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10/20/2015 7:01:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
He's missed the first debate, new poll data suggests fewer people think he should run than they did just a few weeks ago, and Huff Posts average of polling data shows Hillary above 50% for the first time since August 16th [http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...].

Should Biden throw his name in? If so, why? If not, why? What impact will his running or not running have on the race?
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10/20/2015 7:09:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/20/2015 7:01:44 PM, bsh1 wrote:
He's missed the first debate, new poll data suggests fewer people think he should run than they did just a few weeks ago, and Huff Posts average of polling data shows Hillary above 50% for the first time since August 16th [http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...].

Should Biden throw his name in? If so, why? If not, why? What impact will his running or not running have on the race?

Im all for it. Biden is ranked by voters to be far more trustworthy than Hillary and people think he genuinely cares about the American people more than Hillary does as well. He also is more moderate than Sanders is, which moderate Dems who support Clinton another viable option to get behind. Biden also has a clean record compared to Hillary, is already polling better than Sanders in some states

Biden basically gives Democrats who dont lean as far left as Bernie supporters another candidate to back other than Clinton. If he declares, Ill be the first to jump ship from supporting Hillary to supporting Biden.
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10/20/2015 7:13:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/20/2015 7:09:23 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:01:44 PM, bsh1 wrote:
He's missed the first debate, new poll data suggests fewer people think he should run than they did just a few weeks ago, and Huff Posts average of polling data shows Hillary above 50% for the first time since August 16th [http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...].

Should Biden throw his name in? If so, why? If not, why? What impact will his running or not running have on the race?

Im all for it. Biden is ranked by voters to be far more trustworthy than Hillary and people think he genuinely cares about the American people more than Hillary does as well. He also is more moderate than Sanders is, which *gives* moderate Dems who support Clinton another viable option to get behind. Biden also has a clean record compared to Hillary, *and* is already polling better than Sanders in some states

Biden basically gives Democrats who dont lean as far left as Bernie supporters another candidate to back other than Clinton. If he declares, Ill be the first to jump ship from supporting Hillary to supporting Biden.

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10/20/2015 7:14:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/20/2015 7:09:23 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:01:44 PM, bsh1 wrote:
He's missed the first debate, new poll data suggests fewer people think he should run than they did just a few weeks ago, and Huff Posts average of polling data shows Hillary above 50% for the first time since August 16th [http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...].

Should Biden throw his name in? If so, why? If not, why? What impact will his running or not running have on the race?

Im all for it. Biden is ranked by voters to be far more trustworthy than Hillary and people think he genuinely cares about the American people more than Hillary does as well. He also is more moderate than Sanders is, which moderate Dems who support Clinton another viable option to get behind. Biden also has a clean record compared to Hillary, is already polling better than Sanders in some states

Biden is behind Sanders in every early state. The only states where Biden could be Sanders are Nevada and South Carolina, but then Biden would be fiercely competing with Hillary, since African Americans and Hispanics support Clinton far more than Biden. It would be very hard for Biden to win in any of the first 4 states, which would mean that he'd have to pin his hopes on Florida, which is what Guilliani did, and look where he is...

Moreover, it's getting too late for Biden to close the funding gap and to create the organization that Clinton and Sanders have. Plus, Biden is gaffe-prone on the campaign trail. People like him now, but wait until he actually starts giving tons of unscripted speeches at rallies...
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10/20/2015 7:26:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/20/2015 7:14:04 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:09:23 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:01:44 PM, bsh1 wrote:
He's missed the first debate, new poll data suggests fewer people think he should run than they did just a few weeks ago, and Huff Posts average of polling data shows Hillary above 50% for the first time since August 16th [http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...].

Should Biden throw his name in? If so, why? If not, why? What impact will his running or not running have on the race?

Im all for it. Biden is ranked by voters to be far more trustworthy than Hillary and people think he genuinely cares about the American people more than Hillary does as well. He also is more moderate than Sanders is, which moderate Dems who support Clinton another viable option to get behind. Biden also has a clean record compared to Hillary, is already polling better than Sanders in some states

Biden is behind Sanders in every early state. The only states where Biden could be Sanders are Nevada and South Carolina, but then Biden would be fiercely competing with Hillary, since African Americans and Hispanics support Clinton far more than Biden.

I think an endorsement from a certain sitting african american president could try to fix that problem though.

It would be very hard for Biden to win in any of the first 4 states, which would mean that he'd have to pin his hopes on Florida, which is what Guilliani did, and look where he is...

Moreover, it's getting too late for Biden to close the funding gap and to create the organization that Clinton and Sanders have.

A lot of Clinton's backers could defect to Biden. It likely wont be enough to close the gap, but it will certainly be enough to give Biden the ability to run a lengthy campaign.

Plus, Biden is gaffe-prone on the campaign trail. People like him now, but wait until he actually starts giving tons of unscripted speeches at rallies...

Trump is also pretty gaffe prone yet he's been leading the GOP for weeks. Also if Hillary manages to f*ck up on a grand scale (think of the 47% remark Romney had near the end of 2012) than Biden would be sitting in a prime position to overtake Hillary among more moderate leaning democratic voters
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10/20/2015 7:29:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/20/2015 7:26:02 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:14:04 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:09:23 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:01:44 PM, bsh1 wrote:
He's missed the first debate, new poll data suggests fewer people think he should run than they did just a few weeks ago, and Huff Posts average of polling data shows Hillary above 50% for the first time since August 16th [http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...].

Should Biden throw his name in? If so, why? If not, why? What impact will his running or not running have on the race?

Im all for it. Biden is ranked by voters to be far more trustworthy than Hillary and people think he genuinely cares about the American people more than Hillary does as well. He also is more moderate than Sanders is, which moderate Dems who support Clinton another viable option to get behind. Biden also has a clean record compared to Hillary, is already polling better than Sanders in some states

Biden is behind Sanders in every early state. The only states where Biden could be Sanders are Nevada and South Carolina, but then Biden would be fiercely competing with Hillary, since African Americans and Hispanics support Clinton far more than Biden.

I think an endorsement from a certain sitting african american president could try to fix that problem though.

Obama won't endorse him. Obama will stay neutral until there is a nominee apparent.

It would be very hard for Biden to win in any of the first 4 states, which would mean that he'd have to pin his hopes on Florida, which is what Guilliani did, and look where he is...

Moreover, it's getting too late for Biden to close the funding gap and to create the organization that Clinton and Sanders have.

A lot of Clinton's backers could defect to Biden. It likely wont be enough to close the gap, but it will certainly be enough to give Biden the ability to run a lengthy campaign.

I doubt it. I think that maybe 5-10% of her supporters might, but that would still leave her ahead of Biden, and those defectors won't be in the states Biden needs them to be in.

Plus, Biden is gaffe-prone on the campaign trail. People like him now, but wait until he actually starts giving tons of unscripted speeches at rallies...

Trump is also pretty gaffe prone yet he's been leading the GOP for weeks.

I am proud to say that I have more confidence in the Democratic party to not be idiots than I do in the GOP. Gaffes will hurt Biden among blue voters.

Also if Hillary manages to f*ck up on a grand scale (think of the 47% remark Romney had near the end of 2012) than Biden would be sitting in a prime position to overtake Hillary among more moderate leaning democratic voters

This is so unlikely, it's not even worth considering.
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10/20/2015 7:29:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/20/2015 7:01:44 PM, bsh1 wrote:
He's missed the first debate, new poll data suggests fewer people think he should run than they did just a few weeks ago, and Huff Posts average of polling data shows Hillary above 50% for the first time since August 16th [http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...].

Should Biden throw his name in? If so, why? If not, why? What impact will his running or not running have on the race?

Either he's doing all these things lately (see today's CNN article http://www.cnn.com...), because he's ego driven, and wants the attention (which I doubt), or he is checking all the probable outcomes if he enters (I think if he's advised that he really numbers wise, can't make it, that he'll sit it out). If he does run, and beats Clinton, I'd wager serious dough that Clinton has a major mental breakdown, her ego would be crushed.

My issue is with politicians saying things like Biden did in this article. Are the masses so uneducated, that they can't recognize political expediency when it's so obvious. Don't get me wrong, I think Biden has SO much more character than Hillary, but I'd love to hear what a politician really believes. It's almost like every public answer they give has to be "poll tested" to get the right reaction. That's not leading, that's pandering to get votes. Both sides are guilty of it, but wouldn't YOU as a citizen, making a choice want to know what your candidate truly believes. Politicians nowadays have to poll everything to see if what they say will fly- leadership is character, saying what you think/believe, and sticking by it.

I'm not a fan of some of Bernie Sanders policies, but damn, I respect him for being true to himself. If you look beyond the differences in opinion, you get a man who doesn't back down from what he believes, and doesn't wait for a poll to tell him if he should pee standing up or sitting down (I bet Hillary can do both, lol).
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10/20/2015 7:33:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/20/2015 7:29:19 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:26:02 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:14:04 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:09:23 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:01:44 PM, bsh1 wrote:
He's missed the first debate, new poll data suggests fewer people think he should run than they did just a few weeks ago, and Huff Posts average of polling data shows Hillary above 50% for the first time since August 16th [http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...].

Should Biden throw his name in? If so, why? If not, why? What impact will his running or not running have on the race?

Im all for it. Biden is ranked by voters to be far more trustworthy than Hillary and people think he genuinely cares about the American people more than Hillary does as well. He also is more moderate than Sanders is, which moderate Dems who support Clinton another viable option to get behind. Biden also has a clean record compared to Hillary, is already polling better than Sanders in some states

Biden is behind Sanders in every early state. The only states where Biden could be Sanders are Nevada and South Carolina, but then Biden would be fiercely competing with Hillary, since African Americans and Hispanics support Clinton far more than Biden.

I think an endorsement from a certain sitting african american president could try to fix that problem though.

Obama won't endorse him. Obama will stay neutral until there is a nominee apparent.

He's done in politics he doesnt have to give any more sh*ts :P if he really secretly prefers Biden over Clinton than he'll endorse him.

It would be very hard for Biden to win in any of the first 4 states, which would mean that he'd have to pin his hopes on Florida, which is what Guilliani did, and look where he is...

Moreover, it's getting too late for Biden to close the funding gap and to create the organization that Clinton and Sanders have.

A lot of Clinton's backers could defect to Biden. It likely wont be enough to close the gap, but it will certainly be enough to give Biden the ability to run a lengthy campaign.

I doubt it. I think that maybe 5-10% of her supporters might, but that would still leave her ahead of Biden, and those defectors won't be in the states Biden needs them to be in.

true

Plus, Biden is gaffe-prone on the campaign trail. People like him now, but wait until he actually starts giving tons of unscripted speeches at rallies...

Trump is also pretty gaffe prone yet he's been leading the GOP for weeks.

I am proud to say that I have more confidence in the Democratic party to not be idiots than I do in the GOP. Gaffes will hurt Biden among blue voters.

Also if Hillary manages to f*ck up on a grand scale (think of the 47% remark Romney had near the end of 2012) than Biden would be sitting in a prime position to overtake Hillary among more moderate leaning democratic voters

This is so unlikely, it's not even worth considering.

Last year she did say that 'businesses dont create jobs', so anything is possible

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10/20/2015 7:37:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/20/2015 7:33:21 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:29:19 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:26:02 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:14:04 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Biden is behind Sanders in every early state. The only states where Biden could be Sanders are Nevada and South Carolina, but then Biden would be fiercely competing with Hillary, since African Americans and Hispanics support Clinton far more than Biden.

I think an endorsement from a certain sitting african american president could try to fix that problem though.

Obama won't endorse him. Obama will stay neutral until there is a nominee apparent.

He's done in politics he doesnt have to give any more sh*ts :P if he really secretly prefers Biden over Clinton than he'll endorse him.

Obama does care, though, because entangling himself in a partisan battle isn't going to help him build a legacy for himself. And, really, I am not sure Obama really likes Biden all that much; there was a time when Obama ordered his aids not to communicate with Biden's staff because Biden's office kept leaking things. That doesn't exactly say much about Obama's confidence in Biden.

Also if Hillary manages to f*ck up on a grand scale (think of the 47% remark Romney had near the end of 2012) than Biden would be sitting in a prime position to overtake Hillary among more moderate leaning democratic voters

This is so unlikely, it's not even worth considering.

Last year she did say that 'businesses dont create jobs', so anything is possible

That's hardly as big a deal as what Romney said. And one thing Hillary is, is polished. She may not be seen as genuine, but she rarely makes gaffes. Biden is more likely to say something utterly idiotic than she is.
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10/20/2015 7:40:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/20/2015 7:37:45 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:33:21 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:29:19 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:26:02 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:14:04 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Biden is behind Sanders in every early state. The only states where Biden could be Sanders are Nevada and South Carolina, but then Biden would be fiercely competing with Hillary, since African Americans and Hispanics support Clinton far more than Biden.

I think an endorsement from a certain sitting african american president could try to fix that problem though.

Obama won't endorse him. Obama will stay neutral until there is a nominee apparent.

He's done in politics he doesnt have to give any more sh*ts :P if he really secretly prefers Biden over Clinton than he'll endorse him.

Obama does care, though, because entangling himself in a partisan battle isn't going to help him build a legacy for himself. And, really, I am not sure Obama really likes Biden all that much; there was a time when Obama ordered his aids not to communicate with Biden's staff because Biden's office kept leaking things. That doesn't exactly say much about Obama's confidence in Biden.

Also if Hillary manages to f*ck up on a grand scale (think of the 47% remark Romney had near the end of 2012) than Biden would be sitting in a prime position to overtake Hillary among more moderate leaning democratic voters

This is so unlikely, it's not even worth considering.

Last year she did say that 'businesses dont create jobs', so anything is possible

That's hardly as big a deal as what Romney said. And one thing Hillary is, is polished. She may not be seen as genuine, but she rarely makes gaffes. Biden is more likely to say something utterly idiotic than she is.

True, but stupidity is selling at a pretty high price in this election so far. At least on one side
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10/20/2015 7:47:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/20/2015 7:40:56 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:37:45 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:33:21 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:29:19 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:26:02 PM, imabench wrote:
Also if Hillary manages to f*ck up on a grand scale (think of the 47% remark Romney had near the end of 2012) than Biden would be sitting in a prime position to overtake Hillary among more moderate leaning democratic voters

This is so unlikely, it's not even worth considering.

Last year she did say that 'businesses dont create jobs', so anything is possible

That's hardly as big a deal as what Romney said. And one thing Hillary is, is polished. She may not be seen as genuine, but she rarely makes gaffes. Biden is more likely to say something utterly idiotic than she is.

True, but stupidity is selling at a pretty high price in this election so far. At least on one side

Lol. Indeed.
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10/20/2015 7:58:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/20/2015 7:47:25 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:40:56 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:37:45 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:33:21 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:29:19 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/20/2015 7:26:02 PM, imabench wrote:
Also if Hillary manages to f*ck up on a grand scale (think of the 47% remark Romney had near the end of 2012) than Biden would be sitting in a prime position to overtake Hillary among more moderate leaning democratic voters

This is so unlikely, it's not even worth considering.

Last year she did say that 'businesses dont create jobs', so anything is possible

That's hardly as big a deal as what Romney said. And one thing Hillary is, is polished. She may not be seen as genuine, but she rarely makes gaffes. Biden is more likely to say something utterly idiotic than she is.

True, but stupidity is selling at a pretty high price in this election so far. At least on one side

Lol. Indeed.

He better run, I got a cart of apples on the line.
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10/21/2015 12:59:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/20/2015 7:01:44 PM, bsh1 wrote:
He's missed the first debate, new poll data suggests fewer people think he should run than they did just a few weeks ago, and Huff Posts average of polling data shows Hillary above 50% for the first time since August 16th [http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...].

Should Biden throw his name in? If so, why? If not, why? What impact will his running or not running have on the race?

Most of the national polls (which are relevant for purposes of a candidate's deciding to enter a national race) generally put Hillary above Biden in two significant ways: (1) that she is more likely to win, and (2) that they support her more. I think, and have always thought, that the only reason Biden would run would be if it would make Hillary more likely to win, and I think that he's starting to lean toward the idea that he should because he legitimizes the race.

Lincoln Chaffee and Jim Webb are political farces. Chaffee is a bumbling buffoon, and Webb may as well be a Republican. I think that his entering the race could, realistically, force them out because they are both such meaningless politicians, and I also think it would add a lot more credibility to Hillary's win. It might, likewise, get a part of the DNC (working class white Americans) who have had a tough time supporting Democrats in these past few elections, behind the party.

There are a lot of moving parts that are tough to account for, but Biden is a good guy and I think he should run. I think he should do it sooner rather than later, too.