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Dirty.Harry
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12/17/2015 7:43:08 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
I've posted about Sharia in Britain for years now and how it has leveraged the arbitration act as its modus operandi.

Under that act disputing parties can "agree" (by signing an official British legal document) to accept the judgement of an appointed arbitrator (also appointed and accepted by the disputing parties).

In many Muslim communities this has now replaced the British legal system for making decisions in divorce, custody, rape, domestic violence, other violence, child abuse and inheritance matters.

Non-English speaking women and wives win many Muslim communities live in fear that should they refuse arbitration for these kinds of disputes, they will be punished often violently, they have nowhere to turn for help and are thus not being afforded the protection of their host country's legal system, something protected in the Bill of Rights in the USA.

These arbitration meetings are held in private, their recordings and notes remain private, at the end each party signs the arbitration forms and they are deposited at a local court, from that point on they are enforceable by the courts - no matter what decision they may contain.

Because of this child custody almost always get granted to the father, females get 10% of a dead parents will while males get 90% and so on, this is Sharia, the system used within such tribunals is basically - Sharia.

It needs to be stopped, all citizens of the UK, US etc must be provided the same degree of legal protection irrespective of nationality, religion, or race.

Here's just one of many many reports about this :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk...

Harry.
beng100
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12/17/2015 10:34:38 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 7:43:08 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
I've posted about Sharia in Britain for years now and how it has leveraged the arbitration act as its modus operandi.

Under that act disputing parties can "agree" (by signing an official British legal document) to accept the judgement of an appointed arbitrator (also appointed and accepted by the disputing parties).

In many Muslim communities this has now replaced the British legal system for making decisions in divorce, custody, rape, domestic violence, other violence, child abuse and inheritance matters.

Non-English speaking women and wives win many Muslim communities live in fear that should they refuse arbitration for these kinds of disputes, they will be punished often violently, they have nowhere to turn for help and are thus not being afforded the protection of their host country's legal system, something protected in the Bill of Rights in the USA.

These arbitration meetings are held in private, their recordings and notes remain private, at the end each party signs the arbitration forms and they are deposited at a local court, from that point on they are enforceable by the courts - no matter what decision they may contain.

Because of this child custody almost always get granted to the father, females get 10% of a dead parents will while males get 90% and so on, this is Sharia, the system used within such tribunals is basically - Sharia.

It needs to be stopped, all citizens of the UK, US etc must be provided the same degree of legal protection irrespective of nationality, religion, or race.

Here's just one of many many reports about this :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk...

Harry.

People are free to make whatever agreements they want if both parties agree but if a Muslim woman contests a settlement or agreement on whatever issue they can take it to court and if it is indeed unfair, discriminatory or unlawful then the correct interpretation of British law will be followed and in some cases the wrongful parties would be open to criminal prosecution. Quite simply sharia law is not a factor in the UK judiciary system.
Skepsikyma
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12/17/2015 10:35:45 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 7:43:08 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
I've posted about Sharia in Britain for years now and how it has leveraged the arbitration act as its modus operandi.

Under that act disputing parties can "agree" (by signing an official British legal document) to accept the judgement of an appointed arbitrator (also appointed and accepted by the disputing parties).

In many Muslim communities this has now replaced the British legal system for making decisions in divorce, custody, rape, domestic violence, other violence, child abuse and inheritance matters.

This is absolute tosh. Arbitration, by definition, cannot be applied to criminal cases, only civil ones. Rape is a criminal charge and cannot be arbitrated. The same applies to child abuse and assault. You obviously haven't even read the act; the entire text makes it abundantly clear what sort of cases it is supposed to apply to.

Non-English speaking women and wives win many Muslim communities live in fear that should they refuse arbitration for these kinds of disputes, they will be punished often violently, they have nowhere to turn for help and are thus not being afforded the protection of their host country's legal system, something protected in the Bill of Rights in the USA.

Then this is primarily a problem of Britain not properly enforcing its own laws, and not some dire irreversible problem with British law itself. As the article that you link point out, women are perfectly capable of obtaining a civil divorce without going to these courts for an Islamic one; it's similar to the Catholic case where you can be civilly divorced but your marriage will be considered active unless it is annulled by the church. If the women are being intimidated into not taking the avenues of recourse provided by the Arbitration Act, then that is an issue of people not being prosecuted for the intimidation; and from the article which you shared it seems as if steps are already being taken to mitigate the problem. If Muslims want to turn to private arbitration for financial and domestic disputes, then I have no issue with it. It is, after all, their faith.

'They are, they explain, concerned that their marriage, conducted several years ago, might somehow be invalid. To blame is a technicality of Islamic law: the woman divorced her first husband in the UK courts, but failed to also obtain a religious divorce, or Talaq.

So the couple are worried this inadvertent breach of Muslim custom could, on paper, mean that she is living as an adulteress.'

These arbitration meetings are held in private, their recordings and notes remain private, at the end each party signs the arbitration forms and they are deposited at a local court, from that point on they are enforceable by the courts - no matter what decision they may contain.

Because of this child custody almost always get granted to the father, females get 10% of a dead parents will while males get 90% and so on, this is Sharia, the system used within such tribunals is basically - Sharia.

It needs to be stopped, all citizens of the UK, US etc must be provided the same degree of legal protection irrespective of nationality, religion, or race.

Here's just one of many many reports about this :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk...

Harry.
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Yassine
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12/18/2015 3:44:14 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 10:35:45 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

This is absolute tosh.

- When I saw in the OP 90% of males get child custody over females, I knew it was bull.

Arbitration, by definition, cannot be applied to criminal cases, only civil ones.

- That's true for Islamic Law as well.

Then this is primarily a problem of Britain not properly enforcing its own laws, and not some dire irreversible problem with British law itself. As the article that you link point out, women are perfectly capable of obtaining a civil divorce without going to these courts for an Islamic one; it's similar to the Catholic case where you can be civilly divorced but your marriage will be considered active unless it is annulled by the church. If the women are being intimidated into not taking the avenues of recourse provided by the Arbitration Act, then that is an issue of people not being prosecuted for the intimidation; and from the article which you shared it seems as if steps are already being taken to mitigate the problem. If Muslims want to turn to private arbitration for financial and domestic disputes, then I have no issue with it. It is, after all, their faith.

- Here is a video of British district judge Marilyn Mornington speaking to her teacher, Sheikh Hamza Yusuf, about the issues of marriage & domestic violence in Muslim communities in the UK. She talks about understanding the cultural barriers, combatting prejudice, reconciliation... to better help resolve the marital issues of the Muslim community. Quite insightful.

https://www.youtube.com...

'They are, they explain, concerned that their marriage, conducted several years ago, might somehow be invalid. To blame is a technicality of Islamic law: the woman divorced her first husband in the UK courts, but failed to also obtain a religious divorce, or Talaq.

So the couple are worried this inadvertent breach of Muslim custom could, on paper, mean that she is living as an adulteress.'

- Yeah, this probably relates to cases where the judge approved the separation, while the husband did not sign the divorce papers. If then, she remarries another without the approval of a muslim judge or arbitrator , her act would be considered 'Zina Shubha' (pseudo-adultery), which is not a punishable act by Shari'a, though still sinful.
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