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11/26/2015 3:46:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
http://www.newsweek.com...

Saudi Arabia's justice ministry plans to sue a Twitter user who compared the death sentence handed down on Friday to a Palestinian poet to the punishments meted out by Islamic State, a major government-aligned newspaper reported on Wednesday.

"The justice ministry will sue the person who described ... the sentencing of a man to death for apostasy as being `ISIS-like'," the newspaper Al-Riyadh quoted a source in the justice ministry as saying.

Please, let us all come together and reflect on how similar, if not practically identical, the Saudi Government is to ISIS.
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11/26/2015 3:54:05 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/26/2015 3:46:15 AM, YYW wrote:

Please, let us all come together and reflect on how similar, if not practically identical, the Saudi Government is to ISIS.

There are a few key differences though. First, the Saudis have cuddled up the USA, so we see them as allies. Second, the Saudis are one of the largest oil producers in the world. Syria isn't quite up there, nor are the western deserts of Iraq.

Should we in your opinion only support governments that hold our values -- say freedom, liberal democracy, and human rights?
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11/26/2015 3:54:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/26/2015 3:54:05 AM, Contra wrote:
At 11/26/2015 3:46:15 AM, YYW wrote:

Please, let us all come together and reflect on how similar, if not practically identical, the Saudi Government is to ISIS.

There are a few key differences though. First, the Saudis have cuddled up the USA, so we see them as allies. Second, the Saudis are one of the largest oil producers in the world. Syria isn't quite up there, nor are the western deserts of Iraq.

Should we in your opinion only support governments that hold our values -- say freedom, liberal democracy, and human rights?

Read the article.
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11/26/2015 3:55:30 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/26/2015 3:54:39 AM, YYW wrote:
At 11/26/2015 3:54:05 AM, Contra wrote:
At 11/26/2015 3:46:15 AM, YYW wrote:

Please, let us all come together and reflect on how similar, if not practically identical, the Saudi Government is to ISIS.

There are a few key differences though. First, the Saudis have cuddled up the USA, so we see them as allies. Second, the Saudis are one of the largest oil producers in the world. Syria isn't quite up there, nor are the western deserts of Iraq.

Should we in your opinion only support governments that hold our values -- say freedom, liberal democracy, and human rights?

Read the article.

I've already read my 5 free articles for the month :(
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11/26/2015 3:55:32 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/26/2015 3:46:15 AM, YYW wrote:
Please, let us all come together and reflect on how similar, if not practically identical, the Saudi Government is to ISIS.

Worst. If the UN had any backbone, they would be arresting officers for the planned war crimes being committed in Yemen, that have resulted in the deaths of the nearly 4000 people killed there.

Even they caved in and lowered all the initial findings from Human rights organizations coming out of the country to be more aligned with "Saudi" intelligence.
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11/26/2015 4:00:12 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/26/2015 3:55:30 AM, Contra wrote:
At 11/26/2015 3:54:39 AM, YYW wrote:
At 11/26/2015 3:54:05 AM, Contra wrote:
At 11/26/2015 3:46:15 AM, YYW wrote:

Please, let us all come together and reflect on how similar, if not practically identical, the Saudi Government is to ISIS.

There are a few key differences though. First, the Saudis have cuddled up the USA, so we see them as allies. Second, the Saudis are one of the largest oil producers in the world. Syria isn't quite up there, nor are the western deserts of Iraq.

Should we in your opinion only support governments that hold our values -- say freedom, liberal democracy, and human rights?

Read the article.

I've already read my 5 free articles for the month :(

The article's point is that the Saudi Government is going to sue a twitter user who compared their executing a poet to being something like what ISIS would do.

Fvck the Saudis.
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11/26/2015 4:05:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/26/2015 3:46:15 AM, YYW wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com...

Saudi Arabia's justice ministry plans to sue a Twitter user who compared the death sentence handed down on Friday to a Palestinian poet to the punishments meted out by Islamic State, a major government-aligned newspaper reported on Wednesday.

"The justice ministry will sue the person who described ... the sentencing of a man to death for apostasy as being `ISIS-like'," the newspaper Al-Riyadh quoted a source in the justice ministry as saying.

Please, let us all come together and reflect on how similar, if not practically identical, the Saudi Government is to ISIS.

- The Saudi government, its highest authority at least, is a corrupt regime. ISIS are the opposite of corrupt. Maybe in ideology, ISIS & Wahabism have a lot of similarities between them. In fact, one engendered the other.
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11/26/2015 4:07:10 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/26/2015 4:00:12 AM, YYW wrote:

The article's point is that the Saudi Government is going to sue a twitter user who compared their executing a poet to being something like what ISIS would do.

- What's wrong with that?! People sue others for much more ridiculous pretexts.
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11/26/2015 4:07:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
There are many situations where it is essential for the U.S. to jump in the proverbial bed with nations with values contrary to our own.
People say that Saudi Arabia can get away with anything, even sponsoring the terrorists that our troops are fighting, because of the importance of maintaining good relations with Saudi Arabia. We are dependent on Saudi Arabia for oil, there aren't a lot of alternatives unless you want to start drilling massively here in the U.S (Liberals don't like that idea for various reasons), and they're increasingly important in countering Iran in the Middle East.
South Vietnam was the same way; they were hardly better than the other side, but at least they were our allies and not our enemies. Letting the corrupt South Vietnamese government fall would make the Soviets more likely to win the Cold War, and at the time we were concerned about the Domino Effect.
Turkey's ambitions are anti-Kurdish despite the U.S's Kurd-friendly foreign policy. We can't give Turkey the boot because they're far too important an ally and if they cut ties with NATO they may align themselves with Russia (as might Saudi Arabia if we cut ties with them).
Basically we have to tolerate our allies because the current system is a lesser of two evils.
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11/26/2015 4:08:49 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/26/2015 4:05:57 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 11/26/2015 3:46:15 AM, YYW wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com...

Saudi Arabia's justice ministry plans to sue a Twitter user who compared the death sentence handed down on Friday to a Palestinian poet to the punishments meted out by Islamic State, a major government-aligned newspaper reported on Wednesday.

"The justice ministry will sue the person who described ... the sentencing of a man to death for apostasy as being `ISIS-like'," the newspaper Al-Riyadh quoted a source in the justice ministry as saying.

Please, let us all come together and reflect on how similar, if not practically identical, the Saudi Government is to ISIS.

- The Saudi government, its highest authority at least, is a corrupt regime. ISIS are the opposite of corrupt. Maybe in ideology, ISIS & Wahabism have a lot of similarities between them. In fact, one engendered the other.

We can agree in our contempt and disdain for the Saudi government.
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11/26/2015 4:14:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/26/2015 4:05:57 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 11/26/2015 3:46:15 AM, YYW wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com...

Saudi Arabia's justice ministry plans to sue a Twitter user who compared the death sentence handed down on Friday to a Palestinian poet to the punishments meted out by Islamic State, a major government-aligned newspaper reported on Wednesday.

"The justice ministry will sue the person who described ... the sentencing of a man to death for apostasy as being `ISIS-like'," the newspaper Al-Riyadh quoted a source in the justice ministry as saying.

Please, let us all come together and reflect on how similar, if not practically identical, the Saudi Government is to ISIS.

- The Saudi government, its highest authority at least, is a corrupt regime. ISIS are the opposite of corrupt. Maybe in ideology, ISIS & Wahabism have a lot of similarities between them. In fact, one engendered the other.

You still have to agree that ISIS is a fanatical extremist group though, right? Killing fellow Muslims, conducting suicide bombings, and killing peaceful non-believers are all against the Quran.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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11/26/2015 4:15:05 AM
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I recently read an article making the same point -- It may be of interest: http://www.nytimes.com...
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11/26/2015 4:19:14 AM
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At 11/26/2015 4:15:05 AM, 000ike wrote:
I recently read an article making the same point -- It may be of interest: http://www.nytimes.com...

Interesting.
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11/26/2015 4:22:11 AM
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At 11/26/2015 4:14:26 AM, Contra wrote:
At 11/26/2015 4:05:57 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 11/26/2015 3:46:15 AM, YYW wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com...

Saudi Arabia's justice ministry plans to sue a Twitter user who compared the death sentence handed down on Friday to a Palestinian poet to the punishments meted out by Islamic State, a major government-aligned newspaper reported on Wednesday.

"The justice ministry will sue the person who described ... the sentencing of a man to death for apostasy as being `ISIS-like'," the newspaper Al-Riyadh quoted a source in the justice ministry as saying.

Please, let us all come together and reflect on how similar, if not practically identical, the Saudi Government is to ISIS.

- The Saudi government, its highest authority at least, is a corrupt regime. ISIS are the opposite of corrupt. Maybe in ideology, ISIS & Wahabism have a lot of similarities between them. In fact, one engendered the other.

You still have to agree that ISIS is a fanatical extremist group though, right? Killing fellow Muslims, conducting suicide bombings, and killing peaceful non-believers are all against the Quran.

- What are you talking about?! ISIS are peace loving, nature honouring, law abiding compassionate people.
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11/26/2015 4:39:05 AM
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At 11/26/2015 3:46:15 AM, YYW wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com...

Saudi Arabia's justice ministry plans to sue a Twitter user who compared the death sentence handed down on Friday to a Palestinian poet to the punishments meted out by Islamic State, a major government-aligned newspaper reported on Wednesday.

"The justice ministry will sue the person who described ... the sentencing of a man to death for apostasy as being `ISIS-like'," the newspaper Al-Riyadh quoted a source in the justice ministry as saying.

Please, let us all come together and reflect on how similar, if not practically identical, the Saudi Government is to ISIS.

Where are they going to attempt to sue. I doubt they'll get a court date in the West. You can't expect the Saudis to understand free speech. Every criticism directed at them is warranted. They are one of the worst regimes on the planet.
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11/26/2015 4:40:58 AM
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At 11/26/2015 4:39:05 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 11/26/2015 3:46:15 AM, YYW wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com...

Saudi Arabia's justice ministry plans to sue a Twitter user who compared the death sentence handed down on Friday to a Palestinian poet to the punishments meted out by Islamic State, a major government-aligned newspaper reported on Wednesday.

"The justice ministry will sue the person who described ... the sentencing of a man to death for apostasy as being `ISIS-like'," the newspaper Al-Riyadh quoted a source in the justice ministry as saying.

Please, let us all come together and reflect on how similar, if not practically identical, the Saudi Government is to ISIS.

Where are they going to attempt to sue. I doubt they'll get a court date in the West. You can't expect the Saudis to understand free speech. Every criticism directed at them is warranted. They are one of the worst regimes on the planet.

Saudi Arabia is an ISIS that "made it." Fvck the Saudis.
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11/26/2015 4:43:45 AM
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At 11/26/2015 4:22:11 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 11/26/2015 4:14:26 AM, Contra wrote:
At 11/26/2015 4:05:57 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 11/26/2015 3:46:15 AM, YYW wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com...

Saudi Arabia's justice ministry plans to sue a Twitter user who compared the death sentence handed down on Friday to a Palestinian poet to the punishments meted out by Islamic State, a major government-aligned newspaper reported on Wednesday.

"The justice ministry will sue the person who described ... the sentencing of a man to death for apostasy as being `ISIS-like'," the newspaper Al-Riyadh quoted a source in the justice ministry as saying.

Please, let us all come together and reflect on how similar, if not practically identical, the Saudi Government is to ISIS.

- The Saudi government, its highest authority at least, is a corrupt regime. ISIS are the opposite of corrupt. Maybe in ideology, ISIS & Wahabism have a lot of similarities between them. In fact, one engendered the other.

You still have to agree that ISIS is a fanatical extremist group though, right? Killing fellow Muslims, conducting suicide bombings, and killing peaceful non-believers are all against the Quran.

- What are you talking about?! ISIS are peace loving, nature honouring, law abiding compassionate people.

They've beheaded American journalists, systematically murdered Shi'a Muslims and Iraqi's Yazidis, in addition to others, and children are also murdered. They've forced women to become sex slaves. They have "bomb trucks" which are reinforced so that they are difficult to destroy and the detonate up close to the enemy. They resort to smuggling, extortion, and fundraising (from Sunnis, mostly in the Gulf and elsewhere) to fund their operation... in addition to their oil revenues. They committed the terrorist attack in Paris. They've destroyed multiple historical sites.

From what I know, Islam is a religion of love. How the hell would this be considered Islam? They've taken al Qaeda's philosophy and put it on steroids.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

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11/26/2015 4:45:57 AM
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At 11/26/2015 4:07:54 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
There are many situations where it is essential for the U.S. to jump in the proverbial bed with nations with values contrary to our own.

Basically we have to tolerate our allies because the current system is a lesser of two evils.

I feel like this is the ugly reality we have to face, so I'd have to agree.
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11/26/2015 4:52:57 AM
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At 11/26/2015 4:43:45 AM, Contra wrote:

They've beheaded American journalists, systematically murdered Shi'a Muslims and Iraqi's Yazidis, in addition to others, and children are also murdered. They've forced women to become sex slaves. They have "bomb trucks" which are reinforced so that they are difficult to destroy and the detonate up close to the enemy. They resort to smuggling, extortion, and fundraising (from Sunnis, mostly in the Gulf and elsewhere) to fund their operation... in addition to their oil revenues. They committed the terrorist attack in Paris. They've destroyed multiple historical sites.

- Dude, I was being sarcastic... -_-

From what I know, Islam is a religion of love.

- True, like the other world's great religion.

How the hell would this be considered Islam?

- Indeed.

They've taken al Qaeda's philosophy and put it on steroids.

- LOL! That was seriously funny.
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11/26/2015 4:58:40 AM
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At 11/26/2015 4:52:57 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 11/26/2015 4:43:45 AM, Contra wrote:

They've beheaded American journalists, systematically murdered Shi'a Muslims and Iraqi's Yazidis, in addition to others, and children are also murdered. They've forced women to become sex slaves. They have "bomb trucks" which are reinforced so that they are difficult to destroy and the detonate up close to the enemy. They resort to smuggling, extortion, and fundraising (from Sunnis, mostly in the Gulf and elsewhere) to fund their operation... in addition to their oil revenues. They committed the terrorist attack in Paris. They've destroyed multiple historical sites.

- Dude, I was being sarcastic... -_-

Ok I was hoping that but I wasn't sure xD
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan