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1/13/2016 11:10:43 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
I'm sure those in support of gun rights and pro life was asked this from time to time. Here's why I'm for gun rights but against abortion (this could get hectic mixing two topics in one thread). I'm for gun rights because it give the individual the right to protect him/herself from an attacker. It gives the innocent the chance to preserve the innocent. Whether it be themselves or someone else. Why I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.
Scripture, facts, stats, and logic is how I argue

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When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

"If guns are the cause of crimes then aren't matches the cause of arson?" D. Boys

"If the death penalty is government sanctioned killing then isn't inprisonment is government sanction kidnapping?" D. B

"Why do you trust the government with machine guns but not honest citizens?" D. B

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1/13/2016 11:16:50 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/13/2016 11:10:43 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I'm sure those in support of gun rights and pro life was asked this from time to time. Here's why I'm for gun rights but against abortion (this could get hectic mixing two topics in one thread). I'm for gun rights because it give the individual the right to protect him/herself from an attacker. It gives the innocent the chance to preserve the innocent. Whether it be themselves or someone else. Why I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

What a trainwreck. Want to take another swing at this post?
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1/13/2016 11:23:09 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/13/2016 11:10:43 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I'm sure those in support of gun rights and pro life was asked this from time to time. Here's why I'm for gun rights but against abortion (this could get hectic mixing two topics in one thread). I'm for gun rights because it give the individual the right to protect him/herself from an attacker. It gives the innocent the chance to preserve the innocent. Whether it be themselves or someone else. Why I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

Not hectic at all.

The right to keep and bear arms is predicated on the right to self defense and the defense of other innocent lives.

While, abortions deny and take innocent lives.

The choice to support the right to keep and bear and to oppose abortions is really no more complicated than that.

Good job!
"Sooner or later, the Supreme Court of the Unites States is going to have explain how a 'child in the womb' is a person enough to be recognized as a MURDER victim under our fetal homicide laws but how they are not persons enough to qualify for any other Constitutional protections" ~ Chuz Life

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1/13/2016 11:25:28 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/13/2016 11:16:50 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:10:43 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I'm sure those in support of gun rights and pro life was asked this from time to time. Here's why I'm for gun rights but against abortion (this could get hectic mixing two topics in one thread). I'm for gun rights because it give the individual the right to protect him/herself from an attacker. It gives the innocent the chance to preserve the innocent. Whether it be themselves or someone else. Why I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

What a trainwreck. Want to take another swing at this post?

Why its a train wreck?
Scripture, facts, stats, and logic is how I argue

Evolutionism is a religion, not science

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

"If guns are the cause of crimes then aren't matches the cause of arson?" D. Boys

"If the death penalty is government sanctioned killing then isn't inprisonment is government sanction kidnapping?" D. B

"Why do you trust the government with machine guns but not honest citizens?" D. B

All those who are pro-death (abortion) is already born
Maccabee
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1/13/2016 11:26:43 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/13/2016 11:23:09 PM, Chuz-Life wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:10:43 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I'm sure those in support of gun rights and pro life was asked this from time to time. Here's why I'm for gun rights but against abortion (this could get hectic mixing two topics in one thread). I'm for gun rights because it give the individual the right to protect him/herself from an attacker. It gives the innocent the chance to preserve the innocent. Whether it be themselves or someone else. Why I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

Not hectic at all.

Yet, but thanks anyway.

The right to keep and bear arms is predicated on the right to self defense and the defense of other innocent lives.

While, abortions deny and take innocent lives.

The choice to support the right to keep and bear and to oppose abortions is really no more complicated than that.

Good job!

Couldn't agree more.
Scripture, facts, stats, and logic is how I argue

Evolutionism is a religion, not science

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

"If guns are the cause of crimes then aren't matches the cause of arson?" D. Boys

"If the death penalty is government sanctioned killing then isn't inprisonment is government sanction kidnapping?" D. B

"Why do you trust the government with machine guns but not honest citizens?" D. B

All those who are pro-death (abortion) is already born
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1/13/2016 11:30:06 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/13/2016 11:16:50 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:10:43 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I'm sure those in support of gun rights and pro life was asked this from time to time. Here's why I'm for gun rights but against abortion (this could get hectic mixing two topics in one thread). I'm for gun rights because it give the individual the right to protect him/herself from an attacker. It gives the innocent the chance to preserve the innocent. Whether it be themselves or someone else. Why I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

What a trainwreck. Want to take another swing at this post?

i laughed my a** off reading this you have no idea XD
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1/13/2016 11:35:44 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/13/2016 11:30:06 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:16:50 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:10:43 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I'm sure those in support of gun rights and pro life was asked this from time to time. Here's why I'm for gun rights but against abortion (this could get hectic mixing two topics in one thread). I'm for gun rights because it give the individual the right to protect him/herself from an attacker. It gives the innocent the chance to preserve the innocent. Whether it be themselves or someone else. Why I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

What a trainwreck. Want to take another swing at this post?

i laughed my a** off reading this you have no idea XD
Me or TBR? I'm thinking you're talking about TBR.
Scripture, facts, stats, and logic is how I argue

Evolutionism is a religion, not science

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

"If guns are the cause of crimes then aren't matches the cause of arson?" D. Boys

"If the death penalty is government sanctioned killing then isn't inprisonment is government sanction kidnapping?" D. B

"Why do you trust the government with machine guns but not honest citizens?" D. B

All those who are pro-death (abortion) is already born
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1/13/2016 11:38:57 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/13/2016 11:35:44 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:30:06 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:16:50 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:10:43 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I'm sure those in support of gun rights and pro life was asked this from time to time. Here's why I'm for gun rights but against abortion (this could get hectic mixing two topics in one thread). I'm for gun rights because it give the individual the right to protect him/herself from an attacker. It gives the innocent the chance to preserve the innocent. Whether it be themselves or someone else. Why I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

What a trainwreck. Want to take another swing at this post?

i laughed my a** off reading this you have no idea XD
Me or TBR? I'm thinking you're talking about TBR.

Im laughing at you genius
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1/13/2016 11:43:51 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/13/2016 11:10:43 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I'm sure those in support of gun rights and pro life was asked this from time to time. Here's why I'm for gun rights but against abortion (this could get hectic mixing two topics in one thread). I'm for gun rights because it give the individual the right to protect him/herself from an attacker. It gives the innocent the chance to preserve the innocent. Whether it be themselves or someone else. Why I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

I think it is fine.
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1/13/2016 11:46:17 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/13/2016 11:35:44 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:30:06 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:16:50 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:10:43 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I'm sure those in support of gun rights and pro life was asked this from time to time. Here's why I'm for gun rights but against abortion (this could get hectic mixing two topics in one thread). I'm for gun rights because it give the individual the right to protect him/herself from an attacker. It gives the innocent the chance to preserve the innocent. Whether it be themselves or someone else. Why I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

What a trainwreck. Want to take another swing at this post?

i laughed my a** off reading this you have no idea XD
Me or TBR? I'm thinking you're talking about TBR.

If I may, I would like to advise you against feeding the trolls.
"Sooner or later, the Supreme Court of the Unites States is going to have explain how a 'child in the womb' is a person enough to be recognized as a MURDER victim under our fetal homicide laws but how they are not persons enough to qualify for any other Constitutional protections" ~ Chuz Life

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1/13/2016 11:54:05 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/13/2016 11:46:17 PM, Chuz-Life wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:35:44 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:30:06 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:16:50 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:10:43 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I'm sure those in support of gun rights and pro life was asked this from time to time. Here's why I'm for gun rights but against abortion (this could get hectic mixing two topics in one thread). I'm for gun rights because it give the individual the right to protect him/herself from an attacker. It gives the innocent the chance to preserve the innocent. Whether it be themselves or someone else. Why I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

What a trainwreck. Want to take another swing at this post?

i laughed my a** off reading this you have no idea XD
Me or TBR? I'm thinking you're talking about TBR.

If I may, I would like to advise you against feeding the trolls.

lol, says the troll.

"there is no reason to believe that a Hitlary Klinton administration would not try to finish what the Obummer fvckups began."
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1/14/2016 12:01:35 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/13/2016 11:54:05 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:46:17 PM, Chuz-Life wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:35:44 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:30:06 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:16:50 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:10:43 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I'm sure those in support of gun rights and pro life was asked this from time to time. Here's why I'm for gun rights but against abortion (this could get hectic mixing two topics in one thread). I'm for gun rights because it give the individual the right to protect him/herself from an attacker. It gives the innocent the chance to preserve the innocent. Whether it be themselves or someone else. Why I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

What a trainwreck. Want to take another swing at this post?

i laughed my a** off reading this you have no idea XD
Me or TBR? I'm thinking you're talking about TBR.

If I may, I would like to advise you against feeding the trolls.

lol, says the troll.

"there is no reason to believe that a Hitlary Klinton administration would not try to finish what the Obummer fvckups began."

If you felt trolled by my lack of respect for those administrations on display in that post, then you took it the wrong way. A troll would not have brought anything reasonable to that conversation as I did by raising the issue of incrementalism.

Comparably, what of any reasonable value are YOU bringing to this thread?

Not a damn thing at all.

And that is what makes YOU the troll.
"Sooner or later, the Supreme Court of the Unites States is going to have explain how a 'child in the womb' is a person enough to be recognized as a MURDER victim under our fetal homicide laws but how they are not persons enough to qualify for any other Constitutional protections" ~ Chuz Life

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1/14/2016 12:04:06 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/14/2016 12:01:35 AM, Chuz-Life wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:54:05 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:46:17 PM, Chuz-Life wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:35:44 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:30:06 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:16:50 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:10:43 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I'm sure those in support of gun rights and pro life was asked this from time to time. Here's why I'm for gun rights but against abortion (this could get hectic mixing two topics in one thread). I'm for gun rights because it give the individual the right to protect him/herself from an attacker. It gives the innocent the chance to preserve the innocent. Whether it be themselves or someone else. Why I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

What a trainwreck. Want to take another swing at this post?

i laughed my a** off reading this you have no idea XD
Me or TBR? I'm thinking you're talking about TBR.

If I may, I would like to advise you against feeding the trolls.

lol, says the troll.

"there is no reason to believe that a Hitlary Klinton administration would not try to finish what the Obummer fvckups began."

If you felt trolled by my lack of respect for those administrations on display in that post, then you took it the wrong way. A troll would not have brought anything reasonable to that conversation as I did by raising the issue of incrementalism.

Comparably, what of any reasonable value are YOU bringing to this thread?

Not a damn thing at all.

And that is what makes YOU the troll.

What we are attempting to bring is some level of communication skills. You both seem very lacking in this discipline and since we are on a forum, that is somewhat important.
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1/14/2016 12:08:20 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
Mac If youre wondering why im laughing at you let me go ahead and break it down for you in language you might understand

I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

1) A woman being forced to carry a baby she does not want to have kinda makes HER the victim when she cannot abort it. There is always a 'victim' in the abortion issue with a mother and the embryo, whereas a self-defense argument regarding gun rights is not the same.

2) Being against abortion will mean that people who really want an abortion will just have one illegally, which is far more dangerous and far more likely to kill the mother in the process, which is something you were against.

3) Forcing a mother to keep a child she does not want to have will 'hurt her' way more then having an abortion in so many more ways than she would be 'hurt' in getting an abortion
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7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

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1/14/2016 12:08:30 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/14/2016 12:04:06 AM, TBR wrote:
At 1/14/2016 12:01:35 AM, Chuz-Life wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:54:05 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:46:17 PM, Chuz-Life wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:35:44 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:30:06 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:16:50 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:10:43 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I'm sure those in support of gun rights and pro life was asked this from time to time. Here's why I'm for gun rights but against abortion (this could get hectic mixing two topics in one thread). I'm for gun rights because it give the individual the right to protect him/herself from an attacker. It gives the innocent the chance to preserve the innocent. Whether it be themselves or someone else. Why I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

What a trainwreck. Want to take another swing at this post?

i laughed my a** off reading this you have no idea XD
Me or TBR? I'm thinking you're talking about TBR.

If I may, I would like to advise you against feeding the trolls.

lol, says the troll.

"there is no reason to believe that a Hitlary Klinton administration would not try to finish what the Obummer fvckups began."

If you felt trolled by my lack of respect for those administrations on display in that post, then you took it the wrong way. A troll would not have brought anything reasonable to that conversation as I did by raising the issue of incrementalism.

Comparably, what of any reasonable value are YOU bringing to this thread?

Not a damn thing at all.

And that is what makes YOU the troll.

What we are attempting to bring is some level of communication skills. You both seem very lacking in this discipline and since we are on a forum, that is somewhat important.

Then use you superior communications skills to actually address the topic and in doing so, you will elevate yourself above self appointed forum cop and common troll.
"Sooner or later, the Supreme Court of the Unites States is going to have explain how a 'child in the womb' is a person enough to be recognized as a MURDER victim under our fetal homicide laws but how they are not persons enough to qualify for any other Constitutional protections" ~ Chuz Life

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1/14/2016 12:09:08 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/13/2016 11:54:05 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:46:17 PM, Chuz-Life wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:35:44 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:30:06 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:16:50 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:10:43 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I'm sure those in support of gun rights and pro life was asked this from time to time. Here's why I'm for gun rights but against abortion (this could get hectic mixing two topics in one thread). I'm for gun rights because it give the individual the right to protect him/herself from an attacker. It gives the innocent the chance to preserve the innocent. Whether it be themselves or someone else. Why I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

What a trainwreck. Want to take another swing at this post?

i laughed my a** off reading this you have no idea XD
Me or TBR? I'm thinking you're talking about TBR.

If I may, I would like to advise you against feeding the trolls.

lol, says the troll.

"there is no reason to believe that a Hitlary Klinton administration would not try to finish what the Obummer fvckups began."

So you are trolling here, sense at least the first guy gave reasons to his claim you guys are just bashing it and not saying how it is bad.
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1/14/2016 12:09:25 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/14/2016 12:01:35 AM, Chuz-Life wrote:

Comparably, what of any reasonable value are YOU bringing to this thread?

I just contributed something reasonable to this thread, troll :)
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1/14/2016 12:12:51 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/14/2016 12:08:30 AM, Chuz-Life wrote:
At 1/14/2016 12:04:06 AM, TBR wrote:
At 1/14/2016 12:01:35 AM, Chuz-Life wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:54:05 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:46:17 PM, Chuz-Life wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:35:44 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:30:06 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:16:50 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:10:43 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I'm sure those in support of gun rights and pro life was asked this from time to time. Here's why I'm for gun rights but against abortion (this could get hectic mixing two topics in one thread). I'm for gun rights because it give the individual the right to protect him/herself from an attacker. It gives the innocent the chance to preserve the innocent. Whether it be themselves or someone else. Why I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

What a trainwreck. Want to take another swing at this post?

i laughed my a** off reading this you have no idea XD
Me or TBR? I'm thinking you're talking about TBR.

If I may, I would like to advise you against feeding the trolls.

lol, says the troll.

"there is no reason to believe that a Hitlary Klinton administration would not try to finish what the Obummer fvckups began."

If you felt trolled by my lack of respect for those administrations on display in that post, then you took it the wrong way. A troll would not have brought anything reasonable to that conversation as I did by raising the issue of incrementalism.

Comparably, what of any reasonable value are YOU bringing to this thread?

Not a damn thing at all.

And that is what makes YOU the troll.

What we are attempting to bring is some level of communication skills. You both seem very lacking in this discipline and since we are on a forum, that is somewhat important.

Then use you superior communications skills to actually address the topic and in doing so, you will elevate yourself above self appointed forum cop and common troll.

With you? I don't know. With zingers like Obummer, I think you may be out of my league. I don't debate with teens or adults with the mentality of a teen.
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1/14/2016 12:13:56 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/14/2016 12:09:25 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/14/2016 12:01:35 AM, Chuz-Life wrote:

Comparably, what of any reasonable value are YOU bringing to this thread?

I just contributed something reasonable to this thread, troll :)

Not until you were called on your trolling, you didn't.

Troll.
"Sooner or later, the Supreme Court of the Unites States is going to have explain how a 'child in the womb' is a person enough to be recognized as a MURDER victim under our fetal homicide laws but how they are not persons enough to qualify for any other Constitutional protections" ~ Chuz Life

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1/14/2016 12:14:15 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/14/2016 12:08:20 AM, imabench wrote:
Mac If youre wondering why im laughing at you let me go ahead and break it down for you in language you might understand

I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

1) A woman being forced to carry a baby she does not want to have kinda makes HER the victim when she cannot abort it. There is always a 'victim' in the abortion issue with a mother and the embryo, whereas a self-defense argument regarding gun rights is not the same.

2) Being against abortion will mean that people who really want an abortion will just have one illegally, which is far more dangerous and far more likely to kill the mother in the process, which is something you were against.

3) Forcing a mother to keep a child she does not want to have will 'hurt her' way more then having an abortion in so many more ways than she would be 'hurt' in getting an abortion

It is the mothers fault for having the baby in the first place, if she could not have afforded to bring life into this world then she should have used the organ called gasp our brain, also my comment that was posted a couple minutes ago was made before you made before Insaw this post. Sex is meant to bring life into our world, it is not meant to only be fir pleasure. Sure it does have pleasure to it but it was never meant to only be that.

I know that may happen but I stand by what I said and I stand by my values and morals. I see poor who are alive and they are happy to be alive. I stand by my stance and the republican party on this stance. You have your values I have mine.

She does not have to keep it, there is a thing called wait for it gasp adopting babies. Shock mind blown.
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1/14/2016 12:15:13 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/14/2016 12:13:56 AM, Chuz-Life wrote:
At 1/14/2016 12:09:25 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/14/2016 12:01:35 AM, Chuz-Life wrote:

Comparably, what of any reasonable value are YOU bringing to this thread?

I just contributed something reasonable to this thread, troll :)

Not until you were called on your trolling, you didn't.

Troll.

I was typing that up while you made your accusation, and you still have failed to contribute anything to the thread yourself, troll XDDD
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1/14/2016 12:16:56 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/14/2016 12:09:08 AM, stargate wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:54:05 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:46:17 PM, Chuz-Life wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:35:44 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:30:06 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:16:50 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:10:43 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I'm sure those in support of gun rights and pro life was asked this from time to time. Here's why I'm for gun rights but against abortion (this could get hectic mixing two topics in one thread). I'm for gun rights because it give the individual the right to protect him/herself from an attacker. It gives the innocent the chance to preserve the innocent. Whether it be themselves or someone else. Why I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

What a trainwreck. Want to take another swing at this post?

i laughed my a** off reading this you have no idea XD
Me or TBR? I'm thinking you're talking about TBR.

If I may, I would like to advise you against feeding the trolls.

lol, says the troll.

"there is no reason to believe that a Hitlary Klinton administration would not try to finish what the Obummer fvckups began."

So you are trolling here, sense at least the first guy gave reasons to his claim you guys are just bashing it and not saying how it is bad.

See post number 14, I was typing up a response to Mac's OP after my initial post while Chuz decided to go full troll in this thread and others in the politics forum
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1/14/2016 12:18:22 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/14/2016 12:16:56 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/14/2016 12:09:08 AM, stargate wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:54:05 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:46:17 PM, Chuz-Life wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:35:44 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:30:06 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:16:50 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/13/2016 11:10:43 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I'm sure those in support of gun rights and pro life was asked this from time to time. Here's why I'm for gun rights but against abortion (this could get hectic mixing two topics in one thread). I'm for gun rights because it give the individual the right to protect him/herself from an attacker. It gives the innocent the chance to preserve the innocent. Whether it be themselves or someone else. Why I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

What a trainwreck. Want to take another swing at this post?

i laughed my a** off reading this you have no idea XD
Me or TBR? I'm thinking you're talking about TBR.

If I may, I would like to advise you against feeding the trolls.

lol, says the troll.

"there is no reason to believe that a Hitlary Klinton administration would not try to finish what the Obummer fvckups began."

So you are trolling here, sense at least the first guy gave reasons to his claim you guys are just bashing it and not saying how it is bad.

See post number 14, I was typing up a response to Mac's OP after my initial post while Chuz decided to go full troll in this thread and others in the politics forum

Yeah I saw after I posted it.
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1/14/2016 12:26:09 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/14/2016 12:14:15 AM, stargate wrote:
At 1/14/2016 12:08:20 AM, imabench wrote:
Mac If youre wondering why im laughing at you let me go ahead and break it down for you in language you might understand

I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

1) A woman being forced to carry a baby she does not want to have kinda makes HER the victim when she cannot abort it. There is always a 'victim' in the abortion issue with a mother and the embryo, whereas a self-defense argument regarding gun rights is not the same.

2) Being against abortion will mean that people who really want an abortion will just have one illegally, which is far more dangerous and far more likely to kill the mother in the process, which is something you were against.

3) Forcing a mother to keep a child she does not want to have will 'hurt her' way more then having an abortion in so many more ways than she would be 'hurt' in getting an abortion

It is the mothers fault for having the baby in the first place,

Just for future reference, ^ this will be the sentence I will point to as the start for where I lost any and all ability to take you seriously.

She does not have to keep it, there is a thing called wait for it gasp adopting babies. Shock mind blown.

You do realize that 1) not all people up for adoption get adopted, 2) being in a foster home is usually terrible for the child, 3) the mother is still way over her head in medical bills from having the baby in a hospital, 4) the mother would still have to go through the physical pain if giving birth and the burden of carrying the child in the womb for several months before getting rid of the baby, which would for the most part be avoided with an abortion.

Also dont use 'shock mind blown' after saying something kind of ignorant because it only makes you look extra ignorant when someone deconstructs your 'mind blowing' post
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1/14/2016 12:28:16 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/14/2016 12:08:20 AM, imabench wrote:
Mac If youre wondering why im laughing at you let me go ahead and break it down for you in language you might understand

I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

1) A woman being forced to carry a baby she does not want to have kinda makes HER the victim when she cannot abort it. There is always a 'victim' in the abortion issue with a mother and the embryo, whereas a self-defense argument regarding gun rights is not the same.

So inconvience trumps right to life?

2) Being against abortion will mean that people who really want an abortion will just have one illegally, which is far more dangerous and far more likely to kill the mother in the process, which is something you were against.

Or they can put it up for adoption. They shouldn't have abortions anyway.

3) Forcing a mother to keep a child she does not want to have will 'hurt her' way more then having an abortion in so many more ways than she would be 'hurt' in getting an abortion

This says otherwise.

http://www.mccl.org...
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1/14/2016 12:30:43 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/14/2016 12:26:09 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/14/2016 12:14:15 AM, stargate wrote:
At 1/14/2016 12:08:20 AM, imabench wrote:
Mac If youre wondering why im laughing at you let me go ahead and break it down for you in language you might understand

I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

1) A woman being forced to carry a baby she does not want to have kinda makes HER the victim when she cannot abort it. There is always a 'victim' in the abortion issue with a mother and the embryo, whereas a self-defense argument regarding gun rights is not the same.

2) Being against abortion will mean that people who really want an abortion will just have one illegally, which is far more dangerous and far more likely to kill the mother in the process, which is something you were against.

3) Forcing a mother to keep a child she does not want to have will 'hurt her' way more then having an abortion in so many more ways than she would be 'hurt' in getting an abortion

It is the mothers fault for having the baby in the first place,

Just for future reference, ^ this will be the sentence I will point to as the start for where I lost any and all ability to take you seriously.

She does not have to keep it, there is a thing called wait for it gasp adopting babies. Shock mind blown.

You do realize that 1) not all people up for adoption get adopted, 2) being in a foster home is usually terrible for the child, 3) the mother is still way over her head in medical bills from having the baby in a hospital, 4) the mother would still have to go through the physical pain if giving birth and the burden of carrying the child in the womb for several months before getting rid of the baby, which would for the most part be avoided with an abortion.

Also dont use 'shock mind blown' after saying something kind of ignorant because it only makes you look extra ignorant when someone deconstructs your 'mind blowing' post

I understand why you do nit like that I used it due ti many talking about abortion never bring it up or avoid the topic all together. Plus I am simply not ina good mood and did as more of a joke and to stess adopting rather then a jab at you.
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1/14/2016 12:33:22 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/14/2016 12:26:09 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/14/2016 12:14:15 AM, stargate wrote:
At 1/14/2016 12:08:20 AM, imabench wrote:
Mac If youre wondering why im laughing at you let me go ahead and break it down for you in language you might understand

I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

1) A woman being forced to carry a baby she does not want to have kinda makes HER the victim when she cannot abort it. There is always a 'victim' in the abortion issue with a mother and the embryo, whereas a self-defense argument regarding gun rights is not the same.

2) Being against abortion will mean that people who really want an abortion will just have one illegally, which is far more dangerous and far more likely to kill the mother in the process, which is something you were against.

3) Forcing a mother to keep a child she does not want to have will 'hurt her' way more then having an abortion in so many more ways than she would be 'hurt' in getting an abortion

It is the mothers fault for having the baby in the first place,

Just for future reference, ^ this will be the sentence I will point to as the start for where I lost any and all ability to take you seriously.

She does not have to keep it, there is a thing called wait for it gasp adopting babies. Shock mind blown.

You do realize that 1) not all people up for adoption get adopted, 2) being in a foster home is usually terrible for the child, 3) the mother is still way over her head in medical bills from having the baby in a hospital, 4) the mother would still have to go through the physical pain if giving birth and the burden of carrying the child in the womb for several months before getting rid of the baby, which would for the most part be avoided with an abortion.

Also dont use 'shock mind blown' after saying something kind of ignorant because it only makes you look extra ignorant when someone deconstructs your 'mind blowing' post

The fact is it is a option, they should have know what would happen before hand, I support life and unless they where raped witch I doubt then they should not be allowed to get abortions. They should have though about what could happen.
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1/14/2016 12:34:00 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/14/2016 12:28:16 AM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/14/2016 12:08:20 AM, imabench wrote:
Mac If youre wondering why im laughing at you let me go ahead and break it down for you in language you might understand

I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

1) A woman being forced to carry a baby she does not want to have kinda makes HER the victim when she cannot abort it. There is always a 'victim' in the abortion issue with a mother and the embryo, whereas a self-defense argument regarding gun rights is not the same.

So inconvience trumps right to life?

The woman has a right to protect her body, at any cost to anything that is using it counter to her will. Same basis for you having the right to shoot someone who attacks your body. Make sense?


2) Being against abortion will mean that people who really want an abortion will just have one illegally, which is far more dangerous and far more likely to kill the mother in the process, which is something you were against.

Or they can put it up for adoption. They shouldn't have abortions anyway.

At ~1 million abortions in the us per year, and only 100k completed adoptions per year in the US, AND a surplus of childeren in the adoption system - adoption is not the solution pro-life seems to think it is.


3) Forcing a mother to keep a child she does not want to have will 'hurt her' way more then having an abortion in so many more ways than she would be 'hurt' in getting an abortion

This says otherwise.

This? This link? Yea, try to bring some credibility and we can talk, OK?



http://www.mccl.org...
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1/14/2016 12:34:49 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/14/2016 12:28:16 AM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/14/2016 12:08:20 AM, imabench wrote:
Mac If youre wondering why im laughing at you let me go ahead and break it down for you in language you might understand

I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

1) A woman being forced to carry a baby she does not want to have kinda makes HER the victim when she cannot abort it. There is always a 'victim' in the abortion issue with a mother and the embryo, whereas a self-defense argument regarding gun rights is not the same.

So inconvience trumps right to life?

Being forced to have a child you do not want or might not be even able to raise is more than just an 'inconvenience'.

2) Being against abortion will mean that people who really want an abortion will just have one illegally, which is far more dangerous and far more likely to kill the mother in the process, which is something you were against.

Or they can put it up for adoption. They shouldn't have abortions anyway.

I already explained in a previous post why the adoption idea is an equally stupid way to justify banning abortion

3) Forcing a mother to keep a child she does not want to have will 'hurt her' way more then having an abortion in so many more ways than she would be 'hurt' in getting an abortion

This says otherwise.

http://www.mccl.org...

I said that it hurts MORE then an abortion, not that an abortion is completely harmless.... Learn to read what a person actually says rather than what you simply WANT them to say
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1/14/2016 12:38:16 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/14/2016 12:33:22 AM, stargate wrote:
At 1/14/2016 12:26:09 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/14/2016 12:14:15 AM, stargate wrote:
At 1/14/2016 12:08:20 AM, imabench wrote:
Mac If youre wondering why im laughing at you let me go ahead and break it down for you in language you might understand

I'm against abortion is because its porposely killing the innocent and harming the mother and sometimes killing her.

1) A woman being forced to carry a baby she does not want to have kinda makes HER the victim when she cannot abort it. There is always a 'victim' in the abortion issue with a mother and the embryo, whereas a self-defense argument regarding gun rights is not the same.

2) Being against abortion will mean that people who really want an abortion will just have one illegally, which is far more dangerous and far more likely to kill the mother in the process, which is something you were against.

3) Forcing a mother to keep a child she does not want to have will 'hurt her' way more then having an abortion in so many more ways than she would be 'hurt' in getting an abortion

It is the mothers fault for having the baby in the first place,

Just for future reference, ^ this will be the sentence I will point to as the start for where I lost any and all ability to take you seriously.

She does not have to keep it, there is a thing called wait for it gasp adopting babies. Shock mind blown.

You do realize that 1) not all people up for adoption get adopted, 2) being in a foster home is usually terrible for the child, 3) the mother is still way over her head in medical bills from having the baby in a hospital, 4) the mother would still have to go through the physical pain if giving birth and the burden of carrying the child in the womb for several months before getting rid of the baby, which would for the most part be avoided with an abortion.

Also dont use 'shock mind blown' after saying something kind of ignorant because it only makes you look extra ignorant when someone deconstructs your 'mind blowing' post

The fact is it is a option,

You literally just ignored everything i posted about why adoption is so bad of an option in the first place that its not even viable to pursue that youre just repeating your own beliefs.

I support life and unless they where raped

So you do think a woman shouldnt have to keep a child she didnt want. good to know
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