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1/4/2016 6:56:55 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
It is no secret that ever since the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq the US has declined in popularity around the world (especially in the Middle East).
Considering that the Afghanistan War was almost entirely justified and that the Iraq War wasn't the imperialist crusade for the oil that a large number of people make it out to be, why is this?

Well, the answer can be found in examining the nations which hate us. My current profile picture is of a piece of anti-US propaganda made by Nazi Germany during WWII; it was directed towards the peoples who were at that time under German Occupation and who longed to see the Allies liberate them. This work of propaganda portrayed the United States as a warmongering state (seen by the Tommy Gun and the bomb for a leg as well as the warplane's wing), racist (seen by the KKK paraphernalia), a bulwark of greed (seen by the money bag), and a nation of mass murderers (hence the Native American).
The overall idea of that particular piece of propaganda was "So you think we're bad? Look at how horrible the US (allegedly) is!" It was a red herring designed to direct attention towards how bad the advancing Allied forces (headed in the Western front by the United States) supposedly were and away from how awful the occupying Nazis undeniably were.

So today you've got nations like North Korea, the People's Republic of China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, (North) Sudan, Russia, and so on. These nations have pretty bad human rights records (okay, Russia is nowhere near North Korea or even China but corruption exists on a massive scale).
Domestically the US's human rights record in the past 50 years has been pretty good (barring stuff like abortion). Corruption in the United States is fairly low, there are no concentration camps on US soil, religious or racial discrimination is illegal, we have a great deal of freedom of speech, and so on.
But then at the beginning of this century we happened to invade two countries. Here's what those other nations thought:
"Finally! Ammunition for us to use to make the US look really bad and to deflect attention away from how horrible things are over here!"
So as a matter of national pride in the face of accusations from the US of human rights abuses and a desire from these governments to not become unpopular a massive anti-US propaganda effort centered around these two wars and the GWOT takes place; the US is portrayed as a warmonger and an enemy of the Muslim world (this has allowed the Chinese and Russian Governments to rally and unite their countries behind the banner of anti-US sentiment and a belief that "we will stand against the evil US in a very heroic way"; it has also helped Middle Eastern regimes not look so bad in the eyes of their own people). It essentially became a way of trying to make people forget the US's moral high ground and thus make their rightful criticisms of these countries' governments fall on deaf ears.

There has thus been an effort to scapegoat the US and help corrupt governments avoid responsibility for their wrongdoings and the obligation to change.
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1/4/2016 7:34:33 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 6:56:55 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It is no secret that ever since the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq the US has declined in popularity around the world (especially in the Middle East).
Considering that the Afghanistan War was almost entirely justified and that the Iraq War wasn't the imperialist crusade for the oil that a large number of people make it out to be, why is this?

Well, the answer can be found in examining the nations which hate us. My current profile picture is of a piece of anti-US propaganda made by Nazi Germany during WWII; it was directed towards the peoples who were at that time under German Occupation and who longed to see the Allies liberate them. This work of propaganda portrayed the United States as a warmongering state (seen by the Tommy Gun and the bomb for a leg as well as the warplane's wing), racist (seen by the KKK paraphernalia), a bulwark of greed (seen by the money bag), and a nation of mass murderers (hence the Native American).
The overall idea of that particular piece of propaganda was "So you think we're bad? Look at how horrible the US (allegedly) is!" It was a red herring designed to direct attention towards how bad the advancing Allied forces (headed in the Western front by the United States) supposedly were and away from how awful the occupying Nazis undeniably were.

So today you've got nations like North Korea, the People's Republic of China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, (North) Sudan, Russia, and so on. These nations have pretty bad human rights records (okay, Russia is nowhere near North Korea or even China but corruption exists on a massive scale).
Domestically the US's human rights record in the past 50 years has been pretty good (barring stuff like abortion). Corruption in the United States is fairly low, there are no concentration camps on US soil, religious or racial discrimination is illegal, we have a great deal of freedom of speech, and so on.
But then at the beginning of this century we happened to invade two countries. Here's what those other nations thought:
"Finally! Ammunition for us to use to make the US look really bad and to deflect attention away from how horrible things are over here!"
So as a matter of national pride in the face of accusations from the US of human rights abuses and a desire from these governments to not become unpopular a massive anti-US propaganda effort centered around these two wars and the GWOT takes place; the US is portrayed as a warmonger and an enemy of the Muslim world (this has allowed the Chinese and Russian Governments to rally and unite their countries behind the banner of anti-US sentiment and a belief that "we will stand against the evil US in a very heroic way"; it has also helped Middle Eastern regimes not look so bad in the eyes of their own people). It essentially became a way of trying to make people forget the US's moral high ground and thus make their rightful criticisms of these countries' governments fall on deaf ears.

There has thus been an effort to scapegoat the US and help corrupt governments avoid responsibility for their wrongdoings and the obligation to change.

Wow.... Your ability to analyze and summarize situations astounds me.
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1/4/2016 7:54:10 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 6:56:55 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It is no secret that ever since the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq the US has declined in popularity around the world (especially in the Middle East).
Considering that the Afghanistan War was almost entirely justified and that the Iraq War wasn't the imperialist crusade for the oil that a large number of people make it out to be, why is this?

Well, the answer can be found in examining the nations which hate us. My current profile picture is of a piece of anti-US propaganda made by Nazi Germany during WWII; it was directed towards the peoples who were at that time under German Occupation and who longed to see the Allies liberate them. This work of propaganda portrayed the United States as a warmongering state (seen by the Tommy Gun and the bomb for a leg as well as the warplane's wing), racist (seen by the KKK paraphernalia), a bulwark of greed (seen by the money bag), and a nation of mass murderers (hence the Native American).
The overall idea of that particular piece of propaganda was "So you think we're bad? Look at how horrible the US (allegedly) is!" It was a red herring designed to direct attention towards how bad the advancing Allied forces (headed in the Western front by the United States) supposedly were and away from how awful the occupying Nazis undeniably were.

So today you've got nations like North Korea, the People's Republic of China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, (North) Sudan, Russia, and so on. These nations have pretty bad human rights records (okay, Russia is nowhere near North Korea or even China but corruption exists on a massive scale).
Domestically the US's human rights record in the past 50 years has been pretty good (barring stuff like abortion). Corruption in the United States is fairly low, there are no concentration camps on US soil, religious or racial discrimination is illegal, we have a great deal of freedom of speech, and so on.
But then at the beginning of this century we happened to invade two countries. Here's what those other nations thought:
"Finally! Ammunition for us to use to make the US look really bad and to deflect attention away from how horrible things are over here!"
So as a matter of national pride in the face of accusations from the US of human rights abuses and a desire from these governments to not become unpopular a massive anti-US propaganda effort centered around these two wars and the GWOT takes place; the US is portrayed as a warmonger and an enemy of the Muslim world (this has allowed the Chinese and Russian Governments to rally and unite their countries behind the banner of anti-US sentiment and a belief that "we will stand against the evil US in a very heroic way"; it has also helped Middle Eastern regimes not look so bad in the eyes of their own people). It essentially became a way of trying to make people forget the US's moral high ground and thus make their rightful criticisms of these countries' governments fall on deaf ears.

There has thus been an effort to scapegoat the US and help corrupt governments avoid responsibility for their wrongdoings and the obligation to change.

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1/4/2016 8:40:47 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 6:56:55 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It is no secret that ever since the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq the US has declined in popularity around the world (especially in the Middle East).
Considering that the Afghanistan War was almost entirely justified and that the Iraq War wasn't the imperialist crusade for the oil that a large number of people make it out to be, why is this?

Well, the answer can be found in examining the nations which hate us. My current profile picture is of a piece of anti-US propaganda made by Nazi Germany during WWII; it was directed towards the peoples who were at that time under German Occupation and who longed to see the Allies liberate them. This work of propaganda portrayed the United States as a warmongering state (seen by the Tommy Gun and the bomb for a leg as well as the warplane's wing), racist (seen by the KKK paraphernalia), a bulwark of greed (seen by the money bag), and a nation of mass murderers (hence the Native American).
The overall idea of that particular piece of propaganda was "So you think we're bad? Look at how horrible the US (allegedly) is!" It was a red herring designed to direct attention towards how bad the advancing Allied forces (headed in the Western front by the United States) supposedly were and away from how awful the occupying Nazis undeniably were.

So today you've got nations like North Korea, the People's Republic of China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, (North) Sudan, Russia, and so on. These nations have pretty bad human rights records (okay, Russia is nowhere near North Korea or even China but corruption exists on a massive scale).
Domestically the US's human rights record in the past 50 years has been pretty good (barring stuff like abortion). Corruption in the United States is fairly low, there are no concentration camps on US soil, religious or racial discrimination is illegal, we have a great deal of freedom of speech, and so on.
But then at the beginning of this century we happened to invade two countries. Here's what those other nations thought:
"Finally! Ammunition for us to use to make the US look really bad and to deflect attention away from how horrible things are over here!"
So as a matter of national pride in the face of accusations from the US of human rights abuses and a desire from these governments to not become unpopular a massive anti-US propaganda effort centered around these two wars and the GWOT takes place; the US is portrayed as a warmonger and an enemy of the Muslim world (this has allowed the Chinese and Russian Governments to rally and unite their countries behind the banner of anti-US sentiment and a belief that "we will stand against the evil US in a very heroic way"; it has also helped Middle Eastern regimes not look so bad in the eyes of their own people). It essentially became a way of trying to make people forget the US's moral high ground and thus make their rightful criticisms of these countries' governments fall on deaf ears.

There has thus been an effort to scapegoat the US and help corrupt governments avoid responsibility for their wrongdoings and the obligation to change.

I'll buy that.
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1/4/2016 9:06:13 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 6:56:55 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It is no secret that ever since the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq the US has declined in popularity around the world (especially in the Middle East).
Considering that the Afghanistan War was almost entirely justified and that the Iraq War wasn't the imperialist crusade for the oil that a large number of people make it out to be, why is this?

Well, the answer can be found in examining the nations which hate us. My current profile picture is of a piece of anti-US propaganda made by Nazi Germany during WWII; it was directed towards the peoples who were at that time under German Occupation and who longed to see the Allies liberate them. This work of propaganda portrayed the United States as a warmongering state (seen by the Tommy Gun and the bomb for a leg as well as the warplane's wing), racist (seen by the KKK paraphernalia), a bulwark of greed (seen by the money bag), and a nation of mass murderers (hence the Native American).
The overall idea of that particular piece of propaganda was "So you think we're bad? Look at how horrible the US (allegedly) is!" It was a red herring designed to direct attention towards how bad the advancing Allied forces (headed in the Western front by the United States) supposedly were and away from how awful the occupying Nazis undeniably were.

So today you've got nations like North Korea, the People's Republic of China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, (North) Sudan, Russia, and so on. These nations have pretty bad human rights records (okay, Russia is nowhere near North Korea or even China but corruption exists on a massive scale).
Domestically the US's human rights record in the past 50 years has been pretty good (barring stuff like abortion). Corruption in the United States is fairly low, there are no concentration camps on US soil, religious or racial discrimination is illegal, we have a great deal of freedom of speech, and so on.
But then at the beginning of this century we happened to invade two countries. Here's what those other nations thought:
"Finally! Ammunition for us to use to make the US look really bad and to deflect attention away from how horrible things are over here!"
So as a matter of national pride in the face of accusations from the US of human rights abuses and a desire from these governments to not become unpopular a massive anti-US propaganda effort centered around these two wars and the GWOT takes place; the US is portrayed as a warmonger and an enemy of the Muslim world (this has allowed the Chinese and Russian Governments to rally and unite their countries behind the banner of anti-US sentiment and a belief that "we will stand against the evil US in a very heroic way"; it has also helped Middle Eastern regimes not look so bad in the eyes of their own people). It essentially became a way of trying to make people forget the US's moral high ground and thus make their rightful criticisms of these countries' governments fall on deaf ears.

There has thus been an effort to scapegoat the US and help corrupt governments avoid responsibility for their wrongdoings and the obligation to change.

That doesn't really justify what we did however. The whole Iraq quagmire could have been avoided, and it isn't just Bush's fault. It dates back to the 80's
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1/4/2016 9:12:16 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 9:06:13 PM, tajshar2k wrote:

There has thus been an effort to scapegoat the US and help corrupt governments avoid responsibility for their wrongdoings and the obligation to change.

That doesn't really justify what we did however. The whole Iraq quagmire could have been avoided, and it isn't just Bush's fault. It dates back to the 80's

The US treats the Middle East like a global Honey Boo Boo.

No reason for global hatred?
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1/4/2016 9:13:27 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 9:12:16 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/4/2016 9:06:13 PM, tajshar2k wrote:

There has thus been an effort to scapegoat the US and help corrupt governments avoid responsibility for their wrongdoings and the obligation to change.

That doesn't really justify what we did however. The whole Iraq quagmire could have been avoided, and it isn't just Bush's fault. It dates back to the 80's

The US treats the Middle East like a global Honey Boo Boo.

No reason for global hatred?



Umm, launching a decades long war, getting thousands of U.S troops killed seem's like a pretty shady reason to get involved.
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1/4/2016 9:14:49 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 9:13:27 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/4/2016 9:12:16 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/4/2016 9:06:13 PM, tajshar2k wrote:

There has thus been an effort to scapegoat the US and help corrupt governments avoid responsibility for their wrongdoings and the obligation to change.

That doesn't really justify what we did however. The whole Iraq quagmire could have been avoided, and it isn't just Bush's fault. It dates back to the 80's

The US treats the Middle East like a global Honey Boo Boo.

No reason for global hatred?



Umm, launching a decades long war, getting thousands of U.S troops killed seem's like a pretty shady reason to get involved.

That was a rhetorical sarcastic question, sorry.