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11/3/2015 7:42:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Let's be clear, the Republicans targeted CNBC and won. CNBC was widely declared the loser and the narrative was that Republicans have declined to tear eachother down and instead unite to take down corrupt media.

Who there couldn't handle CNBC? Ted, Rubio, Trump, Christie, & Huckabee all handled them very well and showed no signs of weakness.

Obama is the one who wouldn't be able to handle a Cruz Missile.
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11/3/2015 3:29:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/3/2015 5:03:57 AM, YYW wrote:


You sure as hell can't handle China and Russia.

It was not the best debate, but by all the crying you would think they never asked a question. I have had enough of the big tough conservatives that blame everything under the sun for national losses besides there terrible policy and terrible candidates.
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11/3/2015 4:12:10 PM
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Partisan "gotcha" bullpoop. One's ability to deal with China and Russia has little to do with one's reaction to being lambasted by the media, which is supposed to be impartial. A President doesn't generally give a bleep that the Russians are saying nasty things about them. Their own country turning against them is another matter.
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11/3/2015 4:15:50 PM
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And let's be fair: it's not like any of these GOP people would handle foreign threats worse than Obama has been doing.
I mean, recently I've been trying to give Obama the benefit of the doubt and not automatically assume that every little foreign policy decision he makes is idiotic. I decided to actually look at what exactly he's doing. And good gravy, man! The man's just plain impotent!
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11/3/2015 4:30:35 PM
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The GOP candidates all painted themselves into a corner by adopting the 'say the wildest things possible to get higher poll numbers' strategy just to stay competitive in the polls, its only natural that in a debate some of the candidates would be called out on for saying the things they have said... I thought CNBC did fine in terms of moderation, but until the GOP field gets watered down to 6 candidates or so, I don't see any way the GOP debates could ever be focused more on policy than on quotes and 'gotcha' questions
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11/3/2015 4:53:02 PM
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OK. Here are the first 6 questions.

1) This series of debates is essentially a job interview with the American people. And in any job interview, you know this: you get asked, "what's your biggest weakness?"

2) Mr. Trump, you've done very well in this campaign so far by promising to build a wall and make another country pay for it.
TRUMP: Right.
HARWOOD: Send 11 million people out of the country. Cut taxes $10 trillion without increasing the deficit.
TRUMP: Right.
HARWOOD: And make Americans better off because your greatness would replace the stupidity and incompetence of others.
TRUMP: That's right.
HARWOOD: Let's be honest.
Is this a comic book version of a presidential campaign?

3) You have a flat tax plan of 10 percent flat taxes, and -- I've looked at it -- and this is something that is very appealing to a lot of voters, but I've had a really tough time trying to make the math work on this.
If you were to took a 10 percent tax, with the numbers right now in total personal income, you're gonna come in with bring in $1.5 trillion. That is less than half of what we bring in right now. And by the way, it's gonna leave us in a $2 trillion hole.
So what analysis got you to the point where you think this will work?

4) HARWOOD: Well, let's just get more pointed about it. You said yesterday that you were hearing proposals that were just crazy from your colleagues.
Who were you talking about?

5) QUINTANILLA: You want to bring 70,000 pages to three?

6) This one is for Senator Rubio. You've been a young man in a hurry ever since you won your first election in your 20s. You've had a big accomplishment in the Senate, an immigration bill providing a path to citizenship the conservatives in your party hate, and even you don't support anymore. Now, you're skipping more votes than any senator to run for president. Why not slow down, get a few more things done first or least finish what you start?

Exactly what are you all crying about?

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find me these incredibly partisan questions.
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11/3/2015 5:20:50 PM
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QUINTANILLA: So when the Sun-Sentinel says Rubio should resign, not rip us off, when they say Floridians sent you to Washington to do a job, when they say you act like you hate your job, do you?

HARWOOD: No, we're moving to Governor Bush. Governor, the fact that you're at the fifth lectern tonight shows how far your stock has fallen in this race, despite the big investment your donors have made.
HARWOOD: You noted recently, after slashing your payroll, that you had better things to do than sit around and be demonized by other people. I wanted to ask you --
BUSH: No, no. What I said was I don't believe that I would be president of the United States and have the same dysfunction that exists in Washington, D.C. now.
HARWOOD: OK.
BUSH: Don't vote for me if you want to keep the gridlock in Washington, D.C.
HARWOOD: Got it.
BUSH: But if you want someone who has a proven, effective leadership, that was a governor of a state, that transformed the culture there, elect me so I can fight for the American people and change the culture in Washington, D.C.
HARWOOD: But it's a -- OK. It's a -- it's a question about why you're having difficulty. I want to ask you in this context.
Ben Bernanke, who was appointed Fed chairman by your brother, recently wrote a book in which he said he no longer considers himself a Republican because the Republican Party has given in to know- nothingism. Is that why you're having a difficult time in this race?

QUICK: Ms. Fiorina, I -- I'd like to ask you a question. You are running for president of the United States because of your record running Hewlett-Packard. But the stock market is usually a fair indicator of the performance of a CEO, and the market was not kind to you.
Someone who invested a dollar in your company the day you took office had lost half of the dollar by the day you left. Obviously, you've talked in the past about what a difficult time it was for technology companies, but anybody who was following the market knows that your stock was a much worse performer, if you looked at your competitors, if you looked at the overall market.
I just wonder, in terms of all of that -- you know, we look back, your board fired you. I just wondered why you think we should hire you now.
QUICK: Mrs. Fiorina, it's interesting that you bring up Mr. Perkins, because...
(APPLAUSE) ...he said a lot of very questionable things. Last year, in an interview, he said that he thinks wealthy people should get more votes than poor people.
I think his quote was that, "if you pay zero dollars in taxes, you should get zero votes. If you pay a million dollars, you should get a million votes." Is this the type of person you want defending you?

QUINTANILLA: Senator Cruz. Congressional Republicans, Democrats and the White House are about to strike a compromise that would raise the debt limit, prevent a government shutdown and calm financial markets that fear of -- another Washington-created crisis is on the way.
Does your opposition to it show that you're not the kind of problem-solver American voters want?

HARWOOD: Senator Paul, the budget deal crafted by Speaker Boehner and passed by the House today makes cuts in entitlement programs, Medicare and Social Security disability, which are the very programs conservatives say need cutting to shrink government and solve our country's long-term budget deficit. Do you oppose that budget deal because it doesn't cut those programs enough?

HARWOOD: Senator, if what you just said is true, why did Speaker Boehner craft this deal and why did Paul Ryan, who has a strong reputation for fiscal discipline, vote for it?

QUICK: Governor Christie, I'd like to (inaudible) a question next. Actually, I have a question for you (inaudible).
In your tell it like it is campaign, you've said a lot of tough things. You've said that we need to raise the retirement age for Social Security. You think that we need to cut benefits for people who make over $80,000 and eliminate them entirely for seniors who are making over $200,000.
Governor Huckabee, who is here on the stage, has said that you and others who think this way are trying to rob seniors of the benefits that they've earned. It raises the question: When it is acceptable to break a social compact?

QUICK: Mr. Trump, let's talk a little bit about bankruptcies. Your Atlantic City casinos filed for bankruptcy four times. In fact, Fitch, the ratings agency, even said that they were serial filers for all of this. You said that you did great with Atlantic City, and you did. But some of the individuals -- the bondholders, some of the contractors who worked for you, didn't fare so well.
Bankruptcy is a broken promise. Why should the voters believe the promises that you're telling them right now?

CRAMER: Dr. Carson, in recent weeks, a number of pharmaceutical companies has been accused of profiteering, for dramatically raising the prices of life-saving drugs. You have spent a lifetime in medicine.
Have these companies gone too far? Should the government be involved in controlling some of these price increases?

CRAMER: Governor Christie, there has been a lot of political rhetoric that some bank executives should have gone to jail for the 2008 financial crisis.
But General Motors paid more than $1 billion in fines and settlements for its ignition switch defect. One hundred and twenty- four people died as a result of these faulty switches. No one went to jail.
As a former prosecutor, do you believe the people responsible for the switch and the cover-up belong behind bars?

QUINTANILLA: Mrs. Fiorina, in 2010, while running for Senate in Tech Ridge (ph), California, you called an Internet sales tax a bad idea. Traditional brick and mortar stores obviously disagree. Now that the Internet shopping playing field has matured, what would be a fair plan to even that playing field?

QUICK: Senator Rubio, you yourself have said that you've had issues. You have a lack of bookkeeping skills. You accidentally inter-mingled campaign money with your personal money. You faced (ph) foreclosure on a second home that you bought. And just last year, you liquidated a $68,000 retirement fund. That's something that cost you thousands of dollars in taxes and penalties.
In terms of all of that, it raises the question whether you have the maturity and wisdom to lead this $17 trillion economy. What do you say?

HARWOOD: Governor John Kasich, you've called for abolishing the Export Import Bank, which provides subsidies to help American companies compete with overseas competitors. You call that corporate welfare.
One of the largest newspapers in your state wrote an editorial, said they found that strange, writing, that if that's corporate welfare, what does Kasich call the millions of dollars in financial incentives doled out to attract or retain jobs by his development effort -- jobs Ohio.
If subsidies are good enough for Ohio companies, why aren't they good enough for companies trying to compete overseas?

QUICK: Senator Cruz, working women in this country still earn just 77 percent of what men earn. And I know that you've said you've been very sympathetic to our cause. But you've also you said that the Democrats' moves to try and change this are the political show votes.
I just wonder what you would do as President to try and help in this cause?

QUINTANILLA: Dr. Carson, we know you as a physician, but we wanted to ask you about your involvement on some corporate boards, including Costco's. Last year, a marketing study called the warehouse retailer the number one gay-friendly brand in America, partly because of its domestic partner benefits.
Why would you serve on a company whose policies seem to run counter to your views on homosexuality?

HARWOOD: Senator Huckabee, I mean -- excuse me -- Senator Rubio, Wired magazine recently carried the heading, "Marco Rubio wants to be the tech industry's savior." It noted your support for dramatically increasing im
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11/3/2015 5:57:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/3/2015 5:03:57 AM, YYW wrote:


You sure as hell can't handle China and Russia.

John Harwood who could not hide his contempt for the candidates. This is billed as a debate regarding the economy. CNBC made itself into a joke. And many Liberal journalist and pundits are in agreement with the candidates that it was a less than fair stage.

As for Obama's comments...And as usual, he is in denial. Guess he forgot about the red line he drew and allowed Assad to cross...repeatedly. Guess he forgot how Putin has continued to challenge and embarrass him. And then there's Obama's pathetic inability to call Islamic terrorists what they are....or have the fortitude to actually take the fight to Isis. One of my personal favorites, making a nuclear deal with Iran that they are already violating...and handing them billions of dollars to further support terrorists who will kill Americans and our allies with Obama's blood money. Or how defensive he gets when the MSM dare to challenge him with tough questions. Or how about the fact that Obama doesn't even have enough balls to do an interview with any Fox News journalist. Yeah Obama...the world is shrinking in fear and the bad guys are all behaving.
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11/3/2015 7:41:32 PM
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At 11/3/2015 5:03:57 AM, YYW wrote:

You sure as hell can't handle China and Russia.

Must have read that off his teleprompter...
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11/3/2015 8:13:53 PM
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At 11/3/2015 7:41:32 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 11/3/2015 5:03:57 AM, YYW wrote:

You sure as hell can't handle China and Russia.

Must have read that off his teleprompter...

burn.
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11/3/2015 8:54:22 PM
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At 11/3/2015 5:19:31 AM, Insignifica wrote:
lol Obama is awesome.

Donald Trump is honestly the only one who even has the potential to be a "better" negotiator than Obama has been.

Really!?!?!? Donald Trump?
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11/3/2015 9:45:10 PM
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At 11/3/2015 8:13:53 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/3/2015 7:41:32 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 11/3/2015 5:03:57 AM, YYW wrote:

You sure as hell can't handle China and Russia.

Must have read that off his teleprompter...

burn.

Do you really think so? I don't understand this attack from the right.
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11/3/2015 10:51:41 PM
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At 11/3/2015 8:54:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 11/3/2015 5:19:31 AM, Insignifica wrote:
lol Obama is awesome.

Donald Trump is honestly the only one who even has the potential to be a "better" negotiator than Obama has been.

Really!?!?!? Donald Trump?

Compared to the other Republican candidates, yes.
Among the Democrats, Hillary Clinton would be a good negotiator too.
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11/4/2015 12:03:02 AM
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At 11/3/2015 10:51:41 PM, Insignifica wrote:
At 11/3/2015 8:54:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 11/3/2015 5:19:31 AM, Insignifica wrote:
lol Obama is awesome.

Donald Trump is honestly the only one who even has the potential to be a "better" negotiator than Obama has been.

Really!?!?!? Donald Trump?

Compared to the other Republican candidates, yes.
Among the Democrats, Hillary Clinton would be a good negotiator too.

Outside one golf course, he has never done international business.
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11/4/2015 12:13:17 AM
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At 11/3/2015 7:41:32 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 11/3/2015 5:03:57 AM, YYW wrote:

You sure as hell can't handle China and Russia.

Must have read that off his teleprompter...

ROFL is that the best you can do?
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11/4/2015 12:17:49 AM
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At 11/4/2015 12:03:02 AM, TBR wrote:
At 11/3/2015 10:51:41 PM, Insignifica wrote:
At 11/3/2015 8:54:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 11/3/2015 5:19:31 AM, Insignifica wrote:
lol Obama is awesome.

Donald Trump is honestly the only one who even has the potential to be a "better" negotiator than Obama has been.

Really!?!?!? Donald Trump?

Compared to the other Republican candidates, yes.
Among the Democrats, Hillary Clinton would be a good negotiator too.

Outside one golf course, he has never done international business.

True, Obama has the better golf game.
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11/4/2015 12:20:48 AM
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At 11/4/2015 12:03:02 AM, TBR wrote:
At 11/3/2015 10:51:41 PM, Insignifica wrote:
At 11/3/2015 8:54:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 11/3/2015 5:19:31 AM, Insignifica wrote:
lol Obama is awesome.

Donald Trump is honestly the only one who even has the potential to be a "better" negotiator than Obama has been.

Really!?!?!? Donald Trump?

Compared to the other Republican candidates, yes.
Among the Democrats, Hillary Clinton would be a good negotiator too.

Outside one golf course, he has never done international business.

Domestic business is business nonetheless.
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11/4/2015 12:21:37 AM
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At 11/3/2015 5:20:50 PM, TBR wrote:
QUICK: Senator Cruz, working women in this country still earn just 77 percent of what men earn.

Ugh that stat gives me cancer.
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11/4/2015 12:22:59 AM
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Domestic business is business nonetheless.

Meeting with municipal government to get zoning etc. Greasing the palms of mob or corrupt inspectors is not exactly what I need in a president.

Yea, the guy has been in real estate his entire life. Great for him. Its not like he was running HP or something.
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11/4/2015 5:04:06 PM
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At 11/4/2015 12:13:17 AM, YYW wrote:
At 11/3/2015 7:41:32 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 11/3/2015 5:03:57 AM, YYW wrote:

You sure as hell can't handle China and Russia.

Must have read that off his teleprompter...

ROFL is that the best you can do?

It is as meaningful as his quip.
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11/4/2015 9:27:59 PM
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At 11/3/2015 4:30:35 PM, imabench wrote:
The GOP candidates all painted themselves into a corner by adopting the 'say the wildest things possible to get higher poll numbers' strategy just to stay competitive in the polls, its only natural that in a debate some of the candidates would be called out on for saying the things they have said... I thought CNBC did fine in terms of moderation, but until the GOP field gets watered down to 6 candidates or so, I don't see any way the GOP debates could ever be focused more on policy than on quotes and 'gotcha' questions

No candidate has put themselves in a corner with their "wildest" remarks. There is nothing wild about stating Nazi would have had a tougher time if citizens were armed. There is nothing wild about remarking that a Muslim shouldn't be leading America. Remarking that Mexico isn't "sending their best and brightest" may be offensive, but its observable fact.

The candidates are just standing up to the media finally. The media will do their routine point-and-shriek, as we saw CNBC do in the debate, then they will bluff and bully, and then they will play their usual divide-and-conquer, but it is now readily apparent that if they're not shrieking, you're not winning.
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11/5/2015 4:08:05 AM
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At 11/4/2015 9:27:59 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
At 11/3/2015 4:30:35 PM, imabench wrote:
The GOP candidates all painted themselves into a corner by adopting the 'say the wildest things possible to get higher poll numbers' strategy just to stay competitive in the polls, its only natural that in a debate some of the candidates would be called out on for saying the things they have said... I thought CNBC did fine in terms of moderation, but until the GOP field gets watered down to 6 candidates or so, I don't see any way the GOP debates could ever be focused more on policy than on quotes and 'gotcha' questions

No candidate has put themselves in a corner with their "wildest" remarks. There is nothing wild about stating Nazi would have had a tougher time if citizens were armed.

Not even FRANCE could withstand the Nazi's and they had an actual army, navy, and air force. So it very much IS crazy to think that German citizens having an extra handgun or two lying around would have somehow thwarted the desires of Hitler and the Nazi's....

There is nothing wild about remarking that a Muslim shouldn't be leading America.

It is when the statement is based purely off of fear of Islam in itself in an attempt to appeal to the xenophobia in the voter base you are trying to woo....

Remarking that Mexico isn't "sending their best and brightest" may be offensive, but its observable fact.

NO country is sending us their best and brightest, so to single out only Mexico over it and do so tirelessly to the point that it becomes your slogan isn't a good strategy to pursue.

The candidates are just standing up to the media finally.

Its not the media's fault that GOP candidates make themselves look like idiots in the media.
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11/5/2015 1:09:05 PM
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At 11/5/2015 4:08:05 AM, imabench wrote:
At 11/4/2015 9:27:59 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
At 11/3/2015 4:30:35 PM, imabench wrote:
The GOP candidates all painted themselves into a corner by adopting the 'say the wildest things possible to get higher poll numbers' strategy just to stay competitive in the polls, its only natural that in a debate some of the candidates would be called out on for saying the things they have said... I thought CNBC did fine in terms of moderation, but until the GOP field gets watered down to 6 candidates or so, I don't see any way the GOP debates could ever be focused more on policy than on quotes and 'gotcha' questions

No candidate has put themselves in a corner with their "wildest" remarks. There is nothing wild about stating Nazi would have had a tougher time if citizens were armed.

Not even FRANCE could withstand the Nazi's and they had an actual army, navy, and air force. So it very much IS crazy to think that German citizens having an extra handgun or two lying around would have somehow thwarted the desires of Hitler and the Nazi's....

The point is that rebellion against tyranny and genocide is an absolute good. I know your camp despises this concept because you desire tyrannical government, so of course you don't want rebellion against it.


There is nothing wild about remarking that a Muslim shouldn't be leading America.

It is when the statement is based purely off of fear of Islam in itself in an attempt to appeal to the xenophobia in the voter base you are trying to woo....

I agree this one is stupid

Remarking that Mexico isn't "sending their best and brightest" may be offensive, but its observable fact.

NO country is sending us their best and brightest, so to single out only Mexico over it and do so tirelessly to the point that it becomes your slogan isn't a good strategy to pursue.

Not true, a lot of nations send us skilled laborers to fill the skills gap in our nation that isn't being filled by american workers, Mexico by and large sends unskilled labor.

The candidates are just standing up to the media finally.

Its not the media's fault that GOP candidates make themselves look like idiots in the media.

Sure
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11/5/2015 1:13:32 PM
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At 11/3/2015 5:03:57 AM, YYW wrote:


You sure as hell can't handle China and Russia.

Usually like you a lot as far as liberals go on this site, but while this might make for a good sound byte lets be honest, Obama's record on Russia has been laughable, his record on China has been mediocre at best. Also, he has complained about unfair treatment from the media multiple times.