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10/28/2015 8:38:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Hillary now has her highest polling average since July 28th. Sanders is rising too, but at a much less steep rate, and is relatively steady in the mid-20% range. Currently, Hillary has 55.4% to Sanders's 26.4% to O'Malley's 1.6%.

This comes off of her solid debate performance, great Benghazi performance, and a variety of efforts by her staffers to show her warmer side.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...

Thoughts on these developments?
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10/28/2015 9:06:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Yea, this is debate and Benghazi. She has had a good month. I don't see it as overly troubling to me.
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10/28/2015 9:32:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 8:38:23 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hillary now has her highest polling average since July 28th. Sanders is rising too, but at a much less steep rate, and is relatively steady in the mid-20% range. Currently, Hillary has 55.4% to Sanders's 26.4% to O'Malley's 1.6%.

This comes off of her solid debate performance, great Benghazi performance, and a variety of efforts by her staffers to show her warmer side.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...

Thoughts on these developments?

Well, that is terrible news.
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10/28/2015 9:32:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 9:32:21 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/28/2015 8:38:23 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hillary now has her highest polling average since July 28th. Sanders is rising too, but at a much less steep rate, and is relatively steady in the mid-20% range. Currently, Hillary has 55.4% to Sanders's 26.4% to O'Malley's 1.6%.

This comes off of her solid debate performance, great Benghazi performance, and a variety of efforts by her staffers to show her warmer side.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...

Thoughts on these developments?

Well, that is terrible news.

Why?
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10/28/2015 10:16:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 9:32:45 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 9:32:21 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/28/2015 8:38:23 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hillary now has her highest polling average since July 28th. Sanders is rising too, but at a much less steep rate, and is relatively steady in the mid-20% range. Currently, Hillary has 55.4% to Sanders's 26.4% to O'Malley's 1.6%.

This comes off of her solid debate performance, great Benghazi performance, and a variety of efforts by her staffers to show her warmer side.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...

Thoughts on these developments?

Well, that is terrible news.

Why?

I do not like Hillary Clinton.
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10/28/2015 10:18:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 10:16:23 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/28/2015 9:32:45 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 9:32:21 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/28/2015 8:38:23 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hillary now has her highest polling average since July 28th. Sanders is rising too, but at a much less steep rate, and is relatively steady in the mid-20% range. Currently, Hillary has 55.4% to Sanders's 26.4% to O'Malley's 1.6%.

This comes off of her solid debate performance, great Benghazi performance, and a variety of efforts by her staffers to show her warmer side.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...

Thoughts on these developments?

Well, that is terrible news.

Why?

I do not like Hillary Clinton.

Don't need to like her to realize she's probably the most competent option.
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10/28/2015 10:21:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 10:18:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:16:23 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/28/2015 9:32:45 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 9:32:21 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/28/2015 8:38:23 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hillary now has her highest polling average since July 28th. Sanders is rising too, but at a much less steep rate, and is relatively steady in the mid-20% range. Currently, Hillary has 55.4% to Sanders's 26.4% to O'Malley's 1.6%.

This comes off of her solid debate performance, great Benghazi performance, and a variety of efforts by her staffers to show her warmer side.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...

Thoughts on these developments?

Well, that is terrible news.

Why?

I do not like Hillary Clinton.

Don't need to like her to realize she's probably the most competent option.

I'd disagree with that. I think Clinton is a liar, who will probably hide a whole lot of this from the American public. People seem to forget, she used to be a Republican, and her war hawk mentality still lingers. She screwed up in Benghazi, she voted for the Iraq War, and has flipped flopped on a whole lot of issues. For me, a huge issue in the campaign is how the candidates will deal with the issue in the middle-east. Clinton's strategy is very similar to Obama's, so in other words terrible. I believe we need to leave the middle-east completely, and practice a sort of Isolationist policy there, though I would support military intervention in other countries. Sanders policy seems better in my opinion. What do you think?
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10/28/2015 10:22:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 10:18:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:16:23 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/28/2015 9:32:45 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 9:32:21 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/28/2015 8:38:23 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hillary now has her highest polling average since July 28th. Sanders is rising too, but at a much less steep rate, and is relatively steady in the mid-20% range. Currently, Hillary has 55.4% to Sanders's 26.4% to O'Malley's 1.6%.

This comes off of her solid debate performance, great Benghazi performance, and a variety of efforts by her staffers to show her warmer side.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...

Thoughts on these developments?

Well, that is terrible news.

Why?

I do not like Hillary Clinton.

Don't need to like her to realize she's probably the most competent option.

She basically is a supporter of Crony Capitalism, who is the worst form of Capitalism. Sanders is the only one who seems to want to take a stand to the thugs in Wall Street.
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10/28/2015 10:24:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 10:22:31 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
She basically is a supporter of Crony Capitalism, who is the worst form of Capitalism. Sanders is the only one who seems to want to take a stand to the thugs in Wall Street.

Sanders will be totally unable to do that.
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10/28/2015 10:25:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Bsh, I plan to do another serious political thread soon (I've done a bunch recently, yay!) and I'd love your thoughts on it when I do. It's something similar to this.
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10/28/2015 10:25:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 10:24:54 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:22:31 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
She basically is a supporter of Crony Capitalism, who is the worst form of Capitalism. Sanders is the only one who seems to want to take a stand to the thugs in Wall Street.

Sanders will be totally unable to do that.

Why do you think so?
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10/28/2015 10:28:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 10:21:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:18:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:16:23 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/28/2015 9:32:45 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 9:32:21 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/28/2015 8:38:23 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Hillary now has her highest polling average since July 28th. Sanders is rising too, but at a much less steep rate, and is relatively steady in the mid-20% range. Currently, Hillary has 55.4% to Sanders's 26.4% to O'Malley's 1.6%.

This comes off of her solid debate performance, great Benghazi performance, and a variety of efforts by her staffers to show her warmer side.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...

Thoughts on these developments?

Well, that is terrible news.

Why?

I do not like Hillary Clinton.

Don't need to like her to realize she's probably the most competent option.

I'd disagree with that. I think Clinton is a liar, who will probably hide a whole lot of this from the American public.

Like what?

People seem to forget, she used to be a Republican, and her war hawk mentality still lingers.

She's not as Hawkish as most Republicans, and I think she realizes that the national mood is against more intervention.

She screwed up in Benghazi

No she didn't, as every investigation to date has agreed.

she voted for the Iraq War

And that was a mistake, but it doesn't outweigh her vast knowledge of issues and experience.

and has flipped flopped on a whole lot of issues.

Most politicians change their minds on issues, same with most people. Why is this a bad thing?

I believe we need to leave the middle-east completely, and practice a sort of Isolationist policy there, though I would support military intervention in other countries. Sanders policy seems better in my opinion. What do you think?

I think withdrawing from the middle east completely would be utterly foolish.
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10/28/2015 10:28:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 10:25:15 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:24:54 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:22:31 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
She basically is a supporter of Crony Capitalism, who is the worst form of Capitalism. Sanders is the only one who seems to want to take a stand to the thugs in Wall Street.

Sanders will be totally unable to do that.

Why do you think so?

The House will remain solidly Republican, and so Bernie will fail to pass any meaningful regulations on that issue.
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10/28/2015 10:29:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 10:24:54 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:22:31 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
She basically is a supporter of Crony Capitalism, who is the worst form of Capitalism. Sanders is the only one who seems to want to take a stand to the thugs in Wall Street.

Sanders will be totally unable to do that.

That is very jaded.
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10/28/2015 10:29:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 10:29:14 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:24:54 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:22:31 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
She basically is a supporter of Crony Capitalism, who is the worst form of Capitalism. Sanders is the only one who seems to want to take a stand to the thugs in Wall Street.

Sanders will be totally unable to do that.

That is very jaded.

Do believe there is any reason not to be jaded about the House GOP?
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10/28/2015 10:31:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 10:29:54 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:29:14 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:24:54 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:22:31 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
She basically is a supporter of Crony Capitalism, who is the worst form of Capitalism. Sanders is the only one who seems to want to take a stand to the thugs in Wall Street.

Sanders will be totally unable to do that.

That is very jaded.

Do believe there is any reason not to be jaded about the House GOP?

Not willing to give in just because its tough. "Well, Clinton won't try, so it's not like she failed or anything". Does that sound right?
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10/28/2015 10:32:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 10:28:42 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:25:15 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:24:54 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:22:31 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
She basically is a supporter of Crony Capitalism, who is the worst form of Capitalism. Sanders is the only one who seems to want to take a stand to the thugs in Wall Street.

Sanders will be totally unable to do that.

Why do you think so?

The House will remain solidly Republican, and so Bernie will fail to pass any meaningful regulations on that issue.

What? Do you think they have a more favorable view of Clinton?
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10/28/2015 10:37:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 10:31:33 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:29:54 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:29:14 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:24:54 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:22:31 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
She basically is a supporter of Crony Capitalism, who is the worst form of Capitalism. Sanders is the only one who seems to want to take a stand to the thugs in Wall Street.

Sanders will be totally unable to do that.

That is very jaded.

Do believe there is any reason not to be jaded about the House GOP?

Not willing to give in just because its tough. "Well, Clinton won't try, so it's not like she failed or anything". Does that sound right?

I think Clinton is going to be more willing to compromise than Sanders, and I think she will be able to more effectively work the system to her advantage.
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10/28/2015 10:43:28 PM
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I think Clinton is going to be more willing to compromise than Sanders, and I think she will be able to more effectively work the system to her advantage.

I can't say that this is necessarily true. There is a lot of motivation from the right to shut-down anything Clinton starts.

If (when) we end-up with President Clinton, I know we will get a very competent leader. What I will not expect is any movement on any progressive/liberal agenda items.
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10/28/2015 10:46:13 PM
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At 10/28/2015 10:43:28 PM, TBR wrote:
I think Clinton is going to be more willing to compromise than Sanders, and I think she will be able to more effectively work the system to her advantage.

I can't say that this is necessarily true. There is a lot of motivation from the right to shut-down anything Clinton starts.

Oh, that is there for Bernie too, and were he the nominee, it would emerge just as strongly if not more so (after the socialist ads roll out). The only reason you don't sense that feeling now is that the GOP doesn't think Sanders will win the nomination.
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10/28/2015 10:50:33 PM
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Oh, that is there for Bernie too, and were he the nominee, it would emerge just as strongly if not more so (after the socialist ads roll out). The only reason you don't sense that feeling now is that the GOP doesn't think Sanders will win the nomination.

You are mixing politics with election politicking. Clinton's advantage is her electability, her negatives, for me, is her politics and the abject hate from the right.

A president Clinton has the same bullseye on her back she has always had. Even if she were to brush an issue I care about, it would only work to make it LESS possible to pass.
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10/28/2015 10:52:33 PM
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At 10/28/2015 10:50:33 PM, TBR wrote:
Oh, that is there for Bernie too, and were he the nominee, it would emerge just as strongly if not more so (after the socialist ads roll out). The only reason you don't sense that feeling now is that the GOP doesn't think Sanders will win the nomination.

You are mixing politics with election politicking. Clinton's advantage is her electability, her negatives, for me, is her politics and the abject hate from the right.

I think it is mistaken to suggest that Bernie won't be reviled by the right.
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10/28/2015 10:56:21 PM
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Very troubleing for me due to not liking her at all, for me she is way to extreme. So yeah troubling news. Though I think she will still not win.
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10/28/2015 10:59:04 PM
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At 10/28/2015 10:52:33 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:50:33 PM, TBR wrote:
Oh, that is there for Bernie too, and were he the nominee, it would emerge just as strongly if not more so (after the socialist ads roll out). The only reason you don't sense that feeling now is that the GOP doesn't think Sanders will win the nomination.

You are mixing politics with election politicking. Clinton's advantage is her electability, her negatives, for me, is her politics and the abject hate from the right.

I think it is mistaken to suggest that Bernie won't be reviled by the right.

Sanders has not been nearly as divisive. The Republicans are on a historic "NO" platform, and that will not change for President Sanders, but Clinton is (without exaggeration) enemy number one.
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10/28/2015 10:59:58 PM
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At 10/28/2015 10:56:21 PM, stargate wrote:
Very troubleing for me due to not liking her at all, for me she is way to extreme. So yeah troubling news. Though I think she will still not win.

You think Sanders is less extreme?
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10/28/2015 11:01:38 PM
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At 10/28/2015 10:59:58 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:56:21 PM, stargate wrote:
Very troubleing for me due to not liking her at all, for me she is way to extreme. So yeah troubling news. Though I think she will still not win.

You think Sanders is less extreme?

Well yes, at least on more thing that I think are more important.
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10/28/2015 11:02:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 11:01:38 PM, stargate wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:59:58 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:56:21 PM, stargate wrote:
Very troubleing for me due to not liking her at all, for me she is way to extreme. So yeah troubling news. Though I think she will still not win.

You think Sanders is less extreme?

Well yes, at least on more thing that I think are more important.

Interesting...
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10/28/2015 11:07:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 11:02:48 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/28/2015 11:01:38 PM, stargate wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:59:58 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:56:21 PM, stargate wrote:
Very troubleing for me due to not liking her at all, for me she is way to extreme. So yeah troubling news. Though I think she will still not win.

You think Sanders is less extreme?

Well yes, at least on more thing that I think are more important.

Interesting...

Well that and I trust him more, though if she dose become the democrat nomination the republicans could use it against her. So there are two sildes of a coin. But I still do not want to take a chance of her being president.
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10/28/2015 11:21:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 10:59:04 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:52:33 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 10/28/2015 10:50:33 PM, TBR wrote:
Oh, that is there for Bernie too, and were he the nominee, it would emerge just as strongly if not more so (after the socialist ads roll out). The only reason you don't sense that feeling now is that the GOP doesn't think Sanders will win the nomination.

You are mixing politics with election politicking. Clinton's advantage is her electability, her negatives, for me, is her politics and the abject hate from the right.

I think it is mistaken to suggest that Bernie won't be reviled by the right.

Sanders has not been nearly as divisive. The Republicans are on a historic "NO" platform, and that will not change for President Sanders, but Clinton is (without exaggeration) enemy number one.

The ONLY reason she is enemy number 1 right now is because people think she'll win the Presidency. The GOP has her at the top of their hitlist to stop that. But, if Sanders becomes the nominee, then he becomes the biggest threat, and the shade will be thrown on him instead.
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