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Chrysippus
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10/8/2010 4:43:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Otherwise entitled, Let's All Get Together.

Scare tactics aside, would a legitimate world government be a positive thing? What form of government would work best for the whole planet, in your opinions? Major drawbacks?

(nb4 Geo says "we already have one")
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Korashk
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10/8/2010 4:56:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
You should add the clarifier that for the sake of this discussion a world government is possible.
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LaissezFaire
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10/8/2010 4:56:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/8/2010 4:43:02 PM, Chrysippus wrote:
Otherwise entitled, Let's All Get Together.

Scare tactics aside, would a legitimate world government be a positive thing?
No.
What form of government would work best for the whole planet, in your opinions?
No government at all.
Major drawbacks?
If you don't like the government, there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. Currently, if one really despises their government, they can simply leave. Most people don't do this, and those that do have to leave to go live under a different government anyway, of course, but this threat of emigration keeps tyranny in check. If country raises taxes a lot, for example, productive people and businesses will simply leave to go to a better country.
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Mirza
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10/8/2010 5:04:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/8/2010 4:43:02 PM, Chrysippus wrote:
Scare tactics aside, would a legitimate world government be a positive thing?
No, we are doing better with different governments.

What form of government would work best for the whole planet, in your opinions?
It is not bad that we have different governments. Shari'a Law deserves my support, but I see something good with different parts of the world having different forms of government.

Major drawbacks?
Forms of government?

(nb4 Geo says "we already have one")
Technically the UN serves as a form of world government, but that is not what you think of when you say "World Government" I would presume.
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10/8/2010 5:31:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/8/2010 5:29:01 PM, FREEDO wrote:
The fewer the governments the better. Zero is best. One is next.

No.
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http://lewrockwell.com...

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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
Mirza
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10/8/2010 5:32:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/8/2010 5:29:01 PM, FREEDO wrote:
The fewer the governments the better. Zero is best. One is next.
That is not true. A government of pure tyranny ruling the entire world is worse than 100 governments ruling it fairly well on average.
FREEDO
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10/8/2010 5:36:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/8/2010 5:32:59 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/8/2010 5:29:01 PM, FREEDO wrote:
The fewer the governments the better. Zero is best. One is next.
That is not true. A government of pure tyranny ruling the entire world is worse than 100 governments ruling it fairly well on average.

I wouldn't suppose that a country automatically becomes less tyrannical in pieces than in one. It is a sum of it's parts. The question is not whether one tyrannical country is better than 100 fair countries, it's whether one tyrannical country is better than 100 tyrannical countries.
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Mirza
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10/8/2010 5:40:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/8/2010 5:36:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I wouldn't suppose that a country automatically becomes less tyrannical in pieces than in one. It is a sum of it's parts. The question is not whether one tyrannical country is better than 100 fair countries, it's whether one tyrannical country is better than 100 tyrannical countries.
Please address "World Government."
Reasoning
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10/8/2010 5:44:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
The more governments, the better.

I support one government for every person.
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Chrysippus
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10/8/2010 5:49:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/8/2010 5:40:59 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/8/2010 5:36:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I wouldn't suppose that a country automatically becomes less tyrannical in pieces than in one. It is a sum of it's parts. The question is not whether one tyrannical country is better than 100 fair countries, it's whether one tyrannical country is better than 100 tyrannical countries.
Please address "World Government."

I think he just did. If the nature of human government is to be tyrannical, is one big tyrannical government better than 200+ little tyrannies?

Begging the questions, of course:
1. Are governments naturally tyrannical?
2. Is one-world government possible?
and
3. Who decides whether a government is tyrannical?
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FREEDO
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10/8/2010 5:53:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/8/2010 5:49:12 PM, Chrysippus wrote:
At 10/8/2010 5:40:59 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/8/2010 5:36:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I wouldn't suppose that a country automatically becomes less tyrannical in pieces than in one. It is a sum of it's parts. The question is not whether one tyrannical country is better than 100 fair countries, it's whether one tyrannical country is better than 100 tyrannical countries.
Please address "World Government."

I think he just did. If the nature of human government is to be tyrannical, is one big tyrannical government better than 200+ little tyrannies?

Begging the questions, of course:
1. Are governments naturally tyrannical?
Yes. Some more than others.
2. Is one-world government possible?
Yes, I'd say it's inevitable.
and
3. Who decides whether a government is tyrannical?
Anybody who has a decision made for them.
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Mirza
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10/8/2010 5:57:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/8/2010 5:49:12 PM, Chrysippus wrote:
I think he just did. If the nature of human government is to be tyrannical, is one big tyrannical government better than 200+ little tyrannies?
No, and they are not necessarily tyrannies. When people suffer from phobia of a little control, then that is tyranny of their minds in the first place which they should work on. Calling every form of government "tyranny" is egregious.
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10/8/2010 6:01:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I think there's actually a higher likelihood of tyranny with more governments because the bigger ones will always push around the smaller ones. Just look at America. We control the world through war. A one world government would likely not have war.
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Chrysippus
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10/8/2010 6:02:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/8/2010 5:57:46 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/8/2010 5:49:12 PM, Chrysippus wrote:
I think he just did. If the nature of human government is to be tyrannical, is one big tyrannical government better than 200+ little tyrannies?
No, and they are not necessarily tyrannies. When people suffer from phobia of a little control, then that is tyranny of their minds in the first place which they should work on. Calling every form of government "tyranny" is egregious.

I didn't say they were. I said If. I'm just poking round in people's minds here, trying to see what people think.

Do you think there is such a thing as a tyrannical government, Mizra; and what does it look like?
Cavete mea inexorabilis legiones mimus!
belle
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10/8/2010 8:53:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/8/2010 6:01:08 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I think there's actually a higher likelihood of tyranny with more governments because the bigger ones will always push around the smaller ones. Just look at America. We control the world through war. A one world government would likely not have war.

civil war exists. and the REASON we are able to engage in war on such a large scale is because we're a very large, populous, rich nation. if you broke the US up into a bunch of smaller nations, we would have to cut back on warmongering, just because there wouldn't be such a large, centralized pile of wealth to buy war machines with.

also, if there are a lot of governments, its unlikely they will all be tyrannical. since some will be freer than others, if you're stuck living somewhere you hate you can just move somewhere else with a better government. then you end up with a sort of competition between governments, those that are the most oppressive losing the most citizens... assuming they even allow their citizens to leave of course :P
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Mirza
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10/9/2010 1:05:24 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/8/2010 6:02:07 PM, Chrysippus wrote:
I didn't say they were. I said If. I'm just poking round in people's minds here, trying to see what people think.
Fine.

Do you think there is such a thing as a tyrannical government, Mizra; and what does it look like?
The North Korean is one of the best examples today. It does not let its citizens explore other cultures, spread good ties, etc. and just lets them blindly be in their own nation that is not even willing to keep up with modern technology. They are simply behind the world in every aspect.
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10/9/2010 4:49:58 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
World Federation tbo.

I'm certain it will happen just not in the UN(peace university) way so don't get your hopes up.
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10/9/2010 5:40:11 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/8/2010 4:43:02 PM, Chrysippus wrote:
Otherwise entitled, Let's All Get Together.

Scare tactics aside, would a legitimate world government be a positive thing?

Yes
What form of government would work best for the whole planet, in your opinions?
Democracy. Democracy not because it is the best one, but because it the the one with least 'risk factor'.

Major drawbacks?
corruption, but it can be kept into check.