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10/1/2010 9:50:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I discuss political issues with both teaches and peers at my school, and many of them feel that Libertarianism looks good on paper but does not execute properly in reality.

I fail to understand their viewpoint. Libertarianism (in some ways) combines the better stances of the Republican party and those of the Democratic party that we have witnessed throughout the ages.

Libertarianism just seems to make sense. Heighten individual rights, reduce government regulation. Why does it seem to me that more people than not are against libertarian politics?
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10/1/2010 9:53:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 9:50:22 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I discuss political issues with both teaches and peers at my school, and many of them feel that Libertarianism looks good on paper but does not execute properly in reality.

I fail to understand their viewpoint. Libertarianism (in some ways) combines the better stances of the Republican party and those of the Democratic party that we have witnessed throughout the ages.

Libertarianism just seems to make sense. Heighten individual rights, reduce government regulation. Why does it seem to me that more people than not are against libertarian politics?

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10/1/2010 9:54:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Because they haven't read Rothbard.
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10/1/2010 9:58:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 9:50:22 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I discuss political issues with both teaches and peers at my school, and many of them feel that Libertarianism looks good on paper but does not execute properly in reality.

I fail to understand their viewpoint. Libertarianism (in some ways) combines the better stances of the Republican party and those of the Democratic party that we have witnessed throughout the ages.

Libertarianism just seems to make sense. Heighten individual rights, reduce government regulation. Why does it seem to me that more people than not are against libertarian politics?

because the evil corporations want to screw us over and only the government can stop them. libertarians believe in freedom for the rich and enslavement for the rest of us. also without government regulations we will all be killed/poisoned by the products we buy cause no one is stopping those evil corporations from making sh*tty products. all they care about is profit. etc.
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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10/1/2010 10:00:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 9:58:19 PM, belle wrote:
At 10/1/2010 9:50:22 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I discuss political issues with both teaches and peers at my school, and many of them feel that Libertarianism looks good on paper but does not execute properly in reality.

I fail to understand their viewpoint. Libertarianism (in some ways) combines the better stances of the Republican party and those of the Democratic party that we have witnessed throughout the ages.

Libertarianism just seems to make sense. Heighten individual rights, reduce government regulation. Why does it seem to me that more people than not are against libertarian politics?

because the evil corporations want to screw us over and only the government can stop them.

Examples.

libertarians believe in freedom for the rich and enslavement for the rest of us.

Examples.

also without government regulations we will all be killed/poisoned by the products we buy cause no one is stopping those evil corporations from making sh*tty products. all they care about is profit. etc.

Examples.
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10/1/2010 10:03:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Oh yeah all of those are the reasons I never tend to actually like libertarianism.
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10/1/2010 10:03:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 10:00:47 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 10/1/2010 9:58:19 PM, belle wrote:
At 10/1/2010 9:50:22 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I discuss political issues with both teaches and peers at my school, and many of them feel that Libertarianism looks good on paper but does not execute properly in reality.

I fail to understand their viewpoint. Libertarianism (in some ways) combines the better stances of the Republican party and those of the Democratic party that we have witnessed throughout the ages.

Libertarianism just seems to make sense. Heighten individual rights, reduce government regulation. Why does it seem to me that more people than not are against libertarian politics?

because the evil corporations want to screw us over and only the government can stop them.

Examples.

libertarians believe in freedom for the rich and enslavement for the rest of us.

Examples.

also without government regulations we will all be killed/poisoned by the products we buy cause no one is stopping those evil corporations from making sh*tty products. all they care about is profit. etc.

Examples.

1. lrn2quote. its really annoying the way you keep f*cking it up.
2. lrn2profile. i am a libertarian from san francisco who went to a liberal catholic high school. i was satirizing the views i tend to encounter around here....
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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10/1/2010 10:04:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 10:03:16 PM, lovelife wrote:
Oh yeah all of those are the reasons I never tend to actually like libertarianism.

Don't be hating on those who know how to become rich. Hate on those who hate the rich simply because the former could not become what they so desire.
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10/1/2010 10:05:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 10:04:34 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Don't be hating on those who know how to become rich.

By stealing?
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10/1/2010 10:05:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 10:04:34 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 10/1/2010 10:03:16 PM, lovelife wrote:
Oh yeah all of those are the reasons I never tend to actually like libertarianism.

Don't be hating on those who know how to become rich. Hate on those who hate the rich simply because the former could not become what they so desire.

to be fair, many who "become rich" (or at least remain rich) in the current system do so because of government subsidies or special protections, and theres really nothing praiseworthy about those people...
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10/1/2010 10:07:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 10:05:50 PM, belle wrote:
At 10/1/2010 10:04:34 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 10/1/2010 10:03:16 PM, lovelife wrote:
Oh yeah all of those are the reasons I never tend to actually like libertarianism.

Don't be hating on those who know how to become rich. Hate on those who hate the rich simply because the former could not become what they so desire.

to be fair, many who "become rich" (or at least remain rich) in the current system do so because of government subsidies or special protections, and theres really nothing praiseworthy about those people...

Exactly.
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10/1/2010 10:07:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 10:03:53 PM, belle wrote:
At 10/1/2010 10:00:47 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 10/1/2010 9:58:19 PM, belle wrote:
At 10/1/2010 9:50:22 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I discuss political issues with both teaches and peers at my school, and many of them feel that Libertarianism looks good on paper but does not execute properly in reality.

I fail to understand their viewpoint. Libertarianism (in some ways) combines the better stances of the Republican party and those of the Democratic party that we have witnessed throughout the ages.

Libertarianism just seems to make sense. Heighten individual rights, reduce government regulation. Why does it seem to me that more people than not are against libertarian politics?

because the evil corporations want to screw us over and only the government can stop them.

Examples.

libertarians believe in freedom for the rich and enslavement for the rest of us.

Examples.

also without government regulations we will all be killed/poisoned by the products we buy cause no one is stopping those evil corporations from making sh*tty products. all they care about is profit. etc.

Examples.

1. lrn2quote. its really annoying the way you keep f*cking it up.

This is not a good enough reason. Besides, why should I comply to wishes that really are meager? I'll quote the way I feel like quoting.

2. lrn2profile. i am a libertarian from san francisco who went to a liberal catholic high school. i was satirizing the views i tend to encounter around here....

I supposed you were being sardonic. It seemed that your were trying to sound absurd.

Why should I look at your profile when I can simply comment here? Are you trying again to comply me to your wishes?
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10/1/2010 10:08:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 9:58:19 PM, belle wrote:
At 10/1/2010 9:50:22 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I discuss political issues with both teaches and peers at my school, and many of them feel that Libertarianism looks good on paper but does not execute properly in reality.

I fail to understand their viewpoint. Libertarianism (in some ways) combines the better stances of the Republican party and those of the Democratic party that we have witnessed throughout the ages.

Libertarianism just seems to make sense. Heighten individual rights, reduce government regulation. Why does it seem to me that more people than not are against libertarian politics?

because the evil corporations want to screw us over and only the government can stop them. libertarians believe in freedom for the rich and enslavement for the rest of us. also without government regulations we will all be killed/poisoned by the products we buy cause no one is stopping those evil corporations from making sh*tty products. all they care about is profit. etc.

That. enslavement for the rest of us. Stealing from the poor to give to the rich. If they actually earn it fine, but if theft is happening Robbin Hood is the way to go.
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10/1/2010 10:08:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 10:07:49 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Why should I look at your profile when I can simply comment here? Are you trying again to comply me to your wishes?

hey, you listened to me the first time :P
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studentathletechristian8
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10/1/2010 10:09:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 10:05:47 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 10/1/2010 10:04:34 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Don't be hating on those who know how to become rich.

By stealing?

In general. Don't jump to negatory conclusions. Of course I mean those who have acquired wealth from an honest living. And those that have not, well, I would have to read about exactly how they obtained their wealth before making a decision.
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10/1/2010 10:09:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 10:07:49 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
butthurt
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10/1/2010 10:11:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 10:08:33 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/1/2010 9:58:19 PM, belle wrote:
At 10/1/2010 9:50:22 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I discuss political issues with both teaches and peers at my school, and many of them feel that Libertarianism looks good on paper but does not execute properly in reality.

I fail to understand their viewpoint. Libertarianism (in some ways) combines the better stances of the Republican party and those of the Democratic party that we have witnessed throughout the ages.

Libertarianism just seems to make sense. Heighten individual rights, reduce government regulation. Why does it seem to me that more people than not are against libertarian politics?

because the evil corporations want to screw us over and only the government can stop them. libertarians believe in freedom for the rich and enslavement for the rest of us. also without government regulations we will all be killed/poisoned by the products we buy cause no one is stopping those evil corporations from making sh*tty products. all they care about is profit. etc.

That. enslavement for the rest of us. Stealing from the poor to give to the rich.

Belle was being sarcastic. Fail.

If they actually earn it fine.

Cool, so you're a libertarian.
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10/1/2010 10:11:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 10:08:33 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/1/2010 9:58:19 PM, belle wrote:
At 10/1/2010 9:50:22 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I discuss political issues with both teaches and peers at my school, and many of them feel that Libertarianism looks good on paper but does not execute properly in reality.

I fail to understand their viewpoint. Libertarianism (in some ways) combines the better stances of the Republican party and those of the Democratic party that we have witnessed throughout the ages.

Libertarianism just seems to make sense. Heighten individual rights, reduce government regulation. Why does it seem to me that more people than not are against libertarian politics?

because the evil corporations want to screw us over and only the government can stop them. libertarians believe in freedom for the rich and enslavement for the rest of us. also without government regulations we will all be killed/poisoned by the products we buy cause no one is stopping those evil corporations from making sh*tty products. all they care about is profit. etc.

That. enslavement for the rest of us. Stealing from the poor to give to the rich. If they actually earn it fine, but if theft is happening Robbin Hood is the way to go.

Bullcrap. Under no circumstances should anything near the equivalency of "Robin Hood" economics occur. It's simply a transfer of money; it does nothing in the long-term, and it only hurts those who have worked for their money.
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10/1/2010 10:13:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 10:11:04 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 10/1/2010 10:08:33 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/1/2010 9:58:19 PM, belle wrote:
At 10/1/2010 9:50:22 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I discuss political issues with both teaches and peers at my school, and many of them feel that Libertarianism looks good on paper but does not execute properly in reality.

I fail to understand their viewpoint. Libertarianism (in some ways) combines the better stances of the Republican party and those of the Democratic party that we have witnessed throughout the ages.

Libertarianism just seems to make sense. Heighten individual rights, reduce government regulation. Why does it seem to me that more people than not are against libertarian politics?

because the evil corporations want to screw us over and only the government can stop them. libertarians believe in freedom for the rich and enslavement for the rest of us. also without government regulations we will all be killed/poisoned by the products we buy cause no one is stopping those evil corporations from making sh*tty products. all they care about is profit. etc.

That. enslavement for the rest of us. Stealing from the poor to give to the rich.

Belle was being sarcastic. Fail.

If they actually earn it fine.

Cool, so you're a libertarian.

Doubt it. I really think I'm socialist.
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10/1/2010 10:13:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 9:50:22 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I discuss political issues with both teaches and peers at my school, and many of them feel that Libertarianism looks good on paper but does not execute properly in reality.

I fail to understand their viewpoint. Libertarianism (in some ways) combines the better stances of the Republican party and those of the Democratic party that we have witnessed throughout the ages.

Libertarianism just seems to make sense. Heighten individual rights, reduce government regulation. Why does it seem to me that more people than not are against libertarian politics?

The government provides services funded by theft, while private businesses must convince their customers to buy their products. Government kills and destroys through war; business provides food, shelter, medicine, and nearly everything else. Businesses provide jobs (for most people), government takes money from people with jobs. But most people believe that government is good, that it is what is protecting us from those evil businessmen. The facts don't matter, people just feel that way.

I think a root cause is growing up in a statist society. Taxes and other government interventions don't seem like an affront to freedom to most people, because they've always been there. A lot of people can't imagine a radically different society.

Another reason is the public school system. Do you remember learning that FDR's New Deal and WWII got us out of the Great Depression? Or that Herbert Hoover was a laissez-faire conservative? Or how about learning that the atomic bombing of Japan was necessary because the only alternative was a land invasion that would have cost millions of lives? Did you learn that workers lived horrible lives during the 19th century, and they only started moving up economically once the government stepped in to protect them from those evil businessmen? All of those things, and much of the rest of what is taught in American history classrooms, are complete BS. Everyone's taught their whole life that government intervention is necessary, that it is good, that our government fights wars to protect us. It's hard for most people to reject the version of reality they've believed their whole life.
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10/1/2010 10:14:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 10:11:06 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 10/1/2010 10:08:33 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/1/2010 9:58:19 PM, belle wrote:
At 10/1/2010 9:50:22 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I discuss political issues with both teaches and peers at my school, and many of them feel that Libertarianism looks good on paper but does not execute properly in reality.

I fail to understand their viewpoint. Libertarianism (in some ways) combines the better stances of the Republican party and those of the Democratic party that we have witnessed throughout the ages.

Libertarianism just seems to make sense. Heighten individual rights, reduce government regulation. Why does it seem to me that more people than not are against libertarian politics?

because the evil corporations want to screw us over and only the government can stop them. libertarians believe in freedom for the rich and enslavement for the rest of us. also without government regulations we will all be killed/poisoned by the products we buy cause no one is stopping those evil corporations from making sh*tty products. all they care about is profit. etc.

That. enslavement for the rest of us. Stealing from the poor to give to the rich. If they actually earn it fine, but if theft is happening Robbin Hood is the way to go.

Bullcrap. Under no circumstances should anything near the equivalency of "Robin Hood" economics occur.

Beats reverse Robin Hood.
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10/1/2010 10:16:41 PM
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At 10/1/2010 10:13:52 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 10/1/2010 9:50:22 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I discuss political issues with both teaches and peers at my school, and many of them feel that Libertarianism looks good on paper but does not execute properly in reality.

I fail to understand their viewpoint. Libertarianism (in some ways) combines the better stances of the Republican party and those of the Democratic party that we have witnessed throughout the ages.

Libertarianism just seems to make sense. Heighten individual rights, reduce government regulation. Why does it seem to me that more people than not are against libertarian politics?

The government provides services funded by theft, while private businesses must convince their customers to buy their products. Government kills and destroys through war; business provides food, shelter, medicine, and nearly everything else. Businesses provide jobs (for most people), government takes money from people with jobs. But most people believe that government is good, that it is what is protecting us from those evil businessmen. The facts don't matter, people just feel that way.

I think a root cause is growing up in a statist society. Taxes and other government interventions don't seem like an affront to freedom to most people, because they've always been there. A lot of people can't imagine a radically different society.

Another reason is the public school system. Do you remember learning that FDR's New Deal and WWII got us out of the Great Depression? Or that Herbert Hoover was a laissez-faire conservative? Or how about learning that the atomic bombing of Japan was necessary because the only alternative was a land invasion that would have cost millions of lives? Did you learn that workers lived horrible lives during the 19th century, and they only started moving up economically once the government stepped in to protect them from those evil businessmen? All of those things, and much of the rest of what is taught in American history classrooms, are complete BS. Everyone's taught their whole life that government intervention is necessary, that it is good, that our government fights wars to protect us. It's hard for most people to reject the version of reality they've believed their whole life.

True. However, I would like to state that many history teachers I have encountered do not teach that the New Deal was responsible for taking us out of the Great Depression. In fact, many teachers I know do not give much credibility to the policies of the New Deal.

No worries. We shall one day win the hearts of the logically-minded individuals. We shall conquer in the proceeding generations.
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10/1/2010 10:16:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 10:11:06 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Bullcrap. Under no circumstances should anything near the equivalency of "Robin Hood" economics occur.

He "robbed" from the government, and returned the money to the taxpayers from whence it had been stolen.
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10/1/2010 10:17:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 10:13:35 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/1/2010 10:11:04 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 10/1/2010 10:08:33 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/1/2010 9:58:19 PM, belle wrote:
At 10/1/2010 9:50:22 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I discuss political issues with both teaches and peers at my school, and many of them feel that Libertarianism looks good on paper but does not execute properly in reality.

I fail to understand their viewpoint. Libertarianism (in some ways) combines the better stances of the Republican party and those of the Democratic party that we have witnessed throughout the ages.

Libertarianism just seems to make sense. Heighten individual rights, reduce government regulation. Why does it seem to me that more people than not are against libertarian politics?

because the evil corporations want to screw us over and only the government can stop them. libertarians believe in freedom for the rich and enslavement for the rest of us. also without government regulations we will all be killed/poisoned by the products we buy cause no one is stopping those evil corporations from making sh*tty products. all they care about is profit. etc.

That. enslavement for the rest of us. Stealing from the poor to give to the rich.

Belle was being sarcastic. Fail.

If they actually earn it fine.

Cool, so you're a libertarian.

Doubt it. I really think I'm socialist.

I'm a libertarian and a socialist.
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10/1/2010 10:18:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 10:13:35 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/1/2010 10:11:04 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:

Cool, so you're a libertarian.

Doubt it. I really think I'm socialist.

You're contradicting yourself.
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10/1/2010 10:18:57 PM
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At 10/1/2010 10:16:58 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 10/1/2010 10:11:06 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Bullcrap. Under no circumstances should anything near the equivalency of "Robin Hood" economics occur.

He "robbed" from the government, and returned the money to the taxpayers from whence it had been stolen.

I'm talking about the rich class vs. poor class controversy.

In the case of robbing from the government, well, that is initially the fault of the taxpayers. If people had been more unified, they could have created a newer government that generates revenue in another manner.
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10/1/2010 10:19:03 PM
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At 10/1/2010 10:17:46 PM, Reasoning wrote:
I'm a libertarian and a socialist.

Just to be clear, how exactly do you define 'socialist'?
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: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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10/1/2010 10:19:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/1/2010 10:17:46 PM, Reasoning wrote:
I'm a libertarian masquerading as a socialist.

Although I still haven't figured out why.