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1/2/2016 11:19:44 PM
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Since education is kind of a mandate for kids, it's more of a responsibility than a right.
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1/2/2016 11:21:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2016 10:46:08 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Why or why not. Please explain.
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1/2/2016 11:23:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2016 10:46:08 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Why or why not. Please explain.

Yes, you have the right to an education. You have the ability to pursue an education, knowledge, skills, etc.

You do not have the right to an education provided and paid for by others though.

This is the difference between positive and negative rights.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

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1/2/2016 11:35:37 PM
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At 1/2/2016 11:21:36 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/2/2016 10:46:08 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Why or why not. Please explain.



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1/2/2016 11:36:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2016 11:23:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 10:46:08 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Why or why not. Please explain.

Yes, you have the right to an education. You have the ability to pursue an education, knowledge, skills, etc.

You do not have the right to an education provided and paid for by others though.

This is the difference between positive and negative rights.

So what positive rights are the government allowed to provide?
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1/2/2016 11:37:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2016 11:36:09 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:23:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 10:46:08 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Why or why not. Please explain.

Yes, you have the right to an education. You have the ability to pursue an education, knowledge, skills, etc.

You do not have the right to an education provided and paid for by others though.

This is the difference between positive and negative rights.

So what positive rights are the government allowed to provide?

None.

Just negative rights. Our Constitution is all negative rights.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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1/2/2016 11:38:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2016 11:37:35 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:36:09 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:23:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 10:46:08 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Why or why not. Please explain.

Yes, you have the right to an education. You have the ability to pursue an education, knowledge, skills, etc.

You do not have the right to an education provided and paid for by others though.

This is the difference between positive and negative rights.

So what positive rights are the government allowed to provide?

None.

Just negative rights. Our Constitution is all negative rights.

Wouldn't things like national defense be a positive right?
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1/2/2016 11:39:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2016 11:38:11 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:37:35 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:36:09 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:23:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 10:46:08 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Why or why not. Please explain.

Yes, you have the right to an education. You have the ability to pursue an education, knowledge, skills, etc.

You do not have the right to an education provided and paid for by others though.

This is the difference between positive and negative rights.

So what positive rights are the government allowed to provide?

None.

Just negative rights. Our Constitution is all negative rights.

Wouldn't things like national defense be a positive right?

No. National defense is not a right. You have the right to life, which is protected by government.

It's also quite evident that for the country to exist it needs an army to defend itself.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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1/2/2016 11:39:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2016 11:39:08 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:38:11 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:37:35 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:36:09 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:23:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 10:46:08 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Why or why not. Please explain.

Yes, you have the right to an education. You have the ability to pursue an education, knowledge, skills, etc.

You do not have the right to an education provided and paid for by others though.

This is the difference between positive and negative rights.

So what positive rights are the government allowed to provide?

None.

Just negative rights. Our Constitution is all negative rights.

Wouldn't things like national defense be a positive right?

No. National defense is not a right. You have the right to life, which is protected by government.

It's also quite evident that for the country to exist it needs an army to defend itself.

Actually never mind, national defense is a right that is given in the Constitution. "To provide for the national defense". Just remembered.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
tajshar2k
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1/2/2016 11:42:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2016 11:39:08 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:38:11 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:37:35 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:36:09 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:23:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 10:46:08 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Why or why not. Please explain.

Yes, you have the right to an education. You have the ability to pursue an education, knowledge, skills, etc.

You do not have the right to an education provided and paid for by others though.

This is the difference between positive and negative rights.

So what positive rights are the government allowed to provide?

None.

Just negative rights. Our Constitution is all negative rights.

Wouldn't things like national defense be a positive right?

No. National defense is not a right. You have the right to life, which is protected by government.

It's also quite evident that for the country to exist it needs an army to defend itself.

You know how in Article 8 of the constitution, it states...

the Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;


So, since it says provide the general welfare of the United States, what would be considered general welfare, and would education fall under it?
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1/2/2016 11:43:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2016 11:39:49 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:39:08 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:38:11 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:37:35 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:36:09 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:23:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 10:46:08 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Why or why not. Please explain.

Yes, you have the right to an education. You have the ability to pursue an education, knowledge, skills, etc.

You do not have the right to an education provided and paid for by others though.

This is the difference between positive and negative rights.

So what positive rights are the government allowed to provide?

None.

Just negative rights. Our Constitution is all negative rights.

Wouldn't things like national defense be a positive right?

No. National defense is not a right. You have the right to life, which is protected by government.

It's also quite evident that for the country to exist it needs an army to defend itself.

Actually never mind, national defense is a right that is given in the Constitution. "To provide for the national defense". Just remembered.

But that would be a positive right, since national defense is provided by payment of taxes from others.
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1/2/2016 11:44:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2016 11:39:49 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:39:08 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:38:11 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:37:35 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:36:09 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:23:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 10:46:08 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Why or why not. Please explain.

Yes, you have the right to an education. You have the ability to pursue an education, knowledge, skills, etc.

You do not have the right to an education provided and paid for by others though.

This is the difference between positive and negative rights.

So what positive rights are the government allowed to provide?

None.

Just negative rights. Our Constitution is all negative rights.

Wouldn't things like national defense be a positive right?

No. National defense is not a right. You have the right to life, which is protected by government.

It's also quite evident that for the country to exist it needs an army to defend itself.

Actually never mind, national defense is a right that is given in the Constitution. "To provide for the national defense". Just remembered.

Also,
Section 7
"To establish Post Offices and post Roads"

Technically that's a positive right if I'm not mistaken right?
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1/2/2016 11:59:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2016 11:44:33 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:39:49 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:39:08 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:38:11 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:37:35 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:36:09 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:23:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 10:46:08 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Why or why not. Please explain.

Yes, you have the right to an education. You have the ability to pursue an education, knowledge, skills, etc.

You do not have the right to an education provided and paid for by others though.

This is the difference between positive and negative rights.

So what positive rights are the government allowed to provide?

None.

Just negative rights. Our Constitution is all negative rights.

Wouldn't things like national defense be a positive right?

No. National defense is not a right. You have the right to life, which is protected by government.

It's also quite evident that for the country to exist it needs an army to defend itself.

Actually never mind, national defense is a right that is given in the Constitution. "To provide for the national defense". Just remembered.

Also,
Section 7
"To establish Post Offices and post Roads"

Technically that's a positive right if I'm not mistaken right?

Correction* Section 8 Clause 7
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1/3/2016 12:37:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2016 11:42:10 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:39:08 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:38:11 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:37:35 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:36:09 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/2/2016 11:23:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/2/2016 10:46:08 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Why or why not. Please explain.

Yes, you have the right to an education. You have the ability to pursue an education, knowledge, skills, etc.

You do not have the right to an education provided and paid for by others though.

This is the difference between positive and negative rights.

So what positive rights are the government allowed to provide?

None.

Just negative rights. Our Constitution is all negative rights.

Wouldn't things like national defense be a positive right?

No. National defense is not a right. You have the right to life, which is protected by government.

It's also quite evident that for the country to exist it needs an army to defend itself.

You know how in Article 8 of the constitution, it states...

the Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;


So, since it says provide the general welfare of the United States, what would be considered general welfare, and would education fall under it?

Yes education would fall under general welfare. Over the years the corporate media has been selling this rhetoric to conservatives of "big government" and the government is bad, and so on, in order to create the perception that government should never provide for the general welfare of its people. How many conservatives do you hear cite the preamble to the US Constitution?

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

"The big bad government" is just propaganda perpetuated by the wealthy so they can get richer while they keep everyone else near the bottom. If people woke up and realized that government is of the people, by the people, for the people, they would no longer believe in this cynical view of "big bad government" but actually believe in a government that is made up of human beings like ourselves who want to help others.
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1/3/2016 1:29:22 AM
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a formal education means or use to anyway that you completed the equivalent of 8th grade. Many people made a living and survived that where not formally educated and schools where not available or even present in some areas. So when did it become a right? You can be expelled from school. You don't have a right to go to college, what about trade schools? If it is a right is it only for math,english and science? Do you have a right for gym class? Since there are laws that say your child must go to school or home school etc I would say it is not a right. What other "rights" are you forced to exercise by law?
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1/3/2016 11:19:28 AM
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It's a responsibility both for the kid and for the government. It's not a right.
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1/3/2016 11:42:01 AM
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There is no "right", strictly speaking. It's just in the government's best interest to give you education, and therefore yours.

There are very few natural "rights", but that's a different conversation. Education is effectively a "right" in the terms of everyone being entitled to it because that's what our government's as well as many others have mandated for the people.
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1/3/2016 2:36:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2016 11:42:01 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
There is no "right", strictly speaking. It's just in the government's best interest to give you education, and therefore yours.

There are very few natural "rights", but that's a different conversation. Education is effectively a "right" in the terms of everyone being entitled to it because that's what our government's as well as many others have mandated for the people.

Is the military Draft a right too then?
I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations.
A singular development of cat communications
That obviates your basic hedonistic predilection,
For a rhythmic stroking of your fur to demonstrate affection.
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1/3/2016 5:01:42 PM
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At 1/3/2016 2:36:45 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/3/2016 11:42:01 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
There is no "right", strictly speaking. It's just in the government's best interest to give you education, and therefore yours.

There are very few natural "rights", but that's a different conversation. Education is effectively a "right" in the terms of everyone being entitled to it because that's what our government's as well as many others have mandated for the people.

Is the military Draft a right too then?

Where did you get that? The first paragraph?
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1/3/2016 7:00:57 PM
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At 1/3/2016 5:52:24 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
It should be. As should healthcare.

then let it begin with you, donate heavily to the Bradly Free clinic or other such organizations that provide healthcare to those in need, recruit your family and friends and it will grow then everyone will have healthcare. Certainly if you really believe that it should be a right then you must be doing what you can to make it so? Do you volunteer at any of these clinics? Even though it's not a right lots of people help anyway, maybe that's the true answer.
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Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what, it's going to knock over the pieces, crap all over the board, and strut around like it's victorious.

"Beware the engineers of society, I say, who would make everyone in all the world equal. Opportunity should be equal, must be equal, but achievement must remain individual.
- Drizzt Do'Urden"
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1/3/2016 11:10:29 PM
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At 1/3/2016 5:01:42 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/3/2016 2:36:45 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/3/2016 11:42:01 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
There is no "right", strictly speaking. It's just in the government's best interest to give you education, and therefore yours.

There are very few natural "rights", but that's a different conversation. Education is effectively a "right" in the terms of everyone being entitled to it because that's what our government's as well as many others have mandated for the people.

Is the military Draft a right too then?

Where did you get that? The first paragraph?

Yes. It's in your (and the government's) best interest to protect yourself by complying with the Draft. So is that a right as Education is a right?
I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations.
A singular development of cat communications
That obviates your basic hedonistic predilection,
For a rhythmic stroking of your fur to demonstrate affection.
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1/3/2016 11:14:43 PM
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At 1/3/2016 11:19:28 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
It's a responsibility both for the kid and for the government. It's not a right.

+1
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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1/3/2016 11:16:19 PM
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At 1/3/2016 11:10:29 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/3/2016 5:01:42 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/3/2016 2:36:45 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/3/2016 11:42:01 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
There is no "right", strictly speaking. It's just in the government's best interest to give you education, and therefore yours.

There are very few natural "rights", but that's a different conversation. Education is effectively a "right" in the terms of everyone being entitled to it because that's what our government's as well as many others have mandated for the people.

Is the military Draft a right too then?

Where did you get that? The first paragraph?

Yes. It's in your (and the government's) best interest to protect yourself by complying with the Draft. So is that a right as Education is a right?

It's a right as long as liberals don't have to pay for it. The only people that say education is a right are the spoiled and entitled little children who want free stuff.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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1/3/2016 11:17:14 PM
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At 1/3/2016 7:00:57 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 5:52:24 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
It should be. As should healthcare.

then let it begin with you, donate heavily to the Bradly Free clinic or other such organizations that provide healthcare to those in need, recruit your family and friends and it will grow then everyone will have healthcare. Certainly if you really believe that it should be a right then you must be doing what you can to make it so? Do you volunteer at any of these clinics? Even though it's not a right lots of people help anyway, maybe that's the true answer.

I'm pretty sure people are going to figure out that if you have to work for something (education, the Draft, Healthcare) then it's simply a reward, not a right.

Say what you really mean to say, health for the poor and sick, education for the poor and retarded, and protection for the poor and disabled, should be a provided reward because they are unable to work for those rewards due to accidents at birth or other circumstance.
I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations.
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That obviates your basic hedonistic predilection,
For a rhythmic stroking of your fur to demonstrate affection.
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1/3/2016 11:18:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2016 11:16:19 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 11:10:29 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/3/2016 5:01:42 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/3/2016 2:36:45 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/3/2016 11:42:01 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
There is no "right", strictly speaking. It's just in the government's best interest to give you education, and therefore yours.

There are very few natural "rights", but that's a different conversation. Education is effectively a "right" in the terms of everyone being entitled to it because that's what our government's as well as many others have mandated for the people.

Is the military Draft a right too then?

Where did you get that? The first paragraph?

Yes. It's in your (and the government's) best interest to protect yourself by complying with the Draft. So is that a right as Education is a right?

It's a right as long as liberals don't have to pay for it. The only people that say education is a right are the spoiled and entitled little children who want free stuff.

Don't forget college kids. Feel the Bern.
I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations.
A singular development of cat communications
That obviates your basic hedonistic predilection,
For a rhythmic stroking of your fur to demonstrate affection.
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1/3/2016 11:19:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2016 11:18:10 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/3/2016 11:16:19 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 11:10:29 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/3/2016 5:01:42 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/3/2016 2:36:45 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/3/2016 11:42:01 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
There is no "right", strictly speaking. It's just in the government's best interest to give you education, and therefore yours.

There are very few natural "rights", but that's a different conversation. Education is effectively a "right" in the terms of everyone being entitled to it because that's what our government's as well as many others have mandated for the people.

Is the military Draft a right too then?

Where did you get that? The first paragraph?

Yes. It's in your (and the government's) best interest to protect yourself by complying with the Draft. So is that a right as Education is a right?

It's a right as long as liberals don't have to pay for it. The only people that say education is a right are the spoiled and entitled little children who want free stuff.

Don't forget college kids. Feel the Bern.

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Remember guys! I might not be debt now, but when my Women's studies degree becomes useful, I'll be raking in a nice 40 grand, whooo!!! Minimum wage, here I come!
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kevin24018
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1/3/2016 11:22:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2016 11:17:14 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/3/2016 7:00:57 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 5:52:24 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
It should be. As should healthcare.

then let it begin with you, donate heavily to the Bradly Free clinic or other such organizations that provide healthcare to those in need, recruit your family and friends and it will grow then everyone will have healthcare. Certainly if you really believe that it should be a right then you must be doing what you can to make it so? Do you volunteer at any of these clinics? Even though it's not a right lots of people help anyway, maybe that's the true answer.

I'm pretty sure people are going to figure out that if you have to work for something (education, the Draft, Healthcare) then it's simply a reward, not a right.

Say what you really mean to say, health for the poor and sick, education for the poor and retarded, and protection for the poor and disabled, should be a provided reward because they are unable to work for those rewards due to accidents at birth or other circumstance.

well said!! and that really is how many of the program began, but then they where expanded and people figured out ways to take advantage, taxes go out, out of hand society crumbles etc etc
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1/3/2016 11:29:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2016 11:10:29 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/3/2016 5:01:42 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/3/2016 2:36:45 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/3/2016 11:42:01 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
There is no "right", strictly speaking. It's just in the government's best interest to give you education, and therefore yours.

There are very few natural "rights", but that's a different conversation. Education is effectively a "right" in the terms of everyone being entitled to it because that's what our government's as well as many others have mandated for the people.

Is the military Draft a right too then?

Where did you get that? The first paragraph?

Yes. It's in your (and the government's) best interest to protect yourself by complying with the Draft. So is that a right as Education is a right?

I wouldn't call the draft in the government's best interest. They're better off supporting the military through voluntary entry for the sake of their image.
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