Total Posts:122|Showing Posts:1-30|Last Page
Jump to topic:

Days of Desperation for the GOP

ColeTrain
Posts: 4,288
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/6/2015 5:47:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
http://www.politico.com...

Thoughts?
"The right to 360 noscope noobs shall not be infringed!!!" -- tajshar2k
"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
TBR
Posts: 9,991
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/6/2015 5:55:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/6/2015 5:47:02 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
http://www.politico.com...

Thoughts?

I do think the GOP in a major revamp. They have had nothing new for my entire lifetime. I would be happy with a reformulated GOP, but not the current track.
ColeTrain
Posts: 4,288
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/6/2015 5:57:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/6/2015 5:55:50 PM, TBR wrote:
At 11/6/2015 5:47:02 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
http://www.politico.com...

Thoughts?

I do think the GOP in a major revamp. They have had nothing new for my entire lifetime. I would be happy with a reformulated GOP, but not the current track.

Is it the extreme conservatism that you don't like, or something else? I agree -- there needs to be some changes to the party, but I prefer conservatism.
"The right to 360 noscope noobs shall not be infringed!!!" -- tajshar2k
"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
TBR
Posts: 9,991
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/6/2015 6:01:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago

Is it the extreme conservatism that you don't like, or something else? I agree -- there needs to be some changes to the party, but I prefer conservatism.

Yea, the extreme. Look, as liberal as I am, we as a country need a proper balance. I want sane republicans to regain their party. It would be helpful if this "purity" testing were gone. It would be helpful if within the part the most outlandish ideas weren't the most celebrated. The base has been the issue. The GOP grew this rabid reaction, and now they are paying for it.
EndarkenedRationalist
Posts: 14,201
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/6/2015 6:03:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I think we all know that the GOP is imploding. I certainly wasn't expecting it to be happening this soon, but it's inevitable. Then the party can reorganize itself and finally join the 21st century.
ColeTrain
Posts: 4,288
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/6/2015 6:04:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/6/2015 6:01:41 PM, TBR wrote:

Is it the extreme conservatism that you don't like, or something else? I agree -- there needs to be some changes to the party, but I prefer conservatism.

Yea, the extreme. Look, as liberal as I am,

Quite liberal, as far as I can tell. ;)

we as a country need a proper balance.

Yeah, probably.

I want sane republicans to regain their party. It would be helpful if this "purity" testing were gone.

What do you mean?

It would be helpful if within the part the most outlandish ideas weren't the most celebrated.

What are the "outlandish ideas"?

The base has been the issue. The GOP grew this rabid reaction, and now they are paying for it.

I see.
"The right to 360 noscope noobs shall not be infringed!!!" -- tajshar2k
"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
ColeTrain
Posts: 4,288
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 2:20:03 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/6/2015 6:03:39 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think we all know that the GOP is imploding. I certainly wasn't expecting it to be happening this soon, but it's inevitable. Then the party can reorganize itself and finally join the 21st century.

Lol. So, you don't think conservatism applicable to the 21st century??
"The right to 360 noscope noobs shall not be infringed!!!" -- tajshar2k
"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
TBR
Posts: 9,991
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 2:29:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I want sane republicans to regain their party. It would be helpful if this "purity" testing were gone.

What do you mean?

The words are not new, I am sure you have seen them
https://www.google.com...

the point is, any conservative must be "this this and this" to be a "True" conservative. I think it has been a very ugly development, and very limiting. I seriously put a fair amount of this on the rise of Rush and the concept of RINOs etc.


It would be helpful if within the part the most outlandish ideas weren't the most celebrated.

What are the "outlandish ideas"?

10% flat tax. Kicking out 12m people from the country. Going into two wars while cutting taxes on the top earners. More?


The base has been the issue. The GOP grew this rabid reaction, and now they are paying for it.

I see.
ColeTrain
Posts: 4,288
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 2:33:56 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 2:29:11 AM, TBR wrote:
I want sane republicans to regain their party. It would be helpful if this "purity" testing were gone.

What do you mean?

The words are not new, I am sure you have seen them
https://www.google.com...

the point is, any conservative must be "this this and this" to be a "True" conservative. I think it has been a very ugly development, and very limiting. I seriously put a fair amount of this on the rise of Rush and the concept of RINOs etc.

I'd agree... I think they might be too rigid...

It would be helpful if within the part the most outlandish ideas weren't the most celebrated.

What are the "outlandish ideas"?

10% flat tax. Kicking out 12m people from the country. Going into two wars while cutting taxes on the top earners. More?

Not everyone proposes those ideals... 10% flat tax is Carson, 12million out is Trump... Do you mean the flat tax in general? Immigration needs serious change, I'm not entirely sure what, but it's in shambles... I direct you to this thread and encourage your opinions there (since I think you've got some good ones): http://www.debate.org...

Cutting taxes from the top earners or simply not taxing them enough? I haven't heard about any substantial tax cuts from the rich so far, unless I missed something. And I direct your attention to this thread, lol: http://www.debate.org...
"The right to 360 noscope noobs shall not be infringed!!!" -- tajshar2k
"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
TBR
Posts: 9,991
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 2:42:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
What are the "outlandish ideas"?

10% flat tax. Kicking out 12m people from the country. Going into two wars while cutting taxes on the top earners. More?

Not everyone proposes those ideals... 10% flat tax is Carson, 12million out is Trump... Do you mean the flat tax in general? Immigration needs serious change, I'm not entirely sure what, but it's in shambles... I direct you to this thread and encourage your opinions there (since I think you've got some good ones): http://www.debate.org...

Cutting taxes from the top earners or simply not taxing them enough? I haven't heard about any substantial tax cuts from the rich so far, unless I missed something. And I direct your attention to this thread, lol: http://www.debate.org...

http://www.investopedia.com...

But we can keep going. How about rejecting basic science? Resisting any attempts to implement wind and solar. Endless meaningless wars on "terror" and drugs. For profit prisons, resisting any attempts to fix a healthcare system. The part of "no" is not just a bumper sticker. They have been trying to run "no" as a platform for most of my life.
ColeTrain
Posts: 4,288
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 2:47:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 2:42:26 AM, TBR wrote:
Cutting taxes from the top earners or simply not taxing them enough? I haven't heard about any substantial tax cuts from the rich so far, unless I missed something. And I direct your attention to this thread, lol: http://www.debate.org...

http://www.investopedia.com...

But we can keep going. How about rejecting basic science?

Lol, not getting into creation lol

Resisting any attempts to implement wind and solar.

Infrastructure?

Endless meaningless wars on "terror" and drugs.

One thing I don't understand is the war on "terror." It's been ineffective, empirically. I'll concede that's something that should be reformed.

Drugs, though, is a bad proposition... the legalization of drugs isn't logical... it doesn't simply harm the individual who takes drugs, I don't see how some liberals don't accept that.

For profit prisons,

Lol.

resisting any attempts to fix a healthcare system.

ObamaCare isn't the answer.

The part of "no" is not just a bumper sticker. They have been trying to run "no" as a platform for most of my life.

Lol, I see what you mean. However, I think there are nearly as many liberal policy plans that are illogical as well... living wage for example... and social issues are just sewage to most people nowadays, it's sad.
"The right to 360 noscope noobs shall not be infringed!!!" -- tajshar2k
"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
Vox_Veritas
Posts: 7,060
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 2:57:10 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Of what I've heard the GOP has experienced an overall massive gain in seats in state and federal governments since Obama took office. A MASSIVE gain. Their recent gains in Congress are only half of it. They've taken over governorships, state congresses, and so on.
Reports of the GOP's demise are exaggerated; a party in its final days wouldn't be anywhere near this successful.
Call me Vox, the Resident Contrarian of debate.org.

The DDO Blog:
https://debatedotorg.wordpress.com...

#drinkthecoffeenotthekoolaid
imabench
Posts: 21,204
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 2:57:43 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/6/2015 5:47:02 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
http://www.politico.com...

Thoughts?

I honestly find it questionable whether or not there is a place for moderate republicans in the Republican Party anymore. The party seems to have been hijacked by the ultra right and the more moderate right is being left out of the party. The Dems meanwhile arent moving any closer to the center, with Hillary sitting right where Obama was, and Sanders trying to pull the party even further to the left.

If the GOP continues to move to the deep right and the Dem party pretty much stays where its at ideology wise, I could see grounds for a new third party springing up to fill in the void in between both parties. Until then though, All we will see is chaos
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

DDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

VP of DDO from Dec 14th 2014 to Jan 1st 2015
TBR
Posts: 9,991
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 3:01:35 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
and social issues are just sewage to most people nowadays, it's sad.

What do you mean? Most people? Are you saying that the social issues "most people" agree with Republicans?
Vox_Veritas
Posts: 7,060
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 3:05:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
And I disagree that flat tax is some kind of extremist idea; what's really extremist is attempts to paint stuff like this as extremist.
Sure, the poor may have a harder time paying taxes under a flat tax. So what? They're still paying virtually nothing into the system. What should be looked at is whether or not everyone is paying X percentage of their income. To push a higher percentage on somewhat else because "they can take it easier" and to let a class get away with paying less than what they owe as citizens of the United States just because they're poor (they're benefiting equally from roads and a crime-free, war-free, sanitary society as a rich person, aren't they?) is even more outlandish.
Call me Vox, the Resident Contrarian of debate.org.

The DDO Blog:
https://debatedotorg.wordpress.com...

#drinkthecoffeenotthekoolaid
imabench
Posts: 21,204
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 3:29:32 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 3:05:47 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

Sure, the poor may have a harder time paying taxes under a flat tax. So what? They're still paying virtually nothing into the system.

And the reason for that is THEY ARE POOR.....

What should be looked at is whether or not everyone is paying X percentage of their income. To push a higher percentage on somewhat else because "they can take it easier" and to let a class get away with paying less than what they owe as citizens of the United States just because they're poor (they're benefiting equally from roads and a crime-free, war-free, sanitary society as a rich person, aren't they?) is even more outlandish.
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

DDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

VP of DDO from Dec 14th 2014 to Jan 1st 2015
Vox_Veritas
Posts: 7,060
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 3:35:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 3:29:32 AM, imabench wrote:
At 11/7/2015 3:05:47 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

Sure, the poor may have a harder time paying taxes under a flat tax. So what? They're still paying virtually nothing into the system.

And the reason for that is THEY ARE POOR.....

What should be looked at is whether or not everyone is paying X percentage of their income. To push a higher percentage on somewhat else because "they can take it easier" and to let a class get away with paying less than what they owe as citizens of the United States just because they're poor (they're benefiting equally from roads and a crime-free, war-free, sanitary society as a rich person, aren't they?) is even more outlandish.

Hey banker, I'm not going to repay what I owe you. Why? Because I'M POOR!
Call me Vox, the Resident Contrarian of debate.org.

The DDO Blog:
https://debatedotorg.wordpress.com...

#drinkthecoffeenotthekoolaid
imabench
Posts: 21,204
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 3:38:10 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 3:29:32 AM, imabench wrote:
At 11/7/2015 3:05:47 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

Sure, the poor may have a harder time paying taxes under a flat tax. So what? They're still paying virtually nothing into the system.

And the reason for that is THEY ARE POOR.....

What should be looked at is whether or not everyone is paying X percentage of their income. To push a higher percentage on somewhat else because "they can take it easier" and to let a class get away with paying less than what they owe as citizens of the United States just because they're poor (they're benefiting equally from roads and a crime-free, war-free, sanitary society as a rich person, aren't they?) is even more outlandish.

^ keep in mind this is the same dingus who when a person on DDO actually was on the verge of being homeless, his advice literally was for him to go sh** in the woods.
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

DDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

VP of DDO from Dec 14th 2014 to Jan 1st 2015
Vox_Veritas
Posts: 7,060
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 3:39:48 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 3:38:10 AM, imabench wrote:
At 11/7/2015 3:29:32 AM, imabench wrote:
At 11/7/2015 3:05:47 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

Sure, the poor may have a harder time paying taxes under a flat tax. So what? They're still paying virtually nothing into the system.

And the reason for that is THEY ARE POOR.....

What should be looked at is whether or not everyone is paying X percentage of their income. To push a higher percentage on somewhat else because "they can take it easier" and to let a class get away with paying less than what they owe as citizens of the United States just because they're poor (they're benefiting equally from roads and a crime-free, war-free, sanitary society as a rich person, aren't they?) is even more outlandish.

^ keep in mind this is the same dingus who when a person on DDO actually was on the verge of being homeless, his advice literally was for him to go sh** in the woods.

I'm not going to do this with you again...
Call me Vox, the Resident Contrarian of debate.org.

The DDO Blog:
https://debatedotorg.wordpress.com...

#drinkthecoffeenotthekoolaid
BlackFlags
Posts: 904
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 4:00:14 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I absolutely agree with Vox Veristas argument here.

If government were to be providing services, and such association with the government were voluntary like a social libertarian republic, then everyone should have to pay equal dues.
BlackFlags
Posts: 904
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 4:03:00 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
The same concept applies for those under illegal capitalism, which is my fancy way of saying the black market side of capitalism, also quite prominent in an anarcho-capitalist world.

Just outright oppressive to expect someone who makes 11,000$ to pay 15% less than someone who earns 30,000$ for the exact same services.
imabench
Posts: 21,204
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 4:06:33 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 4:03:00 AM, BlackFlags wrote:

Just outright oppressive to expect someone who makes 11,000$ to pay 15% less than someone who earns 30,000$ for the exact same services.

Found the overly-entitled white boy
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

DDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

VP of DDO from Dec 14th 2014 to Jan 1st 2015
BlackFlags
Posts: 904
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 4:07:59 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 4:06:33 AM, imabench wrote:
Found the overly-entitled white boy

You make a lot of assumptions. The most incorrect being that I am entitled. I hate entitlements. Do not believe in entitlements. Entitlements are exactly what is wrong with society, and exactly what liberals are trying to hand out.
BlackFlags
Posts: 904
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 4:10:19 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Taxes should be made into voluntary dues, and association with any community should be completely voluntary as well. That is the only thing that makes logical and ideological sense.
imabench
Posts: 21,204
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 4:14:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 4:07:59 AM, BlackFlags wrote:
At 11/7/2015 4:06:33 AM, imabench wrote:
Found the overly-entitled white boy

You make a lot of assumptions. The most incorrect being that I am entitled. I hate entitlements.

You were run off of one site for being an idiot and ended up on another site, where you then got banned by the moderator on that site for repeatedly refusing to follow the rules because you felt entitled to break them, only to then come crawling back to the original site you were laughed off of to talk sh** about the mod from the other site, where you were then put in your place by a moderator once again for not feeling that you have to abide by the rules around here either.

You act like one of the most entitled 13 year olds to ever show up on this site yet you clam to detest being entitled.... The fact that you cant realize that is truly hysterical
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

DDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

VP of DDO from Dec 14th 2014 to Jan 1st 2015
BlackFlags
Posts: 904
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 4:39:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 4:14:51 AM, imabench wrote:
You act like one of the most entitled 13 year olds to ever show up on this site yet you clam to detest being entitled.... The fact that you cant realize that is truly hysterical

This is the kind of meander you come to expect when discussing politics online I guess.
BlackFlags
Posts: 904
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 4:41:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Does anybody actually want to discuss the merits of equal pay for equal service? It applies pretty well everywhere. If it became socially acceptable to charge people different prices for the exact same thing in terms of social services, then you are embarking on a morally questionable and economically dangerous slippery slope.
EndarkenedRationalist
Posts: 14,201
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 12:23:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 2:20:03 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 11/6/2015 6:03:39 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think we all know that the GOP is imploding. I certainly wasn't expecting it to be happening this soon, but it's inevitable. Then the party can reorganize itself and finally join the 21st century.

Lol. So, you don't think conservatism applicable to the 21st century??

Not its current brand.
EndarkenedRationalist
Posts: 14,201
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 12:36:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 2:47:16 AM, ColeTrain wrote:

Resisting any attempts to implement wind and solar.

Infrastructure?

Here is what my (and the conservative) stance on this *should* be. The government shouldn't have to regulate and over-regulate companies to get them to adopt sustainable emergent sources. Rather, it should incentivize the free market to develop those sources.

Also, oil needs to get its money the hell out of politics. And yes, Keystone should happen. America should use Keystone and domestic sources of oil to a) wean itself off foriegn oil and b) transition into new, cleaner sources of energy.

Endless meaningless wars on "terror" and drugs.

One thing I don't understand is the war on "terror." It's been ineffective, empirically. I'll concede that's something that should be reformed.

Drugs, though, is a bad proposition... the legalization of drugs isn't logical... it doesn't simply harm the individual who takes drugs, I don't see how some liberals don't accept that.

Who else is harmed? The government can take in millions in revenue from legalizing and taxing marijuana alone, which is proven less harmful than both alchohol and cigarettes.

For profit prisons,

Lol.

I guess you agree these are bad, then.

resisting any attempts to fix a healthcare system.

ObamaCare isn't the answer.

No, it isn't. Universal is.

The part of "no" is not just a bumper sticker. They have been trying to run "no" as a platform for most of my life.

Lol, I see what you mean. However, I think there are nearly as many liberal policy plans that are illogical as well... living wage for example... and social issues are just sewage to most people nowadays, it's sad.

Yes, the minimum wage has proven demonstrable negative (major negative) impacts after exceeding $10.10.
ColeTrain
Posts: 4,288
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/7/2015 4:58:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 2:57:43 AM, imabench wrote:
At 11/6/2015 5:47:02 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
http://www.politico.com...

Thoughts?

I honestly find it questionable whether or not there is a place for moderate republicans in the Republican Party anymore. The party seems to have been hijacked by the ultra right and the more moderate right is being left out of the party. The Dems meanwhile arent moving any closer to the center, with Hillary sitting right where Obama was, and Sanders trying to pull the party even further to the left.

I'd tend to agree -- the parties seem to becoming more divisive and each heading their separate ways: ultra-right and ultra-left.

If the GOP continues to move to the deep right and the Dem party pretty much stays where its at ideology wise, I could see grounds for a new third party springing up to fill in the void in between both parties. Until then though, All we will see is chaos

Yeah... a three-party system would be intense.
"The right to 360 noscope noobs shall not be infringed!!!" -- tajshar2k
"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW