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9/25/2010 9:34:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3, The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

5. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

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I got this email, what do you think?
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9/25/2010 9:46:21 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Considering the number of liberals is dwindling rapidly on DDO, I'll play devil's advocate in their defense :p

At 9/25/2010 9:34:08 AM, comoncents wrote:
These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.

Well, you can lol... it's just a matter of whether or not you should :p

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

Not necessarily. And there are all kinds of "work." Stock brokers, bank investors, etc. don't actually produce any good or services -- they simply manipulate money to make money. Not everybody who receives works (inheritance), and sometimes the most hardcore laborers are at the absolute bottom of the barrel so this won't do much to change their view.

3, The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

True. But I don't think liberals care, as this is obvious yet irrelevant to their cause.

4. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

This is not true. First, "half" is an exaggeration. I think the unemployment rate is something like 12% and that's not voluntarily (many were put out of work against their choosing). Second, that is so unlikely to happen because people still aspire to wealth. Nobody wants to just scrape by. If I can get welfare and afford maybe some food and MAYBE some rent, why would I choose not to work when working would allow me to afford that plus a car, a phone, a social life, etc? Plus, many countries are pretty economically liberal (See: Europe), and not only are they not in dire poverty (and many doing better than the U.S.), but their standard of living is way higher.

5. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

Some say if you give money to the poor or lower classes, they will pump that money back into the economy (consumerism) which in turn makes everyone richer, as opposed to the money sitting in a Swiss bank account somewhere or being used solely to pay for one individual's boat or house, etc.

How's that liberals? Did I do you justice? :|

Ps. These were nowhere near the 5 best sentences I'd ever read lol.
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9/25/2010 9:51:53 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 9:46:21 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Considering the number of liberals is dwindling rapidly on DDO, I'll play devil's advocate in their defense :p

At 9/25/2010 9:34:08 AM, comoncents wrote:
These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.

Well, you can lol... it's just a matter of whether or not you should :p

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

Not necessarily. And there are all kinds of "work." Stock brokers, bank investors, etc. don't actually produce any good or services -- they simply manipulate money to make money. Not everybody who receives works (inheritance), and sometimes the most hardcore laborers are at the absolute bottom of the barrel so this won't do much to change their view.

3, The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

True. But I don't think liberals care, as this is obvious yet irrelevant to their cause.

4. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

This is not true. First, "half" is an exaggeration. I think the unemployment rate is something like 12% and that's not voluntarily (many were put out of work against their choosing). Second, that is so unlikely to happen because people still aspire to wealth. Nobody wants to just scrape by. If I can get welfare and afford maybe some food and MAYBE some rent, why would I choose not to work when working would allow me to afford that plus a car, a phone, a social life, etc? Plus, many countries are pretty economically liberal (See: Europe), and not only are they not in dire poverty (and many doing better than the U.S.), but their standard of living is way higher.

5. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

Some say if you give money to the poor or lower classes, they will pump that money back into the economy (consumerism) which in turn makes everyone richer, as opposed to the money sitting in a Swiss bank account somewhere or being used solely to pay for one individual's boat or house, etc.

How's that liberals? Did I do you justice? :|

How can one do liberals justice? ;)

Ps. These were nowhere near the 5 best sentences I'd ever read lol.
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9/25/2010 9:52:31 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 9:46:21 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Considering the number of liberals is dwindling rapidly on DDO, I'll play devil's advocate in their defense :p


Why is this. This is not a trend in the real world, is it?


Ps. These were nowhere near the 5 best sentences I'd ever read lol.

Me neither; I just love that this email hit my system.
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9/25/2010 9:52:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 9:51:53 AM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
How can one do liberals justice? ;)

Lol that was good, sac.
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9/25/2010 9:59:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 9:52:31 AM, comoncents wrote:
At 9/25/2010 9:46:21 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Considering the number of liberals is dwindling rapidly on DDO, I'll play devil's advocate in their defense :p


Why is this. This is not a trend in the real world, is it?

I think it's a trend in the real world. Proof is that the Democrats are so worried and not doing as well politically as they were in 08. The economy's not doing much better, so of course people are going to blame the government and taxes. Plus, all of the talking heads on Fox and the Tea Party re-re's keep claiming that we're heading toward socialism so people are all alarmed and scared. This is not dissimilar to the cries of "Communist takeover!" a few decades ago which we can now look back on and laugh. In short, Obama doesn't want to eliminate competition (socialism) but regulate it. People in general (the masses) don't have a good grasp of politics to be able to understand all that's going on; they just know they're pissed off and the Democrats are the current scapegoats, just as the Republicans were a few years ago. Of course both are really to blame.

As far as DDO, Sieben felt the need to recruit his anarchist counterparts from mises.org so now every other poster is rambling about the merits of anarchy (which espouses a similar free market to libertarianism, and obviously the lack of government monopoly at all). Their strength in numbers also helps mold spongey teenage minds, like Panda's, who made the shift to a free market ideology. They even got Insert. Nuff said.
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9/25/2010 10:17:07 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 9:59:30 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Obama doesn't want to eliminate competition (socialism) but regulate it.

Like Teddy Roosevelt did?


As far as DDO, Sieben felt the need to recruit his anarchist counterparts from mises.org so now every other poster is rambling about the merits of anarchy (which espouses a similar free market to libertarianism, and obviously the lack of government monopoly at all).

But has no real answer for personal monopoly like Andrew Carnegie or John Pierpont Morgan.

Their strength in numbers also helps mold spongey teenage minds, like Panda's, who made the shift to a free market ideology. They even got Insert. Nuff said.

Your right. They have been recruiting. I will not even respond to Sieben craziness anymore. Some think that he is "brilliant", I think he is crazy, but whatever.
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9/25/2010 10:20:18 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 9:59:30 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Their strength in numbers also helps mold spongey teenage minds, like Panda's, who made the shift to a free market ideology.

Oh no you didn't.
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9/25/2010 10:30:17 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 9:59:30 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 9/25/2010 9:52:31 AM, comoncents wrote:
At 9/25/2010 9:46:21 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Considering the number of liberals is dwindling rapidly on DDO, I'll play devil's advocate in their defense :p


Why is this. This is not a trend in the real world, is it?

I think it's a trend in the real world. Proof is that the Democrats are so worried and not doing as well politically as they were in 08. The economy's not doing much better, so of course people are going to blame the government and taxes. Plus, all of the talking heads on Fox and the Tea Party re-re's keep claiming that we're heading toward socialism so people are all alarmed and scared. This is not dissimilar to the cries of "Communist takeover!" a few decades ago which we can now look back on and laugh. In short, Obama doesn't want to eliminate competition (socialism) but regulate it. People in general (the masses) don't have a good grasp of politics to be able to understand all that's going on; they just know they're pissed off and the Democrats are the current scapegoats, just as the Republicans were a few years ago. Of course both are really to blame.

As far as DDO, Sieben felt the need to recruit his anarchist counterparts from mises.org so now every other poster is rambling about the merits of anarchy (which espouses a similar free market to libertarianism, and obviously the lack of government monopoly at all). Their strength in numbers also helps mold spongey teenage minds, like Panda's, who made the shift to a free market ideology. They even got Insert. Nuff said.

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED.
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9/25/2010 12:08:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 10:30:17 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 9/25/2010 9:59:30 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 9/25/2010 9:52:31 AM, comoncents wrote:
At 9/25/2010 9:46:21 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Considering the number of liberals is dwindling rapidly on DDO, I'll play devil's advocate in their defense :p


Why is this. This is not a trend in the real world, is it?

I think it's a trend in the real world. Proof is that the Democrats are so worried and not doing as well politically as they were in 08. The economy's not doing much better, so of course people are going to blame the government and taxes. Plus, all of the talking heads on Fox and the Tea Party re-re's keep claiming that we're heading toward socialism so people are all alarmed and scared. This is not dissimilar to the cries of "Communist takeover!" a few decades ago which we can now look back on and laugh. In short, Obama doesn't want to eliminate competition (socialism) but regulate it. People in general (the masses) don't have a good grasp of politics to be able to understand all that's going on; they just know they're pissed off and the Democrats are the current scapegoats, just as the Republicans were a few years ago. Of course both are really to blame.

As far as DDO, Sieben felt the need to recruit his anarchist counterparts from mises.org so now every other poster is rambling about the merits of anarchy (which espouses a similar free market to libertarianism, and obviously the lack of government monopoly at all). Their strength in numbers also helps mold spongey teenage minds, like Panda's, who made the shift to a free market ideology. They even got Insert. Nuff said.

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED.

+1 to Cody.
Anyways, I don't exactly want to call my mind spongey. More like a giant barrel of very thick concrete batter. Tough to change form(stir), but if you give me some really good arguments that haven't been currently refuted, I'll be going your way.
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9/25/2010 12:19:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 9:34:08 AM, comoncents wrote:
These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.

'Course not, but you can legislate fair opportunity for the poor by legislating more taxation out of the wealthy.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

Unless of course they were in the very same situation that the person receiving was in. Welfare is a universally-applicable program, you know.

3, The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

That's called the laws of physics.

4. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

Yeah, because the modern world running for the past 60 years has truly fallen into nothingness.

5. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

But you can carry it.

I got this email, what do you think?

Silly, anti-charity/welfare system diatribe.
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9/25/2010 12:28:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 10:17:07 AM, comoncents wrote:
At 9/25/2010 9:59:30 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Their strength in numbers also helps mold spongey teenage minds, like Panda's, who made the shift to a free market ideology. They even got Insert. Nuff said.

Darn tootin'

Your right. They have been recruiting. I will not even respond to Sieben craziness anymore. Some think that he is "brilliant", I think he is crazy, but whatever.

I think his political views are crazy, comon, but you looked like a fish out of water trying to respond to him. There's no denying he's a smart guy.
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9/25/2010 12:34:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 10:20:18 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 9/25/2010 9:59:30 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Their strength in numbers also helps mold spongey teenage minds, like Panda's, who made the shift to a free market ideology.

Oh no you didn't.

Having a spongey mind is usually a good thing lol. It means you're quick to learn and absorb things :p
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9/25/2010 12:36:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 12:34:58 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 9/25/2010 10:20:18 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 9/25/2010 9:59:30 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Their strength in numbers also helps mold spongey teenage minds, like Panda's, who made the shift to a free market ideology.

Oh no you didn't.

Having a spongey mind is usually a good thing lol. It means you're quick to learn and absorb things :p
Which implies that it is easy for you to absorb -false- things much easier as well.
-I've noted the 'usually' part.-
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9/25/2010 12:37:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 12:28:19 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
I think his political views are crazy, comon, but you looked like a fish out of water trying to respond to him. There's no denying he's a smart guy.

Indeed. I can respect an opinion that's well thought out and examined, which his are. Of course I don't understand the whole inevitable statism bit but I digress.
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9/25/2010 12:37:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 12:36:46 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:34:58 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 9/25/2010 10:20:18 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 9/25/2010 9:59:30 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Their strength in numbers also helps mold spongey teenage minds, like Panda's, who made the shift to a free market ideology.

Oh no you didn't.

Having a spongey mind is usually a good thing lol. It means you're quick to learn and absorb things :p
Which implies that it is easy for you to absorb -false- things much easier as well.
-I've noted the 'usually' part.-

Well look at you, you observant little thing!
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9/25/2010 12:39:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 12:34:58 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 9/25/2010 10:20:18 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 9/25/2010 9:59:30 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Their strength in numbers also helps mold spongey teenage minds, like Panda's, who made the shift to a free market ideology.

Oh no you didn't.

Having a spongey mind is usually a good thing lol. It means you're quick to learn and absorb things :p

Sure. That was definitely the original meaning ¬.¬.
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9/25/2010 12:41:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 12:37:30 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:36:46 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:34:58 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 9/25/2010 10:20:18 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 9/25/2010 9:59:30 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Their strength in numbers also helps mold spongey teenage minds, like Panda's, who made the shift to a free market ideology.

Oh no you didn't.

Having a spongey mind is usually a good thing lol. It means you're quick to learn and absorb things :p
Which implies that it is easy for you to absorb -false- things much easier as well.
-I've noted the 'usually' part.-

Well look at you, you observant little thing!
Ew, patronization.
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9/25/2010 12:41:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 12:39:40 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:34:58 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 9/25/2010 10:20:18 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 9/25/2010 9:59:30 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Their strength in numbers also helps mold spongey teenage minds, like Panda's, who made the shift to a free market ideology.

Oh no you didn't.

Having a spongey mind is usually a good thing lol. It means you're quick to learn and absorb things :p

Sure. That was definitely the original meaning ¬.¬.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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9/25/2010 12:44:06 PM
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1. For centuries, the State (or more strictly, individuals acting in their roles as "members of the government") has cloaked its criminal activity in high-sounding rhetoric.

2. For centuries the State has committed mass murder and called it "war"; then ennobled the mass slaughter that "war" involves.

3. For centuries the State has enslaved people into its armed battalions and called it "conscription" in the "national service."

4. For centuries the State has robbed people at bayonet point and called it "taxation."

5. In fact, if you wish to know how libertarians regard the State and any of its acts, simply think of the State as a criminal band, and all of the libertarian attitudes will logically fall into place.
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9/25/2010 12:51:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 9:34:08 AM, comoncents wrote:
3, The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

what about the right to vote or some gov't post that never existed before that they just created? hmmm?

anyways, i tend to get annoyed by rabid sounding conservatives even when they happen to agree with me. i can only imagine how frustrating it must be for liberals lol. this email makes no arguments and simply states things that are for the most part true as if they totally invalidate the basis of liberalism. its kinda like... ok thats true... so what?
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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9/25/2010 12:54:12 PM
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At 9/25/2010 12:51:32 PM, belle wrote:
At 9/25/2010 9:34:08 AM, comoncents wrote:
3, The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

what about the right to vote

The right to vote is the right to steal. Every election is like an advanced auction of stolen goods.

or some gov't post that never existed before that they just created? hmmm?

And the salary is paid through taxation.
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9/25/2010 12:58:20 PM
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At 9/25/2010 12:54:12 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 9/25/2010 12:51:32 PM, belle wrote:
At 9/25/2010 9:34:08 AM, comoncents wrote:
3, The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

what about the right to vote

The right to vote is the right to steal. Every election is like an advanced auction of stolen goods.

don't follow. at most its the right to elect other people to steal on your behalf...

or some gov't post that never existed before that they just created? hmmm?

And the salary is paid through taxation.

yes, but the title is free :P
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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9/25/2010 2:28:38 PM
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At 9/25/2010 12:28:19 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:

I think his political views are crazy, comon, but you looked like a fish out of water trying to respond to him. There's no denying he's a smart guy.

I just do not agree. I have seen his posts and he is not a "smart guy", or at least the commentary we went back and forth on.
He seems like a person that memorized one websites commentary, and does not look at history in its entirety.
You give him the label as "smart", but quote a select few websites.
You guys have had some of his kool-aid, and fail to see his logical flaws. He argues in a box, take him out of the box and he goes to what he knows, mises.org.

I fail too let myself believe that he is smart; he has to first prove his wit, and fails every time we discuss.
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9/26/2010 6:26:54 AM
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1. Socialists don't want the common good, they want the goods of the commons.

2. Conservatives don't want to impose family morals, they want to impose morals on the family.

3. Anarchists don't want total freedom from tyranny, they want tyranny from total freedom.

4. Liberals don't want to impsoe regulations on destructive business, they want to impose destructive regulations on business.

5. Libertarians don't want to let the free market control the people as opposed to the government, libertarians want the people to control the market, as opposed to the government.
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9/26/2010 6:38:35 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/25/2010 9:59:30 AM, theLwerd wrote:
As far as DDO, Sieben felt the need to recruit his anarchist counterparts from mises.org so now every other poster is rambling about the merits of anarchy (which espouses a similar free market to libertarianism, and obviously the lack of government monopoly at all). Their strength in numbers also helps mold spongey teenage minds, like Panda's, who made the shift to a free market ideology. They even got Insert. Nuff said.

I was wondering why there's been so freaking many of them around lately. Now I know.
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