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Fanny
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12/23/2015 5:48:47 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Conservatives oppose gun control, saying "Nothing will stop already criminals from breaking the law. Law abiding citizens don't abuse guns."

Conservatives want to ban refugees because of terrorism and what happened in France. "Nothing will stop an already terrorist from entering the US or harming our country. Law abiding refugees don't abuse immigration."

Anyone want salad?
Maccabee
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12/23/2015 6:25:26 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/23/2015 5:48:47 PM, Fanny wrote:
Conservatives oppose gun control, saying "Nothing will stop already criminals from breaking the law. Law abiding citizens don't abuse guns."

Conservatives want to ban refugees because of terrorism and what happened in France. "Nothing will stop an already terrorist from entering the US or harming our country. Law abiding refugees don't abuse immigration."

Anyone want salad?
If they cross the border illegally then they're not law abiding, period.
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"If guns are the cause of crimes then aren't matches the cause of arson?" D. Boys

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12/23/2015 7:33:06 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
If Obama is justified in suspending deportation laws for emotional reasons, then Trump is also justified for suspending immigration for practical reasons.
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12/23/2015 7:42:22 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/23/2015 5:48:47 PM, Fanny wrote:
Conservatives oppose gun control, saying "Nothing will stop already criminals from breaking the law. Law abiding citizens don't abuse guns."

There are good reasons to oppose gun control. Virtually no conservatives oppose gun control, they oppose excessive gun control. It's already been shown that tough gun control doesn't even help reduce the crime rate.

Conservatives want to ban refugees because of terrorism and what happened in France. "Nothing will stop an already terrorist from entering the US or harming our country. Law abiding refugees don't abuse immigration."

I've never heard them say "nothing will stop a terrorist from entering the US." Who did you hear saying this? Conservatives are against letting in refugees because of the threat.

Coming from a progressive, stuff like this makes the left wing look terrible uninformed.
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The_American_Conservative
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12/23/2015 7:44:26 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/23/2015 7:42:22 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 12/23/2015 5:48:47 PM, Fanny wrote:
Conservatives oppose gun control, saying "Nothing will stop already criminals from breaking the law. Law abiding citizens don't abuse guns."

There are good reasons to oppose gun control. Virtually no conservatives oppose gun control, they oppose excessive gun control. It's already been shown that tough gun control doesn't even help reduce the crime rate.

Conservatives want to ban refugees because of terrorism and what happened in France. "Nothing will stop an already terrorist from entering the US or harming our country. Law abiding refugees don't abuse immigration."

I've never heard them say "nothing will stop a terrorist from entering the US." Who did you hear saying this? Conservatives are against letting in refugees because of the threat.


Coming from a progressive, stuff like this makes the left wing look terrible uninformed.

You are definetely not a progressive. Judging by your big issues, you seem far more libertarian to me.
IntellectVsSpirit5000
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12/23/2015 7:55:27 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/23/2015 5:48:47 PM, Fanny wrote:
Conservatives oppose gun control, saying "Nothing will stop already criminals from breaking the law. Law abiding citizens don't abuse guns."

Conservatives want to ban refugees because of terrorism and what happened in France. "Nothing will stop an already terrorist from entering the US or harming our country. Law abiding refugees don't abuse immigration."

Anyone want salad?

If we have an enemy who uses deception to destroy us, giving us fake smiles, false handshakes, yet seeks our destruction and world domination, what would you suggest we do? Just let them do as they will in the name of peace and tllerance as we lay down our culture, our rights, and our way of life? No I don't want a salad. I want to protect the American way of life as I watch the Liberals step aside and give thunderous applause to anything that puts our nation in dangerous. Liberalism has become madness. Political correctness is more important than free speech. Tolerance is more important than self preservation and defending our families, and the Constitution plays second fiddle to Liberal Socialism. Our forfathers would kick today's Liberals as* and have no problemdoing so. It'd be real men vs. Cowards.
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12/23/2015 8:05:26 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
If it were really the case that terrorists could just enter the United States at whim without the knowledge of the CIA or NSA, we would have a very big problem.
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12/23/2015 8:28:03 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/23/2015 7:33:06 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
If Obama is justified in suspending deportation laws for emotional reasons, then Trump is also justified for suspending immigration for practical reasons.

I like that phrase right there.
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12/23/2015 8:29:25 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/23/2015 5:48:47 PM, Fanny wrote:
Conservatives oppose gun control, saying "Nothing will stop already criminals from breaking the law. Law abiding citizens don't abuse guns."

Conservatives want to ban refugees because of terrorism and what happened in France. "Nothing will stop an already terrorist from entering the US or harming our country. Law abiding refugees don't abuse immigration."

Anyone want salad?

The difference is that illegal immigration is breaking the law, and there's quite a large difference between weapons in the hands of American citizens and mass importing of potentially dangerous immigrants.

Your liberal logic (loose term, liberals lack the ability to be logical) just contradicted yourself.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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12/23/2015 8:34:23 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/23/2015 7:55:27 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/23/2015 5:48:47 PM, Fanny wrote:
Conservatives oppose gun control, saying "Nothing will stop already criminals from breaking the law. Law abiding citizens don't abuse guns."

Conservatives want to ban refugees because of terrorism and what happened in France. "Nothing will stop an already terrorist from entering the US or harming our country. Law abiding refugees don't abuse immigration."

Anyone want salad?

If we have an enemy who uses deception to destroy us, giving us fake smiles, false handshakes, yet seeks our destruction and world domination, what would you suggest we do? Just let them do as they will in the name of peace and tllerance as we lay down our culture, our rights, and our way of life? No I don't want a salad. I want to protect the American way of life as I watch the Liberals step aside and give thunderous applause to anything that puts our nation in dangerous. Liberalism has become madness. Political correctness is more important than free speech. Tolerance is more important than self preservation and defending our families, and the Constitution plays second fiddle to Liberal Socialism. Our forfathers would kick today's Liberals as* and have no problemdoing so. It'd be real men vs. Cowards.

If a civil war breaks out, the only armed individuals liberals will have on their side will be the Black and Latino gang members. That's it, and they can't even hold a gun properly.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
Maccabee
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12/23/2015 8:47:31 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
I think OP got swamped by the first 9 posts.
Scripture, facts, stats, and logic is how I argue

Evolutionism is a religion, not science

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

"If guns are the cause of crimes then aren't matches the cause of arson?" D. Boys

"If the death penalty is government sanctioned killing then isn't inprisonment is government sanction kidnapping?" D. B

"Why do you trust the government with machine guns but not honest citizens?" D. B

All those who are pro-death (abortion) is already born
IntellectVsSpirit5000
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12/24/2015 6:04:30 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
Here's why they actually need banned. Lets quote their "holy book".

8:12 Allah will terrorize unbelievers; Muslims should behead them

"When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, "I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers" hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!""

8:39 Fight unbelievers until Islam reigns supreme

"Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah"s entirely; then if they give over, surely Allah sees the things they do."

8:60 Make war against enemies of Allah

"Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to terrify thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatsoever you expend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged."

9:5 Slay the idolaters

"Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate."

9:28 Idolaters unclean

"O believers, the idolaters are indeed unclean; so let them not come near the Holy Mosque after this year of theirs. If you fear poverty, Allah shall surely enrich you of His bounty, if He will; Allah is All-knowing; All-wise."

9:29 Fight and subjugate the Jews and Christians

"Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden " such men as practise not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book " until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled."

9:30 Jews and Christians assailed by Allah

"The Jews say, "Ezra is the Son of Allah"; the Christians say, "The Messiah is the Son of Allah." That is the utterance of their mouths, conforming with the unbelievers before them. Allah assail them! How they are perverted!"

9:31 Jews and Christians have taken their clergy and holy men as lords

"They have taken their rabbis and their monks as lords apart from Allah, and the Messiah, Mary"s son " and they were commanded to serve but One Allah; there is no god but He; glory be to Him, above that they associate."

9:73 Be harsh with unbelievers

"O Prophet, struggle with the unbelievers and hypocrites, and be thou harsh with them; their refuge is Gehenna " an evil homecoming!"

9:111 Paradise guaranteed to those who kill and are killed for Allah

"Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph."

9:123 Fight the unbelievers, be harsh with them

"O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing."

47:4 Behead and slaughter the unbelievers; take others captive

"When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if Allah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray."

48:29 Be merciful to believers, not unbelievers

"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are hard against the unbelievers, merciful one to another."

62:6 Jews should long for death

"Say: "You of Jewry, if you assert that you are the friends of Allah, apart from other men, then do you long for death, if you speak truly.""

98:6 Unbelievers are the worst of creatures

"The unbelievers of the People of the Book and the idolaters shall be in the Fire of Gehenna, therein dwelling forever; those are the worst of creatures
Chang29
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12/25/2015 1:59:04 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/23/2015 5:48:47 PM, Fanny wrote:
Conservatives oppose gun control, saying "Nothing will stop already criminals from breaking the law. Law abiding citizens don't abuse guns."

Conservatives want to ban refugees because of terrorism and what happened in France. "Nothing will stop an already terrorist from entering the US or harming our country. Law abiding refugees don't abuse immigration."

Anyone want salad?

Also, easily reversed.

No gun control, and freedom of movement without subsidies upon arrival is a consistent position. If an individual or voluntary group wants to take care of refugees let them, but do not use collective force to subsidizes refugees. Better yet, individuals could give refugees a gun and ammo with a ticket back to fight for their home.
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