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10/22/2015 4:49:27 PM
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In a poll just released in Iowa it had Ben Carson topping Trump. Carson had 28% to Trump's 20%. More shocking from the poll is that Rand Paul tops Jeb Bush. http://finance.yahoo.com...

Thoughts?
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10/23/2015 7:29:00 PM
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10/23/2015 7:34:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/22/2015 4:49:27 PM, lannan13 wrote:
In a poll just released in Iowa it had Ben Carson topping Trump. Carson had 28% to Trump's 20%. More shocking from the poll is that Rand Paul tops Jeb Bush. http://finance.yahoo.com...

Thoughts?

If its just a single poll I wouldnt be too concerned. If nine of the next ten polls on the other hand show Carson beating out Trump in Iowa, then I would be very concerned
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10/23/2015 7:48:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/23/2015 7:34:02 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/22/2015 4:49:27 PM, lannan13 wrote:
In a poll just released in Iowa it had Ben Carson topping Trump. Carson had 28% to Trump's 20%. More shocking from the poll is that Rand Paul tops Jeb Bush. http://finance.yahoo.com...

Thoughts?

If its just a single poll I wouldnt be too concerned. If nine of the next ten polls on the other hand show Carson beating out Trump in Iowa, then I would be very concerned

Well it's two polls, but it's still a change for the "Always winning to the point to where you'll get tired of winning" Donald Trump. We'll have to see how this plays out and how he handles second place.
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10/23/2015 8:11:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/22/2015 4:49:27 PM, lannan13 wrote:
In a poll just released in Iowa it had Ben Carson topping Trump. Carson had 28% to Trump's 20%. More shocking from the poll is that Rand Paul tops Jeb Bush. http://finance.yahoo.com...

Thoughts?

Thoughts? Yea, either of the two of them is a looser for a GOP ticket. Now, Paul... Well, that would be a run for the money.
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10/23/2015 9:40:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/23/2015 8:11:51 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/22/2015 4:49:27 PM, lannan13 wrote:
In a poll just released in Iowa it had Ben Carson topping Trump. Carson had 28% to Trump's 20%. More shocking from the poll is that Rand Paul tops Jeb Bush. http://finance.yahoo.com...

Thoughts?

Thoughts? Yea, either of the two of them is a looser for a GOP ticket. Now, Paul... Well, that would be a run for the money.

Indeed, but then again I think Carson would give Bernie a run for his money. It doesn't take a Brain surgeon to figure that one out.
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10/23/2015 9:43:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/23/2015 9:40:39 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/23/2015 8:11:51 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/22/2015 4:49:27 PM, lannan13 wrote:
In a poll just released in Iowa it had Ben Carson topping Trump. Carson had 28% to Trump's 20%. More shocking from the poll is that Rand Paul tops Jeb Bush. http://finance.yahoo.com...

Thoughts?

Thoughts? Yea, either of the two of them is a looser for a GOP ticket. Now, Paul... Well, that would be a run for the money.

Indeed, but then again I think Carson would give Bernie a run for his money. It doesn't take a Brain surgeon to figure that one out.

The Carson allure is even more mystifying to me. I guess he fills the uber Christian spot.
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10/23/2015 9:53:13 PM
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At 10/23/2015 9:51:44 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
It had to happen eventually.

That Carson would become #1 or that Trump would fall out of being #1?
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10/23/2015 11:02:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/23/2015 9:40:39 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/23/2015 8:11:51 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/22/2015 4:49:27 PM, lannan13 wrote:
In a poll just released in Iowa it had Ben Carson topping Trump. Carson had 28% to Trump's 20%. More shocking from the poll is that Rand Paul tops Jeb Bush. http://finance.yahoo.com...

Thoughts?

Thoughts? Yea, either of the two of them is a looser for a GOP ticket. Now, Paul... Well, that would be a run for the money.

Indeed, but then again I think Carson would give Bernie a run for his money. It doesn't take a Brain surgeon to figure that one out.

Yeah, I think that Carson would give Sanders a run for his money. As a Carson supporter who follows him frequently and reads his writings, I think that he enjoys dealing with problem solving, in this case, free market/capitalism vs. socialism. I'd enjoy a debate there.
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10/24/2015 12:07:04 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/23/2015 9:53:13 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/23/2015 9:51:44 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
It had to happen eventually.

That Carson would become #1 or that Trump would fall out of being #1?

Well yeah you can't be number one forever, even Obama had to run out of steam at some point.
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10/24/2015 4:40:13 AM
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I forget, who said that they would eat a bug if Carson won and Trump lost the nomination?
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10/24/2015 4:51:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/23/2015 9:40:39 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/23/2015 8:11:51 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/22/2015 4:49:27 PM, lannan13 wrote:
In a poll just released in Iowa it had Ben Carson topping Trump. Carson had 28% to Trump's 20%. More shocking from the poll is that Rand Paul tops Jeb Bush. http://finance.yahoo.com...

Thoughts?

Thoughts? Yea, either of the two of them is a looser for a GOP ticket. Now, Paul... Well, that would be a run for the money.

Indeed, but then again I think Carson would give Bernie a run for his money. It doesn't take a Brain surgeon to figure that one out.

It takes one good look at the electoral map to realize that it is borderline impossible for a Republican to win.
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10/24/2015 3:06:46 PM
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Sorry. That is not the bet. My offer was if Trump won vs another I eat a bug.

I will expand to Carson though too.
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10/24/2015 5:00:38 PM
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Interestingly, it seems that it is really seperating that the Republicans will be either Carson or Trump. Everyone else is falling off.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

I tend not to like single polls and prefer poll averages (namely RCP). Both Quinnipiac and Bloomberg have Carson by 8 or 9 points in the most recent polls in Iowa. Though Trump still has a double digit lead in NH.
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10/26/2015 11:45:03 PM
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Trump was recently on the news talking about Planned Parenthood doing good things for women. Carson was on the news being against abortion.
There is some concern that the republicans will just forget about the abortion issue.
If the pro-lifers are worried they will be abandoned, they will do something about it.
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10/27/2015 12:04:10 AM
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At 10/26/2015 11:45:03 PM, xus00HAY wrote:
Trump was recently on the news talking about Planned Parenthood doing good things for women. Carson was on the news being against abortion.
There is some concern that the republicans will just forget about the abortion issue.
If the pro-lifers are worried they will be abandoned, they will do something about it.

While I'm by no means saying that Donald Trump is the face of family-values conservatism, I remember that when Trump said that, he made clear that he wasn't talking about the abortion side of Planned Parenthood.
I also heard briefly by a Fox News contributor that he no longer believes that money should be sent to PP for extra-abortion purposes, as sending money to them for any purpose would free them up to use their other money to continue the abortions. However, I only briefly heard that, so I may have heard incorrectly.
Regardless, I hope that Carson or Cruz will be our next president. We need someone to take out the establishment--or the Washington Cartel, as Cruz calls them.
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10/27/2015 1:09:51 AM
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At 10/27/2015 12:04:10 AM, Kilk1 wrote:
Regardless, I hope that Carson or Cruz will be our next president.

I do not believe that Trump will ultimately get the nomination (especially if he loses Iowa). Carson has a shot and I do predict that Carson will win the primary in Iowa. He's a great fit for that state.

In terms of a general election, given that I think Trump will fade after the early primaries, if Carson isn't the Republican nominee, it will end up being Rubio, Cruz, or Kasich. Jeb Bush is toast.

Personally, I'm pro-Trump as I believe that will hand the presidency to Hillary Clinton. If not Trump, my preferred Republican candidates would be whoever currently happens to be polling weakest in the general election against Hillary.
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10/27/2015 2:25:19 AM
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Carson has a shot and I do predict that Carson will win the primary in Iowa. He's a great fit for that state.
I certainly hope so, as 100% of all primary winners have at the very least tied for third in the Iowa caucuses (https://en.wikipedia.org...).

Personally, I'm pro-Trump as I believe that will hand the presidency to Hillary Clinton. If not Trump, my preferred Republican candidates would be whoever currently happens to be polling weakest in the general election against Hillary.
LOL, that's how I feel about the Democratic candidates. In figuring out who to dislike, I'm trying to decide whether Hillary Clinton being a female (and thus the first female president) or Bernie Sanders appealing to the grassroots is better in a general election. Maybe Sander's admitting to being a socialist wouldn't fare well in a general election to where I would be pro-Sanders. I don't know; I do like Colonel Sanders, though (http://www.debate.org...). Or maybe the large list of scandals that Hillary Clinton is associated with would lower her chances in a general election (http://www.huffingtonpost.com...).

Personally, I can see The Donald appealing to moderates as well as to those (like me) who are sick of tired of present DC, but you're entitled to your opinion.
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10/27/2015 3:24:33 AM
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I don't like Trump, Carson or Fiorinna. I hate most of the candidates, but I don't think Incan live with those nominations.
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10/27/2015 3:56:06 AM
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At 10/27/2015 3:24:33 AM, Wylted wrote:
I don't like Trump, Carson or Fiorinna. I hate most of the candidates, but I don't think Incan live with those nominations.
Well, the good news for you is that polls can change. However, based on what has happened 100% of the time, if the Iowa caucuses result in the top three (included those tied for first, second, or third) being candidates you don't like, then I would be concerned. Who do you like?
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10/27/2015 12:56:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/27/2015 3:56:06 AM, Kilk1 wrote:
At 10/27/2015 3:24:33 AM, Wylted wrote:
I don't like Trump, Carson or Fiorinna. I hate most of the candidates, but I don't think Incan live with those nominations.
Well, the good news for you is that polls can change. However, based on what has happened 100% of the time, if the Iowa caucuses result in the top three (included those tied for first, second, or third) being candidates you don't like, then I would be concerned. Who do you like?

I like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, if anybody else wins, I'll have to think about what I want to do.
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10/27/2015 3:35:59 PM
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At 10/27/2015 12:56:25 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/27/2015 3:56:06 AM, Kilk1 wrote:
At 10/27/2015 3:24:33 AM, Wylted wrote:
I don't like Trump, Carson or Fiorinna. I hate most of the candidates, but I don't think Incan live with those nominations.
Well, the good news for you is that polls can change. However, based on what has happened 100% of the time, if the Iowa caucuses result in the top three (included those tied for first, second, or third) being candidates you don't like, then I would be concerned. Who do you like?

I like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, if anybody else wins, I'll have to think about what I want to do.

I don't get what has happened to Paul. Cruz... I thought his support was much more shallow than was perceived, but Paul had some real supporters. Where have they all gone?
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10/27/2015 4:02:04 PM
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At 10/27/2015 12:56:25 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/27/2015 3:56:06 AM, Kilk1 wrote:
At 10/27/2015 3:24:33 AM, Wylted wrote:
I don't like Trump, Carson or Fiorinna. I hate most of the candidates, but I don't think Incan live with those nominations.
Well, the good news for you is that polls can change. However, based on what has happened 100% of the time, if the Iowa caucuses result in the top three (included those tied for first, second, or third) being candidates you don't like, then I would be concerned. Who do you like?

I like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, if anybody else wins, I'll have to think about what I want to do.

It sounds like Ted Cruz is an area of common ground for us. I could easily see him obtaining the nomination, as emails I've received from him say that he is second not only in donations to his PAC, but he's second also with super-PAC donations. I think he's got the ground game to do something special! But, I'm not going to be completely confident until the Iowa caucuses.

By the way, can anyone think of a significant source of error to the view that the top three (including those tied for such positions) in the Republican Iowa caucuses will almost certainly be the next nominee? Is there anything that would cause doubt in that claim? It seems pretty stable to me, as 100% of all previous nominees since the caucuses began have at the very least tied for third (https://en.wikipedia.org...).
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10/27/2015 4:09:24 PM
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I don't get what has happened to Paul. Cruz... I thought his support was much more shallow than was perceived, but Paul had some real supporters. Where have they all gone?

Well, polls can go up and down. None of us saw Trump on the radar, for example. I say just wait for the Iowa caucuses, unless there is a significant source of error to what I have previously presented.
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10/27/2015 4:10:39 PM
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It sounds like Ted Cruz is an area of common ground for us. I could easily see him obtaining the nomination, as emails I've received from him say that he is second not only in donations to his PAC, but he's second also with super-PAC donations. I think he's got the ground game to do something special! But, I'm not going to be completely confident until the Iowa caucuses.

Cruz is sending internal information about his PAC/SuperPAC?
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10/27/2015 5:23:59 PM
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At 10/27/2015 3:35:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/27/2015 12:56:25 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/27/2015 3:56:06 AM, Kilk1 wrote:
At 10/27/2015 3:24:33 AM, Wylted wrote:
I don't like Trump, Carson or Fiorinna. I hate most of the candidates, but I don't think Incan live with those nominations.
Well, the good news for you is that polls can change. However, based on what has happened 100% of the time, if the Iowa caucuses result in the top three (included those tied for first, second, or third) being candidates you don't like, then I would be concerned. Who do you like?

I like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, if anybody else wins, I'll have to think about what I want to do.

I don't get what has happened to Paul. Cruz... I thought his support was much more shallow than was perceived, but Paul had some real supporters. Where have they all gone?

Paul is being seen as a fake libertarian, libertarians are leaving him left and right. He's lost his base by overly appealing to the mainstream. I think the biggest problem is with Libertarians being overly idealistic and not willing to compromise enough.
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10/27/2015 5:27:27 PM
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At 10/27/2015 4:02:04 PM, Kilk1 wrote:
At 10/27/2015 12:56:25 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/27/2015 3:56:06 AM, Kilk1 wrote:
At 10/27/2015 3:24:33 AM, Wylted wrote:
I don't like Trump, Carson or Fiorinna. I hate most of the candidates, but I don't think Incan live with those nominations.
Well, the good news for you is that polls can change. However, based on what has happened 100% of the time, if the Iowa caucuses result in the top three (included those tied for first, second, or third) being candidates you don't like, then I would be concerned. Who do you like?

I like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, if anybody else wins, I'll have to think about what I want to do.

It sounds like Ted Cruz is an area of common ground for us. I could easily see him obtaining the nomination, as emails I've received from him say that he is second not only in donations to his PAC, but he's second also with super-PAC donations. I think he's got the ground game to do something special! But, I'm not going to be completely confident until the Iowa caucuses.

By the way, can anyone think of a significant source of error to the view that the top three (including those tied for such positions) in the Republican Iowa caucuses will almost certainly be the next nominee? Is there anything that would cause doubt in that claim? It seems pretty stable to me, as 100% of all previous nominees since the caucuses began have at the very least tied for third (https://en.wikipedia.org...).

It's like saying people born in the second half of the year are more likely o become president. It's the sharp shooter fallacy. It annoys me when I watch the NFL and hear stupid announcers say something like "Tom Brady has never lost a game in December during a full moon". When looking at these things in reverse those stats are meaningless.
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10/27/2015 5:36:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/27/2015 5:27:27 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/27/2015 4:02:04 PM, Kilk1 wrote:
At 10/27/2015 12:56:25 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/27/2015 3:56:06 AM, Kilk1 wrote:
At 10/27/2015 3:24:33 AM, Wylted wrote:
I don't like Trump, Carson or Fiorinna. I hate most of the candidates, but I don't think Incan live with those nominations.
Well, the good news for you is that polls can change. However, based on what has happened 100% of the time, if the Iowa caucuses result in the top three (included those tied for first, second, or third) being candidates you don't like, then I would be concerned. Who do you like?

I like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, if anybody else wins, I'll have to think about what I want to do.

It sounds like Ted Cruz is an area of common ground for us. I could easily see him obtaining the nomination, as emails I've received from him say that he is second not only in donations to his PAC, but he's second also with super-PAC donations. I think he's got the ground game to do something special! But, I'm not going to be completely confident until the Iowa caucuses.

By the way, can anyone think of a significant source of error to the view that the top three (including those tied for such positions) in the Republican Iowa caucuses will almost certainly be the next nominee? Is there anything that would cause doubt in that claim? It seems pretty stable to me, as 100% of all previous nominees since the caucuses began have at the very least tied for third (https://en.wikipedia.org...).

It's like saying people born in the second half of the year are more likely o become president. It's the sharp shooter fallacy. It annoys me when I watch the NFL and hear stupid announcers say something like "Tom Brady has never lost a game in December during a full moon". When looking at these things in reverse those stats are meaningless.

There were some old rules in picking Derby winners. It worked great till it simply stopped working. Part, in my opinion, of what made it work was the knowledge of the trainers running the same route to the Derby with this trend in-mind. Once the cycle was broken, it was shown to have no meaning.