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10/23/2015 9:53:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Although I'm not from the USA I'm interested in the presidential race. My political views are probably nearer the republican party than the democratic party but as yet I am undecided on who would make the best president from the current selection of candidates from both parties. If I had to say somebody it would probably be Donald trump. He would clearly be controversial but I think it would be interesting to see if a successful entrepreneur and businessman could do a better job of running the economy than the many career politicians who have been running government in recent years.
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10/23/2015 11:11:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Hillary.
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10/23/2015 11:11:58 PM
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At 10/23/2015 11:11:28 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hillary.
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10/23/2015 11:13:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Sanders, Trump or Kasich. I don't care about your internal politics much - just going by who'll be the best for Europe and the world.

Hillary I hate like most of the Republican candidates, although her toying around with them makes her a little more appealing. :)
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10/23/2015 11:57:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/23/2015 9:53:06 PM, beng100 wrote:
Although I'm not from the USA I'm interested in the presidential race. My political views are probably nearer the republican party than the democratic party but as yet I am undecided on who would make the best president from the current selection of candidates from both parties. If I had to say somebody it would probably be Donald trump. He would clearly be controversial but I think it would be interesting to see if a successful entrepreneur and businessman could do a better job of running the economy than the many career politicians who have been running government in recent years.

Oh sweet merciful Satan no.
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10/23/2015 11:59:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/23/2015 11:56:50 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/23/2015 11:11:28 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hillary.

Oh God no.

Why not?
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10/24/2015 12:01:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/23/2015 11:56:50 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:

Oh God no.

At 10/23/2015 11:57:08 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:

Oh sweet merciful Satan no.

Pick one side and stick with it.
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10/24/2015 12:04:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/23/2015 11:59:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/23/2015 11:56:50 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/23/2015 11:11:28 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hillary.

Oh God no.

Why not?

A) Hillary is/seems insincere. It doesn't really even matter which. She's not a figure who inspires trust.
B) Hillary is one of the only candidates who is completely incapable of uniting the American nation once again, ie, she can't heal the divides.
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10/24/2015 12:05:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/24/2015 12:01:31 AM, imabench wrote:
At 10/23/2015 11:56:50 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:

Oh God no.

At 10/23/2015 11:57:08 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:

Oh sweet merciful Satan no.

Pick one side and stick with it.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster wants your soul. Or your virginity.
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10/24/2015 12:07:05 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/24/2015 12:05:11 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:01:31 AM, imabench wrote:
At 10/23/2015 11:56:50 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:

Oh God no.

At 10/23/2015 11:57:08 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:

Oh sweet merciful Satan no.

Pick one side and stick with it.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster wants your soul. Or your virginity.

Well I already sold my soul to Buddha for some Mexican black tar heroin so I guess my virginity will have to do
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10/24/2015 12:07:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/23/2015 11:11:28 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hillary.

I think she is a strong candidate and is clearly the most likely democrat to win a presidential election. However I feel she has been around the political scene a long time and maybe it's time for some fresh ideas. It would be nice to see a woman become president though.
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10/24/2015 12:08:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/23/2015 11:57:08 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/23/2015 9:53:06 PM, beng100 wrote:
Although I'm not from the USA I'm interested in the presidential race. My political views are probably nearer the republican party than the democratic party but as yet I am undecided on who would make the best president from the current selection of candidates from both parties. If I had to say somebody it would probably be Donald trump. He would clearly be controversial but I think it would be interesting to see if a successful entrepreneur and businessman could do a better job of running the economy than the many career politicians who have been running government in recent years.

Oh sweet merciful Satan no.

Who do you want as president then?
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10/24/2015 12:08:12 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/24/2015 12:04:39 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/23/2015 11:59:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/23/2015 11:56:50 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/23/2015 11:11:28 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hillary.

Oh God no.

Why not?

A) Hillary is/seems insincere. It doesn't really even matter which. She's not a figure who inspires trust.

I discussed the issue of authenticity in a forum thread I made awhile ago. Ultimately, I don't really think it matters if she is insincere if she is competent. Before Nixon went crazy, he was one of our nation's best administrators. Now, I don't think Hillary is nuts (Nixon was nuts), but I think it does show that you don't need to be sincere to do a good job.

B) Hillary is one of the only candidates who is completely incapable of uniting the American nation once again, ie, she can't heal the divides.

Bernie won't heal the divides, he'll just make the GOP wingnuts more irate. Yet, you support Bernie. It just seems a bit incongruous. Ultimately, I think only a GOP president could unite the nation, because Democrats are more forgiving and the GOP is too paranoid to trust any Democrat in the Oval Office. And I fundamentally think that any republican candidate is a bad choice for America.
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10/24/2015 12:08:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I *want* Sanders to be the man who sparks a political realignment in American politics by being someone who actually revolutionizes the whole process by galvanizing the youth vote. The youth are the only group capable of rivaling the elders, after all.

I doubt it'll happen though. I expect another Clinton v Bush.
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10/24/2015 12:08:58 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/24/2015 12:07:15 AM, beng100 wrote:
At 10/23/2015 11:11:28 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hillary.

I think she is a strong candidate and is clearly the most likely democrat to win a presidential election. However I feel she has been around the political scene a long time and maybe it's time for some fresh ideas. It would be nice to see a woman become president though.

We don't really have any viable alternative beyond her, and the republicans are all crazy.
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10/24/2015 12:09:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/23/2015 11:13:03 PM, Mirza wrote:
Sanders, Trump or Kasich. I don't care about your internal politics much - just going by who'll be the best for Europe and the world.

Hillary I hate like most of the Republican candidates, although her toying around with them makes her a little more appealing. :)

What do you dislike about Clinton? Her generally interventionist approach in the middle east?
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10/24/2015 12:10:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/24/2015 12:08:12 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:04:39 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/23/2015 11:59:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/23/2015 11:56:50 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/23/2015 11:11:28 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hillary.

Oh God no.

Why not?

A) Hillary is/seems insincere. It doesn't really even matter which. She's not a figure who inspires trust.

I discussed the issue of authenticity in a forum thread I made awhile ago. Ultimately, I don't really think it matters if she is insincere if she is competent. Before Nixon went crazy, he was one of our nation's best administrators. Now, I don't think Hillary is nuts (Nixon was nuts), but I think it does show that you don't need to be sincere to do a good job.

B) Hillary is one of the only candidates who is completely incapable of uniting the American nation once again, ie, she can't heal the divides.

Bernie won't heal the divides, he'll just make the GOP wingnuts more irate. Yet, you support Bernie. It just seems a bit incongruous. Ultimately, I think only a GOP president could unite the nation, because Democrats are more forgiving and the GOP is too paranoid to trust any Democrat in the Oval Office. And I fundamentally think that any republican candidate is a bad choice for America.

No, I think Bernie has the potential to finally bring the GOP's inner war to its boiling point and finally force the Republican Party to reorganize itself.
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10/24/2015 12:10:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/24/2015 12:07:05 AM, imabench wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:05:11 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:01:31 AM, imabench wrote:
At 10/23/2015 11:56:50 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:

Oh God no.

At 10/23/2015 11:57:08 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:

Oh sweet merciful Satan no.

Pick one side and stick with it.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster wants your soul. Or your virginity.

Well I already sold my soul to Buddha for some Mexican black tar heroin so I guess my virginity will have to do

Vishnu approves.
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10/24/2015 12:14:41 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/24/2015 12:10:17 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:08:12 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Bernie won't heal the divides, he'll just make the GOP wingnuts more irate. Yet, you support Bernie. It just seems a bit incongruous. Ultimately, I think only a GOP president could unite the nation, because Democrats are more forgiving and the GOP is too paranoid to trust any Democrat in the Oval Office. And I fundamentally think that any republican candidate is a bad choice for America.

No, I think Bernie has the potential to finally bring the GOP's inner war to its boiling point and finally force the Republican Party to reorganize itself.

I disagree. I think that moderates will compromise and tea partiers will freak out. Situation: Normal. The only way to unite the GOP is from within.
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10/24/2015 12:16:05 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/24/2015 12:14:41 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:10:17 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:08:12 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Bernie won't heal the divides, he'll just make the GOP wingnuts more irate. Yet, you support Bernie. It just seems a bit incongruous. Ultimately, I think only a GOP president could unite the nation, because Democrats are more forgiving and the GOP is too paranoid to trust any Democrat in the Oval Office. And I fundamentally think that any republican candidate is a bad choice for America.

No, I think Bernie has the potential to finally bring the GOP's inner war to its boiling point and finally force the Republican Party to reorganize itself.

I disagree. I think that moderates will compromise and tea partiers will freak out. Situation: Normal. The only way to unite the GOP is from within.

You really don't think the GOP is imploding? The roots are sickly, not the branches. Making it look nice again won't help. The only way to save it is to tear it down and rebuild it.
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10/24/2015 12:17:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/24/2015 12:16:05 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:14:41 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:10:17 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:08:12 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Bernie won't heal the divides, he'll just make the GOP wingnuts more irate. Yet, you support Bernie. It just seems a bit incongruous. Ultimately, I think only a GOP president could unite the nation, because Democrats are more forgiving and the GOP is too paranoid to trust any Democrat in the Oval Office. And I fundamentally think that any republican candidate is a bad choice for America.

No, I think Bernie has the potential to finally bring the GOP's inner war to its boiling point and finally force the Republican Party to reorganize itself.

I disagree. I think that moderates will compromise and tea partiers will freak out. Situation: Normal. The only way to unite the GOP is from within.

You really don't think the GOP is imploding? The roots are sickly, not the branches. Making it look nice again won't help. The only way to save it is to tear it down and rebuild it.

I wouldn't mind the GOP imploding for a few years. I'd be happy with 10-30 years of blue dominance. My only concern is that the party eventually comes back to life.
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10/24/2015 12:17:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/24/2015 12:17:02 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:16:05 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:14:41 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:10:17 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:08:12 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Bernie won't heal the divides, he'll just make the GOP wingnuts more irate. Yet, you support Bernie. It just seems a bit incongruous. Ultimately, I think only a GOP president could unite the nation, because Democrats are more forgiving and the GOP is too paranoid to trust any Democrat in the Oval Office. And I fundamentally think that any republican candidate is a bad choice for America.

No, I think Bernie has the potential to finally bring the GOP's inner war to its boiling point and finally force the Republican Party to reorganize itself.

I disagree. I think that moderates will compromise and tea partiers will freak out. Situation: Normal. The only way to unite the GOP is from within.

You really don't think the GOP is imploding? The roots are sickly, not the branches. Making it look nice again won't help. The only way to save it is to tear it down and rebuild it.

I wouldn't mind the GOP imploding for a few years. I'd be happy with 10-30 years of blue dominance. My only concern is that the party eventually comes back to life.

You desire a 1-party system? Just the Democrats?
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10/24/2015 12:21:49 AM
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At 10/24/2015 12:17:52 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:17:02 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:16:05 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
You really don't think the GOP is imploding? The roots are sickly, not the branches. Making it look nice again won't help. The only way to save it is to tear it down and rebuild it.

I wouldn't mind the GOP imploding for a few years. I'd be happy with 10-30 years of blue dominance. My only concern is that the party eventually comes back to life.

You desire a 1-party system? Just the Democrats?

I desire temporary one party dominance, which is something we've had before in this country. Do I want a 1 party system? No. But, I wouldn't mind if the next 3-5 election cycles went overwhelmingly blue because the GOP is a total mess.
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10/24/2015 12:23:04 AM
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At 10/24/2015 12:08:58 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:07:15 AM, beng100 wrote:
At 10/23/2015 11:11:28 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hillary.

I think she is a strong candidate and is clearly the most likely democrat to win a presidential election. However I feel she has been around the political scene a long time and maybe it's time for some fresh ideas. It would be nice to see a woman become president though.

We don't really have any viable alternative beyond her, and the republicans are all crazy.

I think o Malley occupies very similar ground to Clinton and although his lesser known status hinders his image and he has no chance of nomination for the democrats I believe he would be a better president due to fresh ideas and a new start. I think it's time the US moved on from Bush-clinton family political dynasties. Not because either have any specific major flaw but because in democracy change is important and consolidation of power within a particular family does not look great on the world stage when the us is trying to bring down dictatorship monarchies in places like north Korea and Syria. Jeb Bush seems like a good guy to me but it's surely crazy to elect a third person from the same close family to the presidency.
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10/24/2015 12:26:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/24/2015 12:23:04 AM, beng100 wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:08:58 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:07:15 AM, beng100 wrote:
At 10/23/2015 11:11:28 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hillary.

I think she is a strong candidate and is clearly the most likely democrat to win a presidential election. However I feel she has been around the political scene a long time and maybe it's time for some fresh ideas. It would be nice to see a woman become president though.

We don't really have any viable alternative beyond her, and the republicans are all crazy.

I think o Malley occupies very similar ground to Clinton and although his lesser known status hinders his image and he has no chance of nomination for the democrats I believe he would be a better president due to fresh ideas and a new start.

O'Malley was my governor. He is far, far too liberal to be competitive generally.
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10/24/2015 12:36:17 AM
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At 10/24/2015 12:21:49 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:17:52 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:17:02 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:16:05 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
You really don't think the GOP is imploding? The roots are sickly, not the branches. Making it look nice again won't help. The only way to save it is to tear it down and rebuild it.

I wouldn't mind the GOP imploding for a few years. I'd be happy with 10-30 years of blue dominance. My only concern is that the party eventually comes back to life.

You desire a 1-party system? Just the Democrats?

I desire temporary one party dominance, which is something we've had before in this country. Do I want a 1 party system? No. But, I wouldn't mind if the next 3-5 election cycles went overwhelmingly blue because the GOP is a total mess.

I think what would be better for America would be a change to the voting system that allowed for increased representation and possibilities for other parties. The US is clearly a 2 party state. The way it's democracy operates makes it impossible for other parties to have significant impact as all voters know ultimately each election has two potential winners and a vote for another party is essentially a protest vote that is irrelevent to the result. Politicians know that there are only two parties they can join that have the chance of running the country. Therefore politicians on the centre, extreme left and extreme rightl join the two main parties and attempt to drag them in their direction rather then joining a smaller party that better reflects their views. A split of the two main parties into smaller fragments would effectively increase democratic political debate, allow for parties to be run by individuals and supporters with much more aligned views and allow for real democratic choice at elections rather than the current left or right choice. It's quite clear the right of the republican party is causing it significant damage and it would fare much better without it.
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10/24/2015 12:37:54 AM
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At 10/24/2015 12:36:17 AM, beng100 wrote:
I think what would be better for America would be a change to the voting system that allowed for increased representation and possibilities for other parties. The US is clearly a 2 party state. The way it's democracy operates makes it impossible for other parties to have significant impact as all voters know ultimately each election has two potential winners and a vote for another party is essentially a protest vote that is irrelevent to the result. Politicians know that there are only two parties they can join that have the chance of running the country. Therefore politicians on the centre, extreme left and extreme rightl join the two main parties and attempt to drag them in their direction rather then joining a smaller party that better reflects their views. A split of the two main parties into smaller fragments would effectively increase democratic political debate, allow for parties to be run by individuals and supporters with much more aligned views and allow for real democratic choice at elections rather than the current left or right choice. It's quite clear the right of the republican party is causing it significant damage and it would fare much better without it.

Perhaps the system is flawed, but I think we still have a very vibrant, strong democracy. I don't think the problem is so bad yet that we should contemplate such radical change.
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10/24/2015 12:43:28 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/24/2015 12:26:09 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:23:04 AM, beng100 wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:08:58 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/24/2015 12:07:15 AM, beng100 wrote:
At 10/23/2015 11:11:28 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hillary.

I think she is a strong candidate and is clearly the most likely democrat to win a presidential election. However I feel she has been around the political scene a long time and maybe it's time for some fresh ideas. It would be nice to see a woman become president though.

We don't really have any viable alternative beyond her, and the republicans are all crazy.

I think o Malley occupies very similar ground to Clinton and although his lesser known status hinders his image and he has no chance of nomination for the democrats I believe he would be a better president due to fresh ideas and a new start.

O'Malley was my governor. He is far, far too liberal to be competitive generally.

Fair enough. Yes that's why Clinton is a good candidate. In my view she is a centre right candidate (in my country a socialist leads the left wing party!, which means I may view the spectrum differently to americans), which historically wins elections for democrats and as you are a democrat supporter your view makes perfect sense as o'malley would likely lose an election.