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12/18/2015 4:06:37 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
http://www.cnn.com...

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

So... This is what it seems has happened. Then DNC runs a system (outsourced) with voter information they make available to the candidates. There is the ability for each campaign to add information about the data (metadata). What they add is proprietary (or should be). Said crappy outsourced company does a sh1t job, and opens the data to all who have access. The Sanders person (IT head) looks, sees unusual files and pokes around to "see what he is seeing". They then TELL the DNC of the crap security, and get penalize.

As someone who is involved in IT and access to data every day - I can tell you - its not like warning lights go off every time there is a hole. You have to have an idea of what you are looking at. There is no perfectly obvious way to know what is happening until you look at it. In other words, Sanders guy did nothing wrong. The DNC did something wrong.

Thoughts?
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12/18/2015 4:27:53 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
I've used a similar, if not an exact copy, of the program the DNC and these campaigns use, and while you're right that the breach isn't immediately sounding off warning bells everywhere, you can tell pretty quickly when you have information that isn't from your campaign. Names, dates, and so on are all attached to every change made within the program, and given the respective sizes of the campaigns I suspect that if you took a look at any of the compiled statistics that the program allows you to create, you'd find out pretty quickly something's up.

So while the breach is the fault of NGP VAN, the fact that the Sanders staffer didn't immediately step back from it, and directed others to become involved in his looksie at the breach, is a concern that I can see the DNC penalizing the campaign for. Yes, the vendor needs to be asked to fix their shite (NGP isn't too bad of a company, honestly), but the staffer should have known enough to shut it down completely and wait for NGP to fix the problem on their end, not go poking around seeing what was up.
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12/18/2015 4:36:36 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 4:27:53 PM, Volkov wrote:
I've used a similar, if not an exact copy, of the program the DNC and these campaigns use, and while you're right that the breach isn't immediately sounding off warning bells everywhere, you can tell pretty quickly when you have information that isn't from your campaign. Names, dates, and so on are all attached to every change made within the program, and given the respective sizes of the campaigns I suspect that if you took a look at any of the compiled statistics that the program allows you to create, you'd find out pretty quickly something's up.

So while the breach is the fault of NGP VAN, the fact that the Sanders staffer didn't immediately step back from it, and directed others to become involved in his looksie at the breach, is a concern that I can see the DNC penalizing the campaign for. Yes, the vendor needs to be asked to fix their shite (NGP isn't too bad of a company, honestly), but the staffer should have known enough to shut it down completely and wait for NGP to fix the problem on their end, not go poking around seeing what was up.

I think the involvement of others went the other way around. I see it happening more like

Staffer (not even tech): Yea, look at this weird stuff I am seeing.
Staffer 2: How odd. Not ours, right? Lets call IT.
IT Staffer: WOW, this looks like Clinton stuff. Get head dude!
IT Director: Let me look. OK, yea, this is Clinton stuff, lets get DNC on the phone.
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12/18/2015 4:41:15 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Breaking: Sanders staffer managed to access Clintons data due to unsecured email server
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12/18/2015 4:44:14 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 4:36:36 PM, TBR wrote:
I think the involvement of others went the other way around. I see it happening more like

Staffer (not even tech): Yea, look at this weird stuff I am seeing.
Staffer 2: How odd. Not ours, right? Lets call IT.
IT Staffer: WOW, this looks like Clinton stuff. Get head dude!
IT Director: Let me look. OK, yea, this is Clinton stuff, lets get DNC on the phone.

In the article, the Sanders staffer said he was "trying to understand" how the breach affected their data; which is a reasonable excuse, but still an excuse, and one that clearly concerned the DNC to the point that they decided to crack down harshly on it. While I can see it being an overreaction, frankly we don't know if there has been other incidents of this type that the campaigns have been warned over.

Or it could just be the DNC wants to screw over Bernie, I can totally see that. But I'm not that much of a cynic, usually.
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12/18/2015 4:55:24 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 4:44:14 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 12/18/2015 4:36:36 PM, TBR wrote:
I think the involvement of others went the other way around. I see it happening more like

Staffer (not even tech): Yea, look at this weird stuff I am seeing.
Staffer 2: How odd. Not ours, right? Lets call IT.
IT Staffer: WOW, this looks like Clinton stuff. Get head dude!
IT Director: Let me look. OK, yea, this is Clinton stuff, lets get DNC on the phone.

In the article, the Sanders staffer said he was "trying to understand" how the breach affected their data; which is a reasonable excuse, but still an excuse, and one that clearly concerned the DNC to the point that they decided to crack down harshly on it. While I can see it being an overreaction, frankly we don't know if there has been other incidents of this type that the campaigns have been warned over.

Or it could just be the DNC wants to screw over Bernie, I can totally see that. But I'm not that much of a cynic, usually.

I don't disagree with this. They, the DNC, has to react. I do assume that they prefer Clinton, but I can't say this is a conspiracy to hurt Sanders. All I am getting out there is, stuff like this is not necessary nefarious. I used an app way back to crack a Netware 3.12 server - its name was "burgle". The audit team was in after the fact, and made a huge deal out of the situation. The sticking point, the name of the tool, not the action taken.
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12/19/2015 1:32:43 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 4:06:37 PM, TBR wrote:
Thoughts?

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the DNC are trying anything they can to ensure a Clinton victory.
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12/19/2015 6:22:04 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 4:06:37 PM, TBR wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

So... This is what it seems has happened. Then DNC runs a system (outsourced) with voter information they make available to the candidates. There is the ability for each campaign to add information about the data (metadata). What they add is proprietary (or should be). Said crappy outsourced company does a sh1t job, and opens the data to all who have access. The Sanders person (IT head) looks, sees unusual files and pokes around to "see what he is seeing". They then TELL the DNC of the crap security, and get penalize.

As someone who is involved in IT and access to data every day - I can tell you - its not like warning lights go off every time there is a hole. You have to have an idea of what you are looking at. There is no perfectly obvious way to know what is happening until you look at it. In other words, Sanders guy did nothing wrong. The DNC did something wrong.

Thoughts?

I don't know if this is true, but I read a news article on Facebook saying not only was Bernie's campaign able to access Clinton's data but Clinton's campaign was able to access Bernie's data, also.
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12/19/2015 6:26:21 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 4:06:37 PM, TBR wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

So... This is what it seems has happened. Then DNC runs a system (outsourced) with voter information they make available to the candidates. There is the ability for each campaign to add information about the data (metadata). What they add is proprietary (or should be). Said crappy outsourced company does a sh1t job, and opens the data to all who have access. The Sanders person (IT head) looks, sees unusual files and pokes around to "see what he is seeing". They then TELL the DNC of the crap security, and get penalize.

As someone who is involved in IT and access to data every day - I can tell you - its not like warning lights go off every time there is a hole. You have to have an idea of what you are looking at. There is no perfectly obvious way to know what is happening until you look at it. In other words, Sanders guy did nothing wrong. The DNC did something wrong.

Thoughts?

Im highly enjoying watching Sanders fans squirm in facebook posts about this topic XD
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12/19/2015 6:39:17 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 4:06:37 PM, TBR wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

So... This is what it seems has happened. Then DNC runs a system (outsourced) with voter information they make available to the candidates. There is the ability for each campaign to add information about the data (metadata). What they add is proprietary (or should be). Said crappy outsourced company does a sh1t job, and opens the data to all who have access. The Sanders person (IT head) looks, sees unusual files and pokes around to "see what he is seeing". They then TELL the DNC of the crap security, and get penalize.

As someone who is involved in IT and access to data every day - I can tell you - its not like warning lights go off every time there is a hole. You have to have an idea of what you are looking at. There is no perfectly obvious way to know what is happening until you look at it. In other words, Sanders guy did nothing wrong. The DNC did something wrong.

Thoughts?

About damn time he's getting some media attention :D
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12/19/2015 6:56:33 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/19/2015 6:26:21 AM, imabench wrote:
At 12/18/2015 4:06:37 PM, TBR wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

So... This is what it seems has happened. Then DNC runs a system (outsourced) with voter information they make available to the candidates. There is the ability for each campaign to add information about the data (metadata). What they add is proprietary (or should be). Said crappy outsourced company does a sh1t job, and opens the data to all who have access. The Sanders person (IT head) looks, sees unusual files and pokes around to "see what he is seeing". They then TELL the DNC of the crap security, and get penalize.

As someone who is involved in IT and access to data every day - I can tell you - its not like warning lights go off every time there is a hole. You have to have an idea of what you are looking at. There is no perfectly obvious way to know what is happening until you look at it. In other words, Sanders guy did nothing wrong. The DNC did something wrong.

Thoughts?

Im highly enjoying watching Sanders fans squirm in facebook posts about this topic

Not any longer:

XDhttp://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...
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12/19/2015 6:59:47 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 4:06:37 PM, TBR wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

So... This is what it seems has happened. Then DNC runs a system (outsourced) with voter information they make available to the candidates. There is the ability for each campaign to add information about the data (metadata). What they add is proprietary (or should be). Said crappy outsourced company does a sh1t job, and opens the data to all who have access. The Sanders person (IT head) looks, sees unusual files and pokes around to "see what he is seeing". They then TELL the DNC of the crap security, and get penalize.

As someone who is involved in IT and access to data every day - I can tell you - its not like warning lights go off every time there is a hole. You have to have an idea of what you are looking at. There is no perfectly obvious way to know what is happening until you look at it. In other words, Sanders guy did nothing wrong. The DNC did something wrong.

Thoughts?

The DNC has reversed its decision. Bernie's campaign will have access to their files by Saturday morning:

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...
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12/19/2015 3:32:38 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
The entire story has taken new dimensions. Why didn't Clinton tell anyone? They had the same access. Why did Sanders get access cut now, they told of the problem in October, and again during this "patch".
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12/19/2015 3:47:39 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/19/2015 6:59:47 AM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/18/2015 4:06:37 PM, TBR wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

So... This is what it seems has happened. Then DNC runs a system (outsourced) with voter information they make available to the candidates. There is the ability for each campaign to add information about the data (metadata). What they add is proprietary (or should be). Said crappy outsourced company does a sh1t job, and opens the data to all who have access. The Sanders person (IT head) looks, sees unusual files and pokes around to "see what he is seeing". They then TELL the DNC of the crap security, and get penalize.

As someone who is involved in IT and access to data every day - I can tell you - its not like warning lights go off every time there is a hole. You have to have an idea of what you are looking at. There is no perfectly obvious way to know what is happening until you look at it. In other words, Sanders guy did nothing wrong. The DNC did something wrong.

Thoughts?

The DNC has reversed its decision. Bernie's campaign will have access to their files by Saturday morning:

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...

The support for Sanders during this fiasco was overwhelming, but I wonder what the impact on public opinion might be. One of his strengths in the polls is his truth-worthiness, and now the headlines are full of topics like "access to Clinton data" and "lawsuit."
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12/19/2015 4:02:58 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/19/2015 3:47:39 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 12/19/2015 6:59:47 AM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/18/2015 4:06:37 PM, TBR wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

So... This is what it seems has happened. Then DNC runs a system (outsourced) with voter information they make available to the candidates. There is the ability for each campaign to add information about the data (metadata). What they add is proprietary (or should be). Said crappy outsourced company does a sh1t job, and opens the data to all who have access. The Sanders person (IT head) looks, sees unusual files and pokes around to "see what he is seeing". They then TELL the DNC of the crap security, and get penalize.

As someone who is involved in IT and access to data every day - I can tell you - its not like warning lights go off every time there is a hole. You have to have an idea of what you are looking at. There is no perfectly obvious way to know what is happening until you look at it. In other words, Sanders guy did nothing wrong. The DNC did something wrong.

Thoughts?

The DNC has reversed its decision. Bernie's campaign will have access to their files by Saturday morning:

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...

The support for Sanders during this fiasco was overwhelming, but I wonder what the impact on public opinion might be. One of his strengths in the polls is his truth-worthiness, and now the headlines are full of topics like "access to Clinton data" and "lawsuit."

Can only wait and see, but the buzz today seems very different than yesterday.

The story is clearly now about Sanders doing the RIGHT thing, informing the DNC, Clinton perhaps NOT doing the right thing (no call from them), and the DNC still penalizing Sanders for reporting the error.

That seems the read today.
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12/19/2015 7:34:46 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/19/2015 3:47:39 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 12/19/2015 6:59:47 AM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/18/2015 4:06:37 PM, TBR wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

So... This is what it seems has happened. Then DNC runs a system (outsourced) with voter information they make available to the candidates. There is the ability for each campaign to add information about the data (metadata). What they add is proprietary (or should be). Said crappy outsourced company does a sh1t job, and opens the data to all who have access. The Sanders person (IT head) looks, sees unusual files and pokes around to "see what he is seeing". They then TELL the DNC of the crap security, and get penalize.

As someone who is involved in IT and access to data every day - I can tell you - its not like warning lights go off every time there is a hole. You have to have an idea of what you are looking at. There is no perfectly obvious way to know what is happening until you look at it. In other words, Sanders guy did nothing wrong. The DNC did something wrong.

Thoughts?

The DNC has reversed its decision. Bernie's campaign will have access to their files by Saturday morning:

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...

The support for Sanders during this fiasco was overwhelming, but I wonder what the impact on public opinion might be. One of his strengths in the polls is his truth-worthiness, and now the headlines are full of topics like "access to Clinton data" and "lawsuit."

However, the media is leaving out the fact at the same time Bernie's campaign had access to Clinton's data Clinton's campaign had access to Bernie's data.
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12/19/2015 11:39:10 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Clinton should have never let Monica have a chance. She should have already been down there on Bill taking care of business. you know it's true...
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12/20/2015 1:15:11 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 4:06:37 PM, TBR wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

So... This is what it seems has happened. Then DNC runs a system (outsourced) with voter information they make available to the candidates. There is the ability for each campaign to add information about the data (metadata). What they add is proprietary (or should be). Said crappy outsourced company does a sh1t job, and opens the data to all who have access. The Sanders person (IT head) looks, sees unusual files and pokes around to "see what he is seeing". They then TELL the DNC of the crap security, and get penalize.

As someone who is involved in IT and access to data every day - I can tell you - its not like warning lights go off every time there is a hole. You have to have an idea of what you are looking at. There is no perfectly obvious way to know what is happening until you look at it. In other words, Sanders guy did nothing wrong. The DNC did something wrong.

Thoughts?

It just reeks of strategic negligence, on the DNC's part.

There is no doubt that monied interests in this election are really disturbed by what Sanders represents. They are going to do everything they can to marginalize him. This is likely the first of much more to come.
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12/20/2015 1:23:52 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/20/2015 1:15:11 AM, YYW wrote:
At 12/18/2015 4:06:37 PM, TBR wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

So... This is what it seems has happened. Then DNC runs a system (outsourced) with voter information they make available to the candidates. There is the ability for each campaign to add information about the data (metadata). What they add is proprietary (or should be). Said crappy outsourced company does a sh1t job, and opens the data to all who have access. The Sanders person (IT head) looks, sees unusual files and pokes around to "see what he is seeing". They then TELL the DNC of the crap security, and get penalize.

As someone who is involved in IT and access to data every day - I can tell you - its not like warning lights go off every time there is a hole. You have to have an idea of what you are looking at. There is no perfectly obvious way to know what is happening until you look at it. In other words, Sanders guy did nothing wrong. The DNC did something wrong.

Thoughts?

It just reeks of strategic negligence, on the DNC's part.

There is no doubt that monied interests in this election are really disturbed by what Sanders represents. They are going to do everything they can to marginalize him. This is likely the first of much more to come.

Lets see how it plays during the debate. It seems this is not going away, and looks like a problem with the DNC more than Sanders - from a PR perspective.
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12/20/2015 2:04:57 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/20/2015 1:15:11 AM, YYW wrote:
At 12/18/2015 4:06:37 PM, TBR wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

So... This is what it seems has happened. Then DNC runs a system (outsourced) with voter information they make available to the candidates. There is the ability for each campaign to add information about the data (metadata). What they add is proprietary (or should be). Said crappy outsourced company does a sh1t job, and opens the data to all who have access. The Sanders person (IT head) looks, sees unusual files and pokes around to "see what he is seeing". They then TELL the DNC of the crap security, and get penalize.

As someone who is involved in IT and access to data every day - I can tell you - its not like warning lights go off every time there is a hole. You have to have an idea of what you are looking at. There is no perfectly obvious way to know what is happening until you look at it. In other words, Sanders guy did nothing wrong. The DNC did something wrong.

Thoughts?

It just reeks of strategic negligence, on the DNC's part.

There is no doubt that monied interests in this election are really disturbed by what Sanders represents. They are going to do everything they can to marginalize him. This is likely the first of much more to come.

I think they all did a good job with this question on stage with this. However, Sanders should have stopped short of talking of the email issue.
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12/20/2015 2:10:10 AM
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At 12/20/2015 2:04:57 AM, TBR wrote:
At 12/20/2015 1:15:11 AM, YYW wrote:
At 12/18/2015 4:06:37 PM, TBR wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

So... This is what it seems has happened. Then DNC runs a system (outsourced) with voter information they make available to the candidates. There is the ability for each campaign to add information about the data (metadata). What they add is proprietary (or should be). Said crappy outsourced company does a sh1t job, and opens the data to all who have access. The Sanders person (IT head) looks, sees unusual files and pokes around to "see what he is seeing". They then TELL the DNC of the crap security, and get penalize.

As someone who is involved in IT and access to data every day - I can tell you - its not like warning lights go off every time there is a hole. You have to have an idea of what you are looking at. There is no perfectly obvious way to know what is happening until you look at it. In other words, Sanders guy did nothing wrong. The DNC did something wrong.

Thoughts?

It just reeks of strategic negligence, on the DNC's part.

There is no doubt that monied interests in this election are really disturbed by what Sanders represents. They are going to do everything they can to marginalize him. This is likely the first of much more to come.

I think they all did a good job with this question on stage with this. However, Sanders should have stopped short of talking of the email issue.

I'm not even watching it... Democratic debates are less interesting than Republican ones. The GOP is just like a reality show these days.
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