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10/26/2015 6:01:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
This video demonstrates all you need to know about why Bernie Sanders is unfit to be the commander in chief of the US military. When two protestors steal the microphone that is rightfully his, he stands by and allows them to have it. When said protestors call his supporters "screaming white racists", he stands by like a coward and does nothing as they are insulted. This is how Bernie stands up for his supporters.

A stunningly pathetic display. He seems like a nice guy, which is these protestors knew to target him. He's weak and an easy target. Hillary Clinton, for all her faults, would never have allowed something like this to happen.
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10/26/2015 6:06:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Have you ever seen anything more pathetic?

Answer: Yes. Right here

Say what you will about Black Lives Matter, but if their goal is secretly to expose politicians for the cowardly, spineless, gutless, simpering fools they are than they've done a hell of a job. A candidate apologizing and groveling for daring to say "All lives matter".

People don't understand that these attacks on white people/whiteness don't attack whiteness because it's in a position of strength. They attack it because it's in a position of weakness. In a truly white supremacist society, a candidate who apologized like that for daring to suggest that white people have value too would be laughed out of the political arena if not subjected to some form of mob violence. Instead all that display elicits is some nervous laughter from the demographic that willingly gave up its majority status because it would've been racist not to.

Our country has gone off the deep end
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10/26/2015 6:36:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I simply can't get over how pathetic this video is. The crowd roars their defiance, their supposed leader cowers.
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10/26/2015 6:41:48 PM
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I've said before as well that Sanders has been too cowardly at times. In this instance, and also where he was too tame to launch an offence against the lunatic Clinton.

However, in that video I think he was just rather uncomfortable, and didn't want to deal with unrest during his entire speech, so he let it go. Doesn't necessarily speak of his capability to lead.
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10/26/2015 6:46:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/26/2015 6:41:48 PM, Mirza wrote:
I've said before as well that Sanders has been too cowardly at times. In this instance, and also where he was too tame to launch an offence against the lunatic Clinton.

However, in that video I think he was just rather uncomfortable, and didn't want to deal with unrest during his entire speech, so he let it go. Doesn't necessarily speak of his capability to lead.

It shows that when he is confronted his first instinct is to surrender. Anybody would be uncomfortable in that situation, but leaders have to make quick choices in tough situations. Bernie and his supporters were quite literally attacked, and the choice he made was to surrender without a fight while the crowd roared in defiance, eager to settle the issue. That is not leadership
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10/26/2015 6:55:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/26/2015 6:46:34 PM, thett3 wrote:
It shows that when he is confronted his first instinct is to surrender. Anybody would be uncomfortable in that situation, but leaders have to make quick choices in tough situations. Bernie and his supporters were quite literally attacked, and the choice he made was to surrender without a fight while the crowd roared in defiance, eager to settle the issue. That is not leadership
This wasn't an important enough instance for him in which a display of leadership was necessary. We all act on instincts that imply defeatist/cowardly traits at times, but that's often just because it's better than the alternative. If Bernie did this all the time, it would be one thing - but obviously he felt it's an isolated instance in which causing a more chaotic scene is unnecessary because the impact of the decision to let that happen isn't so good as to do something for it (i.e., push those stupid girls aside).
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10/26/2015 6:59:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/26/2015 6:55:18 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/26/2015 6:46:34 PM, thett3 wrote:
It shows that when he is confronted his first instinct is to surrender. Anybody would be uncomfortable in that situation, but leaders have to make quick choices in tough situations. Bernie and his supporters were quite literally attacked, and the choice he made was to surrender without a fight while the crowd roared in defiance, eager to settle the issue. That is not leadership
This wasn't an important enough instance for him in which a display of leadership was necessary. We all act on instincts that imply defeatist/cowardly traits at times, but that's often just because it's better than the alternative. If Bernie did this all the time, it would be one thing - but obviously he felt it's an isolated instance in which causing a more chaotic scene is unnecessary because the impact of the decision to let that happen isn't so good as to do something for it (i.e., push those stupid girls aside).

This was more than just an instinctual choice. He had 25 minutes to do something. The girls called his supporters screaming racists, and instead of stepping in even at that point and saying "that's enough", he just stood there.

Keep in mind there's a reason they targeted Bernie. Could you really see this working on Clinton? Trump? Maybe on Jeb.
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10/26/2015 7:03:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/26/2015 6:59:08 PM, thett3 wrote:
This was more than just an instinctual choice. He had 25 minutes to do something. The girls called his supporters screaming racists, and instead of stepping in even at that point and saying "that's enough", he just stood there.

Keep in mind there's a reason they targeted Bernie. Could you really see this working on Clinton? Trump? Maybe on Jeb.
But again, this more probably than not just shows he assessed it be unnecessary to shove them off as they would probably just have disrupted his speech one way or another. Trump wouldn't have let it happen, but that could be an equally bad decision depending on how you look at it. Let them speak and let them go, or push them aside and let them remain to make the scene chaotic to a degree. Instinct can make you act aggressive or passive (the latter was the case for Bernie), but leadership requires assessment of a situation - and that's why just pushing them aside isn't necessarily a better decision, as Bernie probably thought.
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10/26/2015 7:07:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/26/2015 7:03:51 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/26/2015 6:59:08 PM, thett3 wrote:
This was more than just an instinctual choice. He had 25 minutes to do something. The girls called his supporters screaming racists, and instead of stepping in even at that point and saying "that's enough", he just stood there.

Keep in mind there's a reason they targeted Bernie. Could you really see this working on Clinton? Trump? Maybe on Jeb.
But again, this more probably than not just shows he assessed it be unnecessary to shove them off as they would probably just have disrupted his speech one way or another. Trump wouldn't have let it happen, but that could be an equally bad decision depending on how you look at it. Let them speak and let them go, or push them aside and let them remain to make the scene chaotic to a degree. Instinct can make you act aggressive or passive (the latter was the case for Bernie), but leadership requires assessment of a situation - and that's why just pushing them aside isn't necessarily a better decision, as Bernie probably thought.

He was wrong, and that decision shows how poor his leadership ability is and how his timid instincts overcome and rational assessment of how to act. Even his fans in *Seattle* of all places were ready to have them escorted off the stage. Bernie was the weakest among a crowd of Seattle liberals, believe me when I say that's saying something

It would be one thing if Bernie, unsure of how to react, back down for a minute or two. It's quite another to sit there and take it for 25 minutes while they berate you, your supporters, and ruin your rally. A leader has an obligation to stand up for his people against attackers, and he didn't. That's all that needs to be said
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10/26/2015 7:14:14 PM
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At 10/26/2015 7:07:58 PM, thett3 wrote:
He was wrong, and that decision shows how poor his leadership ability is and how his timid instincts overcome and rational assessment of how to act. Even his fans in *Seattle* of all places were ready to have them escorted off the stage. Bernie was the weakest among a crowd of Seattle liberals, believe me when I say that's saying something

It would be one thing if Bernie, unsure of how to react, back down for a minute or two. It's quite another to sit there and take it for 25 minutes while they berate you, your supporters, and ruin your rally. A leader has an obligation to stand up for his people against attackers, and he didn't. That's all that needs to be said
I agree he could've displayed more authority there, but again, he assessed the situation to be such that the alternative to what he did would have done more bad than good. He could've displayed more leadership in the strict sense of the term, but that doesn't mean it would have been a good decision publicity-wise. In a situation where important decisions are to be made, I'm confident he'd act more like a leader.

With that said - what's your take on the BLM movement?
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10/26/2015 7:18:36 PM
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At 10/26/2015 7:14:14 PM, Mirza wrote:
With that said - what's your take on the BLM movement?

I think that when they do stupid sh!t like block off major roadways, the police should clear them out with their billyclubs in a matter of minutes, arrest everyone involved, and charge them to the fullest extent of the law. Unfortunately due to really poor marketing choices, those kinds of incidents are all a person who doesn't pay attention hears about. I obviously don't object to protesting wrongful police killings, but calling Mike Browns killing a "ruthless murder" when he attacked a cop, tried to steal his gun, refused to surrender, and charged him is a pretty big stretch
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10/26/2015 7:23:02 PM
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I think it was a smart and calculated decision on Sanders' part. Any Democratic candidate (Republicans could have chased them off and been fine) who shooed them off would have suffered severely for it in the polls/running. The DNC has passed a resolution supporting BLM. For Sanders to dismiss them would have detrimentally impacted him among liberals, and he really needs to court liberals if he can have any chance at overthrowing Hillary. Unfortunately, BLM holds major sway among liberals and Democrats.
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10/26/2015 7:26:39 PM
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At 10/26/2015 7:23:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think it was a smart and calculated decision on Sanders' part. Any Democratic candidate (Republicans could have chased them off and been fine) who shooed them off would have suffered severely for it in the polls/running. The DNC has passed a resolution supporting BLM. For Sanders to dismiss them would have detrimentally impacted him among liberals, and he really needs to court liberals if he can have any chance at overthrowing Hillary. Unfortunately, BLM holds major sway among liberals and Democrats.

If it was a calculated decision, it was a shitty calculation and speaks poorly on his ability to make good decisions under pressure. You say that to kick them off would've hurt him among liberals....a crowd of liberals screamed for them to get the f*ck off the stage. A crowd of liberals was attacked by them. I guarantee you that there was not a single person who saw that and thought "wow, great movie Bernie. I am impressed at your leadership abilities". At best for Bernie they just felt uncomfortable with the cognitive dissonance of supporting such a weak man to be their leader
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10/26/2015 7:29:04 PM
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At 10/26/2015 7:23:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think it was a smart and calculated decision on Sanders' part. Any Democratic candidate (Republicans could have chased them off and been fine) who shooed them off would have suffered severely for it in the polls/running. The DNC has passed a resolution supporting BLM. For Sanders to dismiss them would have detrimentally impacted him among liberals, and he really needs to court liberals if he can have any chance at overthrowing Hillary. Unfortunately, BLM holds major sway among liberals and Democrats.

Also you're saying that Bernie is more interested in winning political capital than standing up for his supporters when they are attacked. The kind of person who would rather feel liked by his enemies than stand up for his friends...just the kind of man we need in that private conference room with foreign leaders
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10/26/2015 7:29:48 PM
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You already know my feelings about this, and so I am not going to rehash them here. Suffice it to say, for the record, that I disagree with you. And, if Bernie is who we ultimately nominate, and while he may not be my top choice, I would easily vote for him over any of the remaining GOP candidates.
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10/26/2015 7:31:02 PM
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At 10/26/2015 7:29:04 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:23:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think it was a smart and calculated decision on Sanders' part. Any Democratic candidate (Republicans could have chased them off and been fine) who shooed them off would have suffered severely for it in the polls/running. The DNC has passed a resolution supporting BLM. For Sanders to dismiss them would have detrimentally impacted him among liberals, and he really needs to court liberals if he can have any chance at overthrowing Hillary. Unfortunately, BLM holds major sway among liberals and Democrats.

Also you're saying that Bernie is more interested in winning political capital than standing up for his supporters when they are attacked. The kind of person who would rather feel liked by his enemies than stand up for his friends...just the kind of man we need in that private conference room with foreign leaders

A man who takes minor blows, makes sacrifices, to get into a position of power where he can do some significant good is something I'd say we need, yes.
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10/26/2015 7:31:47 PM
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At 10/26/2015 7:26:39 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:23:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think it was a smart and calculated decision on Sanders' part. Any Democratic candidate (Republicans could have chased them off and been fine) who shooed them off would have suffered severely for it in the polls/running. The DNC has passed a resolution supporting BLM. For Sanders to dismiss them would have detrimentally impacted him among liberals, and he really needs to court liberals if he can have any chance at overthrowing Hillary. Unfortunately, BLM holds major sway among liberals and Democrats.

If it was a calculated decision, it was a shitty calculation and speaks poorly on his ability to make good decisions under pressure. You say that to kick them off would've hurt him among liberals....a crowd of liberals screamed for them to get the f*ck off the stage. A crowd of liberals was attacked by them. I guarantee you that there was not a single person who saw that and thought "wow, great movie Bernie. I am impressed at your leadership abilities". At best for Bernie they just felt uncomfortable with the cognitive dissonance of supporting such a weak man to be their leader

Thett, dismissing them would have been a catastrophic decision for any Democrat to make.
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10/26/2015 7:32:23 PM
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At 10/26/2015 7:18:36 PM, thett3 wrote:
I think that when they do stupid sh!t like block off major roadways, the police should clear them out with their billyclubs in a matter of minutes, arrest everyone involved, and charge them to the fullest extent of the law. Unfortunately due to really poor marketing choices, those kinds of incidents are all a person who doesn't pay attention hears about. I obviously don't object to protesting wrongful police killings, but calling Mike Browns killing a "ruthless murder" when he attacked a cop, tried to steal his gun, refused to surrender, and charged him is a pretty big stretch
Agreed.
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10/26/2015 7:32:43 PM
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At 10/26/2015 7:31:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:29:04 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:23:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think it was a smart and calculated decision on Sanders' part. Any Democratic candidate (Republicans could have chased them off and been fine) who shooed them off would have suffered severely for it in the polls/running. The DNC has passed a resolution supporting BLM. For Sanders to dismiss them would have detrimentally impacted him among liberals, and he really needs to court liberals if he can have any chance at overthrowing Hillary. Unfortunately, BLM holds major sway among liberals and Democrats.

Also you're saying that Bernie is more interested in winning political capital than standing up for his supporters when they are attacked. The kind of person who would rather feel liked by his enemies than stand up for his friends...just the kind of man we need in that private conference room with foreign leaders

A man who takes minor blows, makes sacrifices, to get into a position of power where he can do some significant good is something I'd say we need, yes.

A man who is more interested in feeling nice and liked by people who will hate him no matter what than actually supporting the people who give him their support. Got it
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10/26/2015 7:33:15 PM
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At 10/26/2015 7:31:47 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:26:39 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:23:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think it was a smart and calculated decision on Sanders' part. Any Democratic candidate (Republicans could have chased them off and been fine) who shooed them off would have suffered severely for it in the polls/running. The DNC has passed a resolution supporting BLM. For Sanders to dismiss them would have detrimentally impacted him among liberals, and he really needs to court liberals if he can have any chance at overthrowing Hillary. Unfortunately, BLM holds major sway among liberals and Democrats.

If it was a calculated decision, it was a shitty calculation and speaks poorly on his ability to make good decisions under pressure. You say that to kick them off would've hurt him among liberals....a crowd of liberals screamed for them to get the f*ck off the stage. A crowd of liberals was attacked by them. I guarantee you that there was not a single person who saw that and thought "wow, great movie Bernie. I am impressed at your leadership abilities". At best for Bernie they just felt uncomfortable with the cognitive dissonance of supporting such a weak man to be their leader

Thett, dismissing them would have been a catastrophic decision for any Democrat to make.

That's contradicted by the mass of democrats screaming for them to get lost.
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10/26/2015 7:34:51 PM
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At 10/26/2015 7:33:15 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:31:47 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:26:39 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:23:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think it was a smart and calculated decision on Sanders' part. Any Democratic candidate (Republicans could have chased them off and been fine) who shooed them off would have suffered severely for it in the polls/running. The DNC has passed a resolution supporting BLM. For Sanders to dismiss them would have detrimentally impacted him among liberals, and he really needs to court liberals if he can have any chance at overthrowing Hillary. Unfortunately, BLM holds major sway among liberals and Democrats.

If it was a calculated decision, it was a shitty calculation and speaks poorly on his ability to make good decisions under pressure. You say that to kick them off would've hurt him among liberals....a crowd of liberals screamed for them to get the f*ck off the stage. A crowd of liberals was attacked by them. I guarantee you that there was not a single person who saw that and thought "wow, great movie Bernie. I am impressed at your leadership abilities". At best for Bernie they just felt uncomfortable with the cognitive dissonance of supporting such a weak man to be their leader

Thett, dismissing them would have been a catastrophic decision for any Democrat to make.

That's contradicted by the mass of democrats screaming for them to get lost.

One rally =\= all liberals. I told you, the DNC has endorsed BLM. Rejecting them is tantamount to Sanders rejecting the entire DNC.
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10/26/2015 7:35:34 PM
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At 10/26/2015 7:32:43 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:31:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:29:04 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:23:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think it was a smart and calculated decision on Sanders' part. Any Democratic candidate (Republicans could have chased them off and been fine) who shooed them off would have suffered severely for it in the polls/running. The DNC has passed a resolution supporting BLM. For Sanders to dismiss them would have detrimentally impacted him among liberals, and he really needs to court liberals if he can have any chance at overthrowing Hillary. Unfortunately, BLM holds major sway among liberals and Democrats.

Also you're saying that Bernie is more interested in winning political capital than standing up for his supporters when they are attacked. The kind of person who would rather feel liked by his enemies than stand up for his friends...just the kind of man we need in that private conference room with foreign leaders

A man who takes minor blows, makes sacrifices, to get into a position of power where he can do some significant good is something I'd say we need, yes.

A man who is more interested in feeling nice and liked by people who will hate him no matter what than actually supporting the people who give him their support. Got it

A man willing to extend bridges to his enemies rather than wave his d!ck at them is someone who deserves my support, yes.
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10/26/2015 7:36:50 PM
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At 10/26/2015 7:34:51 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:33:15 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:31:47 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:26:39 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:23:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think it was a smart and calculated decision on Sanders' part. Any Democratic candidate (Republicans could have chased them off and been fine) who shooed them off would have suffered severely for it in the polls/running. The DNC has passed a resolution supporting BLM. For Sanders to dismiss them would have detrimentally impacted him among liberals, and he really needs to court liberals if he can have any chance at overthrowing Hillary. Unfortunately, BLM holds major sway among liberals and Democrats.

If it was a calculated decision, it was a shitty calculation and speaks poorly on his ability to make good decisions under pressure. You say that to kick them off would've hurt him among liberals....a crowd of liberals screamed for them to get the f*ck off the stage. A crowd of liberals was attacked by them. I guarantee you that there was not a single person who saw that and thought "wow, great movie Bernie. I am impressed at your leadership abilities". At best for Bernie they just felt uncomfortable with the cognitive dissonance of supporting such a weak man to be their leader

Thett, dismissing them would have been a catastrophic decision for any Democrat to make.

That's contradicted by the mass of democrats screaming for them to get lost.

One rally =\= all liberals. I told you, the DNC has endorsed BLM. Rejecting them is tantamount to Sanders rejecting the entire DNC.

The DNC did not support that and never would. You're right though, the rally isn't representative of the DNC--Seattle hardcore liberals are less likely to endorse the use of force than the average democrat.

Bernie had a chance to stand up for his followers and he didn't. That's what it comes down to.
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: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
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10/26/2015 7:37:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/26/2015 7:35:34 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:32:43 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:31:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:29:04 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:23:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think it was a smart and calculated decision on Sanders' part. Any Democratic candidate (Republicans could have chased them off and been fine) who shooed them off would have suffered severely for it in the polls/running. The DNC has passed a resolution supporting BLM. For Sanders to dismiss them would have detrimentally impacted him among liberals, and he really needs to court liberals if he can have any chance at overthrowing Hillary. Unfortunately, BLM holds major sway among liberals and Democrats.

Also you're saying that Bernie is more interested in winning political capital than standing up for his supporters when they are attacked. The kind of person who would rather feel liked by his enemies than stand up for his friends...just the kind of man we need in that private conference room with foreign leaders

A man who takes minor blows, makes sacrifices, to get into a position of power where he can do some significant good is something I'd say we need, yes.

A man who is more interested in feeling nice and liked by people who will hate him no matter what than actually supporting the people who give him their support. Got it

A man willing to extend bridges to his enemies rather than wave his d!ck at them is someone who deserves my support, yes.

Don't be naive. He got no respect from them for that stunt.
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: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
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10/26/2015 7:39:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/26/2015 7:36:50 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:34:51 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:33:15 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:31:47 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:26:39 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:23:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think it was a smart and calculated decision on Sanders' part. Any Democratic candidate (Republicans could have chased them off and been fine) who shooed them off would have suffered severely for it in the polls/running. The DNC has passed a resolution supporting BLM. For Sanders to dismiss them would have detrimentally impacted him among liberals, and he really needs to court liberals if he can have any chance at overthrowing Hillary. Unfortunately, BLM holds major sway among liberals and Democrats.

If it was a calculated decision, it was a shitty calculation and speaks poorly on his ability to make good decisions under pressure. You say that to kick them off would've hurt him among liberals....a crowd of liberals screamed for them to get the f*ck off the stage. A crowd of liberals was attacked by them. I guarantee you that there was not a single person who saw that and thought "wow, great movie Bernie. I am impressed at your leadership abilities". At best for Bernie they just felt uncomfortable with the cognitive dissonance of supporting such a weak man to be their leader

Thett, dismissing them would have been a catastrophic decision for any Democrat to make.

That's contradicted by the mass of democrats screaming for them to get lost.

One rally =\= all liberals. I told you, the DNC has endorsed BLM. Rejecting them is tantamount to Sanders rejecting the entire DNC.

The DNC did not support that and never would. You're right though, the rally isn't representative of the DNC--Seattle hardcore liberals are less likely to endorse the use of force than the average democrat.

Except they did.
http://mashable.com...
http://www.msnbc.com...

Bernie had a chance to stand up for his followers and he didn't. That's what it comes down to.
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10/26/2015 7:41:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/26/2015 7:39:19 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:36:50 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:34:51 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:33:15 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:31:47 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:26:39 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:23:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think it was a smart and calculated decision on Sanders' part. Any Democratic candidate (Republicans could have chased them off and been fine) who shooed them off would have suffered severely for it in the polls/running. The DNC has passed a resolution supporting BLM. For Sanders to dismiss them would have detrimentally impacted him among liberals, and he really needs to court liberals if he can have any chance at overthrowing Hillary. Unfortunately, BLM holds major sway among liberals and Democrats.

If it was a calculated decision, it was a shitty calculation and speaks poorly on his ability to make good decisions under pressure. You say that to kick them off would've hurt him among liberals....a crowd of liberals screamed for them to get the f*ck off the stage. A crowd of liberals was attacked by them. I guarantee you that there was not a single person who saw that and thought "wow, great movie Bernie. I am impressed at your leadership abilities". At best for Bernie they just felt uncomfortable with the cognitive dissonance of supporting such a weak man to be their leader

Thett, dismissing them would have been a catastrophic decision for any Democrat to make.

That's contradicted by the mass of democrats screaming for them to get lost.

One rally =\= all liberals. I told you, the DNC has endorsed BLM. Rejecting them is tantamount to Sanders rejecting the entire DNC.

The DNC did not support that and never would. You're right though, the rally isn't representative of the DNC--Seattle hardcore liberals are less likely to endorse the use of force than the average democrat.

Except they did.
http://mashable.com...
http://www.msnbc.com...

The first article did not prove what you're saying--it said that Bernie talks about BLM more now. The second article didn't even mention him. Did you even read them?

Bernie had a chance to stand up for his followers and he didn't. That's what it comes down to.
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10/26/2015 7:42:16 PM
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Thett, I know I'm not going to convince you to support the only Democratic candidate who can help the country (mostly because of your bias against the Democrats), but even so. Feel free to keep writing Can't Stump the Trump all over because you'd certainly rather have a figure who stands up for America so hard that he gets it blown up by everyone else.

And I know you don't actually support Trump. You're too smart for that. I don't know which of the candidates you actually back, but let's not pretend some macho d!ck waving should have any place in politics.
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10/26/2015 7:43:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/26/2015 7:41:16 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:39:19 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:36:50 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:34:51 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:33:15 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:31:47 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:26:39 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:23:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think it was a smart and calculated decision on Sanders' part. Any Democratic candidate (Republicans could have chased them off and been fine) who shooed them off would have suffered severely for it in the polls/running. The DNC has passed a resolution supporting BLM. For Sanders to dismiss them would have detrimentally impacted him among liberals, and he really needs to court liberals if he can have any chance at overthrowing Hillary. Unfortunately, BLM holds major sway among liberals and Democrats.

If it was a calculated decision, it was a shitty calculation and speaks poorly on his ability to make good decisions under pressure. You say that to kick them off would've hurt him among liberals....a crowd of liberals screamed for them to get the f*ck off the stage. A crowd of liberals was attacked by them. I guarantee you that there was not a single person who saw that and thought "wow, great movie Bernie. I am impressed at your leadership abilities". At best for Bernie they just felt uncomfortable with the cognitive dissonance of supporting such a weak man to be their leader

Thett, dismissing them would have been a catastrophic decision for any Democrat to make.

That's contradicted by the mass of democrats screaming for them to get lost.

One rally =\= all liberals. I told you, the DNC has endorsed BLM. Rejecting them is tantamount to Sanders rejecting the entire DNC.

The DNC did not support that and never would. You're right though, the rally isn't representative of the DNC--Seattle hardcore liberals are less likely to endorse the use of force than the average democrat.

Except they did.
http://mashable.com...
http://www.msnbc.com...

The first article did not prove what you're saying--it said that Bernie talks about BLM more now. The second article didn't even mention him. Did you even read them?

The point was that the DNC endorsed BLM. You said they didn't. I disproved you.

Bernie had a chance to stand up for his followers and he didn't. That's what it comes down to.
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10/26/2015 7:45:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/26/2015 7:43:01 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:41:16 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:39:19 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:36:50 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:34:51 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:33:15 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:31:47 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:26:39 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/26/2015 7:23:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think it was a smart and calculated decision on Sanders' part. Any Democratic candidate (Republicans could have chased them off and been fine) who shooed them off would have suffered severely for it in the polls/running. The DNC has passed a resolution supporting BLM. For Sanders to dismiss them would have detrimentally impacted him among liberals, and he really needs to court liberals if he can have any chance at overthrowing Hillary. Unfortunately, BLM holds major sway among liberals and Democrats.

If it was a calculated decision, it was a shitty calculation and speaks poorly on his ability to make good decisions under pressure. You say that to kick them off would've hurt him among liberals....a crowd of liberals screamed for them to get the f*ck off the stage. A crowd of liberals was attacked by them. I guarantee you that there was not a single person who saw that and thought "wow, great movie Bernie. I am impressed at your leadership abilities". At best for Bernie they just felt uncomfortable with the cognitive dissonance of supporting such a weak man to be their leader

Thett, dismissing them would have been a catastrophic decision for any Democrat to make.

That's contradicted by the mass of democrats screaming for them to get lost.

One rally =\= all liberals. I told you, the DNC has endorsed BLM. Rejecting them is tantamount to Sanders rejecting the entire DNC.

The DNC did not support that and never would. You're right though, the rally isn't representative of the DNC--Seattle hardcore liberals are less likely to endorse the use of force than the average democrat.

Except they did.
http://mashable.com...
http://www.msnbc.com...

The first article did not prove what you're saying--it said that Bernie talks about BLM more now. The second article didn't even mention him. Did you even read them?

The point was that the DNC endorsed BLM. You said they didn't. I disproved you.

I thought you were responding to my post about the naivety of thinking BLM liked Sanders more after he submitted to them. The DNC endorsed the movement, not that incident. Surely it should've been obvious from context that the "it" in my sentence referred to the incident, not the movement itself


Bernie had a chance to stand up for his followers and he didn't. That's what it comes down to.
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10/26/2015 7:46:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/26/2015 7:42:16 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Thett, I know I'm not going to convince you to support the only Democratic candidate who can help the country (mostly because of your bias against the Democrats), but even so. Feel free to keep writing Can't Stump the Trump all over because you'd certainly rather have a figure who stands up for America so hard that he gets it blown up by everyone else.

And I know you don't actually support Trump. You're too smart for that. I don't know which of the candidates you actually back, but let's not pretend some macho d!ck waving should have any place in politics.

Actually, I can completely say that I would much rather have a muscular, manly president who snatches the mic back, gives a belly laugh, and has his security kick them off the stage than one who submits to them. Say what you will about Trump, but it's refreshing to see a man in politics actually act like a man for once
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: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
: thett was right