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10/7/2010 6:18:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Disgusting.
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10/7/2010 6:25:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/7/2010 6:21:56 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/7/2010 6:18:37 PM, Reasoning wrote:
Disgusting.

Why?

"Communitarianism emphasizes the need to balance individual rights and interests with that of the community as a whole."

Conservatism, yuck.
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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10/7/2010 6:25:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/7/2010 6:21:56 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/7/2010 6:18:37 PM, Reasoning wrote:
Disgusting.

Why?

because rothbard said so no doubt. do you even have to ask?
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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10/7/2010 6:34:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/7/2010 6:25:41 PM, belle wrote:
At 10/7/2010 6:21:56 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/7/2010 6:18:37 PM, Reasoning wrote:
Disgusting.

Why?

because rothbard said so no doubt. do you even have to ask?

LOL, What do you think?
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10/7/2010 6:35:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/7/2010 6:27:53 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
Hmm, I'll see what Rothbard thinks of communitarianism, but I'd be surprised if it was positive.

I'd also be surprised.
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10/7/2010 6:43:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/7/2010 6:38:25 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
I actually studied Communitarianism and Etzioni a LOT as a high school debater. I was sort of the "resident expert" on it whenever questions about it came up.

That said, it's reminiscent of the fallacy of the golden mean.

But one does not have to be defined by Communitarianism, no?

One can be Libertarian and Communitarianism?
Or one can be a classical liberal and a Communitarian?

What are the problems with it, as you see it?
Let me know.
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10/7/2010 6:45:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/7/2010 6:34:02 PM, comoncents wrote:
LOL, What do you think?

they criticize john rawls for thinking of people too individualistically. since rawls sees members of a community as basically beholden to one another, having to justify success by assisting the least well off members of society, i can't imagine approving of how much more beholden these folks would want to place individuals to "society at large".

they also support positive rights which i think are a complete mangling of the concept of rights. in order to have your positive right fulfilled, you generally have to violate the negative right(s) of someone else. relies on the idea that you have no rights until the government declares you do. i strongly disagree!

then you throw in the weird kind of... descriptive anthropology aspect, whereby they assert all beliefs are formed within the context of a society... and therefore.... are formed by that society, or with only tools available to that society... or something? i don't really get their point here tbh, and it sounds like wishy-washy bullsh*t as most cultural anthropology turns out to be once you get past the purely observational stage. so theres another strike against them. overall, i'm not impressed.
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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10/7/2010 6:47:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/7/2010 6:43:17 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/7/2010 6:38:25 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
I actually studied Communitarianism and Etzioni a LOT as a high school debater. I was sort of the "resident expert" on it whenever questions about it came up.

That said, it's reminiscent of the fallacy of the golden mean.

But one does not have to be defined by Communitarianism, no?


One can be Libertarian and Communitarianism?

No.

Or one can be a classical liberal and a Communitarian?

No.

What are the problems with it, as you see it?

1. It argues that one has duties to his community, some of which do not have corresponding rights or rewards.

2. It says that autonomous selves don't exist in isolation, but are shaped by the values and culture of a community. Essentially, the individual has no worth outside of a community.

3. Its one good point--that "communities, not governments, should govern men" is poisoned by the fact that the "governing" done by communities compromises the liberty of individuals for the "common good".
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10/7/2010 7:29:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Communitarianism emphasizes the need to balance individual rights and interests with that of the community as a whole
Communities do not and can not have rights.
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10/8/2010 12:13:09 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/7/2010 6:25:14 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 10/7/2010 6:21:56 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/7/2010 6:18:37 PM, Reasoning wrote:
Disgusting.

Why?

"Communitarianism emphasizes the need to balance individual rights and interests with that of the community as a whole."

Conservatism, yuck.

That is the principle by which all viable societies work.
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10/8/2010 12:17:21 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/7/2010 7:29:49 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Communitarianism emphasizes the need to balance individual rights and interests with that of the community as a whole
Communities do not and can not have rights.

Lol but corporations can have rights?
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10/8/2010 12:20:34 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/8/2010 12:13:09 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 10/7/2010 6:25:14 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 10/7/2010 6:21:56 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/7/2010 6:18:37 PM, Reasoning wrote:
Disgusting.

Why?

"Communitarianism emphasizes the need to balance individual rights and interests with that of the community as a whole."

Conservatism, yuck.

That is the principle by which all viable societies work.

Conservative.
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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10/8/2010 12:22:40 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/8/2010 12:20:34 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 10/8/2010 12:13:09 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 10/7/2010 6:25:14 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 10/7/2010 6:21:56 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/7/2010 6:18:37 PM, Reasoning wrote:
Disgusting.

Why?

"Communitarianism emphasizes the need to balance individual rights and interests with that of the community as a whole."

Conservatism, yuck.

That is the principle by which all viable societies work.

Conservative.

No... just not an insane authoritarian or a childish anarchist.
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10/8/2010 12:35:02 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Awesome Communism crossed with Totalitarianism.
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10/8/2010 4:34:50 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/7/2010 6:25:41 PM, belle wrote:
At 10/7/2010 6:21:56 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/7/2010 6:18:37 PM, Reasoning wrote:
Disgusting.

Why?

because rothbard said so no doubt. do you even have to ask?:

Yep... He's a little Myna bird, who simply parrots things he hears.
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