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1/10/2016 7:01:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Was this poll of 10 people from each party?

14% of Republicans would vote for Clinton? Lol. Lololol.
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1/10/2016 7:11:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

The split is not that bad, its 14% crossover for republicans and 20% for democrats. Now, I don't take any stock in this poll, or the prospects, but still.

Recent reading on the right wing sites I read, Trump is looking bad. I mean real bad. There is a lot of new negativity that I had not seen even two weeks ago. It has been said, and been wrong, a number of times, but Trump is not holding the support that it looks like.

At this point, I feel very comfortable in my bets that Trump does NOT get the nomination, and his chance in a general is moot.
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1/10/2016 7:13:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

I've been saying this for a while just based off of anecdotal evidence. Trump has immense cross-party appeal because he's actually done what every independent-minded voter has been begging the right to do for the last decade: drop the stupid social issues. Wow, the party is actually appealing again once they stop sounding like people at a Jim Jones rally? Who would have thought!

He's tapped into several populist veins of thought that have been pulsing just under the surface not only on the right, but in the center as well. The right is so trapped in its own echo chamber that they're having a conniption now that all of their carefully manufactured, constantly reinforced self-delusion about where the country is has collapsed around the establishment's ears. People used to watch the Republican debate because how completely out of touch the people were was amusing to them. Now, they watch it to see Trump bring reality into the 'safe space' that the right has constructed for itself.
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1/10/2016 7:13:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

Not to make too big a deal out of this, but seriously. The far base is starting their turn on Trump. He still has the best name recognition, and that is driving his numbers. He will not hold when Iowa and NH are done.

In fact, I am willing to go out a little further on a limb. After Iowa & NH, he drops to third.
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1/10/2016 7:21:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/10/2016 7:13:32 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

Not to make too big a deal out of this, but seriously. The far base is starting their turn on Trump. He still has the best name recognition, and that is driving his numbers. He will not hold when Iowa and NH are done.

In fact, I am willing to go out a little further on a limb. After Iowa & NH, he drops to third.

Not for nothing, but the left has conjectured that Trump is one move shy of failing since day 1. There's a reason "can't stump the Trump" became a meme.
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1/10/2016 7:26:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/10/2016 7:21:47 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 1/10/2016 7:13:32 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

Not to make too big a deal out of this, but seriously. The far base is starting their turn on Trump. He still has the best name recognition, and that is driving his numbers. He will not hold when Iowa and NH are done.

In fact, I am willing to go out a little further on a limb. After Iowa & NH, he drops to third.

Not for nothing, but the left has conjectured that Trump is one move shy of failing since day 1. There's a reason "can't stump the Trump" became a meme.

That is true, and acknowledged in my post. What I am saying is, the rabid base is not looking so rosy for him now.

We will see, and I will be counting my money when I win.
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1/10/2016 7:38:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/10/2016 7:13:08 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

I've been saying this for a while just based off of anecdotal evidence. Trump has immense cross-party appeal because he's actually done what every independent-minded voter has been begging the right to do for the last decade: drop the stupid social issues. Wow, the party is actually appealing again once they stop sounding like people at a Jim Jones rally? Who would have thought!

He's tapped into several populist veins of thought that have been pulsing just under the surface not only on the right, but in the center as well. The right is so trapped in its own echo chamber that they're having a conniption now that all of their carefully manufactured, constantly reinforced self-delusion about where the country is has collapsed around the establishment's ears. People used to watch the Republican debate because how completely out of touch the people were was amusing to them. Now, they watch it to see Trump bring reality into the 'safe space' that the right has constructed for itself.

So you're saying Trump has become the GOP's voice of reason?
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1/10/2016 7:43:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

Im willing to bet that almost all of those 20% are people whose parents registered them as democratic voters when they were republican as hell, meaning they were never real democrats in the first place.... Im listed as a republican for my voter information yet anyone who has known me for longer than 15 seconds knows im liberal as f***
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1/10/2016 7:45:55 PM
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At 1/10/2016 7:38:44 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 1/10/2016 7:13:08 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

I've been saying this for a while just based off of anecdotal evidence. Trump has immense cross-party appeal because he's actually done what every independent-minded voter has been begging the right to do for the last decade: drop the stupid social issues. Wow, the party is actually appealing again once they stop sounding like people at a Jim Jones rally? Who would have thought!

He's tapped into several populist veins of thought that have been pulsing just under the surface not only on the right, but in the center as well. The right is so trapped in its own echo chamber that they're having a conniption now that all of their carefully manufactured, constantly reinforced self-delusion about where the country is has collapsed around the establishment's ears. People used to watch the Republican debate because how completely out of touch the people were was amusing to them. Now, they watch it to see Trump bring reality into the 'safe space' that the right has constructed for itself.

So you're saying Trump has become the GOP's voice of reason?

No, he's definitely not a voice of reason. He's just someone screaming something different into an echo chamber, elements of which are true.
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1/10/2016 7:57:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/10/2016 7:43:54 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

Im willing to bet that almost all of those 20% are people whose parents registered them as democratic voters when they were republican as hell, meaning they were never real democrats in the first place.... Im listed as a republican for my voter information yet anyone who has known me for longer than 15 seconds knows im liberal as f***

Any cross-over appeal (it's not that strong really) is from name recognition and dissatisfaction with Clinton. The thought that I (or any liberal) is concerned with Trump as general election threat is... well, not getting it.

Know who I fear? Paul, Rubio and Cruze, in that order.
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1/10/2016 8:11:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/10/2016 7:57:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/10/2016 7:43:54 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

Im willing to bet that almost all of those 20% are people whose parents registered them as democratic voters when they were republican as hell, meaning they were never real democrats in the first place.... Im listed as a republican for my voter information yet anyone who has known me for longer than 15 seconds knows im liberal as f***

Any cross-over appeal (it's not that strong really) is from name recognition and dissatisfaction with Clinton. The thought that I (or any liberal) is concerned with Trump as general election threat is... well, not getting it.

Know who I fear? Paul, Rubio and Cruze, in that order.

Paul is doing so bad in the polls that he'll probably b one of the three people to drop out next. Cruz can only suction off support from Trump, but I agree with you that Rubio would be a huge challenge for Hillary
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1/10/2016 8:13:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/10/2016 7:57:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/10/2016 7:43:54 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

Im willing to bet that almost all of those 20% are people whose parents registered them as democratic voters when they were republican as hell, meaning they were never real democrats in the first place.... Im listed as a republican for my voter information yet anyone who has known me for longer than 15 seconds knows im liberal as f***

Any cross-over appeal (it's not that strong really) is from name recognition and dissatisfaction with Clinton. The thought that I (or any liberal) is concerned with Trump as general election threat is... well, not getting it.

Know who I fear? Paul, Rubio and Cruze, in that order.

Unless you mean as a general election threat, why would you ever fear Rubio more than Cruz? At least Rubio's not evil.
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1/10/2016 8:16:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/10/2016 8:13:25 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 1/10/2016 7:57:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/10/2016 7:43:54 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

Im willing to bet that almost all of those 20% are people whose parents registered them as democratic voters when they were republican as hell, meaning they were never real democrats in the first place.... Im listed as a republican for my voter information yet anyone who has known me for longer than 15 seconds knows im liberal as f***

Any cross-over appeal (it's not that strong really) is from name recognition and dissatisfaction with Clinton. The thought that I (or any liberal) is concerned with Trump as general election threat is... well, not getting it.

Know who I fear? Paul, Rubio and Cruze, in that order.

Unless you mean as a general election threat, why would you ever fear Rubio more than Cruz? At least Rubio's not evil.

I mean as a general election threat. I agree, Cruz would be a terror as a president, but that is not going to happen. Paul is not going to get the nomination either, so... But that is my order of threat in a general, yes.

Rubio, as imabench said, is a ligit threat to Clinton (or Sanders - not as much for sanders).
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1/10/2016 8:31:19 PM
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At 1/10/2016 8:13:25 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 1/10/2016 7:57:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/10/2016 7:43:54 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

Im willing to bet that almost all of those 20% are people whose parents registered them as democratic voters when they were republican as hell, meaning they were never real democrats in the first place.... Im listed as a republican for my voter information yet anyone who has known me for longer than 15 seconds knows im liberal as f***

Any cross-over appeal (it's not that strong really) is from name recognition and dissatisfaction with Clinton. The thought that I (or any liberal) is concerned with Trump as general election threat is... well, not getting it.

Know who I fear? Paul, Rubio and Cruze, in that order.

Unless you mean as a general election threat, why would you ever fear Rubio more than Cruz? At least Rubio's not evil.

I don't think that any candidate in the race right now can be called genuinely evil.
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1/10/2016 8:32:40 PM
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At 1/10/2016 8:12:29 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
That's not too surprising. Many of Trump's policies are actually fairly liberal.

Other than his protectionist policies, which may appeal to Union people, I don't see how his policies are Liberal in any way.
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1/10/2016 8:41:56 PM
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At 1/10/2016 8:32:40 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 1/10/2016 8:12:29 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
That's not too surprising. Many of Trump's policies are actually fairly liberal.

Other than his protectionist policies, which may appeal to Union people, I don't see how his policies are Liberal in any way.

Tax increases and universal health care.
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1/10/2016 8:45:44 PM
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At 1/10/2016 8:41:56 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 1/10/2016 8:32:40 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 1/10/2016 8:12:29 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
That's not too surprising. Many of Trump's policies are actually fairly liberal.

Other than his protectionist policies, which may appeal to Union people, I don't see how his policies are Liberal in any way.

Tax increases and universal health care.

Progressive or general tax increase?
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1/10/2016 8:51:28 PM
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At 1/10/2016 8:45:44 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 1/10/2016 8:41:56 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 1/10/2016 8:32:40 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 1/10/2016 8:12:29 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
That's not too surprising. Many of Trump's policies are actually fairly liberal.

Other than his protectionist policies, which may appeal to Union people, I don't see how his policies are Liberal in any way.

Tax increases and universal health care.

Progressive or general tax increase?

I'd have to check. I know he favors a progressive tax in general.
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1/10/2016 9:09:01 PM
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At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

That's not surprising since 37% of democrats are racists.

https://newrepublic.com...
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1/10/2016 9:19:51 PM
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At 1/10/2016 9:09:01 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

That's not surprising since 37% of democrats are racists.

https://newrepublic.com...

Agreeing with the statement mentioned in the article does not necessarily equate to racism.
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1/10/2016 9:20:48 PM
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At 1/10/2016 9:19:51 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 1/10/2016 9:09:01 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

That's not surprising since 37% of democrats are racists.

https://newrepublic.com...

Agreeing with the statement mentioned in the article does not necessarily equate to racism.

Racially insensitive, whatever the term you want.
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1/10/2016 9:25:49 PM
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At 1/10/2016 6:43:11 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
I just bought a few airplane tickets to Europe, so i'm good.

Off to rape some German ladies?
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1/10/2016 9:33:25 PM
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At 1/10/2016 9:20:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/10/2016 9:19:51 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 1/10/2016 9:09:01 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

That's not surprising since 37% of democrats are racists.

https://newrepublic.com...

Agreeing with the statement mentioned in the article does not necessarily equate to racism.

Racially insensitive, whatever the term you want.

The difference is, the majority of Democrats are not proud of minority of our party that are racists.
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1/10/2016 10:06:34 PM
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At 1/10/2016 9:33:25 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/10/2016 9:20:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/10/2016 9:19:51 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 1/10/2016 9:09:01 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

That's not surprising since 37% of democrats are racists.

https://newrepublic.com...

Agreeing with the statement mentioned in the article does not necessarily equate to racism.

Racially insensitive, whatever the term you want.

The difference is, the majority of Democrats are not proud of minority of our party that are racists.

You'll be even less proud if they vote for Trump.
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1/10/2016 10:59:06 PM
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At 1/10/2016 10:06:34 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/10/2016 9:33:25 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/10/2016 9:20:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/10/2016 9:19:51 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 1/10/2016 9:09:01 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

That's not surprising since 37% of democrats are racists.

https://newrepublic.com...

Agreeing with the statement mentioned in the article does not necessarily equate to racism.

Racially insensitive, whatever the term you want.

The difference is, the majority of Democrats are not proud of minority of our party that are racists.

You'll be even less proud if they vote for Trump.

They are not voting Trump, but sure, I would not be proud of that. This is an article that shows a 14/20 split in crossover votes in a poll. Wow, I am impressed. Please....
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1/11/2016 12:52:07 AM
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It's a big deal because a 6% crossover equates to a 12% additional difference in votes, and you only need around 50%
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1/11/2016 12:52:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/10/2016 7:26:08 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/10/2016 7:21:47 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 1/10/2016 7:13:32 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/10/2016 6:20:00 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
http://thehill.com...

Not to make too big a deal out of this, but seriously. The far base is starting their turn on Trump. He still has the best name recognition, and that is driving his numbers. He will not hold when Iowa and NH are done.

In fact, I am willing to go out a little further on a limb. After Iowa & NH, he drops to third.

Not for nothing, but the left has conjectured that Trump is one move shy of failing since day 1. There's a reason "can't stump the Trump" became a meme.

That is true, and acknowledged in my post. What I am saying is, the rabid base is not looking so rosy for him now.

We will see, and I will be counting my money when I win.

From what I've seen, his poll numbers aren't dropping. Why do you think his support is waning?
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