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Do you muslims have ruined multiculturalism?

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1/15/2016 6:02:36 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/15/2016 5:58:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Have muslims ruined multiculturalism for all others?

Why or why not?

Yea, I think I can get behind this.
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1/15/2016 6:03:37 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/15/2016 6:02:36 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/15/2016 5:58:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Have muslims ruined multiculturalism for all others?

Why or why not?

Yea, I think I can get behind this.

why do you think so?
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1/15/2016 6:05:38 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/15/2016 6:03:37 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:02:36 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/15/2016 5:58:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Have muslims ruined multiculturalism for all others?

Why or why not?

Yea, I think I can get behind this.

why do you think so?

Even I am weary of defending a culture I despise.
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1/15/2016 6:10:20 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/15/2016 6:05:38 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:03:37 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:02:36 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/15/2016 5:58:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Have muslims ruined multiculturalism for all others?

Why or why not?

Yea, I think I can get behind this.

why do you think so?

Even I am weary of defending a culture I despise.

No I mean, do you think they ruined multiculturalism for others? There is a lot of anti-immigration sentiment so I'm wondering whether you think muslims have given multiculturalism a bad name.
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1/15/2016 6:13:49 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/15/2016 6:10:20 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:05:38 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:03:37 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:02:36 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/15/2016 5:58:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Have muslims ruined multiculturalism for all others?

Why or why not?

Yea, I think I can get behind this.

why do you think so?

Even I am weary of defending a culture I despise.

No I mean, do you think they ruined multiculturalism for others? There is a lot of anti-immigration sentiment so I'm wondering whether you think muslims have given multiculturalism a bad name.

I do. Asking people to be "tolerant" of just about anything now sounds like some sort of love of the Mooslums to some. The very idea that any part of their culture could be positive is lost at this point.
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1/15/2016 6:14:38 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/15/2016 6:13:49 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:10:20 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:05:38 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:03:37 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:02:36 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/15/2016 5:58:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Have muslims ruined multiculturalism for all others?

Why or why not?

Yea, I think I can get behind this.

why do you think so?

Even I am weary of defending a culture I despise.

No I mean, do you think they ruined multiculturalism for others? There is a lot of anti-immigration sentiment so I'm wondering whether you think muslims have given multiculturalism a bad name.

I do. Asking people to be "tolerant" of just about anything now sounds like some sort of love of the Mooslums to some. The very idea that any part of their culture could be positive is lost at this point.

I agree. Sadly, most so called "progressives" still try to defend their "regressive" culture
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1/15/2016 6:18:23 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
It seems every day that goes by it becomes harder and harder to pretend that Islam and the West aren't wholly incompatible.
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1/15/2016 7:23:19 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/15/2016 6:18:23 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
It seems every day that goes by it becomes harder and harder to pretend that Islam and the West aren't wholly incompatible.

+1
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1/15/2016 7:27:54 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/15/2016 5:58:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Have muslims ruined multiculturalism for all others?

Why or why not?

No, muslims are a diverse range of people, if you want to know who really destroys the greatness of multiculturalism look to the fascist dogs.
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1/15/2016 7:55:49 PM
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Multiculturalism was never a viable doctrine in the first place, so no, it wasn't "ruined" by Muslims. Muslims did however demonstrate how mind-numbingly stupid the multicultis/diversophiles really are for the whole world to see.
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1/16/2016 2:48:50 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/15/2016 5:58:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Have muslims ruined multiculturalism for all others?

Why or why not?

- Multiculturalism isn't meant for people who think & act like you. Have 'Christians' ruined multiculturalism for everybody?! Have 'Asians' ruined multiculturalism for everybody? Have 'Blacks' ruined multiculturalism for everybody? Have 'Westerners' ruined multiculturalism for everybody?!
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1/16/2016 2:50:09 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/15/2016 6:05:38 PM, TBR wrote:

Even I am weary of defending a culture I despise.

- Of course, bigotry tends to stand in the way of that.
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1/16/2016 2:56:41 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/16/2016 2:48:50 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 1/15/2016 5:58:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Have muslims ruined multiculturalism for all others?

Why or why not?

- Multiculturalism isn't meant for people who think & act like you. Have 'Christians' ruined multiculturalism for everybody?! Have 'Asians' ruined multiculturalism for everybody? Have 'Blacks' ruined multiculturalism for everybody? Have 'Westerners' ruined multiculturalism for everybody?!

None of the people you mention have ruined it. They have co-existed well for the most part. Blacks and Whites have skirmishes now and then, but it's not a cultural thing, its racial issue going on for hundreds of years.
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1/16/2016 2:56:52 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/16/2016 2:50:09 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:05:38 PM, TBR wrote:

Even I am weary of defending a culture I despise.

- Of course, bigotry tends to stand in the way of that.

Yassine - you do very little to improve the general impression of Muslims.
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1/16/2016 3:00:14 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/15/2016 5:58:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Have muslims ruined multiculturalism for all others?

Why or why not?

Of course not. Part of multi-culturalism is inclusion, not to pick and choose what cultures are considered "desirable". And this sentiment is nothing new. The same cultures that people were perfectly fine coexisting with in North America today were the exact same cultures that were slandered, ridiculed and smothered with intolerance, like the Irish, Italians and First Nations.
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1/16/2016 3:02:16 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/16/2016 3:00:14 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/15/2016 5:58:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Have muslims ruined multiculturalism for all others?

Why or why not?

Of course not. Part of multi-culturalism is inclusion, not to pick and choose what cultures are considered "desirable". And this sentiment is nothing new. The same cultures that people were perfectly fine coexisting with in North America today were the exact same cultures that were slandered, ridiculed and smothered with intolerance, like the Irish, Italians and First Nations.

Yes, and that precisely why it's not working for some groups.
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1/16/2016 3:02:55 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/16/2016 2:56:41 AM, tajshar2k wrote:

None of the people you mention have ruined it.

- Oh! Really?! So, Asian muslims, Black muslims, Western muslims, haven't ruined it. What other type of Muslims have then?

They have co-existed well for the most part.

- Christians & Muslims coexisted in the Middle East for over 14 centuries.

Blacks and Whites have skirmishes now and then, but it's not a cultural thing, its racial issue going on for hundreds of years.

- You better NOT mention your history here. I just know so much of it. Historically speaking, Multiculturalism in the West is almost an oxymoron.
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1/16/2016 3:03:02 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/15/2016 6:10:20 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:05:38 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:03:37 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:02:36 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/15/2016 5:58:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Have muslims ruined multiculturalism for all others?

Why or why not?

Yea, I think I can get behind this.

why do you think so?

Even I am weary of defending a culture I despise.

No I mean, do you think they ruined multiculturalism for others? There is a lot of anti-immigration sentiment so I'm wondering whether you think muslims have given multiculturalism a bad name.

Victim blaming right here. If xenophobic tensions arise in a country, blame the xenophones, not the immigrants. Imagine if I blamed the Jews for being persecuted during the holocaust, that would make me no better than anti semites themselves.
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1/16/2016 3:03:39 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/16/2016 2:56:52 AM, TBR wrote:

Yassine - you do very little to improve the general impression of Muslims.

- Only a clueless bigot says something absurdly general like that.
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1/16/2016 3:04:34 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/16/2016 3:02:16 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/16/2016 3:00:14 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/15/2016 5:58:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Have muslims ruined multiculturalism for all others?

Why or why not?

Of course not. Part of multi-culturalism is inclusion, not to pick and choose what cultures are considered "desirable". And this sentiment is nothing new. The same cultures that people were perfectly fine coexisting with in North America today were the exact same cultures that were slandered, ridiculed and smothered with intolerance, like the Irish, Italians and First Nations.

Yes, and that precisely why it's not working for some groups.

Except that all of the groups I mentioned previously had eventually integrated into the country. How often do you see people slandering Irish immigrants? This exclusive view of immigration is nothing new, as stated previously
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1/16/2016 3:06:12 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/15/2016 6:18:23 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
It seems every day that goes by it becomes harder and harder to pretend that Islam and the West aren't wholly incompatible.

That was the same mentality used to justify the usage of residential schools, that two cultures are inherently "incompatible" so one group must be forced the assimilate.
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1/16/2016 3:06:35 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/16/2016 3:03:02 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:10:20 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:05:38 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:03:37 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:02:36 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/15/2016 5:58:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Have muslims ruined multiculturalism for all others?

Why or why not?

Yea, I think I can get behind this.

why do you think so?

Even I am weary of defending a culture I despise.

No I mean, do you think they ruined multiculturalism for others? There is a lot of anti-immigration sentiment so I'm wondering whether you think muslims have given multiculturalism a bad name.

Victim blaming right here. If xenophobic tensions arise in a country, blame the xenophones, not the immigrants. Imagine if I blamed the Jews for being persecuted during the holocaust, that would make me no better than anti semites themselves.

Why would you blame Jews for being persecuted in the holocaust? They were persecuted for the just existing. Most people are not going around and saying we need to kill muslims just for being muslims. There's a difference.
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1/16/2016 3:07:17 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/16/2016 3:04:34 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/16/2016 3:02:16 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/16/2016 3:00:14 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/15/2016 5:58:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Have muslims ruined multiculturalism for all others?

Why or why not?

Of course not. Part of multi-culturalism is inclusion, not to pick and choose what cultures are considered "desirable". And this sentiment is nothing new. The same cultures that people were perfectly fine coexisting with in North America today were the exact same cultures that were slandered, ridiculed and smothered with intolerance, like the Irish, Italians and First Nations.

Yes, and that precisely why it's not working for some groups.

Except that all of the groups I mentioned previously had eventually integrated into the country. How often do you see people slandering Irish immigrants? This exclusive view of immigration is nothing new, as stated previously

How long do you think it would take for muslims to integrate?
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1/16/2016 3:08:38 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/16/2016 3:03:39 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 1/16/2016 2:56:52 AM, TBR wrote:

Yassine - you do very little to improve the general impression of Muslims.

- Only a clueless bigot says something absurdly general like that.

Right on Yassine, right on.

How about you tell me how much i "Loooove" Israel again you tool.
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1/16/2016 3:09:36 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/16/2016 3:06:35 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/16/2016 3:03:02 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:10:20 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:05:38 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:03:37 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/15/2016 6:02:36 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/15/2016 5:58:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Have muslims ruined multiculturalism for all others?

Why or why not?

Yea, I think I can get behind this.

why do you think so?

Even I am weary of defending a culture I despise.

No I mean, do you think they ruined multiculturalism for others? There is a lot of anti-immigration sentiment so I'm wondering whether you think muslims have given multiculturalism a bad name.

Victim blaming right here. If xenophobic tensions arise in a country, blame the xenophones, not the immigrants. Imagine if I blamed the Jews for being persecuted during the holocaust, that would make me no better than anti semites themselves.

Why would you blame Jews for being persecuted in the holocaust?

Exactly! Then why would you blame immigrants for the rise of xenophobia.

They were persecuted for the just existing. Most people are not going around and saying we need to kill muslims just for being muslims.

The rhetoric that Muslims should be forced to wear ID cards and that immigrants should be barred from the country is gaining considerable traction. Intolerance towards muslims in the west is existent and is growing.

There's a difference.

The degree of extremeity may be different, but the general mentality was not. To blame a persecuted group for being persecuted is regarded as victim blaming.
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1/16/2016 3:11:35 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/16/2016 3:08:38 AM, TBR wrote:

Right on Yassine, right on.

- Indeed.

How about you tell me how much i "Loooove" Israel again you tool.

- My mistake. I might've assumed wrong.
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1/16/2016 3:11:52 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/16/2016 3:07:17 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/16/2016 3:04:34 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/16/2016 3:02:16 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 1/16/2016 3:00:14 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/15/2016 5:58:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Have muslims ruined multiculturalism for all others?

Why or why not?

Of course not. Part of multi-culturalism is inclusion, not to pick and choose what cultures are considered "desirable". And this sentiment is nothing new. The same cultures that people were perfectly fine coexisting with in North America today were the exact same cultures that were slandered, ridiculed and smothered with intolerance, like the Irish, Italians and First Nations.

Yes, and that precisely why it's not working for some groups.

Except that all of the groups I mentioned previously had eventually integrated into the country. How often do you see people slandering Irish immigrants? This exclusive view of immigration is nothing new, as stated previously

How long do you think it would take for muslims to integrate?

Most Muslims in North America have integrated pretty well, it's only become problematic in Europe due to the refugee crisis and the rise of anti-immigrant parties.

If you're intolerant to a certain group, then don't expect them to integrate peacefully, they will only insulate themselves as a result, making the problem worse.
"Praise Allah."
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1/16/2016 3:12:03 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/15/2016 7:27:54 PM, komododragon8 wrote:
At 1/15/2016 5:58:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
Have muslims ruined multiculturalism for all others?

Why or why not?

No, muslims are a diverse range of people, if you want to know who really destroys the greatness of multiculturalism look to the fascist dogs.

Exactly!
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1/16/2016 3:17:16 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/16/2016 3:11:35 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 1/16/2016 3:08:38 AM, TBR wrote:

Right on Yassine, right on.

- Indeed.

How about you tell me how much i "Loooove" Israel again you tool.

- My mistake. I might've assumed wrong.

You spoke out you're a$$, and speaking of being bigoted, I think you should look to your own words in that thread.

I have no interest in going twenty rounds with you in this thread or any others at this time.

I will say, and close with, reiterating what I said above. Everything related to Islam I have seen from you reinforced my dislike for the religion and its followers. Good work.