Total Posts:28|Showing Posts:1-28
Jump to topic:

Obama's Climate Agenda

bsh1
Posts: 27,504
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/28/2015 10:27:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Should Congress continue to stymie Obama's efforts [http://news.yahoo.com...] or should it work with him to pass legislation? Do you think Obama will walk away with a deal in Paris? Do you think the deal will survive? Do you support his executive actions on the topic? Any other related thoughts?
Live Long and Prosper

I'm a Bish.


"Twilight isn't just about obtuse metaphors between cannibalism and premarital sex, it also teaches us the futility of hope." - Raisor

"[Bsh1] is the Guinan of DDO." - ButterCatX

Follow the DDOlympics
: http://www.debate.org...

Open Debate Topics Project: http://www.debate.org...
Vox_Veritas
Posts: 7,078
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/28/2015 10:48:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/28/2015 10:27:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Should Congress continue to stymie Obama's efforts [http://news.yahoo.com...] or should it work with him to pass legislation? Do you think Obama will walk away with a deal in Paris? Do you think the deal will survive? Do you support his executive actions on the topic? Any other related thoughts?

I don't know, but notice how the media in this instance has dropped even the pretension of nonpartisanship. People like Josh Lederman and Seth Borenstein are what's wrong with contemporary journalism. There's no professionalism here whatsoever.
Call me Vox, the Resident Contrarian of debate.org.

The DDO Blog:
https://debatedotorg.wordpress.com...

#drinkthecoffeenotthekoolaid
bsh1
Posts: 27,504
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/28/2015 10:49:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/28/2015 10:48:17 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:27:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Should Congress continue to stymie Obama's efforts [http://news.yahoo.com...] or should it work with him to pass legislation? Do you think Obama will walk away with a deal in Paris? Do you think the deal will survive? Do you support his executive actions on the topic? Any other related thoughts?

I don't know, but notice how the media in this instance has dropped even the pretension of nonpartisanship. People like Josh Lederman and Seth Borenstein are what's wrong with contemporary journalism. There's no professionalism here whatsoever.

I really hate it when substantive discussions get derailed by "I HATE THE MEDIA!" nonsense. We can make a separate thread for that.
Live Long and Prosper

I'm a Bish.


"Twilight isn't just about obtuse metaphors between cannibalism and premarital sex, it also teaches us the futility of hope." - Raisor

"[Bsh1] is the Guinan of DDO." - ButterCatX

Follow the DDOlympics
: http://www.debate.org...

Open Debate Topics Project: http://www.debate.org...
Vox_Veritas
Posts: 7,078
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/28/2015 10:54:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/28/2015 10:49:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:48:17 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:27:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Should Congress continue to stymie Obama's efforts [http://news.yahoo.com...] or should it work with him to pass legislation? Do you think Obama will walk away with a deal in Paris? Do you think the deal will survive? Do you support his executive actions on the topic? Any other related thoughts?

I don't know, but notice how the media in this instance has dropped even the pretension of nonpartisanship. People like Josh Lederman and Seth Borenstein are what's wrong with contemporary journalism. There's no professionalism here whatsoever.

I really hate it when substantive discussions get derailed by "I HATE THE MEDIA!" nonsense. We can make a separate thread for that.

But effin' look at it, man! "Undermine the President", "sowing doubt", etc. As pretty much the only way of being informed I kind of have to read their articles anyway, but the added baggage can be really annoying at times.

But to be more on-topic, I think that this deal is probably more fair based on the fact that it holds certain countries like China equally responsible as Western nations for carbon emissions.
Call me Vox, the Resident Contrarian of debate.org.

The DDO Blog:
https://debatedotorg.wordpress.com...

#drinkthecoffeenotthekoolaid
TBR
Posts: 9,991
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/28/2015 10:57:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/28/2015 10:54:34 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:49:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:48:17 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:27:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Should Congress continue to stymie Obama's efforts [http://news.yahoo.com...] or should it work with him to pass legislation? Do you think Obama will walk away with a deal in Paris? Do you think the deal will survive? Do you support his executive actions on the topic? Any other related thoughts?

I don't know, but notice how the media in this instance has dropped even the pretension of nonpartisanship. People like Josh Lederman and Seth Borenstein are what's wrong with contemporary journalism. There's no professionalism here whatsoever.

I really hate it when substantive discussions get derailed by "I HATE THE MEDIA!" nonsense. We can make a separate thread for that.

But effin' look at it, man! "Undermine the President", "sowing doubt", etc. As pretty much the only way of being informed I kind of have to read their articles anyway, but the added baggage can be really annoying at times.

But to be more on-topic, I think that this deal is probably more fair based on the fact that it holds certain countries like China equally responsible as Western nations for carbon emissions.

Please... What do you want them to say? Is there anything that would appease you?
Vox_Veritas
Posts: 7,078
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/28/2015 10:59:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/28/2015 10:57:05 PM, TBR wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:54:34 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:49:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:48:17 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:27:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Should Congress continue to stymie Obama's efforts [http://news.yahoo.com...] or should it work with him to pass legislation? Do you think Obama will walk away with a deal in Paris? Do you think the deal will survive? Do you support his executive actions on the topic? Any other related thoughts?

I don't know, but notice how the media in this instance has dropped even the pretension of nonpartisanship. People like Josh Lederman and Seth Borenstein are what's wrong with contemporary journalism. There's no professionalism here whatsoever.

I really hate it when substantive discussions get derailed by "I HATE THE MEDIA!" nonsense. We can make a separate thread for that.

But effin' look at it, man! "Undermine the President", "sowing doubt", etc. As pretty much the only way of being informed I kind of have to read their articles anyway, but the added baggage can be really annoying at times.

But to be more on-topic, I think that this deal is probably more fair based on the fact that it holds certain countries like China equally responsible as Western nations for carbon emissions.

Please... What do you want them to say? Is there anything that would appease you?

It'd be extremely easy for them to "appease" me. Simply state that Obama's going to wherever it is he's going to discuss a new deal. Describe the deal. Throw in a very differently worded mention of GOP opposition to his plans. Don't word it in such a way that makes the GOP look villainous or incompetent.
Call me Vox, the Resident Contrarian of debate.org.

The DDO Blog:
https://debatedotorg.wordpress.com...

#drinkthecoffeenotthekoolaid
TBR
Posts: 9,991
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/28/2015 11:01:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/28/2015 10:59:50 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:57:05 PM, TBR wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:54:34 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:49:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:48:17 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:27:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Should Congress continue to stymie Obama's efforts [http://news.yahoo.com...] or should it work with him to pass legislation? Do you think Obama will walk away with a deal in Paris? Do you think the deal will survive? Do you support his executive actions on the topic? Any other related thoughts?

I don't know, but notice how the media in this instance has dropped even the pretension of nonpartisanship. People like Josh Lederman and Seth Borenstein are what's wrong with contemporary journalism. There's no professionalism here whatsoever.

I really hate it when substantive discussions get derailed by "I HATE THE MEDIA!" nonsense. We can make a separate thread for that.

But effin' look at it, man! "Undermine the President", "sowing doubt", etc. As pretty much the only way of being informed I kind of have to read their articles anyway, but the added baggage can be really annoying at times.

But to be more on-topic, I think that this deal is probably more fair based on the fact that it holds certain countries like China equally responsible as Western nations for carbon emissions.

Please... What do you want them to say? Is there anything that would appease you?

It'd be extremely easy for them to "appease" me. Simply state that Obama's going to wherever it is he's going to discuss a new deal. Describe the deal. Throw in a very differently worded mention of GOP opposition to his plans. Don't word it in such a way that makes the GOP look villainous or incompetent.

Well, that's my question. Rewrite it. How would YOU put it. How would it please YOU.
Vox_Veritas
Posts: 7,078
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/28/2015 11:08:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/28/2015 11:01:06 PM, TBR wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:59:50 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:57:05 PM, TBR wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:54:34 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:49:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:48:17 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:27:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Should Congress continue to stymie Obama's efforts [http://news.yahoo.com...] or should it work with him to pass legislation? Do you think Obama will walk away with a deal in Paris? Do you think the deal will survive? Do you support his executive actions on the topic? Any other related thoughts?

I don't know, but notice how the media in this instance has dropped even the pretension of nonpartisanship. People like Josh Lederman and Seth Borenstein are what's wrong with contemporary journalism. There's no professionalism here whatsoever.

I really hate it when substantive discussions get derailed by "I HATE THE MEDIA!" nonsense. We can make a separate thread for that.

But effin' look at it, man! "Undermine the President", "sowing doubt", etc. As pretty much the only way of being informed I kind of have to read their articles anyway, but the added baggage can be really annoying at times.

But to be more on-topic, I think that this deal is probably more fair based on the fact that it holds certain countries like China equally responsible as Western nations for carbon emissions.

Please... What do you want them to say? Is there anything that would appease you?

It'd be extremely easy for them to "appease" me. Simply state that Obama's going to wherever it is he's going to discuss a new deal. Describe the deal. Throw in a very differently worded mention of GOP opposition to his plans. Don't word it in such a way that makes the GOP look villainous or incompetent.

Well, that's my question. Rewrite it. How would YOU put it. How would it please YOU.

I'm not going to rewrite the whole thing, but:
1st paragraph:
"Obama is set to join 150 heads of state in Paris this coming week to negotiate a landmark pact which would reduce carbon emissions despite predicted GOP-controlled congress's opposition to such an agreement."
There you go. A more neutral wording.
Call me Vox, the Resident Contrarian of debate.org.

The DDO Blog:
https://debatedotorg.wordpress.com...

#drinkthecoffeenotthekoolaid
TBR
Posts: 9,991
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/28/2015 11:13:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/28/2015 11:08:58 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 11:01:06 PM, TBR wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:59:50 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:57:05 PM, TBR wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:54:34 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:49:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:48:17 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:27:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Should Congress continue to stymie Obama's efforts [http://news.yahoo.com...] or should it work with him to pass legislation? Do you think Obama will walk away with a deal in Paris? Do you think the deal will survive? Do you support his executive actions on the topic? Any other related thoughts?

I don't know, but notice how the media in this instance has dropped even the pretension of nonpartisanship. People like Josh Lederman and Seth Borenstein are what's wrong with contemporary journalism. There's no professionalism here whatsoever.

I really hate it when substantive discussions get derailed by "I HATE THE MEDIA!" nonsense. We can make a separate thread for that.

But effin' look at it, man! "Undermine the President", "sowing doubt", etc. As pretty much the only way of being informed I kind of have to read their articles anyway, but the added baggage can be really annoying at times.

But to be more on-topic, I think that this deal is probably more fair based on the fact that it holds certain countries like China equally responsible as Western nations for carbon emissions.

Please... What do you want them to say? Is there anything that would appease you?

It'd be extremely easy for them to "appease" me. Simply state that Obama's going to wherever it is he's going to discuss a new deal. Describe the deal. Throw in a very differently worded mention of GOP opposition to his plans. Don't word it in such a way that makes the GOP look villainous or incompetent.

Well, that's my question. Rewrite it. How would YOU put it. How would it please YOU.

I'm not going to rewrite the whole thing, but:
1st paragraph:
"Obama is set to join 150 heads of state in Paris this coming week to negotiate a landmark pact which would reduce carbon emissions despite predicted GOP-controlled congress's opposition to such an agreement."
There you go. A more neutral wording.

Sounds like you are looking for some P.C. form of journalism.
Greyparrot
Posts: 14,325
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/28/2015 11:16:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/28/2015 10:49:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:48:17 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:27:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Should Congress continue to stymie Obama's efforts [http://news.yahoo.com...] or should it work with him to pass legislation? Do you think Obama will walk away with a deal in Paris? Do you think the deal will survive? Do you support his executive actions on the topic? Any other related thoughts?

I don't know, but notice how the media in this instance has dropped even the pretension of nonpartisanship. People like Josh Lederman and Seth Borenstein are what's wrong with contemporary journalism. There's no professionalism here whatsoever.

I really hate it when substantive discussions get derailed by "I HATE THE MEDIA!" nonsense. We can make a separate thread for that.

Hell, I don't even like the wording of the topic of this thread; as the word "Agenda" has pretty negative connotations. Agenda implies a person with an unwavering mindset, damn all others. How about "Obama's plan for Climate moderation?"
Vox_Veritas
Posts: 7,078
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/28/2015 11:16:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/28/2015 11:13:18 PM, TBR wrote:
At 11/28/2015 11:08:58 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 11:01:06 PM, TBR wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:59:50 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:57:05 PM, TBR wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:54:34 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:49:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:48:17 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:27:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Should Congress continue to stymie Obama's efforts [http://news.yahoo.com...] or should it work with him to pass legislation? Do you think Obama will walk away with a deal in Paris? Do you think the deal will survive? Do you support his executive actions on the topic? Any other related thoughts?

I don't know, but notice how the media in this instance has dropped even the pretension of nonpartisanship. People like Josh Lederman and Seth Borenstein are what's wrong with contemporary journalism. There's no professionalism here whatsoever.

I really hate it when substantive discussions get derailed by "I HATE THE MEDIA!" nonsense. We can make a separate thread for that.

But effin' look at it, man! "Undermine the President", "sowing doubt", etc. As pretty much the only way of being informed I kind of have to read their articles anyway, but the added baggage can be really annoying at times.

But to be more on-topic, I think that this deal is probably more fair based on the fact that it holds certain countries like China equally responsible as Western nations for carbon emissions.

Please... What do you want them to say? Is there anything that would appease you?

It'd be extremely easy for them to "appease" me. Simply state that Obama's going to wherever it is he's going to discuss a new deal. Describe the deal. Throw in a very differently worded mention of GOP opposition to his plans. Don't word it in such a way that makes the GOP look villainous or incompetent.

Well, that's my question. Rewrite it. How would YOU put it. How would it please YOU.

I'm not going to rewrite the whole thing, but:
1st paragraph:
"Obama is set to join 150 heads of state in Paris this coming week to negotiate a landmark pact which would reduce carbon emissions despite predicted GOP-controlled congress's opposition to such an agreement."
There you go. A more neutral wording.

Sounds like you are looking for some P.C. form of journalism.

I'm looking for unbiased journalism.

Anyways, I apologize to Bsh1 because I am in fact derailing his thread and I'll stop now.
Call me Vox, the Resident Contrarian of debate.org.

The DDO Blog:
https://debatedotorg.wordpress.com...

#drinkthecoffeenotthekoolaid
bsh1
Posts: 27,504
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/28/2015 11:16:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/28/2015 11:16:03 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:49:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:48:17 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/28/2015 10:27:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Should Congress continue to stymie Obama's efforts [http://news.yahoo.com...] or should it work with him to pass legislation? Do you think Obama will walk away with a deal in Paris? Do you think the deal will survive? Do you support his executive actions on the topic? Any other related thoughts?

I don't know, but notice how the media in this instance has dropped even the pretension of nonpartisanship. People like Josh Lederman and Seth Borenstein are what's wrong with contemporary journalism. There's no professionalism here whatsoever.

I really hate it when substantive discussions get derailed by "I HATE THE MEDIA!" nonsense. We can make a separate thread for that.

Hell, I don't even like the wording of the topic of this thread; as the word "Agenda" has pretty negative connotations. Agenda implies a person with an unwavering mindset, damn all others. How about "Obama's plan for Climate moderation?"

That's fine.
Live Long and Prosper

I'm a Bish.


"Twilight isn't just about obtuse metaphors between cannibalism and premarital sex, it also teaches us the futility of hope." - Raisor

"[Bsh1] is the Guinan of DDO." - ButterCatX

Follow the DDOlympics
: http://www.debate.org...

Open Debate Topics Project: http://www.debate.org...
bsh1
Posts: 27,504
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/30/2015 10:34:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Just bumping this with a new link: http://news.yahoo.com... The outlook seems hopeful. Do you agree?
Live Long and Prosper

I'm a Bish.


"Twilight isn't just about obtuse metaphors between cannibalism and premarital sex, it also teaches us the futility of hope." - Raisor

"[Bsh1] is the Guinan of DDO." - ButterCatX

Follow the DDOlympics
: http://www.debate.org...

Open Debate Topics Project: http://www.debate.org...
Greyparrot
Posts: 14,325
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/30/2015 10:52:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/30/2015 10:34:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Just bumping this with a new link: http://news.yahoo.com... The outlook seems hopeful. Do you agree?

That term "climate justice" is such a charged phrase in that article.
bsh1
Posts: 27,504
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/30/2015 10:53:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/30/2015 10:52:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:34:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Just bumping this with a new link: http://news.yahoo.com... The outlook seems hopeful. Do you agree?

That term "climate justice" is such a charged phrase in that article.

Stop micro-analyzing the words and talk about the broad points.
Live Long and Prosper

I'm a Bish.


"Twilight isn't just about obtuse metaphors between cannibalism and premarital sex, it also teaches us the futility of hope." - Raisor

"[Bsh1] is the Guinan of DDO." - ButterCatX

Follow the DDOlympics
: http://www.debate.org...

Open Debate Topics Project: http://www.debate.org...
Greyparrot
Posts: 14,325
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/30/2015 10:56:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/30/2015 10:53:06 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:52:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:34:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Just bumping this with a new link: http://news.yahoo.com... The outlook seems hopeful. Do you agree?

That term "climate justice" is such a charged phrase in that article.

Stop micro-analyzing the words and talk about the broad points.

One difference this time may be the partnership between the United States and China, the two biggest carbon emitters, who between them account for almost 40 percent of the world's greenhouse gas emissions.

Obviously this is the meat.
Greyparrot
Posts: 14,325
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/30/2015 11:00:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/30/2015 10:53:06 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:52:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:34:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Just bumping this with a new link: http://news.yahoo.com... The outlook seems hopeful. Do you agree?

That term "climate justice" is such a charged phrase in that article.

Stop micro-analyzing the words and talk about the broad points.

"The old goal of seeking a legally binding international treaty, certain to be dead on arrival in the Republican-controlled U.S. Congress, has been replaced by a system of national pledges to reduce emissions."

Historically worrisome.
Greyparrot
Posts: 14,325
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/30/2015 11:05:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/30/2015 10:53:06 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:52:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:34:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Just bumping this with a new link: http://news.yahoo.com... The outlook seems hopeful. Do you agree?

That term "climate justice" is such a charged phrase in that article.

Stop micro-analyzing the words and talk about the broad points.

"If a signed deal now appears likely, so too is the prospect that it will not be enough to prevent the world's average temperature from rising beyond 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial levels. That is widely viewed as a threshold for dangerous and potentially catastrophic changes in the planet's climate system."

Good and responsible that they are being honest about what they don't know.
bsh1
Posts: 27,504
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/30/2015 11:38:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/30/2015 11:05:04 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:53:06 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:52:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:34:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Just bumping this with a new link: http://news.yahoo.com... The outlook seems hopeful. Do you agree?

That term "climate justice" is such a charged phrase in that article.

Stop micro-analyzing the words and talk about the broad points.

"If a signed deal now appears likely, so too is the prospect that it will not be enough to prevent the world's average temperature from rising beyond 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial levels. That is widely viewed as a threshold for dangerous and potentially catastrophic changes in the planet's climate system."

Good and responsible that they are being honest about what they don't know.

Are you a climate change skeptic?
Live Long and Prosper

I'm a Bish.


"Twilight isn't just about obtuse metaphors between cannibalism and premarital sex, it also teaches us the futility of hope." - Raisor

"[Bsh1] is the Guinan of DDO." - ButterCatX

Follow the DDOlympics
: http://www.debate.org...

Open Debate Topics Project: http://www.debate.org...
Greyparrot
Posts: 14,325
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/30/2015 11:47:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/30/2015 11:38:19 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/30/2015 11:05:04 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:53:06 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:52:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:34:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Just bumping this with a new link: http://news.yahoo.com... The outlook seems hopeful. Do you agree?

That term "climate justice" is such a charged phrase in that article.

Stop micro-analyzing the words and talk about the broad points.

"If a signed deal now appears likely, so too is the prospect that it will not be enough to prevent the world's average temperature from rising beyond 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial levels. That is widely viewed as a threshold for dangerous and potentially catastrophic changes in the planet's climate system."

Good and responsible that they are being honest about what they don't know.

Are you a climate change skeptic?

Absolutely not. I am just a doomsday skeptic. Most global polls put climate change as a minor concern with healthcare, economic, poverty concerns way at the top. The public just isn't in the alarm state to justify major changes to their top concerns.
BlackFlags
Posts: 904
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/30/2015 11:55:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Nothing proposed to fight climate change attacks the root of the problem. Inevitable demise is a reality unless society changes itself from the inside on how it views the environment. That cannot happen when the state is influencing "The General Public Opinion"
Greyparrot
Posts: 14,325
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/30/2015 11:56:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
the UN"s own MY WORLD global survey of seven million individuals...

A good education
Better healthcare
Better job opportunities
An honest and responsive government
Affordable and nutritious food
Protection against crime and violence
Access to clean water and sanitation
Support for people who can"t work
Better transport and roads
Reliable energy at home
Equality between men and women
Political freedoms
Freedom from discrimination and persecution
Protecting forests, rivers, and oceans
Phone and Internet Access
Action taken on climate change
bsh1
Posts: 27,504
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/30/2015 11:57:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/30/2015 11:47:08 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 11:38:19 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/30/2015 11:05:04 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:53:06 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:52:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:34:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Just bumping this with a new link: http://news.yahoo.com... The outlook seems hopeful. Do you agree?

That term "climate justice" is such a charged phrase in that article.

Stop micro-analyzing the words and talk about the broad points.

"If a signed deal now appears likely, so too is the prospect that it will not be enough to prevent the world's average temperature from rising beyond 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial levels. That is widely viewed as a threshold for dangerous and potentially catastrophic changes in the planet's climate system."

Good and responsible that they are being honest about what they don't know.

Are you a climate change skeptic?

Absolutely not. I am just a doomsday skeptic. Most global polls put climate change as a minor concern with healthcare, economic, poverty concerns way at the top. The public just isn't in the alarm state to justify major changes to their top concerns.

I think the changes will be fairly significant in the long-term. What I would say is that by the time the public is in an alarm state, it will be too late to do anything.
Live Long and Prosper

I'm a Bish.


"Twilight isn't just about obtuse metaphors between cannibalism and premarital sex, it also teaches us the futility of hope." - Raisor

"[Bsh1] is the Guinan of DDO." - ButterCatX

Follow the DDOlympics
: http://www.debate.org...

Open Debate Topics Project: http://www.debate.org...
Greyparrot
Posts: 14,325
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/30/2015 11:57:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/30/2015 11:55:22 PM, BlackFlags wrote:
Nothing proposed to fight climate change attacks the root of the problem. Inevitable demise is a reality unless society changes itself from the inside on how it views the environment. That cannot happen when the state is influencing "The General Public Opinion"

Unrestricted population growth is much more of a likely and imminent doomsday scenario than melting ice.
Greyparrot
Posts: 14,325
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/1/2015 12:06:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/30/2015 11:57:26 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/30/2015 11:47:08 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 11:38:19 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/30/2015 11:05:04 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:53:06 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:52:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:34:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Just bumping this with a new link: http://news.yahoo.com... The outlook seems hopeful. Do you agree?

That term "climate justice" is such a charged phrase in that article.

Stop micro-analyzing the words and talk about the broad points.

"If a signed deal now appears likely, so too is the prospect that it will not be enough to prevent the world's average temperature from rising beyond 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial levels. That is widely viewed as a threshold for dangerous and potentially catastrophic changes in the planet's climate system."

Good and responsible that they are being honest about what they don't know.

Are you a climate change skeptic?

Absolutely not. I am just a doomsday skeptic. Most global polls put climate change as a minor concern with healthcare, economic, poverty concerns way at the top. The public just isn't in the alarm state to justify major changes to their top concerns.

I think the changes will be fairly significant in the long-term. What I would say is that by the time the public is in an alarm state, it will be too late to do anything.

That's also an unfounded sentiment considering our rate of technology advances and our likelihood of making groundbreaking discoveries in environmental engineering. Most of the doomsday predictions wont occur for hundreds if not thousands of years. Do you truly believe technology advances will all of a sudden become stagnant?

Comeon Guinan! (do you know who said my quote?)
bsh1
Posts: 27,504
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/1/2015 12:10:43 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/1/2015 12:06:24 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 11:57:26 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/30/2015 11:47:08 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 11:38:19 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/30/2015 11:05:04 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:53:06 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:52:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:34:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Just bumping this with a new link: http://news.yahoo.com... The outlook seems hopeful. Do you agree?

That term "climate justice" is such a charged phrase in that article.

Stop micro-analyzing the words and talk about the broad points.

"If a signed deal now appears likely, so too is the prospect that it will not be enough to prevent the world's average temperature from rising beyond 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial levels. That is widely viewed as a threshold for dangerous and potentially catastrophic changes in the planet's climate system."

Good and responsible that they are being honest about what they don't know.

Are you a climate change skeptic?

Absolutely not. I am just a doomsday skeptic. Most global polls put climate change as a minor concern with healthcare, economic, poverty concerns way at the top. The public just isn't in the alarm state to justify major changes to their top concerns.

I think the changes will be fairly significant in the long-term. What I would say is that by the time the public is in an alarm state, it will be too late to do anything.

That's also an unfounded sentiment considering our rate of technology advances and our likelihood of making groundbreaking discoveries in environmental engineering. Most of the doomsday predictions wont occur for hundreds if not thousands of years. Do you truly believe technology advances will all of a sudden become stagnant?

I believe that for every groundbreakingly productive technology that we develop, we will also develop technologies that harm our environment. I believe that vested interests like the oil companies will fight tooth and nail against emerging green markets, and that even with the development of these technologies, it will take decades for them to be commonly used.
Live Long and Prosper

I'm a Bish.


"Twilight isn't just about obtuse metaphors between cannibalism and premarital sex, it also teaches us the futility of hope." - Raisor

"[Bsh1] is the Guinan of DDO." - ButterCatX

Follow the DDOlympics
: http://www.debate.org...

Open Debate Topics Project: http://www.debate.org...
Greyparrot
Posts: 14,325
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
12/1/2015 12:27:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/1/2015 12:10:43 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2015 12:06:24 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 11:57:26 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/30/2015 11:47:08 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 11:38:19 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/30/2015 11:05:04 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:53:06 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:52:39 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/30/2015 10:34:53 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Just bumping this with a new link: http://news.yahoo.com... The outlook seems hopeful. Do you agree?

That term "climate justice" is such a charged phrase in that article.

Stop micro-analyzing the words and talk about the broad points.

"If a signed deal now appears likely, so too is the prospect that it will not be enough to prevent the world's average temperature from rising beyond 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial levels. That is widely viewed as a threshold for dangerous and potentially catastrophic changes in the planet's climate system."

Good and responsible that they are being honest about what they don't know.

Are you a climate change skeptic?

Absolutely not. I am just a doomsday skeptic. Most global polls put climate change as a minor concern with healthcare, economic, poverty concerns way at the top. The public just isn't in the alarm state to justify major changes to their top concerns.

I think the changes will be fairly significant in the long-term. What I would say is that by the time the public is in an alarm state, it will be too late to do anything.

That's also an unfounded sentiment considering our rate of technology advances and our likelihood of making groundbreaking discoveries in environmental engineering. Most of the doomsday predictions wont occur for hundreds if not thousands of years. Do you truly believe technology advances will all of a sudden become stagnant?

I believe that for every groundbreakingly productive technology that we develop, we will also develop technologies that harm our environment. I believe that vested interests like the oil companies will fight tooth and nail against emerging green markets, and that even with the development of these technologies, it will take decades for them to be commonly used.

Interests in the free market are bound by the rules of public concern.