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12/17/2015 1:36:36 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
All they could come up with to put forward for president is a liar, a socialist, and um... what's the other guy's name again?
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12/17/2015 3:54:19 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 2:32:23 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
The Democrats seem quite sane compared to the GOP

You can thank this to the campaign funding laws since they are saying what some super PAC wants versus what the people actually want.
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12/17/2015 4:04:28 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 1:36:36 PM, qwertyytrewq01943 wrote:
All they could come up with to put forward for president is a liar, a socialist, and um... what's the other guy's name again?

Put the resumes of the Democratic's on one site, and compare to the GOP. I would take the Democrats any day.
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12/17/2015 6:10:00 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 4:04:28 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/17/2015 1:36:36 PM, qwertyytrewq01943 wrote:
All they could come up with to put forward for president is a liar, a socialist, and um... what's the other guy's name again?

Put the resumes of the Democratic's on one site, and compare to the GOP. I would take the Democrats any day.

How can the democrats be better than the GOP candidates?
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12/17/2015 6:14:34 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 6:10:00 PM, qwertyytrewq01943 wrote:
At 12/17/2015 4:04:28 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/17/2015 1:36:36 PM, qwertyytrewq01943 wrote:
All they could come up with to put forward for president is a liar, a socialist, and um... what's the other guy's name again?

Put the resumes of the Democratic's on one site, and compare to the GOP. I would take the Democrats any day.

How can the democrats be better than the GOP candidates?

How? Well using metrics like experience, vision, proposed policy. What are you really asking?
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12/17/2015 6:15:53 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 6:10:00 PM, qwertyytrewq01943 wrote:
How can the democrats be better than the GOP candidates?

All of the GOP candidates reject the idea of a living wage and base much of their campaigns on nativism and xenophobia. How is that better than the Democrats who have substantially more sane policies?

Hillary Clinton is garbage tho.
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12/17/2015 6:32:23 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 1:36:36 PM, qwertyytrewq01943 wrote:
All they could come up with to put forward for president is a liar, a socialist, and um... what's the other guy's name again?

Lol, really?

Can anyone say this with a straight face after the other night's GOP debate?

Compared to the dipsh1ts running for the GOP nominations, the Dems are a beacon of hope--and I say that as someone who isn't particularly "excited" about Hillary Clinton.
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12/17/2015 6:36:51 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
They may not be FDR, but they're all pretty good, and we know who's going to win already, so Hillary will have extra campaign time while all the GOP candidates fight until November 5.
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12/17/2015 9:41:33 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 6:32:23 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 12/17/2015 1:36:36 PM, qwertyytrewq01943 wrote:
All they could come up with to put forward for president is a liar, a socialist, and um... what's the other guy's name again?

Lol, really?

Can anyone say this with a straight face after the other night's GOP debate?

Compared to the dipsh1ts running for the GOP nominations, the Dems are a beacon of hope--and I say that as someone who isn't particularly "excited" about Hillary Clinton.

What exactly is that beacon of hope? Offering free stuff again at the tax payers' expense?
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12/17/2015 9:42:22 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 6:14:34 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/17/2015 6:10:00 PM, qwertyytrewq01943 wrote:
At 12/17/2015 4:04:28 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/17/2015 1:36:36 PM, qwertyytrewq01943 wrote:
All they could come up with to put forward for president is a liar, a socialist, and um... what's the other guy's name again?

Put the resumes of the Democratic's on one site, and compare to the GOP. I would take the Democrats any day.

How can the democrats be better than the GOP candidates?

How? Well using metrics like experience, vision, proposed policy. What are you really asking?

Well if you are using those criteria to judge a candidate then the GOP candidates should easily be better then
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12/17/2015 9:44:30 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 9:42:22 PM, qwertyytrewq01943 wrote:
At 12/17/2015 6:14:34 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/17/2015 6:10:00 PM, qwertyytrewq01943 wrote:
At 12/17/2015 4:04:28 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/17/2015 1:36:36 PM, qwertyytrewq01943 wrote:
All they could come up with to put forward for president is a liar, a socialist, and um... what's the other guy's name again?

Put the resumes of the Democratic's on one site, and compare to the GOP. I would take the Democrats any day.

How can the democrats be better than the GOP candidates?

How? Well using metrics like experience, vision, proposed policy. What are you really asking?

Well if you are using those criteria to judge a candidate then the GOP candidates should easily be better then

The GOP is gunning to get the guy with the LEAST experience possible. The vision consists of platitudes, and policy equally as empty. No... I think the GOP has every base covered in the race to the bottom of the barrel this cycle.,
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12/17/2015 10:12:20 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 2:32:23 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
The Democrats seem quite sane compared to the GOP

Is that why they are compulsive liars and socialists?
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12/17/2015 10:13:00 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
The reason they seem so bad is because Democrats have moved so far left in so many aspects of governance that they are far outside the beliefs of normal Americans.

Might Hillary govern as she has campaigned against Bernie? Probably not. But to win the left wing base she has to out-socialist Bernie Sanders...
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12/18/2015 12:04:07 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 9:41:33 PM, qwertyytrewq01943 wrote:
What exactly is that beacon of hope? Offering free stuff again at the tax payers' expense?

No, it's called "sanity."

What's funny, also, is that the only person whose plan is probably not fiscally feasible is Bernie--and deficits at the moment are completely irrelevant given (a) negative real interest rates and (b) the fact that the Fed is maintaing its portfolio of Treasury securities, which will circumvent any "crowding out effect."

Ironically, the GOP dipsh1ts would spiral the deficit out of control through giant tax cuts they can't pay for: the Dems are even better on the deficit, even though the teabagger Republicans have (wrongly) b1tched about deficits.
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12/18/2015 12:27:55 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 12:04:07 AM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 12/17/2015 9:41:33 PM, qwertyytrewq01943 wrote:
What exactly is that beacon of hope? Offering free stuff again at the tax payers' expense?

No, it's called "sanity."

What's funny, also, is that the only person whose plan is probably not fiscally feasible is Bernie--and deficits at the moment are completely irrelevant given (a) negative real interest rates and (b) the fact that the Fed is maintaing its portfolio of Treasury securities, which will circumvent any "crowding out effect."

Ironically, the GOP dipsh1ts would spiral the deficit out of control through giant tax cuts they can't pay for: the Dems are even better on the deficit, even though the teabagger Republicans have (wrongly) b1tched about deficits.
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12/18/2015 12:34:48 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 12:27:55 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 12/18/2015 12:04:07 AM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 12/17/2015 9:41:33 PM, qwertyytrewq01943 wrote:
What exactly is that beacon of hope? Offering free stuff again at the tax payers' expense?

No, it's called "sanity."

What's funny, also, is that the only person whose plan is probably not fiscally feasible is Bernie--and deficits at the moment are completely irrelevant given (a) negative real interest rates and (b) the fact that the Fed is maintaing its portfolio of Treasury securities, which will circumvent any "crowding out effect."

Ironically, the GOP dipsh1ts would spiral the deficit out of control through giant tax cuts they can't pay for: the Dems are even better on the deficit, even though the teabagger Republicans have (wrongly) b1tched about deficits.



lol
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12/18/2015 12:40:13 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 12:34:48 AM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 12/18/2015 12:27:55 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 12/18/2015 12:04:07 AM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 12/17/2015 9:41:33 PM, qwertyytrewq01943 wrote:
What exactly is that beacon of hope? Offering free stuff again at the tax payers' expense?

No, it's called "sanity."

What's funny, also, is that the only person whose plan is probably not fiscally feasible is Bernie--and deficits at the moment are completely irrelevant given (a) negative real interest rates and (b) the fact that the Fed is maintaing its portfolio of Treasury securities, which will circumvent any "crowding out effect."

Ironically, the GOP dipsh1ts would spiral the deficit out of control through giant tax cuts they can't pay for: the Dems are even better on the deficit, even though the teabagger Republicans have (wrongly) b1tched about deficits.



lol

Yea, good.
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12/18/2015 1:26:29 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
The Democratic candidates are fine. Clinton is disturbingly establishment, and she doesn't seem to really stand for anything, but she comes off as a typical establishment candidate. If she gets elected, I expect her to just continue Obama's policies. There's nothing exceptional about this - most candidates of both parties have just been establishment candidates for a very long time. Sanders is actually a very interesting candidate, as he's the closest that progressive stances outside the mainstream have gotten to the mainstream, like universal health care. The only comparable major candidate I can think of is Ralph Nader, who was of course much more fringe.

The Republicans have some okay candidates, but from where I'm standing, the really ridiculous thing about this election is that an idiot like Trump is leading. He has no real positions. He just climbs on the hate of muslims and immigrants. It's sad that so many Americans are weak-minded enough to just follow this showman.
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12/18/2015 6:29:18 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 6:10:00 PM, qwertyytrewq01943 wrote:
At 12/17/2015 4:04:28 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/17/2015 1:36:36 PM, qwertyytrewq01943 wrote:
All they could come up with to put forward for president is a liar, a socialist, and um... what's the other guy's name again?

Put the resumes of the Democratic's on one site, and compare to the GOP. I would take the Democrats any day.

How can the democrats be better than the GOP candidates?

Because they have ideas.
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12/18/2015 7:41:24 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
I often get the feeling that Americans don't really care about 'quality of life'; that they value 'freedom' or 'rights' over the attainment of positive social outcomes. Perhaps it's your culture and way of life.

Frankly, if you lived in a country like Norway or Sweden, you'd be living in paradise - that's how good it is. Learn from the best. The US is far from paradise, and is riddled with problems.

The Democrats are at least the ones who are likely to increase the standard of living for Americans; GOP doesn't care about quality of life.
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12/18/2015 2:57:56 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 1:26:29 AM, brycef wrote:
The Democratic candidates are fine. Clinton is disturbingly establishment, and she doesn't seem to really stand for anything, but she comes off as a typical establishment candidate. If she gets elected, I expect her to just continue Obama's policies. There's nothing exceptional about this - most candidates of both parties have just been establishment candidates for a very long time. Sanders is actually a very interesting candidate, as he's the closest that progressive stances outside the mainstream have gotten to the mainstream, like universal health care. The only comparable major candidate I can think of is Ralph Nader, who was of course much more fringe.

The Republicans have some okay candidates, but from where I'm standing, the really ridiculous thing about this election is that an idiot like Trump is leading. He has no real positions. He just climbs on the hate of muslims and immigrants. It's sad that so many Americans are weak-minded enough to just follow this showman.

I agree with all of this.
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12/18/2015 3:08:41 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
I don't think there is anything supremely wrong with the field the Democratic Party has to offer this coming election, just that it is entirely lopsided and, except for the Sanders interregnum which has so far come to naught, devoid of any meaningful debate about the ideology and direction of the party. That is the danger and disappointment right now with the race and candidates.

Let's face it - Democrats probably have a lock on the presidency at this point, but they're a long way from inspiring the hordes necessary to win back the House or even the Senate, let alone governorships. People are angry and apathetic towards government, and that is something Republicans have taken advantage of to great effect. The Democrats need to present an activist agenda to really score big and secure a proper, workable mandate, but instead they're coasting on the gift of their stupifyingly terrible opponents. That isn't going to last forever, and eventually the Democrats will need to have a real fight over the future of their party. Maybe when Warren runs.

The one person I'm disappointed hasn't gained any traction is Martin O'Malley. He's stuck in the middle ground of being just left enough to appeal to Sanders voters, but also establishment enough to win support from Clinton backers. If one of them falters, he'll probably pick up support, but that doesn't seem likely.
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12/18/2015 3:20:25 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 2:32:23 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
The Democrats seem quite sane compared to the GOP

You've got to be kidding. The current president gave money to Iran. Iran! The approval rating is less than 20%. He ignored the call of the U.S. general and the FBI. His acts caused Afghanistan and Iraq to be overtaken by ISIS. And he claimed ISIS was "no threat" just before all hell broke loose. And Hillary says she will follow Obama's policies.
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12/18/2015 3:25:41 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 2:57:56 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 12/18/2015 1:26:29 AM, brycef wrote:
The Democratic candidates are fine. Clinton is disturbingly establishment, and she doesn't seem to really stand for anything, but she comes off as a typical establishment candidate. If she gets elected, I expect her to just continue Obama's policies. There's nothing exceptional about this - most candidates of both parties have just been establishment candidates for a very long time. Sanders is actually a very interesting candidate, as he's the closest that progressive stances outside the mainstream have gotten to the mainstream, like universal health care. The only comparable major candidate I can think of is Ralph Nader, who was of course much more fringe.

The Republicans have some okay candidates, but from where I'm standing, the really ridiculous thing about this election is that an idiot like Trump is leading. He has no real positions. He just climbs on the hate of muslims and immigrants. It's sad that so many Americans are weak-minded enough to just follow this showman.

I agree with all of this.

Do you know how many "yes we can!" Speeches Obama gave without stating any policies or ideas? More than Trump. And I don't really like Trump. But at least he says what he means. I never know where Obama stands. He claims to be a Christian but ridicules the Sermon on the mount and has held muslim prayer in the whitehouse. He can't dare say the J word(Jesus) no one knows where he stands on anything but yes we can so it's all better now. Gag me now.
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12/18/2015 3:34:09 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 3:25:41 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Do you know how many "yes we can!" Speeches Obama gave without stating any policies or ideas? More than Trump. And I don't really like Trump.

If you really think that Donald Trump, who has never made a substantive argument in his life, is more substantive than Obama, you're beyond help.

Like, what you just said is not only demonstrably wrong; it's a talking point, and a demonstrably false one at that. It's also beside the point, because even if it were true--it's not--we're not talking Obama, though evidently the GOP candidates would like to pretend that they're running against him.

Obama has also never categorically condemned entire groups of people before, or called for an outright ban on Muslim entries into the country, or insulted a war hero. Your attempt a false equivalency is just patently absurd.

But at least he says what he means.

This is indeed one thing Trump does better than anyone else. The problem is, he doesn't mean much: Trump's policy is, "I'm Donald fcking Trump, I'm super rich, everyone loves me, Muslims suck, and I'm going to build a giant wall and be the best fcking president this country has ever had."

I never know where Obama stands.

Then you really haven't been paying attention.

He claims to be a Christian but ridicules the Sermon on the mount and has held muslim prayer in the whitehouse.

I've never heard of him ridiculing the sermon on the mount, but a quick google search brought me to World Net Daily and "Christian Today," so without objection I can conclude that whatever he said was taken out of context--was it just that it was "radical?" Of course it was. Jesus was the most radical motherfcker who ever lived. That's not ridiculing.

I've also never heard of him "allowing Muslim prayer in the White House," but if you actually have a problem with that, it speaks more to how intellectually deficit and bigoted *you* are. For instance, because the government cannot legally favor one religion over another, it would be illegal to prefer Christianity to Islam. Thus, that isn't even an *issue*, nor does it make him "less of a Christian." That you would be so intellectually dishonest as to question whether the guy is actually a Christian says a whole lot more about your conspiratorial mind and lack of a substantive case than it does about Obama.

He can't dare say the J word(Jesus) no one knows where he stands on anything but yes we can so it's all better now. Gag me now.

How's the Koolaid taste? That's truly the only response I can muster to this. You're just so unbelievably full of sh1t that it's funny.
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12/18/2015 4:38:27 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 3:34:09 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
At 12/18/2015 3:25:41 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Do you know how many "yes we can!" Speeches Obama gave without stating any policies or ideas? More than Trump. And I don't really like Trump.

If you really think that Donald Trump, who has never made a substantive argument in his life, is more substantive than Obama, you're beyond help.

Like, what you just said is not only demonstrably wrong; it's a talking point, and a demonstrably false one at that. It's also beside the point, because even if it were true--it's not--we're not talking Obama, though evidently the GOP candidates would like to pretend that they're running against him.

Obama has also never categorically condemned entire groups of people before, or called for an outright ban on Muslim entries into the country, or insulted a war hero. Your attempt a false equivalency is just patently absurd.

But at least he says what he means.

This is indeed one thing Trump does better than anyone else. The problem is, he doesn't mean much: Trump's policy is, "I'm Donald fcking Trump, I'm super rich, everyone loves me, Muslims suck, and I'm going to build a giant wall and be the best fcking president this country has ever had."

I never know where Obama stands.

Then you really haven't been paying attention.

He claims to be a Christian but ridicules the Sermon on the mount and has held muslim prayer in the whitehouse.

I've never heard of him ridiculing the sermon on the mount, but a quick google search brought me to World Net Daily and "Christian Today," so without objection I can conclude that whatever he said was taken out of context--was it just that it was "radical?" Of course it was. Jesus was the most radical motherfcker who ever lived. That's not ridiculing.

I've also never heard of him "allowing Muslim prayer in the White House," but if you actually have a problem with that, it speaks more to how intellectually deficit and bigoted *you* are. For instance, because the government cannot legally favor one religion over another, it would be illegal to prefer Christianity to Islam. Thus, that isn't even an *issue*, nor does it make him "less of a Christian." That you would be so intellectually dishonest as to question whether the guy is actually a Christian says a whole lot more about your conspiratorial mind and lack of a substantive case than it does about Obama.

He can't dare say the J word(Jesus) no one knows where he stands on anything but yes we can so it's all better now. Gag me now.

How's the Koolaid taste? That's truly the only response I can muster to this. You're just so unbelievably full of sh1t that it's funny.

If I had told you 8 years ago that a future president would give Iran billions of dollars, allow Iraq and Afghanistan to be overtaken by terrorists, and then would have a 20% or less approval rating, you would have thought the guy must be an idiot. I don't even like Trump, but he's a billionaire and is nowleading the poles. To say he's never done anything means you are beyond help.
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12/18/2015 4:47:04 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 4:38:27 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:

Sigh. Is this what you morons do? You make a number of claims, all of which I rebut, so in lieu of substantively line-by-lining my response as I did yours, you throw out new claims.

Fine, I'll bite.

If I had told you 8 years ago that a future president would give Iran billions of dollars,

lol.

Nope, total bullsh1t. He isn't doing that--we're unfreezing Iran's oil reserves, which will generate revenue for them.

[http://oliverwillis.com...]

Ironically, there's president who did give Iran a sh1tton of money (or weapons, really): his name was Ronald Reagan.

allow Iraq and Afghanistan to be overtaken by terrorists,

Totally overly simplistic, and even with my limited focus on foreign policy, I can tell you get your information from right-wing conspiracy websites.

(1) No, ISIS wouldn't exist had we not invaded Iraq.

(2) He waged a fcking surge in Afghanistan--and complete Bin Laden in the process. Give me a fcking break. He didn't *create* these terrorist factions, though his Bush-esque foreign policy isn't exactly helping the cause.

(3) I want you to go research how many drones he's dropped on Syria. Go look--we're droning seven damned countries. Tell me what else you want. I want specifics.

and then would have a 20% or less approval rating,

You're a liar. It's 48 percent [http://www.nbcnews.com...]

If you want a low approval rating, try Bush.

you would have thought the guy must be an idiot.

To the contrary, I think you're an idiot--I think you're someone who gets information in the same way as Trump, doesn't think it--or anything--through, doesn't have an original thought in his head, and just spews platitudes. Your last posts prove that quite well.

I don't even like Trump, but he's a billionaire and is nowleading the poles.

So? He's also an anti-intellectual, bombastic, racist fckwit who doesn't know the first thing about policy.

To say he's never done anything means you are beyond help.

Find for me where I said that.

Go on, scroll up.

Didn't find it, did you?

That's because I didn't say that, you illiterate moron. I said that his speeches are void of substance and that he speaks in broad, unspecific platitudes, making him uniquely unfit to hold the highest office in the country.

This is where that whole "reading and deferring" thing would come in handy. Draw on what you learned in third grade, and come back when you're ready.
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