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12/19/2015 10:44:09 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Is there any situation where a U.S. President can declare he is serving more than 2 terms constitutionally or legally?
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12/19/2015 11:04:02 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/19/2015 10:44:09 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Is there any situation where a U.S. President can declare he is serving more than 2 terms constitutionally or legally?

Well... How about you read the 22nd Amendment
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
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12/19/2015 11:08:15 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/19/2015 11:04:02 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/19/2015 10:44:09 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Is there any situation where a U.S. President can declare he is serving more than 2 terms constitutionally or legally?

Well... How about you read the 22nd Amendment
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Obama sometimes speaks of what he would do with a 3rd term. So I was just curious if that was even legal or possible.
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12/19/2015 11:10:47 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/19/2015 11:08:15 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:04:02 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/19/2015 10:44:09 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Is there any situation where a U.S. President can declare he is serving more than 2 terms constitutionally or legally?

Well... How about you read the 22nd Amendment
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Obama sometimes speaks of what he would do with a 3rd term. So I was just curious if that was even legal or possible.

I think 1) you know it's not legal or possible. 2) Obama, when he spoke of it, only was discussing the hypothetical. 3) Want to perpetuate some conspiracy theory.

If you go back to the end of the Bush Jr admin, there were tons of similar discussions. Same was true of each president going back as long as I have known.
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12/19/2015 11:13:15 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/19/2015 11:10:47 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:08:15 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:04:02 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/19/2015 10:44:09 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Is there any situation where a U.S. President can declare he is serving more than 2 terms constitutionally or legally?

Well... How about you read the 22nd Amendment
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Obama sometimes speaks of what he would do with a 3rd term. So I was just curious if that was even legal or possible.

I think 1) you know it's not legal or possible. 2) Obama, when he spoke of it, only was discussing the hypothetical. 3) Want to perpetuate some conspiracy theory.

If you go back to the end of the Bush Jr admin, there were tons of similar discussions. Same was true of each president going back as long as I have known.

Fair enough. I was just curious. He seems to have no concern for the Constitution, so I wanted to inquire the thoughts of others.
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12/19/2015 11:17:02 PM
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Fair enough. I was just curious. He seems to have no concern for the Constitution, so I wanted to inquire the thoughts of others.

And we have Obama talking point number #72. The guy is not only fine with the constitution, he knows it better than just about any president many many terms.
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12/19/2015 11:19:35 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/19/2015 11:17:02 PM, TBR wrote:
Fair enough. I was just curious. He seems to have no concern for the Constitution, so I wanted to inquire the thoughts of others.

And we have Obama talking point number #72. The guy is not only fine with the constitution, he knows it better than just about any president many many terms.

He also claims to be a Christian, but cannot say the name Jesus, was not raised a Christian, and mocked the Sermon on the Mount, so one of two things is in question: his ability to tell the truth, OR his IQ.
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12/19/2015 11:21:07 PM
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Technically a president could serve DURING 3 terms, just not three full terms. Say Obama dies right now with less two years left in his term. Biden would serve out the remainder of Obama's term and, if he wished, would be eligible to be elected again twice.
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12/19/2015 11:22:38 PM
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This was the response of George Bush, whom I did not support, when asked about his faith. Obama makes no like declaration.

https://youtu.be...
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12/19/2015 11:32:40 PM
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At 12/19/2015 11:19:35 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:17:02 PM, TBR wrote:
Fair enough. I was just curious. He seems to have no concern for the Constitution, so I wanted to inquire the thoughts of others.

And we have Obama talking point number #72. The guy is not only fine with the constitution, he knows it better than just about any president many many terms.

He also claims to be a Christian, but cannot say the name Jesus, was not raised a Christian, and mocked the Sermon on the Mount, so one of two things is in question: his ability to tell the truth, OR his IQ.

Are you channeling GrittyWorm? What is wrong with the way he addressed Jeuss in this video ~40 sec in, or 1:00. This sort of conspiracy nonsense is boring.
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12/19/2015 11:33:56 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/19/2015 11:32:40 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:19:35 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:17:02 PM, TBR wrote:
Fair enough. I was just curious. He seems to have no concern for the Constitution, so I wanted to inquire the thoughts of others.

And we have Obama talking point number #72. The guy is not only fine with the constitution, he knows it better than just about any president many many terms.

He also claims to be a Christian, but cannot say the name Jesus, was not raised a Christian, and mocked the Sermon on the Mount, so one of two things is in question: his ability to tell the truth, OR his IQ.

Are you channeling GrittyWorm? What is wrong with the way he addressed Jeuss in this video ~40 sec in, or 1:00. This sort of conspiracy nonsense is boring.



What is a gritty worm? You've lost me.
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12/19/2015 11:34:25 PM
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At 12/19/2015 11:22:38 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
This was the response of George Bush, whom I did not support, when asked about his faith. Obama makes no like declaration.

https://youtu.be...

I have no care that he is not Christian enough for you.
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12/19/2015 11:37:26 PM
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At 12/19/2015 11:34:25 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:22:38 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
This was the response of George Bush, whom I did not support, when asked about his faith. Obama makes no like declaration.

https://youtu.be...

I have no care that he is not Christian enough for you.

What are you talking about TBR. Speak clearly so I can understand what you mean.
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12/19/2015 11:44:26 PM
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At 12/19/2015 11:37:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:34:25 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:22:38 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
This was the response of George Bush, whom I did not support, when asked about his faith. Obama makes no like declaration.

https://youtu.be...

I have no care that he is not Christian enough for you.

What are you talking about TBR. Speak clearly so I can understand what you mean.

What's not to get? You question his Christian credentials, I tell you I have no concern for your personal Christian litmus test.
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12/19/2015 11:46:45 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/19/2015 11:44:26 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:37:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:34:25 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:22:38 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
This was the response of George Bush, whom I did not support, when asked about his faith. Obama makes no like declaration.

https://youtu.be...

I have no care that he is not Christian enough for you.

What are you talking about TBR. Speak clearly so I can understand what you mean.

What's not to get? You question his Christian credentials, I tell you I have no concern for your personal Christian litmus test.

I didn't realize you were talking about another poster. There was no "Gritty Worm" when I was last on the forum. She seems odd.
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12/19/2015 11:55:05 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/19/2015 11:46:45 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:44:26 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:37:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:34:25 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:22:38 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
This was the response of George Bush, whom I did not support, when asked about his faith. Obama makes no like declaration.

https://youtu.be...

I have no care that he is not Christian enough for you.

What are you talking about TBR. Speak clearly so I can understand what you mean.

What's not to get? You question his Christian credentials, I tell you I have no concern for your personal Christian litmus test.

I didn't realize you were talking about another poster. There was no "Gritty Worm" when I was last on the forum. She seems odd.

You and the other user gravitate to several of the same Obama points. I have no idea what your issue (or his) with Obama's reference to the Sermon on the Mount. Your reading of the comment seems like confirmation bias.
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12/20/2015 12:35:45 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/19/2015 11:21:07 PM, thett3 wrote:
Technically a president could serve DURING 3 terms, just not three full terms. Say Obama dies right now with less two years left in his term. Biden would serve out the remainder of Obama's term and, if he wished, would be eligible to be elected again twice.

So if President Trump died 2 hours after he was sworn in and VP Putin served what was essentially a whole term on Trump's behalf, could he then get re-elected twice and serve what was basically 3 whole terms?
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12/20/2015 12:39:52 AM
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At 12/20/2015 12:35:45 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:21:07 PM, thett3 wrote:
Technically a president could serve DURING 3 terms, just not three full terms. Say Obama dies right now with less two years left in his term. Biden would serve out the remainder of Obama's term and, if he wished, would be eligible to be elected again twice.

So if President Trump died 2 hours after he was sworn in and VP Putin served what was essentially a whole term on Trump's behalf, could he then get re-elected twice and serve what was basically 3 whole terms?

Sadly no, Putin would only be able to be reelected once in that scenario :(

If the person serves less than two years of a term they are eligible to run for two full terms. If they serve more than two years they can only run for one full term. The max a person could serve would be ten years, 1 year + 364 days of someone else's term and then 8 years of their own terms.
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12/20/2015 12:52:19 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/20/2015 12:35:45 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:21:07 PM, thett3 wrote:
Technically a president could serve DURING 3 terms, just not three full terms. Say Obama dies right now with less two years left in his term. Biden would serve out the remainder of Obama's term and, if he wished, would be eligible to be elected again twice.

So if President Trump died 2 hours after he was sworn in and VP Putin served what was essentially a whole term on Trump's behalf, could he then get re-elected twice and serve what was basically 3 whole terms?

Yea, no...

The text of 22nd is clear enough.

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice,

and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.
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12/20/2015 1:17:38 AM
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It is most definitely not legal in any way. It was more traditional than forced to hold up to two terms, until FDR got elected 4 consecutive times. Then the 22nd Amendment was passed, so no more Presidents for more than 2 terms.
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12/20/2015 1:46:24 AM
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At 12/19/2015 11:19:35 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
He also claims to be a Christian, but cannot say the name Jesus, was not raised a Christian, and mocked the Sermon on the Mount, so one of two things is in question: his ability to tell the truth, OR his IQ.

It is quite worrying how many Americans care about the personal religious beliefs of their president, so much as to accuse him of lying about them.
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12/20/2015 1:48:55 AM
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At 12/20/2015 12:35:45 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:21:07 PM, thett3 wrote:
Technically a president could serve DURING 3 terms, just not three full terms. Say Obama dies right now with less two years left in his term. Biden would serve out the remainder of Obama's term and, if he wished, would be eligible to be elected again twice.

So if President Trump died 2 hours after he was sworn in and VP Putin served what was essentially a whole term on Trump's behalf, could he then get re-elected twice and serve what was basically 3 whole terms?

Well, I guess so, because they weren't 3 full terms. Putin might cause a lot of uproar over it though, and lose quite a bit of support even after the eventual supreme court decision in his favor.
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12/20/2015 4:57:29 AM
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At 12/19/2015 10:44:09 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Is there any situation where a U.S. President can declare he is serving more than 2 terms constitutionally or legally?
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You know I was thinking about this the other day? If Donald Trump became President, should Obama defy the Constitution and continue to be President in order to save the nation?
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12/20/2015 11:56:46 PM
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At 12/19/2015 10:44:09 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Is there any situation where a U.S. President can declare he is serving more than 2 terms constitutionally or legally? : :

No but once a person experiences the power of being a President, it must be very difficult to walk away from it.
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12/21/2015 12:02:38 AM
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At 12/20/2015 1:46:24 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:19:35 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
He also claims to be a Christian, but cannot say the name Jesus, was not raised a Christian, and mocked the Sermon on the Mount, so one of two things is in question: his ability to tell the truth, OR his IQ.

It is quite worrying how many Americans care about the personal religious beliefs of their president, so much as to accuse him of lying about them.

I don't find it surprising that many people care about the religion of the person they are electing. Religion plays quite a large factor in a person's personality as well as their beliefs, both political and social.

It may be stupid that they use this as a factor, but it is definitely not surprising. I am sure that a Catholic Priest wouldn't vote for a Sharia Law favoring Muslim.
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12/21/2015 2:38:46 AM
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At 12/19/2015 11:13:15 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:10:47 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:08:15 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/19/2015 11:04:02 PM, TBR wrote:
At 12/19/2015 10:44:09 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Is there any situation where a U.S. President can declare he is serving more than 2 terms constitutionally or legally?

Well... How about you read the 22nd Amendment
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Obama sometimes speaks of what he would do with a 3rd term. So I was just curious if that was even legal or possible.

I think 1) you know it's not legal or possible. 2) Obama, when he spoke of it, only was discussing the hypothetical. 3) Want to perpetuate some conspiracy theory.

If you go back to the end of the Bush Jr admin, there were tons of similar discussions. Same was true of each president going back as long as I have known.

Fair enough. I was just curious. He seems to have no concern for the Constitution, so I wanted to inquire the thoughts of others.

An example of him having no concern for the Constitution?