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comoncents
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9/24/2010 3:56:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Government regulations do not see like the worst thing?

Why is it the worst thing?

Is loose regulations better?

Is strict regulation better?

If you are for NO regulation, please tell us why.
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9/24/2010 4:03:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/24/2010 3:56:42 PM, comoncents wrote:
Government regulations do not see like the worst thing?

Why is it the worst thing?

Is loose regulations better?

Is strict regulation better?


If you are for NO regulation, please tell us why.

I have been on both sides of the spectrum so I can say that less regulation is indeed better. Minimum wage laws actually contribute to unemployment as businesses can't afford to hire as many people then.
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9/24/2010 4:13:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/24/2010 4:03:45 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/24/2010 3:56:42 PM, comoncents wrote:
Government regulations do not see like the worst thing?

Why is it the worst thing?

Is loose regulations better?

Is strict regulation better?


If you are for NO regulation, please tell us why.

I have been on both sides of the spectrum so I can say that less regulation is indeed better. Minimum wage laws actually contribute to unemployment as businesses can't afford to hire as many people then.

But history shows that regulations are needed, no?
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9/24/2010 4:16:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/24/2010 4:13:30 PM, comoncents wrote:

But history shows that regulations are needed, no?

History also shows that regulations harm the economy. Spain has an 18% unemployment compared to South Korea which has a 4% unemployment.
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9/24/2010 4:21:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/24/2010 4:16:34 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/24/2010 4:13:30 PM, comoncents wrote:

But history shows that regulations are needed, no?

History also shows that regulations harm the economy. Spain has an 18% unemployment compared to South Korea which has a 4% unemployment.

I know.
Regulations helped stop women abuse at work, child labor (where kids lost limbs, and died), 12 hour work days, fire hazards in the work place, low wages, etc...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
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9/24/2010 4:26:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/24/2010 4:21:09 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 9/24/2010 4:16:34 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/24/2010 4:13:30 PM, comoncents wrote:

But history shows that regulations are needed, no?

History also shows that regulations harm the economy. Spain has an 18% unemployment compared to South Korea which has a 4% unemployment.

I know.
Regulations helped stop women abuse at work, child labor (where kids lost limbs, and died), 12 hour work days, fire hazards in the work place, low wages, etc...
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Which is why unions exist. I do support the right of unions to exist. However, the government should stay out of their affairs.
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9/24/2010 9:14:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/24/2010 4:21:09 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 9/24/2010 4:16:34 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/24/2010 4:13:30 PM, comoncents wrote:

But history shows that regulations are needed, no?

History also shows that regulations harm the economy. Spain has an 18% unemployment compared to South Korea which has a 4% unemployment.

I know.
Regulations helped stop women abuse at work, child labor (where kids lost limbs, and died), 12 hour work days, fire hazards in the work place, low wages, etc...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
Nothing to do with regulations. It was a horrible accident that without government would have greatly embarrassed the company anyway. In fact, the company would have been sued into bankruptcy for all the deaths it caused through its negligence. Actually, locking the doors could get you up to first degree manslaugter. Although law would be a bit different in anarchy.
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9/24/2010 9:18:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/24/2010 4:21:09 PM, comoncents wrote:
Regulations helped stop women abuse at work, child labor (where kids lost limbs, and died), 12 hour work days, fire hazards in the work place, low wages, etc...

All false.
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9/24/2010 11:36:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/24/2010 4:03:45 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/24/2010 3:56:42 PM, comoncents wrote:
Government regulations do not see like the worst thing?

Why is it the worst thing?

Is loose regulations better?

Is strict regulation better?


If you are for NO regulation, please tell us why.

I have been on both sides of the spectrum so I can say that less regulation is indeed better. Minimum wage laws actually contribute to unemployment as businesses can't afford to hire as many people then.

The U.S. has still had excellent (low) unemployment rates comparatively ad historically. Minimum wage laws allow us to provide a minimum standard of living. Welfare allows us to take care of the rest while they seek employment.
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9/24/2010 11:57:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/24/2010 4:03:45 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/24/2010 3:56:42 PM, comoncents wrote:
Government regulations do not see like the worst thing?

Why is it the worst thing?

Is loose regulations better?

Is strict regulation better?


If you are for NO regulation, please tell us why.

I have been on both sides of the spectrum so I can say that less regulation is indeed better. Minimum wage laws actually contribute to unemployment as businesses can't afford to hire as many people then.

Aren't you an authoritarian socialist... I lose track!
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9/25/2010 12:02:32 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/24/2010 11:57:23 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 9/24/2010 4:03:45 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/24/2010 3:56:42 PM, comoncents wrote:
Government regulations do not see like the worst thing?

Why is it the worst thing?

Is loose regulations better?

Is strict regulation better?


If you are for NO regulation, please tell us why.

I have been on both sides of the spectrum so I can say that less regulation is indeed better. Minimum wage laws actually contribute to unemployment as businesses can't afford to hire as many people then.

Aren't you an authoritarian socialist... I lose track!

Nope. I believe in a free market now.
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9/25/2010 12:04:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 12:02:32 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/24/2010 11:57:23 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 9/24/2010 4:03:45 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/24/2010 3:56:42 PM, comoncents wrote:
Government regulations do not see like the worst thing?

Why is it the worst thing?

Is loose regulations better?

Is strict regulation better?


If you are for NO regulation, please tell us why.

I have been on both sides of the spectrum so I can say that less regulation is indeed better. Minimum wage laws actually contribute to unemployment as businesses can't afford to hire as many people then.

Aren't you an authoritarian socialist... I lose track!

Nope. I believe in a free market now.

She's a Libertarian Zoroastrian now. (She's just in denial...:P)
I'm not back. This idiot just upset me which made me stop lurking.
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9/25/2010 12:08:20 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 12:04:08 AM, annhasle wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:02:32 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/24/2010 11:57:23 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:

Aren't you an authoritarian socialist... I lose track!

Nope. I believe in a free market now.

She's a Libertarian Zoroastrian now. (She's just in denial...:P)

Lol. xD
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9/25/2010 12:29:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 12:04:08 AM, annhasle wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:02:32 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/24/2010 11:57:23 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 9/24/2010 4:03:45 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/24/2010 3:56:42 PM, comoncents wrote:
Government regulations do not see like the worst thing?

Why is it the worst thing?

Is loose regulations better?

Is strict regulation better?


If you are for NO regulation, please tell us why.

I have been on both sides of the spectrum so I can say that less regulation is indeed better. Minimum wage laws actually contribute to unemployment as businesses can't afford to hire as many people then.

Aren't you an authoritarian socialist... I lose track!

Nope. I believe in a free market now.

She's a Libertarian Zoroastrian now. (She's just in denial...:P)
shes also an atheist
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9/25/2010 12:32:05 AM
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At 9/25/2010 12:29:01 AM, juvanya wrote:

shes also an atheist

No I'm not. F*ck off with trying to make me an atheist. It's a stupid illogical position just like extreme theism is.
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9/25/2010 12:34:10 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 12:32:05 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:29:01 AM, juvanya wrote:

shes also an atheist

No I'm not. F*ck off with trying to make me an atheist. It's a stupid illogical position just like extreme theism is.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Stupid and illogical?? I disagree that atheists are just as bad as religious extremists! Maybe extreme anti-theists are... Yikes.
I'm not back. This idiot just upset me which made me stop lurking.
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9/25/2010 12:35:43 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 12:34:10 AM, annhasle wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:32:05 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:29:01 AM, juvanya wrote:

shes also an atheist

No I'm not. F*ck off with trying to make me an atheist. It's a stupid illogical position just like extreme theism is.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Stupid and illogical?? I disagree that atheists are just as bad as religious extremists! Maybe extreme anti-theists are... Yikes.

It is. it's making absurd claims that we know nothing about.
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9/25/2010 12:40:11 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 12:35:43 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:34:10 AM, annhasle wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:32:05 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:29:01 AM, juvanya wrote:

shes also an atheist

No I'm not. F*ck off with trying to make me an atheist. It's a stupid illogical position just like extreme theism is.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Stupid and illogical?? I disagree that atheists are just as bad as religious extremists! Maybe extreme anti-theists are... Yikes.

It is. it's making absurd claims that we know nothing about.

How are atheists making absurd claims? I believe you're confusing us with THEISTS. We claim that the existence of a deity is implausible and/or very unlikely and we live under the assumption one does not exist. We prefer proof of our existence and turn towards science about 80% of the time. How is any of that absurd?

/derailing thread POST RESPONSE IN "ATHEIST HYPOCRISY" IN THE RELIGION FORUM IF YOU CHOOSE TO RESPOND.
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9/25/2010 12:45:09 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/24/2010 3:56:42 PM, comoncents wrote:
Government regulations do not see like the worst thing?

Why is it the worst thing?

I could think of worse things, but of course it depends on the regulation(s).

Is loose regulations better?

Sure...

Is strict regulation better?

NO.

If you are for NO regulation, please tell us why.

INB4 the anarchists Sieben recruited from mises.org.

They think the government is an "aggressive monopoly" meaning it shouldn't have any regulation abilities at all (of course the emergence of a similar system would probably inevitably lead to the same system we have now... which they're okay with. Non-sensical? Iknowrite).
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9/25/2010 12:47:07 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 12:02:32 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Nope. I believe in a free market now.

Lol, and tomorrow you'll believe something else.

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9/25/2010 12:48:05 AM
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At 9/25/2010 12:36:38 AM, TPF wrote:
No regulations, please.

But if I wanted an abortion, you'd want to regulate that...?
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9/25/2010 12:48:51 AM
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At 9/25/2010 12:48:05 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:36:38 AM, TPF wrote:
No regulations, please.

But if I wanted an abortion, you'd want to regulate that...?

I personally would. Many libertarians would not. We are split by the pro-life pro-choice debate like everybody else.
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9/25/2010 12:48:54 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 12:32:05 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:29:01 AM, juvanya wrote:

shes also an atheist

No I'm not. F*ck off with trying to make me an atheist. It's a stupid illogical position just like extreme theism is.

Whoa! Let's see your logic proof for theism then :)
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9/25/2010 12:49:09 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 12:47:07 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:02:32 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Nope. I believe in a free market now.

Lol, and tomorrow you'll believe something else.

"In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." -- Thomas Jefferson

No, I'm not like Freedo. Maybe I am with religious views, but not with my political views.
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9/25/2010 12:50:12 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 12:48:54 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:32:05 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:29:01 AM, juvanya wrote:

shes also an atheist

No I'm not. F*ck off with trying to make me an atheist. It's a stupid illogical position just like extreme theism is.

Whoa! Let's see your logic proof for theism then :)

I'll post my response to Ann here so you can see it too.

They are making absurd claims. Science proves nothing about the existence or non-existence of God. It just explains how the world around us works. Besides, there must be a reason that things work the way they do. Anyway, the existence of God is something we can't really speculate on as it's something that we as humans know nothing about(and probably never will). As a result, I consider myself an agnostic leaning towards theism.
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9/25/2010 12:51:02 AM
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At 9/25/2010 12:49:09 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Maybe I am with religious views, but not with my political views.

How is authoritarian rule compatible with the free market?
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9/25/2010 12:53:25 AM
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At 9/25/2010 12:50:12 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
They are making absurd claims.

Why is "there is probably no god" absurd but "there is probably a god" not absurd?

Science proves nothing about the existence or non-existence of God. It just explains how the world around us works.

Yeah, so? The only relevance of science in the argument for or against god is using science to disprove certain claims made about god or by theists.

Besides, there must be a reason that things work the way they do.

And that reason must be god because...? And your proof is...?

Anyway, the existence of God is something we can't really speculate on as it's something that we as humans know nothing about(and probably never will).

This is merely your opinion.

As a result, I consider myself an agnostic leaning towards theism.

An agnostic theist, that's fair :) Better than a gnostic theist at least! :)
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9/25/2010 12:53:34 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 12:51:02 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:49:09 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Maybe I am with religious views, but not with my political views.

How is authoritarian rule compatible with the free market?

It's perfectly compatible. There can be a free market while still having strict laws on social matters. Nobody said I was totalitarian. Authoritarianism and totalitarianism are two different things.
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9/25/2010 12:58:45 AM
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At 9/25/2010 12:53:34 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
It's perfectly compatible. There can be a free market while still having strict laws on social matters.

What would be the point of that? Also -

A free market is a market in which there is no economic intervention and regulation by the state, except to enforce private contracts and the ownership of property.
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