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10/12/2015 8:20:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I just read an article [http://www.msnbc.com...] which notes that Trump and Hillary are both roughly where they were back in September. While they've certainly declined since their campaigns began, their numbers are starting to plateau rather than fall. Huff Post's polling average seems to confirm this in both cases [http://elections.huffingtonpost.com... and http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...].

Many in the media have been foretelling the collpase of these campaigns, but are they really going to collapse? Have they managed to halt their downward trends? At the very least, will they be in it for the long-haul?
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10/12/2015 8:26:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/12/2015 8:20:00 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I just read an article [http://www.msnbc.com...] which notes that Trump and Hillary are both roughly where they were back in September. While they've certainly declined since their campaigns began, their numbers are starting to plateau rather than fall. Huff Post's polling average seems to confirm this in both cases [http://elections.huffingtonpost.com... and http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...].

Many in the media have been foretelling the collpase of these campaigns, but are they really going to collapse? Have they managed to halt their downward trends? At the very least, will they be in it for the long-haul?

Trump has reached as high as it will ever. He has nowhere to go but down.

Clinton will most likely be my party's choice. She has some real issues to deal with. I think, and hope, that Sanders can make a serious challenge, but it is an outside chance.
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10/12/2015 8:27:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/12/2015 8:20:00 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I just read an article [http://www.msnbc.com...] which notes that Trump and Hillary are both roughly where they were back in September. While they've certainly declined since their campaigns began, their numbers are starting to plateau rather than fall. Huff Post's polling average seems to confirm this in both cases [http://elections.huffingtonpost.com... and http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...].

Many in the media have been foretelling the collpase of these campaigns, but are they really going to collapse? Have they managed to halt their downward trends? At the very least, will they be in it for the long-haul?

It could come out that Hillary spent the weekend at planned Parenthood performing abortions by ripping out fetuses with nothing but her bare hand as a campaign event and it still wouldn't hurt her in the eyes of her supporters. That rich old white lady could get away with murder...
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10/12/2015 8:29:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/12/2015 8:27:28 PM, BrittanyR1911.45 wrote:
At 10/12/2015 8:20:00 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I just read an article [http://www.msnbc.com...] which notes that Trump and Hillary are both roughly where they were back in September. While they've certainly declined since their campaigns began, their numbers are starting to plateau rather than fall. Huff Post's polling average seems to confirm this in both cases [http://elections.huffingtonpost.com... and http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...].

Many in the media have been foretelling the collpase of these campaigns, but are they really going to collapse? Have they managed to halt their downward trends? At the very least, will they be in it for the long-haul?

It could come out that Hillary spent the weekend at planned Parenthood performing abortions by ripping out fetuses with nothing but her bare hand as a campaign event and it still wouldn't hurt her in the eyes of her supporters. That rich old white lady could get away with murder...

I think that's just a bit biased and incorrect on your part.
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10/12/2015 8:29:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/12/2015 8:26:02 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/12/2015 8:20:00 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I just read an article [http://www.msnbc.com...] which notes that Trump and Hillary are both roughly where they were back in September. While they've certainly declined since their campaigns began, their numbers are starting to plateau rather than fall. Huff Post's polling average seems to confirm this in both cases [http://elections.huffingtonpost.com... and http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...].

Many in the media have been foretelling the collpase of these campaigns, but are they really going to collapse? Have they managed to halt their downward trends? At the very least, will they be in it for the long-haul?

Trump has reached as high as it will ever. He has nowhere to go but down.

Eh, IDK. I think he could get back up to his peak. But really, if he just stays roughly where he is, he'll probably win Iowa.
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10/12/2015 8:30:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago

Many in the media have been foretelling the collpase of these campaigns, but are they really going to collapse? Have they managed to halt their downward trends? At the very least, will they be in it for the long-haul?

It could come out that Hillary spent the weekend at planned Parenthood performing abortions by ripping out fetuses with nothing but her bare hand as a campaign event and it still wouldn't hurt her in the eyes of her supporters. That rich old white lady could get away with murder...

As snide as this response is, having everyone spend some time at a planed parenthood is a great idea. If every pro-lifer spent any amount of time at a clinic it would change the minds of all but the crazy.
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10/12/2015 8:32:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/12/2015 8:26:02 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/12/2015 8:20:00 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I just read an article [http://www.msnbc.com...] which notes that Trump and Hillary are both roughly where they were back in September. While they've certainly declined since their campaigns began, their numbers are starting to plateau rather than fall. Huff Post's polling average seems to confirm this in both cases [http://elections.huffingtonpost.com... and http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...].

Many in the media have been foretelling the collpase of these campaigns, but are they really going to collapse? Have they managed to halt their downward trends? At the very least, will they be in it for the long-haul?

Trump has reached as high as it will ever. He has nowhere to go but down.

Clinton will most likely be my party's choice. She has some real issues to deal with. I think, and hope, that Sanders can make a serious challenge, but it is an outside chance.

Agree on Trump. Hope this hype settles quickly. He's good at telling people what they want to hear but he's not a leader that can be trusted.
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10/12/2015 8:45:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/12/2015 8:30:40 PM, TBR wrote:

Many in the media have been foretelling the collpase of these campaigns, but are they really going to collapse? Have they managed to halt their downward trends? At the very least, will they be in it for the long-haul?

It could come out that Hillary spent the weekend at planned Parenthood performing abortions by ripping out fetuses with nothing but her bare hand as a campaign event and it still wouldn't hurt her in the eyes of her supporters. That rich old white lady could get away with murder...

As snide as this response is, having everyone spend some time at a planed parenthood is a great idea. If every pro-lifer spent any amount of time at a clinic it would change the minds of all but the crazy.

It was a joke...

Oh and I have been to Planned Parenthood. I think it's an unethical organization, yes but while personally I think it's a horrible decision, I don't really care if someone I don't know decides to murder their unborn child--as long as it's not on my dime. I don't believe that a non profit who spends millions a year in lobbying deserves any federal funding.
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10/12/2015 8:49:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/12/2015 8:45:55 PM, BrittanyR1911.45 wrote:
At 10/12/2015 8:30:40 PM, TBR wrote:

Many in the media have been foretelling the collpase of these campaigns, but are they really going to collapse? Have they managed to halt their downward trends? At the very least, will they be in it for the long-haul?

It could come out that Hillary spent the weekend at planned Parenthood performing abortions by ripping out fetuses with nothing but her bare hand as a campaign event and it still wouldn't hurt her in the eyes of her supporters. That rich old white lady could get away with murder...

As snide as this response is, having everyone spend some time at a planed parenthood is a great idea. If every pro-lifer spent any amount of time at a clinic it would change the minds of all but the crazy.

It was a joke...

Oh and I have been to Planned Parenthood. I think it's an unethical organization, yes but while personally I think it's a horrible decision, I don't really care if someone I don't know decides to murder their unborn child--as long as it's not on my dime. I don't believe that a non profit who spends millions a year in lobbying deserves any federal funding.

None of your tax dollars go to abortion. Regardless, my point is, if you went to one you might be convinced that you are wrong in your impression.
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10/12/2015 8:58:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/12/2015 8:49:24 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/12/2015 8:45:55 PM, BrittanyR1911.45 wrote:
At 10/12/2015 8:30:40 PM, TBR wrote:

Many in the media have been foretelling the collpase of these campaigns, but are they really going to collapse? Have they managed to halt their downward trends? At the very least, will they be in it for the long-haul?

It could come out that Hillary spent the weekend at planned Parenthood performing abortions by ripping out fetuses with nothing but her bare hand as a campaign event and it still wouldn't hurt her in the eyes of her supporters. That rich old white lady could get away with murder...

As snide as this response is, having everyone spend some time at a planed parenthood is a great idea. If every pro-lifer spent any amount of time at a clinic it would change the minds of all but the crazy.

It was a joke...

Oh and I have been to Planned Parenthood. I think it's an unethical organization, yes but while personally I think it's a horrible decision, I don't really care if someone I don't know decides to murder their unborn child--as long as it's not on my dime. I don't believe that a non profit who spends millions a year in lobbying deserves any federal funding.

None of your tax dollars go to abortion. Regardless, my point is, if you went to one you might be convinced that you are wrong in your impression.

I guess that you missed where I said that I had been to Planned Parenthood so I have seen firsthand. I also implyed that the abortions weren't my beef with the organization, rather their ethics overall.
They make better money launderers than quality women's care providers.
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10/12/2015 10:19:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/12/2015 9:52:15 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Feel the Bern.

It would be amazing if Sanders trumped Hillary and then won the general.

Aren't you a libertarian?
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10/12/2015 10:24:53 PM
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Trump is in trouble, in the sense that he will not win the Republican nomination (and he was never going to).

Hillary is not in as much trouble, in that she still has a good chance to win the Democratic nomination. That being said, her chances have dropped and may continue to drop (I certainly hope they do, Sanders would be much better than her)
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10/12/2015 10:26:03 PM
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At 10/12/2015 8:49:24 PM, TBR wrote:
None of your tax dollars go to abortion. Regardless, my point is, if you went to one you might be convinced that you are wrong in your impression.

1. It's amazing to me that the left has no problem with this format of corporate welfare for a private company that was founded by a racist, eugenicist ethnic cleanser.

2. How can you say our tax dollars don't go to abortion? Planned Parenthood gets $500 million dollars & none of it goes to abortion doctors or cost of the operation? Even if the funds didn't go directly to abortion operations, that $500 million dollars frees up other funds to go towards abortions. It's all a game of trickery to say that the money doesn't go towards abortion and people like you actually believe it not realizing that money is transferable and can be shifted in whatever ways they want through accounting.
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10/12/2015 10:26:23 PM
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At 10/12/2015 10:19:39 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/12/2015 9:52:15 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Feel the Bern.

It would be amazing if Sanders trumped Hillary and then won the general.

Aren't you a libertarian?

I don't identify with any of the major parties in the U.S, due to the large variance in my views and beliefs. I have approximately a 75% agreement with Sanders on issues according to most political quizzes. More than that, I like his youth appeal (in that he appeals to the young). I'd love to see him spark a realignment in American voting demographics. The young are the only group capable of rivaling the old right now. Plus I like that he's more "outside" the system, a bit like Trump.

My top two nominees are Sanders and Kasich.
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10/12/2015 10:36:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/12/2015 10:26:23 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/12/2015 10:19:39 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/12/2015 9:52:15 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Feel the Bern.

It would be amazing if Sanders trumped Hillary and then won the general.

Aren't you a libertarian?

I don't identify with any of the major parties in the U.S, due to the large variance in my views and beliefs. I have approximately a 75% agreement with Sanders on issues according to most political quizzes. More than that, I like his youth appeal (in that he appeals to the young). I'd love to see him spark a realignment in American voting demographics. The young are the only group capable of rivaling the old right now. Plus I like that he's more "outside" the system, a bit like Trump.

My top two nominees are Sanders and Kasich.

Interesting. Given comments you made in the past, I wouldn't have pictured you as a Sander's supporter.
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10/12/2015 10:45:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/12/2015 10:36:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/12/2015 10:26:23 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/12/2015 10:19:39 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/12/2015 9:52:15 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Feel the Bern.

It would be amazing if Sanders trumped Hillary and then won the general.

Aren't you a libertarian?

I don't identify with any of the major parties in the U.S, due to the large variance in my views and beliefs. I have approximately a 75% agreement with Sanders on issues according to most political quizzes. More than that, I like his youth appeal (in that he appeals to the young). I'd love to see him spark a realignment in American voting demographics. The young are the only group capable of rivaling the old right now. Plus I like that he's more "outside" the system, a bit like Trump.

My top two nominees are Sanders and Kasich.

Interesting. Given comments you made in the past, I wouldn't have pictured you as a Sander's supporter.

Really? Are you referring to the airplane regulation thing?

I like his education plan. I LOVE his campaign finance reform (screw Citizens United to hell). I like the theory behind his energy policy, though I dislike his opposition to Keystone. I'd prefer the government incentivize alternative sources of energy and let the market work rather than iron-hammer regulate everything. I'm sure I don't even need to mention LGBT+ equality. I like that he supports the Iran Deal. I wish he was a bit more supportive of Israel (believe it or not, these two things are not necessarily contradictory). I disagree with him on guns and presumably immigration.

So all in all, it's a mixed bag, but he's better than almost every Republican candidate, and Hillary has too many problems of her own.
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10/12/2015 10:47:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/12/2015 10:45:56 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/12/2015 10:36:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/12/2015 10:26:23 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/12/2015 10:19:39 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/12/2015 9:52:15 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Feel the Bern.

It would be amazing if Sanders trumped Hillary and then won the general.

Aren't you a libertarian?

I don't identify with any of the major parties in the U.S, due to the large variance in my views and beliefs. I have approximately a 75% agreement with Sanders on issues according to most political quizzes. More than that, I like his youth appeal (in that he appeals to the young). I'd love to see him spark a realignment in American voting demographics. The young are the only group capable of rivaling the old right now. Plus I like that he's more "outside" the system, a bit like Trump.

My top two nominees are Sanders and Kasich.

Interesting. Given comments you made in the past, I wouldn't have pictured you as a Sander's supporter.

Really? Are you referring to the airplane regulation thing?

Partially.

So all in all, it's a mixed bag, but he's better than almost every Republican candidate

Agreed.
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10/12/2015 10:48:11 PM
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At 10/12/2015 10:26:03 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/12/2015 8:49:24 PM, TBR wrote:
None of your tax dollars go to abortion. Regardless, my point is, if you went to one you might be convinced that you are wrong in your impression.

1. It's amazing to me that the left has no problem with this format of corporate welfare for a private company that was founded by a racist, eugenicist ethnic cleanser.

2. How can you say our tax dollars don't go to abortion? Planned Parenthood gets $500 million dollars & none of it goes to abortion doctors or cost of the operation? Even if the funds didn't go directly to abortion operations, that $500 million dollars frees up other funds to go towards abortions. It's all a game of trickery to say that the money doesn't go towards abortion and people like you actually believe it not realizing that money is transferable and can be shifted in whatever ways they want through accounting.

I'm not concerned if money DID go to pay for abortions. As it sits now, abortion services at pp help fund the operation reducing the money they need from tax money.
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10/12/2015 10:48:37 PM
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They're always in trouble. That's the nature of these candidacies, by now.
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10/12/2015 10:50:35 PM
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The possibility of a Democratic upset will be decided tomorrow night.
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10/12/2015 10:58:47 PM
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At 10/12/2015 10:50:35 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The possibility of a Democratic upset will be decided tomorrow night.

Unlike the GOP debates, this one could make a huge difference. Sanders is still largly unknown. This is a chance for people to get their first real glimpse.
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10/12/2015 11:05:32 PM
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At 10/12/2015 10:58:47 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/12/2015 10:50:35 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The possibility of a Democratic upset will be decided tomorrow night.

Unlike the GOP debates, this one could make a huge difference. Sanders is still largly unknown. This is a chance for people to get their first real glimpse.

Quite.
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10/12/2015 11:07:19 PM
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I have 2 main problems with Trump.

1) He uses "I can fix that" "I will fix that" but he never addresses how he will fix the issue.

2) In the GOP republican debate, he had admitted he doesn't know much about anything that's going on with ISIS or other enemies America has. But clams when he takes office, he will know allot more about these issues...like seriously?

I believe Marco Rubio is the one who can fix this mess..
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10/12/2015 11:14:29 PM
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No, No trump can't fix anything with empty rhetoric.

As to "mess" the Republican left the last guy with a economic collapse, failed war, terrible world reputation and virtually no social progress. Think our side has done just fine.
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10/12/2015 11:50:12 PM
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At 10/12/2015 11:07:19 PM, Lee001 wrote:
I have 2 main problems with Trump.

1) He uses "I can fix that" "I will fix that" but he never addresses how he will fix the issue.

Yes he does. He has given more detail and specifics than anyone else and then he publishes his policy papers on his website. Not to mention, he laid out his entire platform in his 2011 book.

He has released a very detailed plan for immigration policy, gun policy, and tax policy and it's on his website. He elaborates on all the issues in the interviews as well.

2) In the GOP republican debate, he had admitted he doesn't know much about anything that's going on with ISIS or other enemies America has. But clams when he takes office, he will know allot more about these issues...like seriously?

He was saying that he doesn't have complete knowledge because he doesn't sit on the intelligence committees in the Senate. Once he is elected he will hire the best experts to brief him on the details.

His overall foreign policy is very enlightened. He supports diplomacy, but is against foreign entanglements. Everything that has unfolded in the Middle East, he predicted in 2004.

His knowledge of history is why he rightly identified the fact that Russias intervention in Syria might end up the same way Russias invasion of Afghanistan unfolded.

I believe Marco Rubio is the one who can fix this mess..

People keep saying Trump doesn't have the temperament to be trusted with the nuke button, but I think it's the Rubio & Fiorina psychopaths who can't be trusted with the nuke button. Trump says he will get along with Putin, Rubio says he will blow up Russian planes in Syria, Fiorina says she will give Putin the silent treatment.

It wasn't long ago that Marco Rubio told the Council on Foreign Relations that he wants to blow up every country, the oceans, and outerspace space.

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10/13/2015 12:14:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/12/2015 8:20:00 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I just read an article [http://www.msnbc.com...] which notes that Trump and Hillary are both roughly where they were back in September. While they've certainly declined since their campaigns began, their numbers are starting to plateau rather than fall. Huff Post's polling average seems to confirm this in both cases [http://elections.huffingtonpost.com... and http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...].

Many in the media have been foretelling the collpase of these campaigns, but are they really going to collapse? Have they managed to halt their downward trends? At the very least, will they be in it for the long-haul?

The media make careers in being nay-sayers; and they have been nay-sayers in every election with every front runner since cable TV has been around, because that is how they boost their ratings.

Trump is not in trouble. Neither is Hillary. The "commentary" is little more than specious banter.

Here's the thing about favorability v. un-favorability ratings, too: they are utterly useless.

The fact that someone says at one point in time that they don't like a person does not mean that the public will not vote for that person, or even the individual making that declaration won't vote for that person, because there is so much more than "favorability" that plays into whether a person votes for a candidate or not.

Also, people vote for candidates that they have unfavorable views of all the time. So, the rating is nothing more than a rating; it has no significance beyond the rating, meaning, again, that favorability numbers are useless.

A lot of polling data is shitty anyway, in that it is wildly inaccurate, and it is conducted by the media to serve their own purposes (which generally is why HuffPost and Fox News polling is similarly useless). The only real polling out there is the kind that candidates have done themselves, by people who really want to see what people think and where the country is on a particular issue. This is much more rigorous, and much more accurate than the garbage produced for public consumption (with few exceptions).

So, when I hear any person --especially someone from a media outlet like HuffPost, or Fox, or even the Wall Street Journal-- talking about "the end" being "near" for any candidate, I LOL, because it's complete bullsh!t. They have no idea.
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10/13/2015 6:29:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/13/2015 12:14:25 AM, YYW wrote:
Trump is not in trouble. Neither is Hillary. The "commentary" is little more than specious banter.

I tend to agree with this, though I was citing Huff Post in SUPPORT of this conclusion. They do have a really accurate polling averager, though there individual polls I am not really a fan of.
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10/13/2015 6:37:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/13/2015 12:14:25 AM, YYW wrote:
At 10/12/2015 8:20:00 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I just read an article [http://www.msnbc.com...] which notes that Trump and Hillary are both roughly where they were back in September. While they've certainly declined since their campaigns began, their numbers are starting to plateau rather than fall. Huff Post's polling average seems to confirm this in both cases [http://elections.huffingtonpost.com... and http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...].

Many in the media have been foretelling the collpase of these campaigns, but are they really going to collapse? Have they managed to halt their downward trends? At the very least, will they be in it for the long-haul?

The media make careers in being nay-sayers; and they have been nay-sayers in every election with every front runner since cable TV has been around, because that is how they boost their ratings.

Trump is not in trouble. Neither is Hillary. The "commentary" is little more than specious banter.

Here's the thing about favorability v. un-favorability ratings, too: they are utterly useless.

The fact that someone says at one point in time that they don't like a person does not mean that the public will not vote for that person, or even the individual making that declaration won't vote for that person, because there is so much more than "favorability" that plays into whether a person votes for a candidate or not.

Also, people vote for candidates that they have unfavorable views of all the time. So, the rating is nothing more than a rating; it has no significance beyond the rating, meaning, again, that favorability numbers are useless.

A lot of polling data is shitty anyway, in that it is wildly inaccurate, and it is conducted by the media to serve their own purposes (which generally is why HuffPost and Fox News polling is similarly useless). The only real polling out there is the kind that candidates have done themselves, by people who really want to see what people think and where the country is on a particular issue. This is much more rigorous, and much more accurate than the garbage produced for public consumption (with few exceptions).

So, when I hear any person --especially someone from a media outlet like HuffPost, or Fox, or even the Wall Street Journal-- talking about "the end" being "near" for any candidate, I LOL, because it's complete bullsh!t. They have no idea.

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10/13/2015 7:50:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/12/2015 10:24:53 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
Trump is in trouble, in the sense that he will not win the Republican nomination (and he was never going to).

I don't think you can say that with any certainty...He's back polling at 30.
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