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1/3/2016 3:25:47 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
Saudi Arabia executes a Shi'a cleric, sparking huge protests throughout the Shiite world, including in Iran, where protesters stormed the Saudi embassy. Clearly, this move will promote tensions in the region, and could make it harder to build and sustain coalitions against ISIS and other jihadist groups. Thoughts? Comments? Reactions?

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1/3/2016 3:29:29 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 3:25:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Saudi Arabia executes a Shi'a cleric, sparking huge protests throughout the Shiite world, including in Iran, where protesters stormed the Saudi embassy. Clearly, this move will promote tensions in the region, and could make it harder to build and sustain coalitions against ISIS and other jihadist groups. Thoughts? Comments? Reactions?

http://news.yahoo.com...
http://news.yahoo.com...

Not much we can do. We could invade them, but that would likely make matters worse.
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1/3/2016 4:06:49 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 3:29:29 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:25:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Saudi Arabia executes a Shi'a cleric, sparking huge protests throughout the Shiite world, including in Iran, where protesters stormed the Saudi embassy. Clearly, this move will promote tensions in the region, and could make it harder to build and sustain coalitions against ISIS and other jihadist groups. Thoughts? Comments? Reactions?

http://news.yahoo.com...
http://news.yahoo.com...

Not much we can do. We could invade them, but that would likely make matters worse.

There is no rational reason to invade our ally.
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1/3/2016 4:12:10 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 4:06:49 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:29:29 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:25:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Saudi Arabia executes a Shi'a cleric, sparking huge protests throughout the Shiite world, including in Iran, where protesters stormed the Saudi embassy. Clearly, this move will promote tensions in the region, and could make it harder to build and sustain coalitions against ISIS and other jihadist groups. Thoughts? Comments? Reactions?

http://news.yahoo.com...
http://news.yahoo.com...

Not much we can do. We could invade them, but that would likely make matters worse.

There is no rational reason to invade our ally.

We shouldn't be their ally. It's actually a sin to call them our ally. They stand for absolutely nothing we stand for. Getting rid of them would do the world a favor, but we can't unfortunately, because our past interventions have taught as a lesson. The only reason we are friends with them is because of oil. Nothing else.
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1/3/2016 4:13:44 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 4:12:10 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:06:49 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:29:29 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:25:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Saudi Arabia executes a Shi'a cleric, sparking huge protests throughout the Shiite world, including in Iran, where protesters stormed the Saudi embassy. Clearly, this move will promote tensions in the region, and could make it harder to build and sustain coalitions against ISIS and other jihadist groups. Thoughts? Comments? Reactions?

http://news.yahoo.com...
http://news.yahoo.com...

Not much we can do. We could invade them, but that would likely make matters worse.

There is no rational reason to invade our ally.

We shouldn't be their ally. It's actually a sin to call them our ally. They stand for absolutely nothing we stand for. Getting rid of them would do the world a favor, but we can't unfortunately, because our past interventions have taught as a lesson. The only reason we are friends with them is because of oil. Nothing else.

The U.S. governments primary obligation is the security of the U.S. Being an ally with Saudi Arabia furthers that goal. Therefore, we should be an ally of Saudi Arabia.
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1/3/2016 4:14:54 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 4:13:44 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:12:10 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:06:49 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:29:29 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:25:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Saudi Arabia executes a Shi'a cleric, sparking huge protests throughout the Shiite world, including in Iran, where protesters stormed the Saudi embassy. Clearly, this move will promote tensions in the region, and could make it harder to build and sustain coalitions against ISIS and other jihadist groups. Thoughts? Comments? Reactions?

http://news.yahoo.com...
http://news.yahoo.com...

Not much we can do. We could invade them, but that would likely make matters worse.

There is no rational reason to invade our ally.

We shouldn't be their ally. It's actually a sin to call them our ally. They stand for absolutely nothing we stand for. Getting rid of them would do the world a favor, but we can't unfortunately, because our past interventions have taught as a lesson. The only reason we are friends with them is because of oil. Nothing else.

The U.S. governments primary obligation is the security of the U.S. Being an ally with Saudi Arabia furthers that goal. Therefore, we should be an ally of Saudi Arabia.

Not really, it goes on behind the scene, but Saudi Arabia funds terrorism, and radical groups around the world, including the U.S. I learned a couple weeks ago, a local mosque in my neighborhood gets funding from Saudi Arabia.
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1/3/2016 4:17:24 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 4:14:54 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:13:44 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:12:10 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:06:49 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:29:29 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:25:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Saudi Arabia executes a Shi'a cleric, sparking huge protests throughout the Shiite world, including in Iran, where protesters stormed the Saudi embassy. Clearly, this move will promote tensions in the region, and could make it harder to build and sustain coalitions against ISIS and other jihadist groups. Thoughts? Comments? Reactions?

http://news.yahoo.com...
http://news.yahoo.com...

Not much we can do. We could invade them, but that would likely make matters worse.

There is no rational reason to invade our ally.

We shouldn't be their ally. It's actually a sin to call them our ally. They stand for absolutely nothing we stand for. Getting rid of them would do the world a favor, but we can't unfortunately, because our past interventions have taught as a lesson. The only reason we are friends with them is because of oil. Nothing else.

The U.S. governments primary obligation is the security of the U.S. Being an ally with Saudi Arabia furthers that goal. Therefore, we should be an ally of Saudi Arabia.

Not really, it goes on behind the scene, but Saudi Arabia funds terrorism, and radical groups around the world, including the U.S. I learned a couple weeks ago, a local mosque in my neighborhood gets funding from Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia does fund some terrorist groups, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't further our national interests to support Saudi Arabia. Oil security, particularly with the power that OPEC has, is crucial to our national security. Moreover, we are the guarantor of Saudi Security. Should we fail to support Saudi Arabia, Iran will become even more bold, and the region will be further destabilized.
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1/3/2016 4:18:47 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 4:17:24 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:14:54 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:13:44 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:12:10 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:06:49 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:29:29 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:25:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Saudi Arabia executes a Shi'a cleric, sparking huge protests throughout the Shiite world, including in Iran, where protesters stormed the Saudi embassy. Clearly, this move will promote tensions in the region, and could make it harder to build and sustain coalitions against ISIS and other jihadist groups. Thoughts? Comments? Reactions?

http://news.yahoo.com...
http://news.yahoo.com...

Not much we can do. We could invade them, but that would likely make matters worse.

There is no rational reason to invade our ally.

We shouldn't be their ally. It's actually a sin to call them our ally. They stand for absolutely nothing we stand for. Getting rid of them would do the world a favor, but we can't unfortunately, because our past interventions have taught as a lesson. The only reason we are friends with them is because of oil. Nothing else.

The U.S. governments primary obligation is the security of the U.S. Being an ally with Saudi Arabia furthers that goal. Therefore, we should be an ally of Saudi Arabia.

Not really, it goes on behind the scene, but Saudi Arabia funds terrorism, and radical groups around the world, including the U.S. I learned a couple weeks ago, a local mosque in my neighborhood gets funding from Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia does fund some terrorist groups, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't further our national interests to support Saudi Arabia. Oil security, particularly with the power that OPEC has, is crucial to our national security. Moreover, we are the guarantor of Saudi Security. Should we fail to support Saudi Arabia, Iran will become even more bold, and the region will be further destabilized.

How exactly would it become destabilized?
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1/3/2016 4:24:31 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 4:18:47 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:17:24 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:14:54 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:13:44 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:12:10 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:06:49 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:29:29 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:25:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Saudi Arabia executes a Shi'a cleric, sparking huge protests throughout the Shiite world, including in Iran, where protesters stormed the Saudi embassy. Clearly, this move will promote tensions in the region, and could make it harder to build and sustain coalitions against ISIS and other jihadist groups. Thoughts? Comments? Reactions?

http://news.yahoo.com...
http://news.yahoo.com...

Not much we can do. We could invade them, but that would likely make matters worse.

There is no rational reason to invade our ally.

We shouldn't be their ally. It's actually a sin to call them our ally. They stand for absolutely nothing we stand for. Getting rid of them would do the world a favor, but we can't unfortunately, because our past interventions have taught as a lesson. The only reason we are friends with them is because of oil. Nothing else.

The U.S. governments primary obligation is the security of the U.S. Being an ally with Saudi Arabia furthers that goal. Therefore, we should be an ally of Saudi Arabia.

Not really, it goes on behind the scene, but Saudi Arabia funds terrorism, and radical groups around the world, including the U.S. I learned a couple weeks ago, a local mosque in my neighborhood gets funding from Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia does fund some terrorist groups, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't further our national interests to support Saudi Arabia. Oil security, particularly with the power that OPEC has, is crucial to our national security. Moreover, we are the guarantor of Saudi Security. Should we fail to support Saudi Arabia, Iran will become even more bold, and the region will be further destabilized.

How exactly would it become destabilized?

It would be naive to think that if we don't give Saudi Arabia guns and money, that Iran won't engage in more direct violence against Saudi Arabia, or that Saudi Arabia won't have a harder time patrolling and securing it's territory. Keep in mind that the US-Saudi Arabia alliance counterbalances the close relations between Russia and Iran. It would also be naive to think that they wouldn't seek some other power, like Russia or China, to bankroll them, which would significantly diminish our influence in the region. Saudi Arabia is one of the three most powerful nations in the region, along with Iran and Turkey. Have Turkey and Saudi Arabia in our corner gives us significant clout, which we could quickly lose should one or both of them switch camps.
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1/3/2016 4:35:08 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 3:25:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Saudi Arabia executes a Shi'a cleric, sparking huge protests throughout the Shiite world, including in Iran, where protesters stormed the Saudi embassy. Clearly, this move will promote tensions in the region, and could make it harder to build and sustain coalitions against ISIS and other jihadist groups. Thoughts? Comments? Reactions?

http://news.yahoo.com...
http://news.yahoo.com...

They are terrible, the entire place is terrible. Its like the south, until they bother you with mega churches and bad country music, it would be fine to pretend they just don't exist, but they they are. Keel hauling cats, turning out bad music, NASCAR and nasty preachers.

I just can't see why we want anything to do with any of them.
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1/3/2016 4:53:48 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 4:24:31 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:18:47 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:17:24 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:14:54 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:13:44 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:12:10 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:06:49 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:29:29 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:25:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Saudi Arabia executes a Shi'a cleric, sparking huge protests throughout the Shiite world, including in Iran, where protesters stormed the Saudi embassy. Clearly, this move will promote tensions in the region, and could make it harder to build and sustain coalitions against ISIS and other jihadist groups. Thoughts? Comments? Reactions?

http://news.yahoo.com...
http://news.yahoo.com...

Not much we can do. We could invade them, but that would likely make matters worse.

There is no rational reason to invade our ally.

We shouldn't be their ally. It's actually a sin to call them our ally. They stand for absolutely nothing we stand for. Getting rid of them would do the world a favor, but we can't unfortunately, because our past interventions have taught as a lesson. The only reason we are friends with them is because of oil. Nothing else.

The U.S. governments primary obligation is the security of the U.S. Being an ally with Saudi Arabia furthers that goal. Therefore, we should be an ally of Saudi Arabia.

Not really, it goes on behind the scene, but Saudi Arabia funds terrorism, and radical groups around the world, including the U.S. I learned a couple weeks ago, a local mosque in my neighborhood gets funding from Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia does fund some terrorist groups, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't further our national interests to support Saudi Arabia. Oil security, particularly with the power that OPEC has, is crucial to our national security. Moreover, we are the guarantor of Saudi Security. Should we fail to support Saudi Arabia, Iran will become even more bold, and the region will be further destabilized.

How exactly would it become destabilized?

It would be naive to think that if we don't give Saudi Arabia guns and money, that Iran won't engage in more direct violence against Saudi Arabia, or that Saudi Arabia won't have a harder time patrolling and securing it's territory. Keep in mind that the US-Saudi Arabia alliance counterbalances the close relations between Russia and Iran. It would also be naive to think that they wouldn't seek some other power, like Russia or China, to bankroll them, which would significantly diminish our influence in the region. Saudi Arabia is one of the three most powerful nations in the region, along with Iran and Turkey. Have Turkey and Saudi Arabia in our corner gives us significant clout, which we could quickly lose should one or both of them switch camps.

I don't see why we need an influence in the region, everything messes up no matter how much we try to help the middle east. Israel is also pretty powerful despite it's small size. Saudi Arabia might be allies on paper, but what have they done to help us? They're funding the terrorism we try to fight against.

We're basically aiding a troublemaker that is going to make things progressively worse as we give them more power and wealth.
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1/3/2016 5:53:56 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 4:53:48 AM, triangle.128k wrote:

I don't think you really understand how realpolitik works.
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1/3/2016 8:02:34 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 4:17:24 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:14:54 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:13:44 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:12:10 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:06:49 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:29:29 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:25:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Saudi Arabia executes a Shi'a cleric, sparking huge protests throughout the Shiite world, including in Iran, where protesters stormed the Saudi embassy. Clearly, this move will promote tensions in the region, and could make it harder to build and sustain coalitions against ISIS and other jihadist groups. Thoughts? Comments? Reactions?

http://news.yahoo.com...
http://news.yahoo.com...

Not much we can do. We could invade them, but that would likely make matters worse.

There is no rational reason to invade our ally.

We shouldn't be their ally. It's actually a sin to call them our ally. They stand for absolutely nothing we stand for. Getting rid of them would do the world a favor, but we can't unfortunately, because our past interventions have taught as a lesson. The only reason we are friends with them is because of oil. Nothing else.

The U.S. governments primary obligation is the security of the U.S. Being an ally with Saudi Arabia furthers that goal. Therefore, we should be an ally of Saudi Arabia.

Not really, it goes on behind the scene, but Saudi Arabia funds terrorism, and radical groups around the world, including the U.S. I learned a couple weeks ago, a local mosque in my neighborhood gets funding from Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia does fund some terrorist groups, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't further our national interests to support Saudi Arabia. Oil security, particularly with the power that OPEC has, is crucial to our national security. Moreover, we are the guarantor of Saudi Security. Should we fail to support Saudi Arabia, Iran will become even more bold, and the region will be further destabilized.

I thought it was you who argued for the idea that a state's "social contract" with its citizens does not mean it doesn't have an equal obligation towards noncitizens.
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1/3/2016 3:16:00 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Saudi Arabia's use of the death penalty is gruesome and barbaric, and that country is no better than ISIS. The Saudi government is filled with vile and disgusting Wahabist terrorist sympathizers, and that country's very existence brings disgrace to the whole of humanity.
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1/3/2016 4:00:16 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 5:53:56 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:53:48 AM, triangle.128k wrote:

I don't think you really understand how realpolitik works.

What makes you insistent that we involve ourselves? I really want to understand this. Why? Resources? Humanitarian? Strategic planning. What?
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1/3/2016 6:14:50 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 3:16:00 PM, YYW wrote:
Saudi Arabia's use of the death penalty is gruesome and barbaric, and that country is no better than ISIS. The Saudi government is filled with vile and disgusting Wahabist terrorist sympathizers, and that country's very existence brings disgrace to the whole of humanity.

http://english.khamenei.ir...

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1/3/2016 7:08:41 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
has the middle east ever been at peace? I think the timing is interesting give the terrorist attacks etc. There's probably a reason for the timing that we don't know yet, may never know. What they did isn't any worse than what Iraq,Iran and similar countries have done, most of which we probably never hear about. So I think this is normal for that religion and area of the world. Just because this was publicized doesn't mean it hasn't and won't happen in other countries with middle eastern similar values etc.
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1/3/2016 7:13:08 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 4:18:47 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:17:24 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:14:54 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:13:44 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:12:10 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:06:49 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:29:29 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:25:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Saudi Arabia executes a Shi'a cleric, sparking huge protests throughout the Shiite world, including in Iran, where protesters stormed the Saudi embassy. Clearly, this move will promote tensions in the region, and could make it harder to build and sustain coalitions against ISIS and other jihadist groups. Thoughts? Comments? Reactions?

http://news.yahoo.com...
http://news.yahoo.com...

Not much we can do. We could invade them, but that would likely make matters worse.

There is no rational reason to invade our ally.

We shouldn't be their ally. It's actually a sin to call them our ally. They stand for absolutely nothing we stand for. Getting rid of them would do the world a favor, but we can't unfortunately, because our past interventions have taught as a lesson. The only reason we are friends with them is because of oil. Nothing else.

The U.S. governments primary obligation is the security of the U.S. Being an ally with Saudi Arabia furthers that goal. Therefore, we should be an ally of Saudi Arabia.

Not really, it goes on behind the scene, but Saudi Arabia funds terrorism, and radical groups around the world, including the U.S. I learned a couple weeks ago, a local mosque in my neighborhood gets funding from Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia does fund some terrorist groups, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't further our national interests to support Saudi Arabia. Oil security, particularly with the power that OPEC has, is crucial to our national security. Moreover, we are the guarantor of Saudi Security. Should we fail to support Saudi Arabia, Iran will become even more bold, and the region will be further destabilized.

How exactly would it become destabilized?

Look at Iraq...
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1/3/2016 9:37:16 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 7:08:41 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
has the middle east ever been at peace? I think the timing is interesting give the terrorist attacks etc. There's probably a reason for the timing that we don't know yet, may never know. What they did isn't any worse than what Iraq,Iran and similar countries have done, most of which we probably never hear about. So I think this is normal for that religion and area of the world. Just because this was publicized doesn't mean it hasn't and won't happen in other countries with middle eastern similar values etc.

Even other middle eastern countries aren't as fond of mass public executions as much as the Saudis. They've consistently disregarded human rights with their barbaric practices, it's a wonder we haven't cut all ties with them.
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1/3/2016 9:40:19 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 7:13:08 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:18:47 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
How exactly would it become destabilized?

Look at Iraq...

How is the idea to stop giving them weapons the same as Iraq?
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1/3/2016 11:15:01 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 4:17:24 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:14:54 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:13:44 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:12:10 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:06:49 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:29:29 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/3/2016 3:25:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Saudi Arabia executes a Shi'a cleric, sparking huge protests throughout the Shiite world, including in Iran, where protesters stormed the Saudi embassy. Clearly, this move will promote tensions in the region, and could make it harder to build and sustain coalitions against ISIS and other jihadist groups. Thoughts? Comments? Reactions?

http://news.yahoo.com...
http://news.yahoo.com...

Not much we can do. We could invade them, but that would likely make matters worse.

There is no rational reason to invade our ally.

We shouldn't be their ally. It's actually a sin to call them our ally. They stand for absolutely nothing we stand for. Getting rid of them would do the world a favor, but we can't unfortunately, because our past interventions have taught as a lesson. The only reason we are friends with them is because of oil. Nothing else.

The U.S. governments primary obligation is the security of the U.S. Being an ally with Saudi Arabia furthers that goal. Therefore, we should be an ally of Saudi Arabia.

Not really, it goes on behind the scene, but Saudi Arabia funds terrorism, and radical groups around the world, including the U.S. I learned a couple weeks ago, a local mosque in my neighborhood gets funding from Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia does fund some terrorist groups, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't further our national interests to support Saudi Arabia. Oil security, particularly with the power that OPEC has, is crucial to our national security. Moreover, we are the guarantor of Saudi Security. Should we fail to support Saudi Arabia, Iran will become even more bold, and the region will be further destabilized.

It's not true about oil security. The U'S' is now the world's largest producer of oil and you live next to Canada, the 4th largest with loads of natural gas, and your largest supplier of oil Let's face it, Canada is also your most secure supplier. It's just a fallacy that you need the middle east anymore.
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1/3/2016 11:27:59 PM
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At 1/3/2016 9:37:16 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 7:08:41 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
has the middle east ever been at peace? I think the timing is interesting give the terrorist attacks etc. There's probably a reason for the timing that we don't know yet, may never know. What they did isn't any worse than what Iraq,Iran and similar countries have done, most of which we probably never hear about. So I think this is normal for that religion and area of the world. Just because this was publicized doesn't mean it hasn't and won't happen in other countries with middle eastern similar values etc.

Even other middle eastern countries aren't as fond of mass public executions as much as the Saudis. They've consistently disregarded human rights with their barbaric practices, it's a wonder we haven't cut all ties with them.

so your issue is that it was public? because most of those countries continually commit what I consider atrocities, where it's stone a woman for disobeying some law, or what they did to our citizens in Bengahazi. Either condemn all these action or none. Honestly it's like saying killing someone with a knife is worse than using a bat.
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1/3/2016 11:29:59 PM
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At 1/3/2016 11:27:59 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
Even other middle eastern countries aren't as fond of mass public executions as much as the Saudis. They've consistently disregarded human rights with their barbaric practices, it's a wonder we haven't cut all ties with them.

so your issue is that it was public? because most of those countries continually commit what I consider atrocities, where it's stone a woman for disobeying some law, or what they did to our citizens in Bengahazi. Either condemn all these action or none. Honestly it's like saying killing someone with a knife is worse than using a bat.

No, the difference I was drawing was the amount of executions. Saudi Arabia is #1 in the world in executions by quite a bit.
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1/3/2016 11:42:33 PM
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At 1/3/2016 9:40:19 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 7:13:08 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:18:47 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
How exactly would it become destabilized?

Look at Iraq...

How is the idea to stop giving them weapons the same as Iraq?

Response was to the suggestion of invading Saudi Arabia unprovoked. Which would destabilize the region, just like Iraq
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1/3/2016 11:44:51 PM
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At 1/3/2016 11:42:33 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/3/2016 9:40:19 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 7:13:08 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:18:47 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
How exactly would it become destabilized?

Look at Iraq...

How is the idea to stop giving them weapons the same as Iraq?

Response was to the suggestion of invading Saudi Arabia unprovoked. Which would destabilize the region, just like Iraq

When he asked how it would become destabilized he was talking only about withdrawing aid and to stop allying ourselves with them, not invasion.
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1/3/2016 11:46:07 PM
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At 1/3/2016 11:44:51 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 11:42:33 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/3/2016 9:40:19 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 7:13:08 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/3/2016 4:18:47 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
How exactly would it become destabilized?

Look at Iraq...

How is the idea to stop giving them weapons the same as Iraq?

Response was to the suggestion of invading Saudi Arabia unprovoked. Which would destabilize the region, just like Iraq

When he asked how it would become destabilized he was talking only about withdrawing aid and to stop allying ourselves with them, not invasion.

Post #2

"Not much we can do. We could invade them, but that would likely make matters worse."
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1/3/2016 11:47:49 PM
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At 1/3/2016 11:46:07 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
Post #2

"Not much we can do. We could invade them, but that would likely make matters worse."

Look at Post #7, the one he was responding to. It mentioned nothing about an invasion.
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1/3/2016 11:50:47 PM
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At 1/3/2016 11:47:49 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 11:46:07 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
Post #2

"Not much we can do. We could invade them, but that would likely make matters worse."

Look at Post #7, the one he was responding to. It mentioned nothing about an invasion.

The conversation originated from the suggestion of invading Saudi Arabia (see post #3). Then it went into the justification of invading S.A, that being that they were funding terrorism.
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1/3/2016 11:52:38 PM
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At 1/3/2016 11:50:47 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
The conversation originated from the suggestion of invading Saudi Arabia (see post #3). Then it went into the justification of invading S.A, that being that they were funding terrorism.

Not really. Taj first said we could invade them, but also said it'd be unreasonable. Then Bsh1 responding saying we can't invade our allies. After that Taj shifted the conversation to saying how we shouldn't be their ally in the first place, which led Bsh1 to argue why we shouldn't withdraw support, saying it'll destabilize the region, and that was what Taj responded to.
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1/3/2016 11:55:55 PM
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At 1/3/2016 11:52:38 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 1/3/2016 11:50:47 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
The conversation originated from the suggestion of invading Saudi Arabia (see post #3). Then it went into the justification of invading S.A, that being that they were funding terrorism.

Not really. Taj first said we could invade them, but also said it'd be unreasonable. Then Bsh1 responding saying we can't invade our allies. After that Taj shifted the conversation to saying how we shouldn't be their ally in the first place, which led Bsh1 to argue why we shouldn't withdraw support, saying it'll destabilize the region, and that was what Taj responded to.

It would still de-stablize the region.
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