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11/10/2015 8:27:22 PM
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I will be honest right up front. I dont think political correctness is really a thing. I am always baffled when people complain about how PC society has become. Is there anyone that can explain to me how PC is harmful, and that it is actually a thing?
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11/10/2015 8:44:59 PM
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At 11/10/2015 8:27:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
I will be honest right up front. I dont think political correctness is really a thing. I am always baffled when people complain about how PC society has become. Is there anyone that can explain to me how PC is harmful, and that it is actually a thing?

It was a worthless term from the start. Now it is a tossed about by conservatives to deflect and dodge debate or criticism.
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11/10/2015 8:45:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 8:44:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 11/10/2015 8:27:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
I will be honest right up front. I dont think political correctness is really a thing. I am always baffled when people complain about how PC society has become. Is there anyone that can explain to me how PC is harmful, and that it is actually a thing?

It was a worthless term from the start. Now it is a tossed about by conservatives to deflect and dodge debate or criticism.

Ok, thats exactly how I feel about it.
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11/10/2015 8:46:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 8:27:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
I will be honest right up front. I dont think political correctness is really a thing. I am always baffled when people complain about how PC society has become. Is there anyone that can explain to me how PC is harmful, and that it is actually a thing?

I wouldn't claim that it is not "a thing." It is certainly a concept that is gaining traction, for good and not so good. In its most literal interpretation, it is the art of avoiding saying things that might alienate a politician from much of his (or her, ha!) constituency.

It has come to mean avoiding terminology that might offend certain groups. That can be a good thing-- I mean, why would we WANT to needlessly offend whole people groups?

But it can also be counterproductive. In Australia, for example, reporters no longer mention the skin color or ethnicity of the suspect in a crime. If that is an identifying feature that would help in the suspect's apprehension, then that is counterproductive. (Note: this practice is true according to my wife, so if any other Aussies here a different version, please set me straight)

Also, President Obama refuses to mention "Islamist" as a descriptor (and motivator) for much of the world's violent extremism, which I believe is counterproductive to combatting it.

What is funny is that right wingers see control of language as purely a left wing ideal, but they seek to control language just as much in their own way and for their own ends.
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11/10/2015 8:52:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 8:46:34 PM, Fly wrote:
At 11/10/2015 8:27:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
I will be honest right up front. I dont think political correctness is really a thing. I am always baffled when people complain about how PC society has become. Is there anyone that can explain to me how PC is harmful, and that it is actually a thing?

I wouldn't claim that it is not "a thing." It is certainly a concept that is gaining traction, for good and not so good. In its most literal interpretation, it is the art of avoiding saying things that might alienate a politician from much of his (or her, ha!) constituency.

It has come to mean avoiding terminology that might offend certain groups. That can be a good thing-- I mean, why would we WANT to needlessly offend whole people groups?

But it can also be counterproductive. In Australia, for example, reporters no longer mention the skin color or ethnicity of the suspect in a crime. If that is an identifying feature that would help in the suspect's apprehension, then that is counterproductive. (Note: this practice is true according to my wife, so if any other Aussies here a different version, please set me straight)
Interesting.


Also, President Obama refuses to mention "Islamist" as a descriptor (and motivator) for much of the world's violent extremism, which I believe is counterproductive to combatting it.

So I suppose that I have heard this before. Though, as you said why would we want to needlessly offend millions of people by calling a terrorist group Islamic. Why not just call it a terrorist group.

What is funny is that right wingers see control of language as purely a left wing ideal, but they seek to control language just as much in their own way and for their own ends.
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11/10/2015 9:01:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Political correctness is definitely real, as far as social constructs can be real.

It stems from those annoying people who will jump at even the slightest infringement on even the slightest possibility that someone could get offended.
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11/10/2015 9:05:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 8:52:12 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 11/10/2015 8:46:34 PM, Fly wrote:
At 11/10/2015 8:27:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
I will be honest right up front. I dont think political correctness is really a thing. I am always baffled when people complain about how PC society has become. Is there anyone that can explain to me how PC is harmful, and that it is actually a thing?

I wouldn't claim that it is not "a thing." It is certainly a concept that is gaining traction, for good and not so good. In its most literal interpretation, it is the art of avoiding saying things that might alienate a politician from much of his (or her, ha!) constituency.

It has come to mean avoiding terminology that might offend certain groups. That can be a good thing-- I mean, why would we WANT to needlessly offend whole people groups?

But it can also be counterproductive. In Australia, for example, reporters no longer mention the skin color or ethnicity of the suspect in a crime. If that is an identifying feature that would help in the suspect's apprehension, then that is counterproductive. (Note: this practice is true according to my wife, so if any other Aussies here a different version, please set me straight)
Interesting.


Also, President Obama refuses to mention "Islamist" as a descriptor (and motivator) for much of the world's violent extremism, which I believe is counterproductive to combatting it.

So I suppose that I have heard this before. Though, as you said why would we want to needlessly offend millions of people by calling a terrorist group Islamic. Why not just call it a terrorist group.

Here you open the whole can of worms. First, defining terms is in order. An Islamist is NOT simply a Muslim; he (or she) is a Muslim who believes in the spread of Islamic theocracy (the establishment of a Caliphate).

So, Islamism is the motivator behind this brand of violent extremism. If we counter only violent extremism, it will regenerate new members to its ranks. To effectively combat it, we have to acknowledge the existence of Islamism and find ways to counter the source of such violence, which is the ideology of Islamism (not Islam in its entirety or even its majority).

Those Muslims who do not identify as Islamist should not be offended in this scenario.

What is funny is that right wingers see control of language as purely a left wing ideal, but they seek to control language just as much in their own way and for their own ends.
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11/10/2015 9:08:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 8:59:03 PM, Wylted wrote:
Roy Latham debated Imabench on this, and I found Roy's analysis, very good.

Do you have the link per chance?
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11/10/2015 9:10:36 PM
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At 11/10/2015 9:08:29 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 11/10/2015 8:59:03 PM, Wylted wrote:
Roy Latham debated Imabench on this, and I found Roy's analysis, very good.

Do you have the link per chance?

It's in Roy's win column and Imabench's loss column. It's not too hard to find, but I'll look anyway.
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11/10/2015 9:11:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 9:08:29 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 11/10/2015 8:59:03 PM, Wylted wrote:
Roy Latham debated Imabench on this, and I found Roy's analysis, very good.

Do you have the link per chance?

http://www.debate.org...
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11/10/2015 9:23:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 9:11:35 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/10/2015 9:08:29 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 11/10/2015 8:59:03 PM, Wylted wrote:
Roy Latham debated Imabench on this, and I found Roy's analysis, very good.

Do you have the link per chance?

http://www.debate.org...

Thanks, I suppose I could have found that myself haha.
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11/10/2015 9:28:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 9:11:35 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/10/2015 9:08:29 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 11/10/2015 8:59:03 PM, Wylted wrote:
Roy Latham debated Imabench on this, and I found Roy's analysis, very good.

Do you have the link per chance?

http://www.debate.org...

Roy says

"Everyone knows PC rules


Pro claims "people question whether or not the rules of political correctness are even a real thing."

Let's see if readers know political correctness. Identify the PC term in each pair: waitress or server, Mrs. or Ms., prostitute or sex worker, retarded or mentally challenged, terrorist attack or man-caused disaster. Which is politically correct, using: paper or plastic bags, gasoline or electric car, water or Coke [tm], bicycle or SUV, disposable plastic water bottle or reusable metal bottle. Nearly everyone knows what the PC answers are, even if they don't conform."


I dont see the above as examples of something that is actually harmful.
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11/10/2015 9:30:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 9:28:04 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 11/10/2015 9:11:35 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/10/2015 9:08:29 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 11/10/2015 8:59:03 PM, Wylted wrote:
Roy Latham debated Imabench on this, and I found Roy's analysis, very good.

Do you have the link per chance?

http://www.debate.org...

Roy says

"Everyone knows PC rules


Pro claims "people question whether or not the rules of political correctness are even a real thing."

Let's see if readers know political correctness. Identify the PC term in each pair: waitress or server, Mrs. or Ms., prostitute or sex worker, retarded or mentally challenged, terrorist attack or man-caused disaster. Which is politically correct, using: paper or plastic bags, gasoline or electric car, water or Coke [tm], bicycle or SUV, disposable plastic water bottle or reusable metal bottle. Nearly everyone knows what the PC answers are, even if they don't conform."


I dont see the above as examples of something that is actually harmful.

This is about whether it exists right?
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11/10/2015 9:41:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 9:30:36 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/10/2015 9:28:04 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 11/10/2015 9:11:35 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/10/2015 9:08:29 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 11/10/2015 8:59:03 PM, Wylted wrote:
Roy Latham debated Imabench on this, and I found Roy's analysis, very good.

Do you have the link per chance?

http://www.debate.org...

Roy says

"Everyone knows PC rules


Pro claims "people question whether or not the rules of political correctness are even a real thing."

Let's see if readers know political correctness. Identify the PC term in each pair: waitress or server, Mrs. or Ms., prostitute or sex worker, retarded or mentally challenged, terrorist attack or man-caused disaster. Which is politically correct, using: paper or plastic bags, gasoline or electric car, water or Coke [tm], bicycle or SUV, disposable plastic water bottle or reusable metal bottle. Nearly everyone knows what the PC answers are, even if they don't conform."


I dont see the above as examples of something that is actually harmful.

This is about whether it exists right?

Sure, I suppose...
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11/10/2015 9:44:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 9:28:04 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 11/10/2015 9:11:35 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/10/2015 9:08:29 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 11/10/2015 8:59:03 PM, Wylted wrote:
Roy Latham debated Imabench on this, and I found Roy's analysis, very good.

Do you have the link per chance?

http://www.debate.org...

Roy says

"Everyone knows PC rules


Pro claims "people question whether or not the rules of political correctness are even a real thing."

Let's see if readers know political correctness. Identify the PC term in each pair: waitress or server, Mrs. or Ms., prostitute or sex worker, retarded or mentally challenged, terrorist attack or man-caused disaster. Which is politically correct, using: paper or plastic bags, gasoline or electric car, water or Coke [tm], bicycle or SUV, disposable plastic water bottle or reusable metal bottle. Nearly everyone knows what the PC answers are, even if they don't conform."


I dont see the above as examples of something that is actually harmful.

Well, they are not. Further, the term has been turned on its head to imply more, and that more is read as "bad".

I don't think the term is necessary, you don't often hear someone saying "that's not PC" intending to call out the bad behavior of the speaker, rather what you see it is used as a accusation of over the top behavior. Shorthand, wink, nudge to all conservatives listening.
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11/10/2015 9:44:46 PM
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PC really needs a new name. It should now be called "socially acceptable." It originated in politics, as politicians pandered for voters, they would have to choose their words carefully to not push voters away. Like making sure to say "African Americans" instead of "Blacks." Even those their message wasn't any different it would effect how the message was perceived and received. As media grew and privacy died, it expanded to anything and everything. To Celebraties, Atheletes, Business Owners, and News People.
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11/10/2015 11:40:03 PM
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At 11/10/2015 8:27:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
I will be honest right up front. I dont think political correctness is really a thing. I am always baffled when people complain about how PC society has become. Is there anyone that can explain to me how PC is harmful, and that it is actually a thing?

It is the irrational fear of speaking your mind about an issue that may involve an identifiable group. You become afraid that you might offend someone and therefor take on the responsibility of what you perceive might be their reaction. You have now hurt only yourself and that group by bottling up what might or might not be a legitimate issue and denying any meaningful debate. If the debate is allowed to happen, then the issue may get solved as all sides can be presented and dialogue can at least begin. People try to shut you up because they are afraid and want to live in a fantasy world where everyone and all cultures are equal. We know that's not true. Political correctness becomes your prison.
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11/10/2015 11:58:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Here is an entertaining video on the excesses of PC in the Halloween season (relevant bit starts at 2:55):

http://youtu.be...
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11/11/2015 1:45:05 AM
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At 11/10/2015 8:27:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
I will be honest right up front. I dont think political correctness is really a thing. I am always baffled when people complain about how PC society has become. Is there anyone that can explain to me how PC is harmful, and that it is actually a thing?

This is why I heavily dislike the new PC culture:

http://www.theatlantic.com...

If someone believes something reprehensible, they should be upfront about it, so that I can challenge them. When it comes to bad ideas, sunlight is the best disinfectant, and censorship doesn't help anyone. Neither does this new cringing, pathological way of dealing with intellectual confrontation.
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11/11/2015 1:54:11 AM
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At 11/10/2015 8:27:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
I will be honest right up front. I dont think political correctness is really a thing. I am always baffled when people complain about how PC society has become. Is there anyone that can explain to me how PC is harmful, and that it is actually a thing?

- I was hoping to find Skep's input in this. Since he didn't show up, I shall give my two cents.

- First of all, PC is just a label of a much used linguistic tool, euphemism. We constantly get to weigh the language we use depending on our intentions even if the conveyed meaning is ultimately the same. Sometimes we say, "that is good", or "this is not bad". They both mean the same thing, but the 'feel' or 'mood' is different. Sometimes we opt for "mentally challenged" to refer to a retarded person, because our intention is not to offend. Other times we go for "retard" because we mean to offend. For instance, the Media may say, "torture" to bring out disgust in their audience, or they may say "enhanced interrogation" to soften the blow...etc. The label PC is just one of those new names for well known things. Like "doublespeak", which has been practiced since ever. I don't know why they can't just call it what it is, euphemism!!!!!! How hard can that be.

- Second of all, although euphemisms are practical in personal or specific settings, they are not so in general settings. If you say: "a retarded person" without referring to anyone, then you are not really offending anyone personally, especially if the words you use are commonly spoken & do not have inherent denigrating connotations. As 'Umar (2nd successor to Muhammad) said: "the fool rejects the designation & accepts the signification", meaning, it is foolish to reject the word & accept its meaning, through another word. He ('Umar) nevertheless, used PC even if he thought it was foolish. That is because the masses get stuck with the labels & don't delve into the contents of these labels. This also has a downside, for it can be exploited to fit the users agenda.

- Third of all, PC is essentially replacing the void left by the lost etiquette & propriety widely practiced in the past, only in much more stupid & extreme ways. I think Skep would agree with me on that. When a person gets accused of sexism for using the wrong word, then that's a sign of pathological territory & stupidity.

- Fourth of all, the overuse of PC has serious bad side effects. It renders the language meaningless & restricts its otherwise colourful use. When freaking blind people are referred to as "visually impaired", the word 'blind' loses its meaning, & its many many nuanced used are stigmatised.

- Finally, I think PC is ultimately a tool used by the Media to appeal to, control or influence the reaction or the approval of their audience.
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11/11/2015 1:55:25 AM
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At 11/11/2015 1:45:05 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 11/10/2015 8:27:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
I will be honest right up front. I dont think political correctness is really a thing. I am always baffled when people complain about how PC society has become. Is there anyone that can explain to me how PC is harmful, and that it is actually a thing?

This is why I heavily dislike the new PC culture:

http://www.theatlantic.com...

If someone believes something reprehensible, they should be upfront about it, so that I can challenge them. When it comes to bad ideas, sunlight is the best disinfectant, and censorship doesn't help anyone. Neither does this new cringing, pathological way of dealing with intellectual confrontation.

- HOLY SH*T. Man, I knew exactly what you were going to say!
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11/11/2015 2:06:36 AM
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At 11/11/2015 1:55:25 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 11/11/2015 1:45:05 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 11/10/2015 8:27:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
I will be honest right up front. I dont think political correctness is really a thing. I am always baffled when people complain about how PC society has become. Is there anyone that can explain to me how PC is harmful, and that it is actually a thing?

This is why I heavily dislike the new PC culture:

http://www.theatlantic.com...

If someone believes something reprehensible, they should be upfront about it, so that I can challenge them. When it comes to bad ideas, sunlight is the best disinfectant, and censorship doesn't help anyone. Neither does this new cringing, pathological way of dealing with intellectual confrontation.

- HOLY SH*T. Man, I knew exactly what you were going to say!

Ha, did you read that article? It's really terrible how insipid and ineffectual Western colleges are making young people.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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11/11/2015 2:11:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/11/2015 2:06:36 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 11/11/2015 1:55:25 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 11/11/2015 1:45:05 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 11/10/2015 8:27:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
I will be honest right up front. I dont think political correctness is really a thing. I am always baffled when people complain about how PC society has become. Is there anyone that can explain to me how PC is harmful, and that it is actually a thing?

This is why I heavily dislike the new PC culture:

http://www.theatlantic.com...

If someone believes something reprehensible, they should be upfront about it, so that I can challenge them. When it comes to bad ideas, sunlight is the best disinfectant, and censorship doesn't help anyone. Neither does this new cringing, pathological way of dealing with intellectual confrontation.

- HOLY SH*T. Man, I knew exactly what you were going to say!

Ha, did you read that article?

- I did, just now in fact. It was like reading a comedy.

It's really terrible how insipid and ineffectual Western colleges are making young people.

- Both of us being students of History, what future outcome would you predict for these idiotic & suffocating practices?
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11/11/2015 2:27:32 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/11/2015 2:11:26 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 11/11/2015 2:06:36 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 11/11/2015 1:55:25 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 11/11/2015 1:45:05 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 11/10/2015 8:27:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
I will be honest right up front. I dont think political correctness is really a thing. I am always baffled when people complain about how PC society has become. Is there anyone that can explain to me how PC is harmful, and that it is actually a thing?

This is why I heavily dislike the new PC culture:

http://www.theatlantic.com...

If someone believes something reprehensible, they should be upfront about it, so that I can challenge them. When it comes to bad ideas, sunlight is the best disinfectant, and censorship doesn't help anyone. Neither does this new cringing, pathological way of dealing with intellectual confrontation.

- HOLY SH*T. Man, I knew exactly what you were going to say!

Ha, did you read that article?

- I did, just now in fact. It was like reading a comedy.

It's really terrible how insipid and ineffectual Western colleges are making young people.

- Both of us being students of History, what future outcome would you predict for these idiotic & suffocating practices?

This is actually one of my unorthodox beliefs, but I think that this sort of thing is going to eviscerate the left. From the days of Ancient Rome, Western society has functioned best when the lower and upper classes were balanced in their conflict, and checked one another's excesses. This campus PC culture represents, essentially, the death of the lower class's influence. The destitute have influence when they act in unity, but things like intersectional privilege theory all but erase the recognition of class. For example, the poor black person, poor white person, and poor gay person ought to be united in class struggle in order to oppose the influence of the wealthy. Usually, this sort of action was taken through leftist political organization, and solidarity emerged. Today, however, race and gender take front and center while class falls to the side, until you reach the point where the liberal establishment in London defended a passable Turkish girl who grew up in a 500,000 pound London flat barring all white men from a diversity meeting because of their purported 'privilege.'

The power balance is shifting to the point where the 'in-group' of the left consists of well-educated, often middle or upper-middle class self-perceived victims. Membership in this group, and the protection offered by the hijacked, traditionally leftist institutions, is not determined by socioeconomic class (which is by far the most relevant consideration when it comes to opportunity and oppression) but by adherence to orthodoxy and obeisance towards those at the top of this new order. The result has been a huge divide in the once unified lower class, and a steady drift of lower class people over to the right. Essentially, the left has become gentrified, the lower class has been split politically and has lost its political influence, and there is a vast imbalance of power between classes.

In the end, the result will be a steady drift towards plutocracy and an empowerment of the ACTUAL patriarchal ruling class, which has never included or benefited lower class men to begin with. It's actually deliciously ironic when you detach yourself from the horror and stupidity of it all.
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11/11/2015 2:48:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 8:27:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
I will be honest right up front. I dont think political correctness is really a thing. I am always baffled when people complain about how PC society has become. Is there anyone that can explain to me how PC is harmful, and that it is actually a thing?
Here are some examples of political correctness being annoying and dangerous.
https://en.wikipedia.org...
http://www.foxnews.com...
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11/11/2015 2:55:08 AM
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Political correctness is usually annoying but can even be dangerous http://www.educationviews.org...
Besides the banning of holidays and words it also has allowed abuse to happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org...
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11/11/2015 3:04:14 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/11/2015 2:48:46 AM, Dilara wrote:
At 11/10/2015 8:27:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
I will be honest right up front. I dont think political correctness is really a thing. I am always baffled when people complain about how PC society has become. Is there anyone that can explain to me how PC is harmful, and that it is actually a thing?
Here are some examples of political correctness being annoying and dangerous.
https://en.wikipedia.org...
http://www.foxnews.com...

Yes, what happened to those girls, many under aged, in England was the definition of insanity. To sacrifice these kids because officials, including police, did not want to appear to be politically incorrect or racist absolutely boggles my mind. England in particular has lost its nerve and its mind, especially when it involves Muslims. There are many more examples, such as taking pigs out of children's books so as not to offend Muslims. All it takes is one Muslim, not 100's or 1000's, but one to say he or she is offended and everything stops in England and a false accommodation is made. Radical Islamists took over a number of schools in England and all sorts of abuse took place. It had to go all the way to Parliament before anything was done. In fact, the whole western world has this sickness. It's only going to get worse if we let the false elites continue to socially engineer us so we knuckle under.
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11/11/2015 4:46:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/11/2015 2:27:32 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 11/11/2015 2:11:26 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 11/11/2015 2:06:36 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 11/11/2015 1:55:25 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 11/11/2015 1:45:05 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 11/10/2015 8:27:22 PM, kasmic wrote:
I will be honest right up front. I dont think political correctness is really a thing. I am always baffled when people complain about how PC society has become. Is there anyone that can explain to me how PC is harmful, and that it is actually a thing?

This is why I heavily dislike the new PC culture:

http://www.theatlantic.com...

If someone believes something reprehensible, they should be upfront about it, so that I can challenge them. When it comes to bad ideas, sunlight is the best disinfectant, and censorship doesn't help anyone. Neither does this new cringing, pathological way of dealing with intellectual confrontation.

- HOLY SH*T. Man, I knew exactly what you were going to say!

Ha, did you read that article?

- I did, just now in fact. It was like reading a comedy.

It's really terrible how insipid and ineffectual Western colleges are making young people.

- Both of us being students of History, what future outcome would you predict for these idiotic & suffocating practices?

This is actually one of my unorthodox beliefs, but I think that this sort of thing is going to eviscerate the left. From the days of Ancient Rome, Western society has functioned best when the lower and upper classes were balanced in their conflict, and checked one another's excesses. This campus PC culture represents, essentially, the death of the lower class's influence. The destitute have influence when they act in unity, but things like intersectional privilege theory all but erase the recognition of class. For example, the poor black person, poor white person, and poor gay person ought to be united in class struggle in order to oppose the influence of the wealthy. Usually, this sort of action was taken through leftist political organization, and solidarity emerged. Today, however, race and gender take front and center while class falls to the side, until you reach the point where the liberal establishment in London defended a passable Turkish girl who grew up in a 500,000 pound London flat barring all white men from a diversity meeting because of their purported 'privilege.'

The power balance is shifting to the point where the 'in-group' of the left consists of well-educated, often middle or upper-middle class self-perceived victims. Membership in this group, and the protection offered by the hijacked, traditionally leftist institutions, is not determined by socioeconomic class (which is by far the most relevant consideration when it comes to opportunity and oppression) but by adherence to orthodoxy and obeisance towards those at the top of this new order. The result has been a huge divide in the once unified lower class, and a steady drift of lower class people over to the right. Essentially, the left has become gentrified, the lower class has been split politically and has lost its political influence, and there is a vast imbalance of power between classes.

In the end, the result will be a steady drift towards plutocracy and an empowerment of the ACTUAL patriarchal ruling class, which has never included or benefited lower class men to begin with. It's actually deliciously ironic when you detach yourself from the horror and stupidity of it all.

Interesting analysis. This seems like a more in-depth version of what Bill Maher has been chipping away at-- that many working class people end up voting against their own economic interests because the left comprises so many obnoxiously self-righteous groups who focus on the 10% differences rather than the 90% commonality. As an example, he mentions the strict vegan who condemns the vegetarian for eating cheese.
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