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12/28/2015 2:12:10 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
It's a great site to see that the US trained forces in Iraq have actually done something. Before they were very incompetent and just abandoned city after city leaving US equipment and weapons behind, which ISIS forces took. Though after 18 months after the fall of Ramadi, the Iraqi forces, without the help of Coalition forces, recaptured Ramadi. This is a captial of a province just miles from Bagdad. With this victory by the Iraqi military perhaps the war against ISIS is taking a turn for the better. Iraq's military officals have decided to aim for Mosul in northern Iraq and such a victory there would lead to a massive blow for the Salaphist State. What are your thoughts on the matter? Is the tide of the war turning? (http://news.yahoo.com...)
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12/28/2015 4:10:58 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 2:12:10 AM, lannan13 wrote:
It's a great site to see that the US trained forces in Iraq have actually done something. Before they were very incompetent and just abandoned city after city leaving US equipment and weapons behind, which ISIS forces took. Though after 18 months after the fall of Ramadi, the Iraqi forces, without the help of Coalition forces, recaptured Ramadi. This is a captial of a province just miles from Bagdad. With this victory by the Iraqi military perhaps the war against ISIS is taking a turn for the better. Iraq's military officals have decided to aim for Mosul in northern Iraq and such a victory there would lead to a massive blow for the Salaphist State. What are your thoughts on the matter? Is the tide of the war turning? (http://news.yahoo.com...)

ISIS has led its followers into a path that makes them a thousand times over even more the children of Satan and condemned to hell fire.
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12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.
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12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.
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12/28/2015 1:17:07 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

1. We where never involved in syria until isis rose up.
2. The reason us troops should have stayed in iraq was due to iraq back then and still is today unstable.
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12/28/2015 3:37:01 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 1:17:07 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

1. We where never involved in syria until isis rose up.
2. The reason us troops should have stayed in iraq was due to iraq back then and still is today unstable.

3.We never should have entered Iraq in the first place.
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12/28/2015 3:45:20 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 3:37:01 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:17:07 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

1. We where never involved in syria until isis rose up.
2. The reason us troops should have stayed in iraq was due to iraq back then and still is today unstable.

3.We never should have entered Iraq in the first place.

4. We should have,there are countless reasons why we should and why we did. They where creating instability in the area, they had used chemical weapons in past wars. They also preformed genocide on the kurds in the north. I believe that we had every right to get involved in iraq.
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12/28/2015 3:49:11 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 3:45:20 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:37:01 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:17:07 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

1. We where never involved in syria until isis rose up.
2. The reason us troops should have stayed in iraq was due to iraq back then and still is today unstable.

3.We never should have entered Iraq in the first place.

4. We should have,there are countless reasons why we should and why we did. They where creating instability in the area, they had used chemical weapons in past wars. They also preformed genocide on the kurds in the north. I believe that we had every right to get involved in iraq.

There are no countless reasons, there is literally only one reason, and that is we wanted more oil. There was no evidence of WMD's in Iraq, and the CIA confirmed years after the war started. Our invasion ultimately failed because our government had no interest in protecting human life, it was after something else.
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12/28/2015 3:54:26 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 3:49:11 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:45:20 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:37:01 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:17:07 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

1. We where never involved in syria until isis rose up.
2. The reason us troops should have stayed in iraq was due to iraq back then and still is today unstable.

3.We never should have entered Iraq in the first place.

4. We should have,there are countless reasons why we should and why we did. They where creating instability in the area, they had used chemical weapons in past wars. They also preformed genocide on the kurds in the north. I believe that we had every right to get involved in iraq.

There are no countless reasons, there is literally only one reason, and that is we wanted more oil. There was no evidence of WMD's in Iraq, and the CIA confirmed years after the war started. Our invasion ultimately failed because our government had no interest in protecting human life, it was after something else.

1. It was not a invasion it was military intervention there is a difference. Plus there is no reason really why we shouldn't have the only major mistake we made was pulling out to soon.
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12/28/2015 4:07:10 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 3:54:26 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:49:11 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:45:20 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:37:01 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:17:07 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

1. We where never involved in syria until isis rose up.
2. The reason us troops should have stayed in iraq was due to iraq back then and still is today unstable.

3.We never should have entered Iraq in the first place.

4. We should have,there are countless reasons why we should and why we did. They where creating instability in the area, they had used chemical weapons in past wars. They also preformed genocide on the kurds in the north. I believe that we had every right to get involved in iraq.

There are no countless reasons, there is literally only one reason, and that is we wanted more oil. There was no evidence of WMD's in Iraq, and the CIA confirmed years after the war started. Our invasion ultimately failed because our government had no interest in protecting human life, it was after something else.

1. It was not a invasion it was military intervention there is a difference. Plus there is no reason really why we shouldn't have the only major mistake we made was pulling out to soon.

No it's not...
https://en.wikipedia.org...
See how it says invasion, we invaded iraq to topple the Baathist Party.

I think you should learn more about what the Iraq War really was about... You are really misinformed.
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12/28/2015 4:13:21 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 4:07:10 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:54:26 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:49:11 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:45:20 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:37:01 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:17:07 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

1. We where never involved in syria until isis rose up.
2. The reason us troops should have stayed in iraq was due to iraq back then and still is today unstable.

3.We never should have entered Iraq in the first place.

4. We should have,there are countless reasons why we should and why we did. They where creating instability in the area, they had used chemical weapons in past wars. They also preformed genocide on the kurds in the north. I believe that we had every right to get involved in iraq.

There are no countless reasons, there is literally only one reason, and that is we wanted more oil. There was no evidence of WMD's in Iraq, and the CIA confirmed years after the war started. Our invasion ultimately failed because our government had no interest in protecting human life, it was after something else.

1. It was not a invasion it was military intervention there is a difference. Plus there is no reason really why we shouldn't have the only major mistake we made was pulling out to soon.

No it's not...
https://en.wikipedia.org...
See how it says invasion, we invaded iraq to topple the Baathist Party.

I think you should learn more about what the Iraq War really was about... You are really misinformed.

Fine but it does not change the fact that the iraq war was not unjustified. The iraqi people needed better, we failed due to giving up on them. But thwt government needed to go.
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12/29/2015 12:14:40 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 1:17:07 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

1. We where never involved in syria until isis rose up.
2. The reason us troops should have stayed in iraq was due to iraq back then and still is today unstable.

We WERE involved in Syria. In 2006 USDOD released papers and plans with Saudi Arabia to over throw Asaad in Syria.
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12/29/2015 12:16:42 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

Ramadi is in Iraq.
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12/29/2015 12:18:04 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 12:16:42 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

Ramadi is in Iraq.

I know that. If you've read the OP I stated that.
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12/29/2015 12:30:23 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 4:13:21 PM, stargate wrote:

Fine but it does not change the fact that the Iraq war was not unjustified. The Iraqi people needed better, we failed due to giving up on them. But that government needed to go.

You guys are both wrong. We got zero oil out of the deal, and we had no, absolutely zero national interest in toppling Saddam.

We invaded Iraq because the pollsters saw an angry 911 public, and the president GWB needed a scapegoat. How people cannot, to this day, still not figure this out is a shame and a disgrace.
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12/29/2015 1:44:46 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 2:12:10 AM, lannan13 wrote:
Though after 18 months after the fall of Ramadi, the Iraqi forces, without the help of Coalition forces, recaptured Ramadi.

It's heartening to see that the Iraqi military has the capacity to do this on their own. In the wide view of things this problem with terrorism in Middle Eastern countries won't be solved if Western countries have to keep going in to fix it for them.
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12/29/2015 2:26:16 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 1:44:46 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 2:12:10 AM, lannan13 wrote:
Though after 18 months after the fall of Ramadi, the Iraqi forces, without the help of Coalition forces, recaptured Ramadi.

It's heartening to see that the Iraqi military has the capacity to do this on their own. In the wide view of things this problem with terrorism in Middle Eastern countries won't be solved if Western countries have to keep going in to fix it for them.

Indeed, we have to let them control their own destiny.
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12/29/2015 2:45:32 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 3:45:20 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:37:01 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:17:07 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

1. We where never involved in syria until isis rose up.
2. The reason us troops should have stayed in iraq was due to iraq back then and still is today unstable.

3.We never should have entered Iraq in the first place.

4. We should have,there are countless reasons why we should and why we did. They where creating instability in the area, they had used chemical weapons in past wars. They also preformed genocide on the kurds in the north. I believe that we had every right to get involved in iraq.

There's no evidence and it was actually disproved that there were weapons of that magnitude in Iraq. They didn't create any instability, at least nothing compared to the instability we created. Don't forget that we allowed ISIS to rise when we invaded Iraq, destroyed the nation, and then pulled out early.
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12/29/2015 2:46:51 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 2:45:32 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:45:20 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:37:01 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:17:07 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

1. We where never involved in syria until isis rose up.
2. The reason us troops should have stayed in iraq was due to iraq back then and still is today unstable.

3.We never should have entered Iraq in the first place.

4. We should have,there are countless reasons why we should and why we did. They where creating instability in the area, they had used chemical weapons in past wars. They also preformed genocide on the kurds in the north. I believe that we had every right to get involved in iraq.

There's no evidence and it was actually disproved that there were weapons of that magnitude in Iraq. They didn't create any instability, at least nothing compared to the instability we created. Don't forget that we allowed ISIS to rise when we invaded Iraq, destroyed the nation, and then pulled out early.

We allowed that to happen when we pulles out, if we never pulled out so fast and so early things must likely would have been better.
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12/29/2015 2:47:47 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 2:46:51 AM, stargate wrote:
At 12/29/2015 2:45:32 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:45:20 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:37:01 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:17:07 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

1. We where never involved in syria until isis rose up.
2. The reason us troops should have stayed in iraq was due to iraq back then and still is today unstable.

3.We never should have entered Iraq in the first place.

4. We should have,there are countless reasons why we should and why we did. They where creating instability in the area, they had used chemical weapons in past wars. They also preformed genocide on the kurds in the north. I believe that we had every right to get involved in iraq.

There's no evidence and it was actually disproved that there were weapons of that magnitude in Iraq. They didn't create any instability, at least nothing compared to the instability we created. Don't forget that we allowed ISIS to rise when we invaded Iraq, destroyed the nation, and then pulled out early.

We allowed that to happen when we pulles out, if we never pulled out so fast and so early things must likely would have been better.

The problem wouldn't have happened in the first place if we didn't invade.
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12/29/2015 2:48:55 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 2:47:47 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 12/29/2015 2:46:51 AM, stargate wrote:
At 12/29/2015 2:45:32 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:45:20 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:37:01 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:17:07 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

1. We where never involved in syria until isis rose up.
2. The reason us troops should have stayed in iraq was due to iraq back then and still is today unstable.

3.We never should have entered Iraq in the first place.

4. We should have,there are countless reasons why we should and why we did. They where creating instability in the area, they had used chemical weapons in past wars. They also preformed genocide on the kurds in the north. I believe that we had every right to get involved in iraq.

There's no evidence and it was actually disproved that there were weapons of that magnitude in Iraq. They didn't create any instability, at least nothing compared to the instability we created. Don't forget that we allowed ISIS to rise when we invaded Iraq, destroyed the nation, and then pulled out early.

We allowed that to happen when we pulles out, if we never pulled out so fast and so early things must likely would have been better.

The problem wouldn't have happened in the first place if we didn't invade.

I see we completely disagree on this and it branchs into the bigger argument of should the us act as the worlds police.
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12/29/2015 2:59:26 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 2:48:55 AM, stargate wrote:
At 12/29/2015 2:47:47 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 12/29/2015 2:46:51 AM, stargate wrote:
At 12/29/2015 2:45:32 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:45:20 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:37:01 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:17:07 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

1. We where never involved in syria until isis rose up.
2. The reason us troops should have stayed in iraq was due to iraq back then and still is today unstable.

3.We never should have entered Iraq in the first place.

4. We should have,there are countless reasons why we should and why we did. They where creating instability in the area, they had used chemical weapons in past wars. They also preformed genocide on the kurds in the north. I believe that we had every right to get involved in iraq.

There's no evidence and it was actually disproved that there were weapons of that magnitude in Iraq. They didn't create any instability, at least nothing compared to the instability we created. Don't forget that we allowed ISIS to rise when we invaded Iraq, destroyed the nation, and then pulled out early.

We allowed that to happen when we pulles out, if we never pulled out so fast and so early things must likely would have been better.

The problem wouldn't have happened in the first place if we didn't invade.

I see we completely disagree on this and it branchs into the bigger argument of should the us act as the worlds police.

No it doesn't. It doesn't branch into that at all. There's a difference between going in to help a conflict, and going in to completely bomb and destroy a nation. One is peacekeeping, the other is war.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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12/29/2015 3:00:26 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 2:59:26 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 12/29/2015 2:48:55 AM, stargate wrote:
At 12/29/2015 2:47:47 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 12/29/2015 2:46:51 AM, stargate wrote:
At 12/29/2015 2:45:32 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:45:20 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:37:01 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:17:07 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

1. We where never involved in syria until isis rose up.
2. The reason us troops should have stayed in iraq was due to iraq back then and still is today unstable.

3.We never should have entered Iraq in the first place.

4. We should have,there are countless reasons why we should and why we did. They where creating instability in the area, they had used chemical weapons in past wars. They also preformed genocide on the kurds in the north. I believe that we had every right to get involved in iraq.

There's no evidence and it was actually disproved that there were weapons of that magnitude in Iraq. They didn't create any instability, at least nothing compared to the instability we created. Don't forget that we allowed ISIS to rise when we invaded Iraq, destroyed the nation, and then pulled out early.

We allowed that to happen when we pulles out, if we never pulled out so fast and so early things must likely would have been better.

The problem wouldn't have happened in the first place if we didn't invade.

I see we completely disagree on this and it branchs into the bigger argument of should the us act as the worlds police.

No it doesn't. It doesn't branch into that at all. There's a difference between going in to help a conflict, and going in to completely bomb and destroy a nation. One is peacekeeping, the other is war.

bombing is part of war.
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12/29/2015 3:04:03 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 3:00:26 AM, stargate wrote:
At 12/29/2015 2:59:26 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 12/29/2015 2:48:55 AM, stargate wrote:
At 12/29/2015 2:47:47 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 12/29/2015 2:46:51 AM, stargate wrote:
At 12/29/2015 2:45:32 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:45:20 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:37:01 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:17:07 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

1. We where never involved in syria until isis rose up.
2. The reason us troops should have stayed in iraq was due to iraq back then and still is today unstable.

3.We never should have entered Iraq in the first place.

4. We should have,there are countless reasons why we should and why we did. They where creating instability in the area, they had used chemical weapons in past wars. They also preformed genocide on the kurds in the north. I believe that we had every right to get involved in iraq.

There's no evidence and it was actually disproved that there were weapons of that magnitude in Iraq. They didn't create any instability, at least nothing compared to the instability we created. Don't forget that we allowed ISIS to rise when we invaded Iraq, destroyed the nation, and then pulled out early.

We allowed that to happen when we pulles out, if we never pulled out so fast and so early things must likely would have been better.

The problem wouldn't have happened in the first place if we didn't invade.

I see we completely disagree on this and it branchs into the bigger argument of should the us act as the worlds police.

No it doesn't. It doesn't branch into that at all. There's a difference between going in to help a conflict, and going in to completely bomb and destroy a nation. One is peacekeeping, the other is war.

bombing is part of war.

I never said it wasn't. What point was there in bringing up that bombing is part of war.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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12/29/2015 3:15:29 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 2:45:32 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:45:20 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:37:01 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:17:07 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

1. We where never involved in syria until isis rose up.
2. The reason us troops should have stayed in iraq was due to iraq back then and still is today unstable.

3.We never should have entered Iraq in the first place.

4. We should have,there are countless reasons why we should and why we did. They where creating instability in the area, they had used chemical weapons in past wars. They also preformed genocide on the kurds in the north. I believe that we had every right to get involved in iraq.

There's no evidence and it was actually disproved that there were weapons of that magnitude in Iraq. They didn't create any instability, at least nothing compared to the instability we created. Don't forget that we allowed ISIS to rise when we invaded Iraq, destroyed the nation, and then pulled out early.

There's hope for the truth right there.
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12/29/2015 3:19:56 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 3:15:29 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 12/29/2015 2:45:32 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:45:20 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:37:01 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:17:07 PM, stargate wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:22:40 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:12:25 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
I do believe and hope it is a turn for the better. Our soldiers should have never been pulled out in the first place. Preventative medicine is the best medicine.

I do as well, but the US shouldn't have interfered in Syria to start. The USDOD knew about this (a Salafist state in Syria) would occur, but they went through with it.

1. We where never involved in syria until isis rose up.
2. The reason us troops should have stayed in iraq was due to iraq back then and still is today unstable.

3.We never should have entered Iraq in the first place.

4. We should have,there are countless reasons why we should and why we did. They where creating instability in the area, they had used chemical weapons in past wars. They also preformed genocide on the kurds in the north. I believe that we had every right to get involved in iraq.

There's no evidence and it was actually disproved that there were weapons of that magnitude in Iraq. They didn't create any instability, at least nothing compared to the instability we created. Don't forget that we allowed ISIS to rise when we invaded Iraq, destroyed the nation, and then pulled out early.

There's hope for the truth right there.

People will support senseless fighting for stupid reasons. Hence the term "senseless".
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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12/29/2015 3:23:09 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 3:19:56 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:

There's hope for the truth right there.

People will support senseless fighting for stupid reasons. Hence the term "senseless".

I still can't believe that it's not taught in schools that the Iraq war was nothing more than a scapegoat for GWB after 911. It's not even complicated to understand at all.
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12/29/2015 3:27:01 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 3:23:09 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 12/29/2015 3:19:56 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:

There's hope for the truth right there.

People will support senseless fighting for stupid reasons. Hence the term "senseless".

I still can't believe that it's not taught in schools that the Iraq war was nothing more than a scapegoat for GWB after 911. It's not even complicated to understand at all.

I would prefer to have that taught then all the "Franklin D. Roosevelt got us out of the Depression, and the whole - white people made slavery." This is why gov. needs to be out of our education system, they teach false history to divide and to cheat.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.