only helps drive people away from them even further. The Republican Party is basically in self-destruct mode. Why should we try to stop them from doing so?

Seriously, several posters here rant and rave with absolutely no evidence to support their fantasies. When presented with evidence to the contrary, they either claim a conspiracy (the refuge of those with no evidence) or declare the evidence outright lies. They live in denial. Why should we even try to disillusion them any longer? Their willful ignorant bliss will face the hammer blow of reality on the first Tuesday of November, 2016.
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9/26/2015 8:42:56 PM
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At 9/26/2015 2:49:52 PM, TBR wrote:
Your moderate lost because the Republican message is not acceptable to the majority of Americans. Going further right is not the fix.

Romney lost because millions of Republicans stayed home because they weren't energized by moderate Romney. I am a registered Republican but I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012.
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9/26/2015 8:45:32 PM
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If you got 100% of reGustered Republicans, you still can't win. Where is the strategy to get moderates?
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9/26/2015 8:49:25 PM
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At 9/26/2015 3:46:21 PM, wsmunit7 wrote:
Let them think that by being more radically anti-social, anti-working class, pro 1%-ers they can win. The further to the right they go, the more they alienate the general public. Give them the rope to hang themselves with.

Ted Cruz' platform is the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, individual liberty, free markets, limited government, states rights, decentralization, low taxes, pro-U.S. sovereignty, have a strong but restrained military, and secure our borders.

What part of that do voters not understand? That is a rock solid platform that absolutely no one should have objections to unless they hate liberty and love socialist big government control over the lives of every individual & business!
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9/26/2015 9:08:50 PM
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At 9/26/2015 8:49:25 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/26/2015 3:46:21 PM, wsmunit7 wrote:
Let them think that by being more radically anti-social, anti-working class, pro 1%-ers they can win. The further to the right they go, the more they alienate the general public. Give them the rope to hang themselves with.

Ted Cruz' platform is the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, individual liberty, free markets, limited government, states rights, decentralization, low taxes, pro-U.S. sovereignty, have a strong but restrained military, and secure our borders.

What part of that do voters not understand? That is a rock solid platform that absolutely no one should have objections to unless they hate liberty and love socialist big government control over the lives of every individual & business!

Theocracy is not freedom.
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9/26/2015 9:17:46 PM
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At 9/26/2015 9:08:50 PM, wsmunit7 wrote:
Theocracy is not freedom.

Ted Cruz is against theocracy. You can't name one single government policy that Ted Cruz has proposed that establishes a religion through government force. That's a fact
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9/26/2015 9:29:16 PM
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At 9/26/2015 9:17:46 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/26/2015 9:08:50 PM, wsmunit7 wrote:
Theocracy is not freedom.

Ted Cruz is against theocracy. You can't name one single government policy that Ted Cruz has proposed that establishes a religion through government force. That's a fact

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9/26/2015 9:45:14 PM
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At 9/26/2015 4:17:19 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/26/2015 4:11:30 AM, wsmunit7 wrote:
Even if the Republican party represents 50% of ALL voters, less the independants (which is now questionable), their pandering to their supposed (rabid) base has them divided. According to a Sept. 15, 2015 ABC/Washington Post poll (google it), 74% of the people support issuing same sex marriage license versus 19% against.

Being against gay marriage is something a moderate republican is more likely to be than an extreme republican. I'm an extremely right wing republican and am for gay marriage.

This is factually untrue. An extreme Republican is someone who is fanatically socially and economically conservative.

Throw in their stance on immigration and other social issues that they pander to their "supposed" base, and they are doomed as far as the presidential election is concerned.

What the Democratic Party REALLY needs to do is work hard on turning out the vote to win in the House and Senate; and regain control of congress.

I am not a big fan of Hillary; she has too much "baggage" to overcome. Joe Biden is a nice guy, but.....well???? I wasn't all the impressed with Bernie Sanders until I got tired of watching the others on YouTube and just for the hell of it, look at a Sanders video.

The American people want change. Trump can't and / or won't give it to them. He is nothing but an egotistical bag of hot air pandering to the same Republican rabid, minority base.. Bernie Sanders could and WOULD with a Congress to back him up.

In 2014, the US Defense budget was 3 time more than the NEXT 5 nations COMBINED!!!!!!!. $570 BILLION !!!!!!! Let's take 10% of that and use it on infrastructure maintenance / improvement, creating jobs for the middle class that would return more in tax $ than the military / industrial complex corporations EVER would!!!

Imagine the possibilities: Bernie Sanders and a Democrat controlled Congress.
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9/26/2015 10:34:13 PM
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At 9/26/2015 2:38:02 AM, TBR wrote:
You think moderates will break for the tea party? Asking kindly - are you insane? I presume it is joke, but the current track of the GOP is a complete mystery to me. Not the policy, the delusion that they can with with it.

Because the party has divided in a non traditional way.

The last 20 years has convinced Republican voters that the current elected Republican party is just another face of the Democrat party with many of the same goals. If something doesn't change, there is no hope. Anything that breaks with that established image is now extreme. So instead of having a socially conservative platform, anything other than that is now considered extreme. The voters don't really care if it's extreme left or extreme right, as long as your platform is extreme, you will get poll results. The 3rd rail for the GOP primary now is having a platform that looks in any way shape or form like the ones from the last 20 years.

Teaparty is going to blow itself up, and take alot of establishment with them, and I suspect it's going to cross over to the Dems too, they just don't know it yet.
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9/27/2015 8:20:09 AM
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At 9/26/2015 9:29:16 PM, wsmunit7 wrote:
At 9/26/2015 9:17:46 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Ted Cruz is against theocracy. You can't name one single government policy that Ted Cruz has proposed that establishes a religion through government force. That's a fact

Kim Davis

Hahaha, wow you are an idiot. I said name a government policy that Cruz proposed. You couldnt name one.

Kim Davis =/= theocracy

Is Kim Davis the Pope of Kentucky? No. There is no theocracy in Kentucky. Kim Davis was elected to uphold the laws of Kentucky and the Kentucky Constitution. That's what she did. The Supreme Court doesn't write law, Kim Davis did not violate any statute, she followed the laws of Kentucky. The 10th Amendment says marriage laws are reserved for the states, any power nor specifically delegated to the Federal government is reserved for the states.

Opposing gay marriage has nothing to do with religion. There are atheists, secularists, and gays who oppose gay marriage, I'm fact there are secular gays against gay marriage. As a non-Christian myself, I oppose gay marriage (as the liberals have framed it) yet I don't adhere to or believe in a religion.

The four dissenting judges in the gay marriage case didn't base their judicial conclusion based on the Bible, they objected because of their advanced understanding of natural rights theory and the Constitution.

The Oxford Dictionary has for years defined marriage as between a man and a woman and it has nothing to do with religion.

Nice try, but no. You have utterly failed to tear down Ted Cruz.
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9/27/2015 11:47:12 AM
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At 9/27/2015 8:20:09 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/26/2015 9:29:16 PM, wsmunit7 wrote:
At 9/26/2015 9:17:46 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Ted Cruz is against theocracy. You can't name one single government policy that Ted Cruz has proposed that establishes a religion through government force. That's a fact

Kim Davis

Hahaha, wow you are an idiot. I said name a government policy that Cruz proposed. You couldnt name one.

Kim Davis =/= theocracy

Is Kim Davis the Pope of Kentucky? No. There is no theocracy in Kentucky. Kim Davis was elected to uphold the laws of Kentucky and the Kentucky Constitution. That's what she did. The Supreme Court doesn't write law, Kim Davis did not violate any statute, she followed the laws of Kentucky. The 10th Amendment says marriage laws are reserved for the states, any power nor specifically delegated to the Federal government is reserved for the states.

Opposing gay marriage has nothing to do with religion. There are atheists, secularists, and gays who oppose gay marriage, I'm fact there are secular gays against gay marriage. As a non-Christian myself, I oppose gay marriage (as the liberals have framed it) yet I don't adhere to or believe in a religion.

The four dissenting judges in the gay marriage case didn't base their judicial conclusion based on the Bible, they objected because of their advanced understanding of natural rights theory and the Constitution.

The Oxford Dictionary has for years defined marriage as between a man and a woman and it has nothing to do with religion.

Nice try, but no. You have utterly failed to tear down Ted Cruz.

The Supreme Court has ruled. You lost. Get over yourself. The Supreme Court will also end up ruling on this issue of what religious freedom is or is not. All indications are that you will lose again. (She has already take one appeal for a stay on Judge Bunning's ruling to the Supreme Court and was turned down.) The USA is not a theocracy, much to some people's chagrin.