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The Heritage Foundation on Russia

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12/9/2015 8:33:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The article begins with the idea that since the end of the Cold War, the US has not had a coherent, comprehensive strategy towards Russia. This is false, and just plainly idiotic. The US's policy towards Russia has been to de-industrialize it and return it to a third world country, which it (along with Western Europe) has been very successful at doing through a combination of trade policies, and allowing certain political trends in Russia to develop in the fall of the USSR. Pretty much everyone knows this (I mean, the mass theft that took place in the 1990s of Russian state assets was just astonishing, and a lot of it was organized by US and European business and banking interests). That's been the strategy, there's no question that that's been the strategy, and these guys are putting forward what might reasonably be described as "a load of nonsense."

The next sentence in the introduction tries to paint Ukraine as some kind of "consequence" of this "failure" to have a "comprehensive strategy." Well, that's idiotic. We already know that there was a comprehensive strategy, so Ukraine couldn't have been caused by the *absence* of something that everybody knows was already in place.

The third sentence postulates that "at the core of the U.S. failure has been an unwillingness to assess the nature of the Russian regime realistically and to base its policy on that assessment." Like, I already know that everything else in this article is going to be complete bullsh!t because (1) there has been no "failure" --there is just "what happened as a result of what the United States and Europe did;" (2) there is no "nature" of the Russian "regime" other than that it's pretty much a third world country that has been made so since the West has systematically taken capital out of Russia since 1991; and (3) it is like manifestly obvious that what this article is going to do is just bitch and moan about the fact that Russia --despite being nearly perfectly servient to the West in like every meaningful way-- has not *completely* bowed to the United States, and they think this means that because Russia has not bent over and taken it in the @ss (they're pretty much just blowing Western Europe, with the occasional use of teeth, which the Europeans don't like) that this means the United States has just totally failed.

Already, three sentences in, it is just plain and clear that every person who put their name on that article should just be tarred and feathered, because of how completely stupid and dishonest they're being.
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12/9/2015 8:37:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/9/2015 7:55:05 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Warning: Long Read
http://www.heritage.org...
Thoughts?

If it's from the heritage foundation then it's probably not worth reading.
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12/9/2015 8:38:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The fourth sentence suggests that the "US has relied on wishful thinking." That's code for "we're not completely fvcking them in the @ss economically, just militarily, geopolitically and diplomatically; we're only making them get on their knees and give Western Europe sloppy head" and so therefore "we're just relying on wishful thinking." This doesn't even rise to the level of nonsense.

I mean, that's basically what the Heritage Foundation has been coming out with since like the mid 1990s (fringe horse sh!t), so this is not surprising... but it's just manifestly dishonest, false, misleading, specious trash, consistent with the manifestly dishonest, false, misleading, specious trash they have been putting out for the last 20 years. So, isn't that fantastic. (What's really hilarious is that Russia has these far right wing hatchet-job "intellectuals" who produce the exact same kind of quasi-intellectual bullsh!t that Heritage puts out, with exactly the same effect: it gives the crazy nutjob politicians who are the puppets of giant corporations the veneer of intellectual legitimacy. It's complete garbage.)
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12/9/2015 9:36:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Because nothing on politics written by a person who leans right can be intellectually worthwhile, right?
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12/9/2015 9:54:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Instead of considering what the article is actually saying it's much easier just to dismiss whatever it's saying as "fringe" and "far-right".
The U.S. has not pursued policies from 1992 to 2014 which have had the aim of "turning Russia into a third world country". The U.S. has tried very hard throughout every presidential administration since the fall of the U.S.S.R to push Russia in the direction of democratization, modernization, human rights, and economic prosperity. The U.S. hasn't even been particularly pushy about this. GWB, the Right-Wing boogeyman which Liberals automatically must condemn because nothing he's done can be of any good and because he must've cannabalized Muslim and Mexican children, pretty much let Russia get away with South Ossetia in 2008. In fact, the U.S. pretty much rewarded Russia's invasion by not letting Georgia into NATO (think: if it weren't for the events of 2008 wouldn't Georgia be a NATO member by now?).
And since by the rules of NATO accession for a nation to join the organization territorial disputes between that nation and another must be settled, Ukraine is currently unable to join. In fact, any time Russia pulls something like it pulled in Georgia and Ukraine, it can effectively stop that nation from leaving Russia's regional hegemony.
The article rightly stated that in the long-run Russia will only suffer from what it's doing, but that in the short-run they're making off like a bandit with Crimea, we're dependent on them for our flights to the ISS, they control much of Europe's oil, and the possibility exists that they may act again. In the short-term, at least, our policy on Russia is allowing Russia to metaphorically swallow its victims whole.

Now please, show this very well written article the credibility deserves and stop crapping on it with brain-dead accusations.
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12/9/2015 9:57:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The underlying idea of US policy for 22 years was and to an extent still is that if we just be nice to Russia and treat them like they're democratic and cooperate with them wherever we can then they'll turn democratic and Pro-Western.
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