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1/7/2016 1:01:33 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
Here we go again.

http://m.washingtontimes.com...
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When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

"If guns are the cause of crimes then aren't matches the cause of arson?" D. Boys

"If the death penalty is government sanctioned killing then isn't inprisonment is government sanction kidnapping?" D. B

"Why do you trust the government with machine guns but not honest citizens?" D. B

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1/7/2016 1:13:11 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/7/2016 1:01:33 AM, Maccabee wrote:
Here we go again.

http://m.washingtontimes.com...

surprised? we don't enforce existing laws so why not make more that won't or can't be enforced it's what the government does. As has been said so many times, none of the old or new proposed laws would have stopped any of the tragedies both sides accept and agree to that. So why make more? It's a foundation to allow government into our medical records and personal information which ties in nicely to Obama care. They want doctors to report if you are prescribed certain kinds of drugs to see if you should be allow to have or keep firearms. Those who want to get and keep them will not seek treatment for fear of the government learning they are receiving treatment. Funny thing is the mentally disturbed that commit crimes, I would bet 90% or more are NOT receiving treatment.
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1/7/2016 1:53:22 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/7/2016 1:13:11 AM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 1/7/2016 1:01:33 AM, Maccabee wrote:
Here we go again.

http://m.washingtontimes.com...

surprised? we don't enforce existing laws so why not make more that won't or can't be enforced it's what the government does. As has been said so many times, none of the old or new proposed laws would have stopped any of the tragedies both sides accept and agree to that. So why make more? It's a foundation to allow government into our medical records and personal information which ties in nicely to Obama care. They want doctors to report if you are prescribed certain kinds of drugs to see if you should be allow to have or keep firearms. Those who want to get and keep them will not seek treatment for fear of the government learning they are receiving treatment. Funny thing is the mentally disturbed that commit crimes, I would bet 90% or more are NOT receiving treatment.

Only tax laws are strictly enforced. You can get away with alot of stuff. Just ask Wylted.
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1/7/2016 2:17:48 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/7/2016 1:53:22 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/7/2016 1:13:11 AM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 1/7/2016 1:01:33 AM, Maccabee wrote:
Here we go again.

http://m.washingtontimes.com...

surprised? we don't enforce existing laws so why not make more that won't or can't be enforced it's what the government does. As has been said so many times, none of the old or new proposed laws would have stopped any of the tragedies both sides accept and agree to that. So why make more? It's a foundation to allow government into our medical records and personal information which ties in nicely to Obama care. They want doctors to report if you are prescribed certain kinds of drugs to see if you should be allow to have or keep firearms. Those who want to get and keep them will not seek treatment for fear of the government learning they are receiving treatment. Funny thing is the mentally disturbed that commit crimes, I would bet 90% or more are NOT receiving treatment.

Only tax laws are strictly enforced. You can get away with alot of stuff. Just ask Wylted.

great point, sad but true, I posted a link on a different topic where a woman purchased a gun for her felon bf in other state, he kills someone she get's 1 year probation for that straw purchase. bfd.
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1/7/2016 2:23:36 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/7/2016 2:17:48 AM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 1/7/2016 1:53:22 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/7/2016 1:13:11 AM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 1/7/2016 1:01:33 AM, Maccabee wrote:
Here we go again.

http://m.washingtontimes.com...

surprised? we don't enforce existing laws so why not make more that won't or can't be enforced it's what the government does. As has been said so many times, none of the old or new proposed laws would have stopped any of the tragedies both sides accept and agree to that. So why make more? It's a foundation to allow government into our medical records and personal information which ties in nicely to Obama care. They want doctors to report if you are prescribed certain kinds of drugs to see if you should be allow to have or keep firearms. Those who want to get and keep them will not seek treatment for fear of the government learning they are receiving treatment. Funny thing is the mentally disturbed that commit crimes, I would bet 90% or more are NOT receiving treatment.

Only tax laws are strictly enforced. You can get away with alot of stuff. Just ask Wylted.

great point, sad but true, I posted a link on a different topic where a woman purchased a gun for her felon bf in other state, he kills someone she get's 1 year probation for that straw purchase. bfd.
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Scripture, facts, stats, and logic is how I argue

Evolutionism is a religion, not science

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

"If guns are the cause of crimes then aren't matches the cause of arson?" D. Boys

"If the death penalty is government sanctioned killing then isn't inprisonment is government sanction kidnapping?" D. B

"Why do you trust the government with machine guns but not honest citizens?" D. B

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1/7/2016 2:23:54 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/7/2016 1:01:33 AM, Maccabee wrote:
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1/7/2016 1:50:37 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/7/2016 1:01:33 AM, Maccabee wrote:
Here we go again.

http://m.washingtontimes.com...

I am still waiting on Car control laws. These cars are getting out of control; rolling around just running people over; getting drunk t boning families of four; wrapping themselves around trees while speeding; and tossing babies through windshields.

"For God's Sake, THE BABIESSSS" *tears*

I think they got mad after we made hood ornaments illegal and started loading them down with airbags.
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1/7/2016 5:24:30 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/7/2016 1:50:37 PM, Robkwoods wrote:
At 1/7/2016 1:01:33 AM, Maccabee wrote:
Here we go again.

http://m.washingtontimes.com...

I am still waiting on Car control laws. These cars are getting out of control; rolling around just running people over; getting drunk t boning families of four; wrapping themselves around trees while speeding; and tossing babies through windshields.

"For God's Sake, THE BABIESSSS" *tears*

I think they got mad after we made hood ornaments illegal and started loading them down with airbags.

Wait, they made hood ornaments illegal? Come to think of it I don't see too many on cars.
Scripture, facts, stats, and logic is how I argue

Evolutionism is a religion, not science

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

"If guns are the cause of crimes then aren't matches the cause of arson?" D. Boys

"If the death penalty is government sanctioned killing then isn't inprisonment is government sanction kidnapping?" D. B

"Why do you trust the government with machine guns but not honest citizens?" D. B

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1/7/2016 5:29:04 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/7/2016 1:13:11 AM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 1/7/2016 1:01:33 AM, Maccabee wrote:
Here we go again.

http://m.washingtontimes.com...

surprised? we don't enforce existing laws so why not make more that won't or can't be enforced it's what the government does. As has been said so many times, none of the old or new proposed laws would have stopped any of the tragedies both sides accept and agree to that. So why make more? It's a foundation to allow government into our medical records and personal information which ties in nicely to Obama care. They want doctors to report if you are prescribed certain kinds of drugs to see if you should be allow to have or keep firearms. Those who want to get and keep them will not seek treatment for fear of the government learning they are receiving treatment. Funny thing is the mentally disturbed that commit crimes, I would bet 90% or more are NOT receiving treatment.

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1/7/2016 5:47:06 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/7/2016 5:24:30 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/7/2016 1:50:37 PM, Robkwoods wrote:
At 1/7/2016 1:01:33 AM, Maccabee wrote:
Here we go again.

http://m.washingtontimes.com...

I am still waiting on Car control laws. These cars are getting out of control; rolling around just running people over; getting drunk t boning families of four; wrapping themselves around trees while speeding; and tossing babies through windshields.

"For God's Sake, THE BABIESSSS" *tears*

I think they got mad after we made hood ornaments illegal and started loading them down with airbags.

Wait, they made hood ornaments illegal? Come to think of it I don't see too many on cars.

I think it is a state to state thing but pretty much. Apparently, it adds insult to injury when hitting a pedestrain if you also impale them.
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1/7/2016 7:26:13 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/7/2016 5:47:06 PM, Robkwoods wrote:
At 1/7/2016 5:24:30 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/7/2016 1:50:37 PM, Robkwoods wrote:
At 1/7/2016 1:01:33 AM, Maccabee wrote:
Here we go again.

http://m.washingtontimes.com...

I am still waiting on Car control laws. These cars are getting out of control; rolling around just running people over; getting drunk t boning families of four; wrapping themselves around trees while speeding; and tossing babies through windshields.

"For God's Sake, THE BABIESSSS" *tears*

I think they got mad after we made hood ornaments illegal and started loading them down with airbags.

Wait, they made hood ornaments illegal? Come to think of it I don't see too many on cars.

I think it is a state to state thing but pretty much. Apparently, it adds insult to injury when hitting a pedestrain if you also impale them.

yeah but only the car manufacturers are libel for those injuries, I mean you didn't design the car and put it on there right? Sure the person may have been drinking and driving or just decide to drive down a sidewalk full of people, but if someone gets injured because of the hood ornament well that's on the maker.
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1/7/2016 8:00:49 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/7/2016 7:26:13 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 1/7/2016 5:47:06 PM, Robkwoods wrote:
At 1/7/2016 5:24:30 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/7/2016 1:50:37 PM, Robkwoods wrote:
At 1/7/2016 1:01:33 AM, Maccabee wrote:
Here we go again.

http://m.washingtontimes.com...

I am still waiting on Car control laws. These cars are getting out of control; rolling around just running people over; getting drunk t boning families of four; wrapping themselves around trees while speeding; and tossing babies through windshields.

"For God's Sake, THE BABIESSSS" *tears*

I think they got mad after we made hood ornaments illegal and started loading them down with airbags.

Wait, they made hood ornaments illegal? Come to think of it I don't see too many on cars.

I think it is a state to state thing but pretty much. Apparently, it adds insult to injury when hitting a pedestrain if you also impale them.

yeah but only the car manufacturers are libel for those injuries, I mean you didn't design the car and put it on there right? Sure the person may have been drinking and driving or just decide to drive down a sidewalk full of people, but if someone gets injured because of the hood ornament well that's on the maker.

Exactly that makes perfect sense.
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1/7/2016 11:28:09 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Ah, the old "current laws don't work!!!11!1!!1!" response... It is no surprise to anyone that the poorly-designed gun control laws we currently have in place have failed. The primary reason for their failure is that they completely ignore the "private sales" loophole (which is how the majority of criminals get their guns). There are more effective policy proposals out there, however, and those are the ones which anti-gun people want implemented. I personally am a proponent of a ban on private sales, along with a mandatory gun registration policy (the latter makes the former possible to enforce). I also support treating gun ownership in general like we treat concealed-carry permits. "Typical license requirements include residency, minimum age, submitting fingerprints, passing a computerized instant background check (or a more comprehensive manual background check), attending a certified handgun/firearm safety class, passing a practical qualification demonstrating handgun proficiency, and paying a required fee." [https://en.wikipedia.org...].
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1/7/2016 11:37:54 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/7/2016 11:28:09 PM, spacetime wrote:
Ah, the old "current laws don't work!!!11!1!!1!" response... It is no surprise to anyone that the poorly-designed gun control laws we currently have in place have failed. The primary reason for their failure is that they completely ignore the "private sales" loophole (which is how the majority of criminals get their guns). There are more effective policy proposals out there, however, and those are the ones which anti-gun people want implemented. I personally am a proponent of a ban on private sales, along with a mandatory gun registration policy (the latter makes the former possible to enforce). I also support treating gun ownership in general like we treat concealed-carry permits. "Typical license requirements include residency, minimum age, submitting fingerprints, passing a computerized instant background check (or a more comprehensive manual background check), attending a certified handgun/firearm safety class, passing a practical qualification demonstrating handgun proficiency, and paying a required fee." [https://en.wikipedia.org...].

Don't know wher you get your info from but criminals mostly get there guns from either stealing it or from straw purchases. I guess this is where the debate starts.
Scripture, facts, stats, and logic is how I argue

Evolutionism is a religion, not science

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

"If guns are the cause of crimes then aren't matches the cause of arson?" D. Boys

"If the death penalty is government sanctioned killing then isn't inprisonment is government sanction kidnapping?" D. B

"Why do you trust the government with machine guns but not honest citizens?" D. B

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1/7/2016 11:40:38 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/7/2016 11:37:54 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/7/2016 11:28:09 PM, spacetime wrote:
Ah, the old "current laws don't work!!!11!1!!1!" response... It is no surprise to anyone that the poorly-designed gun control laws we currently have in place have failed. The primary reason for their failure is that they completely ignore the "private sales" loophole (which is how the majority of criminals get their guns). There are more effective policy proposals out there, however, and those are the ones which anti-gun people want implemented. I personally am a proponent of a ban on private sales, along with a mandatory gun registration policy (the latter makes the former possible to enforce). I also support treating gun ownership in general like we treat concealed-carry permits. "Typical license requirements include residency, minimum age, submitting fingerprints, passing a computerized instant background check (or a more comprehensive manual background check), attending a certified handgun/firearm safety class, passing a practical qualification demonstrating handgun proficiency, and paying a required fee." [https://en.wikipedia.org...].

Don't know wher you get your info from but criminals mostly get there guns from either stealing it or from straw purchases. I guess this is where the debate starts.

Straw purchases are a type of private sale...

Gun theft is a more difficult problem to tackle, however
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1/7/2016 11:48:45 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/7/2016 11:40:38 PM, spacetime wrote:
At 1/7/2016 11:37:54 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/7/2016 11:28:09 PM, spacetime wrote:
Ah, the old "current laws don't work!!!11!1!!1!" response... It is no surprise to anyone that the poorly-designed gun control laws we currently have in place have failed. The primary reason for their failure is that they completely ignore the "private sales" loophole (which is how the majority of criminals get their guns). There are more effective policy proposals out there, however, and those are the ones which anti-gun people want implemented. I personally am a proponent of a ban on private sales, along with a mandatory gun registration policy (the latter makes the former possible to enforce). I also support treating gun ownership in general like we treat concealed-carry permits. "Typical license requirements include residency, minimum age, submitting fingerprints, passing a computerized instant background check (or a more comprehensive manual background check), attending a certified handgun/firearm safety class, passing a practical qualification demonstrating handgun proficiency, and paying a required fee." [https://en.wikipedia.org...].

Don't know wher you get your info from but criminals mostly get there guns from either stealing it or from straw purchases. I guess this is where the debate starts.

Straw purchases are a type of private sale...

Gun theft is a more difficult problem to tackle, however

How your going to regulate straw purchases? Once the person buy the gun he can do pretty much anything without the government even knowing. He can lie on a form about why he is buying the gun you know.
Scripture, facts, stats, and logic is how I argue

Evolutionism is a religion, not science

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

"If guns are the cause of crimes then aren't matches the cause of arson?" D. Boys

"If the death penalty is government sanctioned killing then isn't inprisonment is government sanction kidnapping?" D. B

"Why do you trust the government with machine guns but not honest citizens?" D. B

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1/8/2016 12:02:21 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/7/2016 11:48:45 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/7/2016 11:40:38 PM, spacetime wrote:
At 1/7/2016 11:37:54 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/7/2016 11:28:09 PM, spacetime wrote:
Ah, the old "current laws don't work!!!11!1!!1!" response... It is no surprise to anyone that the poorly-designed gun control laws we currently have in place have failed. The primary reason for their failure is that they completely ignore the "private sales" loophole (which is how the majority of criminals get their guns). There are more effective policy proposals out there, however, and those are the ones which anti-gun people want implemented. I personally am a proponent of a ban on private sales, along with a mandatory gun registration policy (the latter makes the former possible to enforce). I also support treating gun ownership in general like we treat concealed-carry permits. "Typical license requirements include residency, minimum age, submitting fingerprints, passing a computerized instant background check (or a more comprehensive manual background check), attending a certified handgun/firearm safety class, passing a practical qualification demonstrating handgun proficiency, and paying a required fee." [https://en.wikipedia.org...].

Don't know wher you get your info from but criminals mostly get there guns from either stealing it or from straw purchases. I guess this is where the debate starts.

Straw purchases are a type of private sale...

Gun theft is a more difficult problem to tackle, however

How your going to regulate straw purchases? Once the person buy the gun he can do pretty much anything without the government even knowing. He can lie on a form about why he is buying the gun you know.

Gun registration requirements would make a lot of gun control laws way more enforceable. Registration enables the police to trace back any gun to its original owner, thus facilitating the detection of illegal transfers (private sales, gun theft, etc). If there are harsh enough punishments in place, then the frequency of such transfers will drastically decrease via deterrence.
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1/8/2016 12:20:11 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 12:02:21 AM, spacetime wrote:
At 1/7/2016 11:48:45 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/7/2016 11:40:38 PM, spacetime wrote:
At 1/7/2016 11:37:54 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/7/2016 11:28:09 PM, spacetime wrote:
Ah, the old "current laws don't work!!!11!1!!1!" response... It is no surprise to anyone that the poorly-designed gun control laws we currently have in place have failed. The primary reason for their failure is that they completely ignore the "private sales" loophole (which is how the majority of criminals get their guns). There are more effective policy proposals out there, however, and those are the ones which anti-gun people want implemented. I personally am a proponent of a ban on private sales, along with a mandatory gun registration policy (the latter makes the former possible to enforce). I also support treating gun ownership in general like we treat concealed-carry permits. "Typical license requirements include residency, minimum age, submitting fingerprints, passing a computerized instant background check (or a more comprehensive manual background check), attending a certified handgun/firearm safety class, passing a practical qualification demonstrating handgun proficiency, and paying a required fee." [https://en.wikipedia.org...].

Don't know wher you get your info from but criminals mostly get there guns from either stealing it or from straw purchases. I guess this is where the debate starts.

Straw purchases are a type of private sale...

Gun theft is a more difficult problem to tackle, however

How your going to regulate straw purchases? Once the person buy the gun he can do pretty much anything without the government even knowing. He can lie on a form about why he is buying the gun you know.

Gun registration requirements would make a lot of gun control laws way more enforceable. Registration enables the police to trace back any gun to its original owner, thus facilitating the detection of illegal transfers (private sales, gun theft, etc). If there are harsh enough punishments in place, then the frequency of such transfers will drastically decrease via deterrence.

Every dictator registrateded guns before confiscating them.
Scripture, facts, stats, and logic is how I argue

Evolutionism is a religion, not science

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

"If guns are the cause of crimes then aren't matches the cause of arson?" D. Boys

"If the death penalty is government sanctioned killing then isn't inprisonment is government sanction kidnapping?" D. B

"Why do you trust the government with machine guns but not honest citizens?" D. B

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1/8/2016 12:42:12 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 12:20:11 AM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/8/2016 12:02:21 AM, spacetime wrote:

Gun registration requirements would make a lot of gun control laws way more enforceable. Registration enables the police to trace back any gun to its original owner, thus facilitating the detection of illegal transfers (private sales, gun theft, etc). If there are harsh enough punishments in place, then the frequency of such transfers will drastically decrease via deterrence.

Every dictator registrateded guns before confiscating them.

Precisely.

What do you think Samuel Adams or Patrick Henry would have said if the King demanded they register all their weapons?
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1/8/2016 1:17:10 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 12:02:21 AM, spacetime wrote:
At 1/7/2016 11:48:45 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/7/2016 11:40:38 PM, spacetime wrote:
At 1/7/2016 11:37:54 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/7/2016 11:28:09 PM, spacetime wrote:
Ah, the old "current laws don't work!!!11!1!!1!" response... It is no surprise to anyone that the poorly-designed gun control laws we currently have in place have failed. The primary reason for their failure is that they completely ignore the "private sales" loophole (which is how the majority of criminals get their guns). There are more effective policy proposals out there, however, and those are the ones which anti-gun people want implemented. I personally am a proponent of a ban on private sales, along with a mandatory gun registration policy (the latter makes the former possible to enforce). I also support treating gun ownership in general like we treat concealed-carry permits. "Typical license requirements include residency, minimum age, submitting fingerprints, passing a computerized instant background check (or a more comprehensive manual background check), attending a certified handgun/firearm safety class, passing a practical qualification demonstrating handgun proficiency, and paying a required fee." [https://en.wikipedia.org...].

Don't know wher you get your info from but criminals mostly get there guns from either stealing it or from straw purchases. I guess this is where the debate starts.

Straw purchases are a type of private sale...

Gun theft is a more difficult problem to tackle, however

How your going to regulate straw purchases? Once the person buy the gun he can do pretty much anything without the government even knowing. He can lie on a form about why he is buying the gun you know.

Gun registration requirements would make a lot of gun control laws way more enforceable. Registration enables the police to trace back any gun to its original owner, thus facilitating the detection of illegal transfers (private sales, gun theft, etc). If there are harsh enough punishments in place, then the frequency of such transfers will drastically decrease via deterrence.

That's silly, the guy can just say he lost his gun and didn't know what happened to it, file a report saying it was lost/stolen. Later just give it to whoever. You can't win.
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1/8/2016 1:22:12 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 12:20:11 AM, Maccabee wrote:

Every dictator registrateded guns before confiscating them.

So let me get this straight. We have (1) the virtually non-existent possibility that the US government is going to turn tyrannous, and (2) an actual gun violence epidemic which claims thousands of lives per year. And you're prioritizing the first "problem" over the second?

That's fucked up.
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1/8/2016 1:34:11 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 1:22:12 AM, spacetime wrote:
At 1/8/2016 12:20:11 AM, Maccabee wrote:

Every dictator registrateded guns before confiscating them.

So let me get this straight. We have (1) the virtually non-existent possibility that the US government is going to turn tyrannous, and (2) an actual gun violence epidemic which claims thousands of lives per year. And you're prioritizing the first "problem" over the second?

That's messed up.

1. The government is encroaching on are rights everyday. Hitler didnt said to the Jews that he's going to kill them right off the bat.

2. The guy like someone else said can claim he lost it and file a report. Also most of the gun violence come from gun restrictive states. Also guns have been used in defense about a million times per year.
Scripture, facts, stats, and logic is how I argue

Evolutionism is a religion, not science

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

"If guns are the cause of crimes then aren't matches the cause of arson?" D. Boys

"If the death penalty is government sanctioned killing then isn't inprisonment is government sanction kidnapping?" D. B

"Why do you trust the government with machine guns but not honest citizens?" D. B

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1/8/2016 1:35:36 AM
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Oh one more point, mass shooters either got their guns legally because they haven't committed a crime before or they still it or get it from straw purchases.
Scripture, facts, stats, and logic is how I argue

Evolutionism is a religion, not science

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

"If guns are the cause of crimes then aren't matches the cause of arson?" D. Boys

"If the death penalty is government sanctioned killing then isn't inprisonment is government sanction kidnapping?" D. B

"Why do you trust the government with machine guns but not honest citizens?" D. B

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1/8/2016 1:41:40 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 1:17:10 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/8/2016 12:02:21 AM, spacetime wrote:

Gun registration requirements would make a lot of gun control laws way more enforceable. Registration enables the police to trace back any gun to its original owner, thus facilitating the detection of illegal transfers (private sales, gun theft, etc). If there are harsh enough punishments in place, then the frequency of such transfers will drastically decrease via deterrence.

That's silly, the guy can just say he lost his gun and didn't know what happened to it, file a report saying it was lost/stolen. Later just give it to whoever. You can't win.

Lol, you think it won't raise any eyebrows when an illegal gun dealer has to pull that tactic for every single gun they sell? No one "loses" that many guns per year. In order to avoid getting caught, they would have to limit how many guns they can illegally sell to a negligible amount. Furthermore, when a criminal is caught, they can get a slightly less harsh sentence for providing information about where they got their gun from (sort of like what happens when they sell out their accomplices). Registration is very effective in reducing the black-market for guns.
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1/8/2016 1:45:27 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 1:34:11 AM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/8/2016 1:22:12 AM, spacetime wrote:
At 1/8/2016 12:20:11 AM, Maccabee wrote:

Every dictator registrateded guns before confiscating them.

So let me get this straight. We have (1) the virtually non-existent possibility that the US government is going to turn tyrannous, and (2) an actual gun violence epidemic which claims thousands of lives per year. And you're prioritizing the first "problem" over the second?

That's fucked up.

1. The government is encroaching on are rights everyday. Hitler didnt said to the Jews that he's going to kill them right off the bat.

What drives people to be so irrationally paranoid is a complete mystery to me...


2. The guy like someone else said can claim he lost it and file a report. Also most of the gun violence come from gun restrictive states. Also guns have been used in defense about a million times per year.

Please stick to making only one bad argument at a time. I'm not taking the effort to full respond to all your blippy one-liners.
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1/8/2016 1:45:36 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 1:41:40 AM, spacetime wrote:
At 1/8/2016 1:17:10 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/8/2016 12:02:21 AM, spacetime wrote:

Gun registration requirements would make a lot of gun control laws way more enforceable. Registration enables the police to trace back any gun to its original owner, thus facilitating the detection of illegal transfers (private sales, gun theft, etc). If there are harsh enough punishments in place, then the frequency of such transfers will drastically decrease via deterrence.

That's silly, the guy can just say he lost his gun and didn't know what happened to it, file a report saying it was lost/stolen. Later just give it to whoever. You can't win.

Lol, you think it won't raise any eyebrows when an illegal gun dealer has to pull that tactic for every single gun they sell? No one "loses" that many guns per year. In order to avoid getting caught, they would have to limit how many guns they can illegally sell to a negligible amount. Furthermore, when a criminal is caught, they can get a slightly less harsh sentence for providing information about where they got their gun from (sort of like what happens when they sell out their accomplices). Registration is very effective in reducing the black-market for guns.

This is the likely scenario for a crazy murderer.
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1/8/2016 1:48:34 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
Crap I keep forgetting, guns make people crazy. Why we still have the 2nd amendment when this is a known clinical fact is preposterous.
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1/8/2016 1:51:22 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 1:48:34 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
Crap I keep forgetting, guns make people crazy. Why we still have the 2nd amendment when this is a known clinical fact is preposterous.

Forgot the factual link sorry.
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1/8/2016 2:03:20 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 1:45:27 AM, spacetime wrote:
At 1/8/2016 1:34:11 AM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/8/2016 1:22:12 AM, spacetime wrote:
At 1/8/2016 12:20:11 AM, Maccabee wrote:

Every dictator registrateded guns before confiscating them.

So let me get this straight. We have (1) the virtually non-existent possibility that the US government is going to turn tyrannous, and (2) an actual gun violence epidemic which claims thousands of lives per year. And you're prioritizing the first "problem" over the second?

That's fucked up.

1. The government is encroaching on are rights everyday. Hitler didnt said to the Jews that he's going to kill them right off the bat.

What drives people to be so irrationally paranoid is a complete mystery to me...

History. Those who don't learn from it...


2. The guy like someone else said can claim he lost it and file a report. Also most of the gun violence come from gun restrictive states. Also guns have been used in defense about a million times per year.

Please stick to making only one bad argument at a time. I'm not taking the effort to full respond to all your blippy one-liners.
Here's an article showing that guns are used in defense far more often than crimes.

http://www.guncite.com...

Also take a look at the stats and see which state has more crime per population.
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1/8/2016 2:06:13 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 1:48:34 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
Crap I keep forgetting, guns make people crazy. Why we still have the 2nd amendment when this is a known clinical fact is preposterous.

Lol @ your straw-manning. To be precise, the liberal position is that guns allow crazy people to cause way more damage than they otherwise could. Therefore, we should be taking measures to keep guns away from crazy people (and criminally-inclined people in general)
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