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comoncents
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10/18/2010 7:30:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
What do you think?

Some think he was a hero?

Some think he was a little conservative, a little liberal, and a little progressive.

What do you think of his "bank holiday", and government audit?
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10/18/2010 7:31:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Anybody who thinks FDR was a little conservative must place the center to the left of... FDR... and Obama.
It is odd when one's capacity for compassion is measured not in what he is willing to do by his own time, effort, and property, but what he will force others to do with their own property instead.
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10/18/2010 8:22:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Freedomain Radio is a cult.

http://www.fdrliberated.com...
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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10/18/2010 8:41:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/18/2010 8:39:28 PM, FREEDO wrote:
FDR was less disappointing than most of the presidents.

You take that back.
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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10/18/2010 8:44:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/18/2010 8:39:28 PM, FREEDO wrote:
FDR was less disappointing than most of the presidents.

Only if you're the type who roots for Freddy Krueger in Nightmare on Elm Street.
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10/18/2010 8:46:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/18/2010 8:44:45 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 10/18/2010 8:39:28 PM, FREEDO wrote:
FDR was less disappointing than most of the presidents.

Only if you're the type who roots for Freddy Krueger in Nightmare on Elm Street.

Those kids had it coming.
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10/18/2010 8:48:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/18/2010 8:41:05 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 10/18/2010 8:39:28 PM, FREEDO wrote:
FDR was less disappointing than most of the presidents.

You take that back.

When peaceful protestors were being attacked by the police FDR used the national guard to attack the police. That's pretty badass.
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10/19/2010 4:59:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/18/2010 8:39:28 PM, FREEDO wrote:
FDR was less disappointing than most of the presidents.

I agree. He did what he needed to do, and I don't think anyone else would have gotten us out.
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10/19/2010 6:31:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/19/2010 6:05:02 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 10/19/2010 4:59:04 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/18/2010 8:39:28 PM, FREEDO wrote:
FDR was less disappointing than most of the presidents.

I agree. He did what he needed to do, and I don't think anyone else would have gotten us out.

He didn't get us out.

So, you really think we would have gotten out without him.

Naive much???
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10/19/2010 6:32:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I think he was among the worst.

The bank holiday attacked symptoms, not causes. Depending on what your objective is, you could call it a success though.
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10/19/2010 6:36:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
FDR did a huge blow to corporate power by replacing it with public power. I like neither but I prefer one over the other.
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10/19/2010 6:38:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/19/2010 6:31:43 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/19/2010 6:05:02 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 10/19/2010 4:59:04 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/18/2010 8:39:28 PM, FREEDO wrote:
FDR was less disappointing than most of the presidents.

I agree. He did what he needed to do, and I don't think anyone else would have gotten us out.

He didn't get us out.

So, you really think we would have gotten out without him.

Naive much???

He didn't save use from the Great Depression. He saved the Great Depression from us. He extended it. The reasons his problems were much worse than ever seen before, despite his spending as never seen before, was because he was spending as never seen before.
It is odd when one's capacity for compassion is measured not in what he is willing to do by his own time, effort, and property, but what he will force others to do with their own property instead.
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10/19/2010 6:38:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/19/2010 6:32:32 PM, djsherin wrote:
I think he was among the worst.


You do not understand history...

The bank holiday attacked symptoms, not causes. Depending on what your objective is, you could call it a success though.

It was!!!! Loco!
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10/19/2010 6:41:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/19/2010 6:38:02 PM, mongoose wrote:
At 10/19/2010 6:31:43 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/19/2010 6:05:02 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 10/19/2010 4:59:04 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/18/2010 8:39:28 PM, FREEDO wrote:
FDR was less disappointing than most of the presidents.

I agree. He did what he needed to do, and I don't think anyone else would have gotten us out.

He didn't get us out.

So, you really think we would have gotten out without him.

Naive much???

He didn't save use from the Great Depression.

He helped during it.

He saved the Great Depression from us. He extended it.

It does not matter.
He helped us through it.
Times would have been tougher without him.
We may never have made it...

The reasons his problems were much worse than ever seen before, despite his spending as never seen before, was because he was spending as never seen before.
Your crazy man.
Hoover extended it... FDR tried to get us out. He did what he needed to do.
We are dealing with his problems today, yes; but in that day what he did was needed.
Sieben
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10/19/2010 6:47:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Make thread asking people's opinion on historical issue

Recite what you learned in high school

Call everyone who doesn't agree with you crazy

Its only comoncents [sic]
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10/19/2010 6:49:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/19/2010 6:31:43 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/19/2010 6:05:02 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 10/19/2010 4:59:04 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/18/2010 8:39:28 PM, FREEDO wrote:
FDR was less disappointing than most of the presidents.

I agree. He did what he needed to do, and I don't think anyone else would have gotten us out.

He didn't get us out.

So, you really think we would have gotten out without him.

Yep.

Naive much???

Or I know economics.
comoncents
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10/19/2010 6:54:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/19/2010 6:49:03 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 10/19/2010 6:31:43 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/19/2010 6:05:02 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 10/19/2010 4:59:04 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/18/2010 8:39:28 PM, FREEDO wrote:
FDR was less disappointing than most of the presidents.

I agree. He did what he needed to do, and I don't think anyone else would have gotten us out.

He didn't get us out.

So, you really think we would have gotten out without him.

Yep.


That is crazy.
He did somethings that were needed.

Naive much???

Or I know economics.

You have no idea.
Some would say that he did not inflate the dollar enough; you seem to advocate what he did.

I do not think you know econ.

Lets talk about the bank holiday, and tell me what he should have done instead.
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10/19/2010 6:54:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/19/2010 6:49:03 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 10/19/2010 6:31:43 PM, comoncents wrote:
So, you really think we would have gotten out without him.

Yep.

We never get out w/out FdR, everyone knws that!!

Naive much???

Or I know economics.

What does bear kno abuot econmoics??? Crazy person!
comoncents
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10/19/2010 6:55:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/19/2010 6:54:32 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 10/19/2010 6:49:03 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 10/19/2010 6:31:43 PM, comoncents wrote:
So, you really think we would have gotten out without him.

Yep.

We never get out w/out FdR, everyone knws that!!

I agree.
Who would have gotten us out?

Naive much???

Or I know economics.

What does bear kno abuot econmoics??? Crazy person!
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10/19/2010 6:55:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/19/2010 6:41:50 PM, comoncents wrote:
Hoover extended it... FDR tried to get us out. He did what he needed to do.
We are dealing with his problems today, yes; but in that day what he did was needed.
1. The Federal Reserve did not change its course in the transition from Hoover to FDR. Also, the policies of FDR are best seen as an extension of the policies of Hoover.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
2. Trying to escape a hole by digging is not escaping the hole. Trying is not doing.
3. http://en.wikipedia.org...
4. List for me the policies that you believe helped the Great Depression.
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comoncents
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10/19/2010 6:56:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Before we continue, are you a student of the great depression?

If not, high school is not going to get you where we can talk.
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10/19/2010 6:59:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/19/2010 6:55:48 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 10/19/2010 6:41:50 PM, comoncents wrote:
Hoover extended it... FDR tried to get us out. He did what he needed to do.
We are dealing with his problems today, yes; but in that day what he did was needed.
1. The Federal Reserve did not change its course in the transition from Hoover to FDR. Also, the policies of FDR are best seen as an extension of the policies of Hoover.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Yeah. They tried a more libertarian flair that did not work.
"Stop inflation", was their cry... It failed.

2. Trying to escape a hole by digging is not escaping the hole. Trying is not doing.

So, the work programs did not work?

3. http://en.wikipedia.org...
4. List for me the policies that you believe helped the Great Depression.

Bank Holiday.
Work programs...
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10/19/2010 7:04:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/19/2010 6:59:00 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/19/2010 6:55:48 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 10/19/2010 6:41:50 PM, comoncents wrote:
Hoover extended it... FDR tried to get us out. He did what he needed to do.
We are dealing with his problems today, yes; but in that day what he did was needed.
1. The Federal Reserve did not change its course in the transition from Hoover to FDR. Also, the policies of FDR are best seen as an extension of the policies of Hoover.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
Yeah. They tried a more libertarian flair that did not work.
You entirely missed my point. They were both very interventionist.
"Stop inflation", was their cry... It failed.
The dollar was deflating, not inflating.
2. Trying to escape a hole by digging is not escaping the hole. Trying is not doing.
So, the work programs did not work?
Correct.
3. http://en.wikipedia.org...
Unaddressed.
4. List for me the policies that you believe helped the Great Depression.
Bank Holiday.
Work programs...
The rush on banks was due to the deflation of the currency as a result of the Federal Reserve's policies in the late twenties and early thirties.
The work programs artificially increased market wages (thus increasing unemployment) and cost money at little to no benefit to society. On the whole, they created a negligible amount of jobs at a high societal cost.
in the blink of an eye you finally see the light
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10/19/2010 7:05:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I think comoncents is right. For example, look at the government's response to the Depression of 1920. The federal government slashed spending, and the Fed allowed interest rates to rise. A classic laissez-faire response. And that's what lead to the economic stagnation and high unemployment of the 1920s.
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10/19/2010 7:05:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/19/2010 6:56:53 PM, comoncents wrote:
Before we continue, are you a student of the great depression?


If not, high school is not going to get you where we can talk.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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10/19/2010 7:06:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/19/2010 7:05:50 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 10/19/2010 6:56:53 PM, comoncents wrote:
Before we continue, are you a student of the great depression?


If not, high school is not going to get you where we can talk.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
That's interesting... I would have guessed cognitive dissonance? Your hypothesis is more insulting though... hmm
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10/19/2010 7:08:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/19/2010 7:04:24 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 10/19/2010 6:59:00 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 10/19/2010 6:55:48 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 10/19/2010 6:41:50 PM, comoncents wrote:
Hoover extended it... FDR tried to get us out. He did what he needed to do.
We are dealing with his problems today, yes; but in that day what he did was needed.
1. The Federal Reserve did not change its course in the transition from Hoover to FDR. Also, the policies of FDR are best seen as an extension of the policies of Hoover.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
Yeah. They tried a more libertarian flair that did not work.
You entirely missed my point. They were both very interventionist.

I understood it, bit who would have gotten us out?

"Stop inflation", was their cry... It failed.
The dollar was deflating, not inflating.

Your missing the point.

2. Trying to escape a hole by digging is not escaping the hole. Trying is not doing.
So, the work programs did not work?
Correct.

How can you claim that?

3. http://en.wikipedia.org...
Unaddressed.
4. List for me the policies that you believe helped the Great Depression.
Bank Holiday.
Work programs...
The rush on banks was due to the deflation of the currency as a result of the Federal Reserve's policies in the late twenties and early thirties.

But FDR did not do that.
FRD helped people feel secure and then got the FDIC working.
Was that bad also?

The work programs artificially increased market wages (thus increasing unemployment) and cost money at little to no benefit to society.

It put people too work that would not have found it without.
What are you talking about?

On the whole, they created a negligible amount of jobs at a high societal cost.
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10/19/2010 7:11:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/19/2010 7:05:22 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
I think comoncents is right. For example, look at the government's response to the Depression of 1920.

I am not saying that he was the best thing since sliced bread, but he did things better then most in his day.

The federal government slashed spending, and the Fed allowed interest rates to rise. A classic laissez-faire response.

I agree.

And that's what lead to the economic stagnation and high unemployment of the 1920s.

Yes!