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PetersSmith
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1/7/2016 12:19:38 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
So apparently today (January 6th) North Korea "claims" to have tested a hydrogen bomb, corresponding to a magnitude 5.1 earthquake. According to some sources, the actual legitimacy of the test has been questioned (http://www.cnn.com...), but regardless the test actually received international condemnation, including by Russia and even China, North Korea's ally (http://news.xinhuanet.com...). An announcement on North Korean television said the country had successfully tested a "miniaturised hydrogen bomb" underground on Wednesday morning, describing it as an "act of self-defence" against the US., claiming that it was a "complete success". According to the Guardian, this was somewhat unexpected, despite Kim Jong-un's statement about possession of a hydrogen bomb on his New Year's address (http://www.theguardian.com...).

The consequences for this are obviously immense, and for those of you who are unaware this violates international law where NATO says "the test "undermines regional and international security, and is in clear breach of UN Security Council resolutions" (http://www.channelnewsasia.com...). And the UN added that further sanctions against North Korea are being heavily considered.

So, what do you guys think? Did I waste my time typing this? Is this a legitimate threat that could completely destabilize regional and possibly international security, or is Jong-un's claims completely fabricated and just waited for the right time after the announcement on New Year's (which happened to come 5 days later)? Should there be international retaliation against North Korea? Should we leave them alone? Discuss.
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1/7/2016 12:24:53 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
It should be noted that it might have just been a large but regular atomic bomb test. Theres doubts by some that the detonation wasn't a hydrogen bomb at all, the north korean government only says it was

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1/7/2016 12:46:31 AM
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Hydrogen bombs are significantly more dangerous than atomic bombs. There's an upper limit to the yield of an atomic bomb, not much higher than that of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima I believe. The reason is that it's dangerous to keep too much uranium-235 in one place because it can set off a premature explosion. A very large atomic bomb would be incredibly unstable. On the other hand, hydrogen bombs have no upper limit. It's theoretically possible to build a hydrogen bomb with enough yield to destroy the entire earth. It probably wouldn't even be that difficult to do. A bomb that big would be quantitatively different and not qualitatively different from the hydrogen bombs currently in use. The only reason giant H-Bombs were never devised is because they're hard to deliver accurately, which North Korea probably wouldn't care about. So yeah, continuing to wag our fingers and pass resolutions at the UN is probably not an adequate response to the threat posed by North Korea. They need to be dealt with eventually.
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1/7/2016 2:32:24 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/7/2016 12:19:38 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
So apparently today (January 6th) North Korea "claims" to have tested a hydrogen bomb, corresponding to a magnitude 5.1 earthquake. According to some sources, the actual legitimacy of the test has been questioned (http://www.cnn.com...), but regardless the test actually received international condemnation, including by Russia and even China, North Korea's ally (http://news.xinhuanet.com...). An announcement on North Korean television said the country had successfully tested a "miniaturised hydrogen bomb" underground on Wednesday morning, describing it as an "act of self-defence" against the US., claiming that it was a "complete success". According to the Guardian, this was somewhat unexpected, despite Kim Jong-un's statement about possession of a hydrogen bomb on his New Year's address (http://www.theguardian.com...).

The consequences for this are obviously immense, and for those of you who are unaware this violates international law where NATO says "the test "undermines regional and international security, and is in clear breach of UN Security Council resolutions" (http://www.channelnewsasia.com...). And the UN added that further sanctions against North Korea are being heavily considered.

So, what do you guys think? Did I waste my time typing this? Is this a legitimate threat that could completely destabilize regional and possibly international security, or is Jong-un's claims completely fabricated and just waited for the right time after the announcement on New Year's (which happened to come 5 days later)? Should there be international retaliation against North Korea? Should we leave them alone? Discuss.

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1/7/2016 2:32:50 AM
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At 1/7/2016 12:19:38 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
So apparently today (January 6th) North Korea "claims" to have tested a hydrogen bomb, corresponding to a magnitude 5.1 earthquake. According to some sources, the actual legitimacy of the test has been questioned (http://www.cnn.com...), but regardless the test actually received international condemnation, including by Russia and even China, North Korea's ally (http://news.xinhuanet.com...). An announcement on North Korean television said the country had successfully tested a "miniaturised hydrogen bomb" underground on Wednesday morning, describing it as an "act of self-defence" against the US., claiming that it was a "complete success". According to the Guardian, this was somewhat unexpected, despite Kim Jong-un's statement about possession of a hydrogen bomb on his New Year's address (http://www.theguardian.com...).

The consequences for this are obviously immense, and for those of you who are unaware this violates international law where NATO says "the test "undermines regional and international security, and is in clear breach of UN Security Council resolutions" (http://www.channelnewsasia.com...). And the UN added that further sanctions against North Korea are being heavily considered.

So, what do you guys think? Did I waste my time typing this? Is this a legitimate threat that could completely destabilize regional and possibly international security, or is Jong-un's claims completely fabricated and just waited for the right time after the announcement on New Year's (which happened to come 5 days later)? Should there be international retaliation against North Korea? Should we leave them alone? Discuss.

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1/7/2016 2:33:12 AM
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At 1/7/2016 12:19:38 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
So apparently today (January 6th) North Korea "claims" to have tested a hydrogen bomb, corresponding to a magnitude 5.1 earthquake. According to some sources, the actual legitimacy of the test has been questioned (http://www.cnn.com...), but regardless the test actually received international condemnation, including by Russia and even China, North Korea's ally (http://news.xinhuanet.com...). An announcement on North Korean television said the country had successfully tested a "miniaturised hydrogen bomb" underground on Wednesday morning, describing it as an "act of self-defence" against the US., claiming that it was a "complete success". According to the Guardian, this was somewhat unexpected, despite Kim Jong-un's statement about possession of a hydrogen bomb on his New Year's address (http://www.theguardian.com...).

The consequences for this are obviously immense, and for those of you who are unaware this violates international law where NATO says "the test "undermines regional and international security, and is in clear breach of UN Security Council resolutions" (http://www.channelnewsasia.com...). And the UN added that further sanctions against North Korea are being heavily considered.

So, what do you guys think? Did I waste my time typing this? Is this a legitimate threat that could completely destabilize regional and possibly international security, or is Jong-un's claims completely fabricated and just waited for the right time after the announcement on New Year's (which happened to come 5 days later)? Should there be international retaliation against North Korea? Should we leave them alone? Discuss.

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1/7/2016 2:41:11 AM
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At 1/7/2016 12:46:31 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
Hydrogen bombs are significantly more dangerous than atomic bombs. There's an upper limit to the yield of an atomic bomb, not much higher than that of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima I believe. The reason is that it's dangerous to keep too much uranium-235 in one place because it can set off a premature explosion. A very large atomic bomb would be incredibly unstable. On the other hand, hydrogen bombs have no upper limit. It's theoretically possible to build a hydrogen bomb with enough yield to destroy the entire earth. It probably wouldn't even be that difficult to do. A bomb that big would be quantitatively different and not qualitatively different from the hydrogen bombs currently in use. The only reason giant H-Bombs were never devised is because they're hard to deliver accurately, which North Korea probably wouldn't care about. So yeah, continuing to wag our fingers and pass resolutions at the UN is probably not an adequate response to the threat posed by North Korea. They need to be dealt with eventually.

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1/7/2016 11:41:07 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/7/2016 12:19:38 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
So apparently today (January 6th) North Korea "claims" to have tested a hydrogen bomb, corresponding to a magnitude 5.1 earthquake. According to some sources, the actual legitimacy of the test has been questioned (http://www.cnn.com...), but regardless the test actually received international condemnation, including by Russia and even China, North Korea's ally (http://news.xinhuanet.com...). An announcement on North Korean television said the country had successfully tested a "miniaturised hydrogen bomb" underground on Wednesday morning, describing it as an "act of self-defence" against the US., claiming that it was a "complete success". According to the Guardian, this was somewhat unexpected, despite Kim Jong-un's statement about possession of a hydrogen bomb on his New Year's address (http://www.theguardian.com...).

The consequences for this are obviously immense, and for those of you who are unaware this violates international law where NATO says "the test "undermines regional and international security, and is in clear breach of UN Security Council resolutions" (http://www.channelnewsasia.com...). And the UN added that further sanctions against North Korea are being heavily considered.

So, what do you guys think? Did I waste my time typing this? Is this a legitimate threat that could completely destabilize regional and possibly international security, or is Jong-un's claims completely fabricated and just waited for the right time after the announcement on New Year's (which happened to come 5 days later)? Should there be international retaliation against North Korea? Should we leave them alone? Discuss.

In my view regardless of the level of development of its nuclear programme north Korea clearly and openly is attempting to build a dangerous nuclear arsenal. In a different strategy to previous rogue states who have either played down or entirely denied the presence of dangerous weapons north Korea is bragging about and exadurating it's military capability to both intimidate enemies and help propaganda. Ultimately north Korea can only really be punished economically by China and unless China can be persuaded to distance itself from it there Is no sanctions that could be applied with any effects by the west. It's only option would be military action but it would be a costly process involving many deaths in the region and would need China's approval. Personally I would continue the current policies towards north Korea. It knows launching nuclear attacks will not benefit it so will be highly unlikely to do so unless threatened with military action.